/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.5007458]

Is it true, /ck/? Is eating unhealthy really cheaper than eating healthy?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/healthy-eating-adds-2k-a-year-to-family-grocery-bill-1.2452451

[Anonymous No.5007464]

Yes

[Anonymous No.5007468]

I probably couldn't get those things in that infograph for <$20 at ny Wal-Mart.

[Anonymous No.5007470]

>>5007468

That's because there is no NY walmart.

[Anonymous No.5007472]

>>5007464
>$10.01 tip
Is this picture having a giggle?

[Anonymous No.5007477]

picture doesn't factor in time spent cooking and cost of fuel as an expense. that is why it will fail every time

[Anonymous No.5007479]

>diet rich in fruits, vegetables, fish, and nuts

Implies that it is a healthier diet. Fruits and nuts are overrated, and there are plenty of cheap vegetables and fish.

[Anonymous No.5007483]

>>5007472

>tipping less than 100%

reported

[Anonymous No.5007484]

>>5007477
Does this mean that fat activists have a point when they say that eating junk is more cost-effective?

[Anonymous No.5007486]

>>5007458
Hell, cut out all the meat and replace them with rice and veggies and that $20 could go a lot farther. (Poorfag who misses meat but has to pay them vet bills)

[Anonymous No.5007488]

>>5007472
Of course it's having a giggle, you bollicks, it's making fun of OP's picture

[Anonymous No.5007489]

>>5007470
*my

Faggot.

[None !OPIATE9fy. No.5007490]

the grocery store prices are always fucked on these like it's the 80's and the fast food is always the most expensive thing on the menu instead of getting one of the deals or dollar menu stuff

[Anonymous No.5007492]

>>5007484
it absolutely is more cost effective
time is money and when you are poor as fuck you don't have time to do anything other than work and shovel what ever food you can find into your face in the few minutes of down time you might get.
3 70 cent been burritos from tacobell a day kept me alive for months

[Anonymous No.5007498]

It depends.

Eating unhealthy is cheaper in the short run since it tends to be premade food. Factor convenience into your cost for one dinner and it's less expensive to order a pizza than go to the store and get all the ingredients to make something.

In the long run costs drop. Learning to cook is something that takes time, for example. Spices and bulk items cost a decent amount of money up front but usually last weeks or even months. Pre making all your food relieves the stress of making something from scratch after work. And of course eating healthier makes you less likely to go to the hospital later in life due to being a fatass.

It's all a matter of perspective and priorities.

[Anonymous No.5007499]

>>5007492
But making lentil soup takes like an hour and it can last you a week and it's much, much cheaper than $3.70/day

[Anonymous No.5007502]

>>5007499
I'll make sure to do that on the stove I don't own

[Anonymous No.5007562]

>>5007502
Thats the fucked up thing with many food stamp programs.

"no precooked food allowed"

Good luck mr homeless.

[Anonymous No.5007576]

>>5007562
That's the idea. If you want this freebee we gotta fuck you a little bit. Kind of a little nudge nudge to be a little less of a sponge.

[Anonymous No.5007582]

>>5007499
>3 x .70 = 3.70
But yeah you're right.

[Anonymous No.5007632]

>>5007472

No, you should totally be able to find a chicken for 37 cents and a mutton sleeve for 3.

[Anonymous No.5007637]

>>5007458
>implying those things on the bottom are healthy

[Anonymous No.5007726]

Or you could get four pepperoni pizzas from Lil' Caesar's

Or ~15 McDoubles

[Anonymous No.5007749]

>>5007562
Many states provide alternate programs for homeless people that allow you to buy precooked food.

[Anonymous No.5007766]

bullshit tbh, the bottom of that infograph is just inaccurately priced random components of a meal. only thing that can be paired is crackers and peanut butter (and why would a person buy a 2-sleeved box of ~*~kashi~*~ crackers if they could get a 4-sleeved box of generic for $1.99?). not that i'm advising going to domino's instead, but shitty frozen dinners often are cheaper in bulk and have applicable coupons.

also a million factors are never considered with these "studies"; time and effort to cook, proper equipment (lacking a working fridge/freezer/stove/oven is not uncommon), living in a 'food desert' where wal-mart is your only grocer miles away, etc.

[Anonymous No.5007773]

These are always terrible.

It IS cheaper to cook healthily up to a POINT.

For example, you could get 5lb of potatoes and 3lb of chicken, plus milk and a bit of whatever veggie you like. Peanut butter too. Lasts you a week.

Not "the best" but certainly not as bad as fast food.

In the "no kitchen" scenario, you need to put down the $5 for a crock pot from goodwill and make everything in that.

Problem is you have to trade off.

it won't taste good without putting down money for spices or extras.
you can't cook it without putting down money for the crock pot.
it's not "easy" if you can't do it in a crock pot, takes much more time (actively cooking)

there are trades.

[Anonymous No.5007778]

>>5007773
oh and maybe you don't want to just eat peanut butter for lunch every day, but that's really the best option in terms of the health/cash/time trade off.

people really don't want to just eat spoonfuls of peanut butter for meals. I get that.

[Anonymous No.5007908]

>>5007486
Get cheap meat and use it in stews and soups and it can go a long way. I usually use 1lb ground pork in a bowl of chili or split pea soup and it lasts ~3 days. Only cost $2 for the meat, so not too bad.

[Anonymous No.5007916]

>>5007773
>it won't taste good without putting down money for spices or extras.
You can get a gallon of hot sauce for $7, should last months, even with heavy use. Plus once you're done you an maybe hobo booze in the glass jug.

[Anonymous No.5007922]

>>5007458
>http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/healthy-eating-adds-2k-a-year-to-family-grocery-bill-1.2452451

All I read here is, "BAWWW! Healthy food is expensive!"

Healthy food is not expensive at all. Healthy food is normally priced. It is everything else that is higher or lower than it that is the problem.

[Anonymous No.5007934]

>>5007773
>it won't taste good without putting down money for spices or extras.

If a bottle of say, basil costs $5 and you only use a teaspoon per meal, how much are you really spending per meal? A few cents?

These are relatively tiny investments for large payoffs in the long run.

[Anonymous No.5007946]

>>5007934
Basil comes in bottles where you are? How does that work? Is it a concentrate or purée or something?
I buy it in bags or just pick it from the yard when the season is right.

[Anonymous No.5007952]

>>5007946

Not that guy, but you can get dried basil in jars in the US. Where I live the fresh herbs in the store have a sign that says "no food stamps" or something like that. So I gather people on food stamps have to buy the jarred stuff, or just grow their own.

[Anonymous No.5007957]

>>5007458
>unhealthy really cheaper than eating healthy

This country has a bad problem with labeling food since everything is healthy in small quantities. No one tells you to eat the entire pizza

[Anonymous No.5007961]

I now eat food exclusively cooked at home. I also have a large garden every year and raise chickens for meat and eggs. I have on hand, about 700-800 jars (1/4 pint, 1/2 pint, pint, quart, and half gallon) of home grown and home cooked meals year round as well as about 150lbs of potatoes and carrots, and several bushels of apples (2,000lbs of produce grown on my property this year).

When I buy food, I think about large quantities and things I don't grow, trade, or hunt.

The last time I went to the grocery store to buy food (2 weeks ago) I was buying both food and seeds. This was in the form of beans/peas mostly. I bought stuff like whole wheat flour, spices/herbs I don't grow, dry beans/peas (navy, kidney, red, pink, black, white, blackeye pea, large lima, small lima, etc), pecans, walnuts, nut mix in the shell, etc. I trade some of my produce and home canned products to get local raw milk for cheese making, yogurt making, and butter making. I also trade for deer meat.

I can whip up a batch of stew large enough for about 80 meals that only costs about $10-$20 in groceries if I bought it all. All the kitchen equipment I use has paid for itself many times over in savings before I became a farmer.

Take this image for instance. Only 3 items I grew or traded for (beef, potatoes, and squash), the rest was store bought. It made 5.5 gallons of vegetable soup. That's 88, eight ounce servings for about $15 of the most expensive varieties of produce the local store sells. Had I bought everything, you'd add about $8 more ($23 or $0.26 per serving). I paid $0.17 per serving after savings.

[Anonymous No.5007966]

>>5007946
Where I live in the USA you either grow it or buy it dried in bottles. The dry stuff looks like this. It is the same for thyme, oregano, cumin (powdered), and just about anything else you can think of.

[Anonymous No.5007965]

>>5007961
Look at all those beautiful vegetables reduced to colorless sludge.

[Anonymous No.5007969]

>>5007458

>Among food groups, meats and protein showed the highest price difference and cost about 29 cents more per serving.

I think part of the problem here is that they're matching the "healthy" food with the "unhealthy" one for one in servings. That is to say, matching a pound of heat-n-eat hungry man turey or whatever with a pound of fresh turkey breast. In reality, if you want to eat healthy and cheap you should make the expensive portions (usually meat) a small part of your meal and pair it with healthy, cheap sides like cooked veggies, potatoes, etc.

[Anonymous No.5007971]

>>5007965
Looks fairly colorful to me. Open the thumbnail. Most store bought canned foods are treated to keep it from loosing color. Normally, citric acid it used.

[Anonymous No.5007974]

>>5007961
>ulu guy

IT'S HIM!

[Anonymous No.5007979]

>>5007484
>fat activists

dude what?

There are plenty of fat apologists but I don't think anyone actively promotes being fat.

[Anonymous No.5007982]

>>5007957
It's kind of a stupid image. Eating out is more expensive than making your own food? Color me shocked! I love to see how all that healthy food compares to $20 of instant ramen, or canned beef stew. Hell, show me how much pizza you can make with that money if you're making it from scratch

[Anonymous No.5007984]

>>5007969
Yeah, the real problem is they are calling a hunk of meat a serving and pricing it as such instead of using a smaller amount of meat with vegetables and pricing it as a whole. So, they are like "$15 for a package of meat I'll eat in 3 meals!!!" instead of seeing it as 25-50 meals divided up with a varied dish.

[Anonymous No.5007986]

>>5007979

[Anonymous No.5007988]

>>5007974
?

[Anonymous No.5007990]

>>5007986
I can't tell if this image is a joke or not

[Anonymous No.5007992]

>>5007979
The fat acceptance movement and fat agenda are actually a thing. It goes by many names, one being "fat activist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement

[Anonymous No.5007993]

>>5007990
It's not

[Anonymous No.5007995]

>>5007990
It isn't. This is the source website: http://www.nearsightedowl.com/

How long can you last browsing it?

[Anonymous No.5008000]

>>5007995
I think I'll pass, I'm in a good mood. Don't want to spoil it.

[Anonymous No.5008003]

>>5008000
Good call.

[Anonymous No.5008745]

>>5007984
I disagree

[Anonymous No.5008759]

>>5008000
Blurb:
>I'm Rachele. Feminist, fat activist, cat mama, trying to be an author, and hair teaser. This is my honest life as a fat bitch with a belief that anything can be thrifted and that all bodies are good.

It isn't even funny

[Anonymous No.5008762]

>>5008759

[Anonymous No.5008785]

Eating healthy is cheap.
Eating healthy and even moderately tasty is expensive like hell.

It's easy and cheap to whip out some salad, or eat some kinds of flakes or such. It's healthy, it's as nutritious as nutritional science says it should be, and it tastes like cardboard seasoned with sawdust.

As soon as you try some quality cooking you're getting into specialty ingredients, organic veggies, healthy substitutes, expensive cuts of meat, and your savings go out through the window.

[Anonymous No.5008790]

>>5008785
you're just not good at cooking/you have a child's palate

[Anonymous No.5008792]

>>5008785
I think this is more a case of you being bad at cooking, using bad recipes, or having bad tastes.
It is very easy to make healthy things taste good, but just throwing spinach in a bowl and calling it a day is not the correct route.

Now wilt it with some garlic on the otherhand...

[Anonymous No.5008793]

For most people eating healthier simply requires eating less. Less food is always cheaper. Thus eating healthy is cheaper.

[Anonymous No.5008809]

>>5007458
All those foods listed below the Dominos food are laced and filled with Chemicals and other Scientific Junk. This isn't Europe where we can just get our vegetables from the open air market in Lyons.

We actually have to drive to the Farmer's Market or wherever and this is the fundamental problem with this. If you don't live in a major metropolitan city. You have to drive 1 mile or more to get to a store.

[Anonymous No.5008812]

Can't you spend like, $5 at Wendy's/McDonald's and feed a family of 5?

[Anonymous No.5008820]

>>5008809

There is an open air farmer's market within 1 mile of every Frenchman's home?

[Anonymous No.5008822]

>>5008809
Northern New Castle county reporting in

[Anonymous No.5008824]

>>5008820
>or more

[Anonymous No.5008839]

>>5008762
I looked at that image for a solid minute, just wondering how this is a thing. I can understand the top, it's easy. But the bottom. wtf does it look like with no one in it? Is it just a really tight pair of short shorts that are really tall, or what?

[Anonymous No.5008845]

>>5008839
High waisted bikini bottoms for fat chicks. Thin girls wear them too. It's mostly to hide the lower belly bulge all women seem to get.

[Anonymous No.5008846]

>>5008792
I work. I commute. I live alone. I live far from big markets where prices are low. I have a small, under-equipped kitchen.

I can afford cooking a nice, fancy, tasty, and even healthy food on weekend. I usually do, and it lasts me 3-4 days. After which I'm a little sick of it. Over the rest of the week I face [healthy, tasty, cheap, fast] choose two or three, and unfortunately both cheap and fast are a must for me. That fancy list on top of the page - let's adjust it by $10/hour of your time preparing the meal, and see how well you come off.

[Anonymous No.5008855]

>>5007984
not if you have a labor intensive job, or weight lifting

[Anonymous No.5008860]

>>5008846
>That fancy list on top of the page - let's adjust it by $10/hour of your time preparing the meal,

Sure, some meals are complicated and take a long time in the kitchen, but nobody is expecting you to cook Saddle of Veal Prinz Orloff or Lobster Thermidor for yourself. I can make a couple hamburgers in a skillet in less time than it takes to drive to the nearest fast food. If you are on a budget then things like soups or stews are really easy to cook in large batches, then all you need to do is reheat them. Any sort of braise like a pot roast, stew, etc, is easily done on either the range or with a slow cooker with very little effort involved: cheap and easy.

[Anonymous No.5008871]

>>5008839
high waisted bikini, it's one of those histper things because it looks slightly retro. unfortunately even though it's "in style" you still have to have a specific body shape and mass to pull it off imp

[Anonymous No.5009023]

No. Just imbeciles who don't know how to cook thinking "healthy" means buying 5000% markup premade hummus and kashi cereal.

>>5007479
>Fruits and nuts are overrated

Pft, yeah, who needs vitamins and omega 3 fatty acids. Overrated as fuck.

[Anonymous No.5009027]

>>5007766
>but shitty frozen dinners often are cheaper in bulk

No.

No. Frozen cheap dinners are always overpriced (and taste awful.) Buy the ingredients and make it yourself. It's more upfront but less per meal AND it won't give you high blood pressure and the beetus.

[Anonymous No.5009034]

>>5007934

>not getting spices from the dollar store

Seven dollars of cinnamon lasts me a year, with daily use in mah oats. The per serving cost is pennies. (Was slightly cheaper in bulk than from the dollar store, other shit is dollar store like salt, pepper, herbs, paprika.)

[Anonymous No.5009045]

>>5007961

Aren't those ornamental gourds?

Anyway, fuck yeah homesteading. Fruit is goddamned expensive. How large is your garden/orchard?

[Anonymous No.5009055]

>>5008812

If you can be satisfied on one tiny value menu burger. I'm not and I'm tiny.

For five dollars you can get a sack of potatoes and a pack of bacon and eat like kings.

Niggers are too lazy to cook.

[Anonymous No.5009081]

Not in my country.
Vegetables and fresh food is cheap and plentiful here, but people are still getting fatter and fatter each year.
Sugars and processed foods aid lazy stupid people to get fatter.

[Anonymous No.5009100]

>>5007458
>things i can not buy at that price:
the lean ground turkey unless there's a great sale, lentils are near twice that price. i never buy that kind of tea, nor do i buy crackers, so i can't comment on those. the rest are fairly accurate, tho.

[Anonymous No.5009104]

>>5009023
There are no vitamins in fruit you do not find in higher quantities with meats. As for omega 3 fatty acids, you find them in abundance in various meats, particularly sea meats. You also get them in beans and many rice.

With the exception of walnuts most nuts are a bad source of omega 3 per dollar spent.

[Anonymous No.5009110]

>>5009055
right now at safeway.com I am seeing russet potatoes for 85¢ a lbs how many lbs does a person eat? I assume not much more than one.

[Anonymous No.5009234]

>>5007458
it's not about cheaper, and it's not about lazy, it's about in poor families both parents have to work, often more than one job. When you get home from an 11-12 hour day the last thing you want to do is spend 45 min/1 hour in the kitchen, especially if it's 1-2 hours before bed time and you want to spend time with your kid.

Luckily my husband and I work opposing schedules, so I can have him do dinner most of the time, but when I get home at 7 or 8 and I haven't seen my kid all day I'd really rather sit and eat a frozen pizza for her than listen to her scream for me in the kitchen and then spend 10 min with her before she goes to bed.

The problem is that when women started going to work, rather than having a discussion about how to maintain the quality of meals in the home American Marketing stepped in with shit like Hamburger Helper and frozen dinners, and it became part of the culture, I was probably 15 before I realized you could bake a cake without a box of mix

[Anonymous No.5009266]

>>5009234

It's rare that both parents "have" to work. They often choose to in order to pay for yet more things that they don't need. For example, eating out is expensive. So his hiring a babysitter. Instead of paying others to do those things for you you can do them yourself and save money. I know quite a few families who claim that "they can't make ends meet" but they find plenty of money to spend on silly things.

[Anonymous No.5009305]

>>5009266
Do you even America?

[Anonymous No.5009327]

>>5009266
In my area a 2 bedroom apartment is 1200 a month. After taxes I make about 1400 a month. I could house myself, a wife and a couple of kids, I could even feed them if we shoestrung the budget. But I would not be able to clothe them, I would not be able to afford transportation. I wouldn't be able to pay for heat and water.

Around here, 2 people working is a necessity for many.

[Anonymous No.5009329]

>>5009234
>baking a cake without a box of mix

I've worked in professional shops. Places that made thousand dollar wedding cakes. They all used box cake mix.

[Anonymous No.5009335]

Being a raw vegan, I am astounded by the amount of money I save every month in water and electricity. The time I take preparing my meals is extremely short too, I basically snack all day.

A 500 gram pack of sunflower seeds is 2 dollars and lasts me around a week.

[Anonymous No.5009339]

>>5009329
Believe it or not, there's nothing wrong with making a cake from scratch. It's one of the easier things to do in a kitchen.

[Anonymous No.5009346]

>>5009329
>>5009339
Convenience and consistency. This is business, not the playground.

[Anonymous No.5009355]

>>5007458

>tilapia

wow you almost got me, OP. that's the subtle shit you got going on there.

[Anonymous No.5009620]

>>5009335
Sunflower seeds are roasted, you might as well be eating Pringles.

[Anonymous No.5009886]

>>5008785
>Eating healthy and even moderately tasty is expensive like hell.

lol no

[Anonymous No.5009889]

>>5008812
For $5 you can get some dry beans, salt, a few spices, bacon-end-pieces, and make a meal to feed 15 people.

[Anonymous No.5009898]

>>5008855
>be factory worker for 5 years, roofer for 3 years
>currently working on a farm mucking stalls, chucking square bales, etc
>lifting 50-120lbs multiple times a day even up a ladder
>be vegetarian

That's my mother-in-law.

[Anonymous No.5009908]

>>5009045
>Aren't those ornamental gourds?

Yes, but if you pick them when they are very young they are tender and delicious. If you pick them a bit late the seeds will be tough and not much later the skins will be tough.

>How large is your garden/orchard?

I grow food on slightly less than an acre, but it is spread out in different areas.

[Anonymous No.5009917]

>>5009104
>There are no vitamins in fruit you do not find in higher quantities with meats

So, how about Vitamin C?

[Anonymous No.5009923]

>>5009889
that doesn't sound right. can you link your dry beans on a grocerystore please? I'm seeing 3.89 per lbs. and there is no way a lbs will feed 15 people.

actually I'm lying I'm too lazy to look it up but feel like my price is in the right ballpark.

[Anonymous No.5009928]

>>5009917
Liver is the #1 source of vitamin C

Plus liver tastes delicious

[Anonymous No.5009933]

>>5009928
>eating liver everyday
lol no

The meat-only diet works well for Mongolians and Inuit. They live a long time lol

[Anonymous No.5009935]

>>5007637
>peanut butter
>tea
>lentils
>lean meat

>unhealthy

[Anonymous No.5009939]

>>5007458
That's so fucking odd, in Australia the top would cost $10 max (cheaper on Tuesday) and the bottom would at least be $30+

Fuck yeah Australia!

[Anonymous No.5009945]

>>5009327
>After taxes I make about 1400 a month.

I make less than $5k a year. Expenses are insurances, taxes, vehicle fuel, and miscellaneous crap. But, I am not debt free and own everything instead of the bank owning it (vehicle, 2 houses, farmland, etc). Most people I know spend more, in one month than what I make in an entire year. I live pretty well too.

[Anonymous No.5009953]

>>5009945
What is your property value, and does it increase every year?

[Anonymous No.5009959]

>>5008792
I really like raw spinach, how do I make the garlic not burn my mouth without diluting it in mashed potatoes?

[Anonymous No.5009960]

>>5009939
I just tried to do the math for Poland

1 large pizza is around 35zl + 8zl breadsticks = 43zl

Bottom is sausage for I'd say 12zl, tilapia 7zl, turkey 10zl, peanut butter 13zl, green tea 5zl if shitty quality, 5zl lentils, 5zl crackers. = 57zl

[Anonymous No.5009962]

>>5008845
Those are intestines

[Anonymous No.5009967]

>>5009923
You can get a 50lbs bag of dry beans from Sam's club for about $30-$35. Here, read this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/428565-how-to-cook-pinto-beans-for-100-people/

Then start rethinking things a bit.

[Anonymous No.5009969]

>>5009933
One serving of liver a week. along with plenty of milk is more than enough to supply you with all the vit c needed. Eat your 2-3 servings of fruit a week because it tastes good, not because you think your body will die without it.

[Anonymous No.5009972]

>>5008845

Those are her intestines, anon. You have that bulge too. In fact, you sound like you probably have more than just that bulge.

[Anonymous No.5009976]

>>5009959
roast the garlic. it becomes sweet. and delicious. nom nom nom nom

[Anonymous No.5009982]

>>5009967
I can't afford a sam's club membership.

And I don't have 35 dollars to spend on food at one time. If you buy a bag, will you sell me some wholesale?

[Anonymous No.5009987]

>>5009928
lololololol no

[Anonymous No.5009989]

>>5009969
No it isn't. Stop talking out your ass. lol

[Anonymous No.5009994]

>>5009953
>fly-over state

[Anonymous No.5009998]

>>5009976
It's delcious raw, just painful. Surely it would be madness to fry up garlic and dump it in raw spinach. Maybe pre-roast it when I'm roasting something else? It's a shame anyway because raw garlic is rediculously healthy (apparently) whereas cooked is only quite healthy. Maybe iif I can gather wild garlic when it's in season it will be milder.

[Anonymous No.5009999]

>>5009960
>1 large pizza is around 35zl + 8zl breadsticks = 43zl

That's not bad. Same price where I live in the US.

[Anonymous No.5010001]

>>5009987
what website is that?

[Anonymous No.5010009]

>>5009987
That should totally be reading 30% not 3. but daily recommended dose is 90mg per day, and a more realistic required dose is 70mg per week. 27mg per 100g is plenty.

Yes I was exaggerating about how much was in liver. but it is a great food.

[Anonymous No.5010014]

>>5010001
a wrong website. I looked up bumble bee sardines in water yesterday and it was off on fat by 4g compared to the manufacturers website

[Anonymous No.5010016]

>>5009982
>I can't afford a sam's club membership.
>And I don't have 35 dollars to spend on food at one time.

Then you deserve the dollar menu.

>If you buy a bag, will you sell me some wholesale?

No, but I'll let you smell my Sam's Plus card. It already has 16 people on it. I also have a food business license. So, I can order bulk food from anyplace and bypass grocery stores. That only cost $35 (since it wasn't my first biz) and man, it was the best $35 I ever spent.

[Anonymous No.5010022]

There is eating unhealthy, which can be expensive
There is eating healthy, which can be inexpensive.
Then there is eating Healthy™ Whole Foods Market IP. L.P.® style, mortgage your house and cash out your retirement funds.

[Anonymous No.5010031]

>>5010016
Classist pig!

Stop it with your middle class privileges.

[Anonymous No.5010035]

>>5010001
>>5010014
http://nutritiondata.self.com/

[Anonymous No.5010037]

>>5010016
Not many sams clubs are stocking the large bags of beans/rice/sugar/flour/etc anymore and many are discontinuing it. They are switching to the "Home Bulk" lines a lot of food manufacturers offer now. The local store manager said some of the more rural locations may continue but he didn't know specifics.

Just a heads up from a caterer.

[Anonymous No.5010045]

>>5010014
The manufacturer is likely wrong, then. The site above sources from http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/.. The manufacturer doesn't fund/perform macronutrient and micronutrient research to determine these amounts, it makes estimates and runs, at best, a few tests, mostly to ensure product quality. The USDA does somewhat more involved research.

[Anonymous No.5010049]

>>5010031
This year is the last year I'll have the membership since I will no longer need it. Seriously though, get yourself a membership if there's one in your area. It is worth it in savings just the first time you shop there. Look into getting a business license that deals with food so you can buy bulk from wholesalers for cheaper than you can possibly buy at a store.

[Anonymous No.5010061]

>Be me. Trying to lose 10 pounds since May
>yoyoing back and forth
>confess my love for a girl, she rejects me
>get depressed and lose 15lbs in a week

Over it now. It went better than expected

[Anonymous No.5010129]

>>5009055
>For five dollars you can get a sack of potatoes and a pack of bacon and eat like kings.

A 3 pound bag of potatoes costs 3.48 here (more if you don't get the bag), and bacon is 4.98 at it's cheapest. (All fat)

[Anonymous No.5010157]

>>5007984
But that's wrong, left is either a bbq or dinner and right is a student's/company's cafeteria lunch. The only places in the world that serves DINNER on a goddamn tray like that are malls, prisons, and airlines; most dine-in bento box portions are larger than that too.

[Anonymous No.5010168]

>>5010129
Where live it is $3.49 for a 5lbs bag of yellow onions, $0.58 per pound of sweet potatoes, $3.89 for a 5lbs bag of russet potatoes, and $1.89 per pound for bacon ends and pieces. ou can mix and match and it goes along ways.

[Anonymous No.5010172]

>>5010157
>But that's wrong

It isn't. The rest of your post doesn't even refute that.

[Anonymous No.5010185]

I live in Florida;
I can get 4 Hungry Howie's pizzas for just over 20$.

The other items;
Sweet Italian Sausage: 3.98
1lb Tilapia: 5.00
Ground Turkey: 2.98/lb
16oz Peanut butter: 4.48
Green Tea: 1.98
1 lb lentils: 2.40
1 box shitty crackers: 2.98
=23.80

The prices are close where I live. But the lower choices are shitty and aren't really "meal items". Produce is fucking expensive here, and the one farmer's market (32 miles away) has a shit selection of cabbage, corn, cabbage, rutabagas, and cabbage

[Anonymous No.5010193]

>>5010168
Shit, those bacon prices are amazin'.

[Anonymous No.5010198]

>>5007458

Nope, healthy eating is always cheaper. I avoid processed food and eat almost entirely fresh vegetables, fruits, and meats and fish and my grocery bills are MANY times less than what my friends or family spend on processed foods and restaurant foods. I can literally walk into a farmers market or certain grocery stores in my city and walk out with 20lbs of fresh food for less than 10 bucks. I have friends who spend that much everyday during breakfast or lunch. The people who complain that eating healthy is expensive are just lazy, fat people who do not give a shit about their body or their finances.

[Anonymous No.5010206]

>>5010198
Where the fuck do you live for those produce prices.

[Anonymous No.5010210]

>>5010168
damn go to the asian grocery. Yellow onions are 39cents a lb

[Anonymous No.5010264]

>>5009055
Bacon is $3.99 the cheapest here and most of the time that means 12oz not 1lb like most people would think, it's the same price at the butcher of the same store too. Potatoes are rarely cheap enough to buy just $1 worth to feed a family of 5 for a meal, you'd have to buy the 2lb-10lb bags just to make it cheaper and those are $2.

Unless your family of five is happy to eat all starch for dinner with a little protein and fat to flavor it, that is bullshit. I'd have more luck and nutrition just buying 1 head of lettuce for a plain salad, and ~2lbs of chicken thighs with a family of 5.

>>5009945
>own everything instead of the bank
That's the key thing, you own it so you don't need to have a 2nd parent working. Not everyone can just pack up and move to the sub-urbs when they're young, not anymore, unless they want to move to the midwest or South and buy shitty land.

[Anonymous No.5010268]

>>5009928

You're thinking about vitamin A, not vitamin C.

[Anonymous No.5010270]

>>5010206

Florida, farmers markets are sell tons of affordable food as do the various grocery stores and warehouse clubs.

[Anonymous No.5010274]

>>5010172
>lunch=dinner
Wow, /ck/ sure has changed. Has /fit/ infiltrated you fucks too much or something?

[Anonymous No.5010307]

>>5010274
It shows proper meal portions. It doesn't matter what meal you eat, you shouldn't be eating that much meat at one time.

[Anonymous No.5010344]

>>5007458
>Is eating unhealthy really cheaper than eating healthy?
Diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, joint problems, orthopedic shoes, cancer, etc. really add up.

[Anonymous No.5010404]

>>5010307
dumb gook

[Anonymous No.5010409]

Depends, mostly of times healthy food is cheaper, but If by healthy you mean the "organic" section of the market (this is wrong btw), of course it's gonna be more expensive.

Also there are those weird cases, like in a popular grocery store in my country, a liter of Pepsi is cheaper than a liter of water, but of course this is just a ridiculous exception.

[Anonymous No.5010432]

>everybody's situation is different
>everybody's lifestyle is different
>everyone's amount of knowledge is different
>every region is different

We'll never agree! So who cares!

[Anonymous No.5010443]

>>5010432
But we are all Homo Sapiens and eating large quantities of meat every day is bad for you.

[Anonymous No.5010520]

>>5010049
I may be looking at the wrong thing but I looked up the food business license thing and it looks like the kind of license that restaurants get, i.e. the one where you have to have an inspected kitchen for selling food or whatev. Does that sound right? If so, fuck that

[Anonymous No.5010568]

>>5007979
I envy your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.5010574]

If you're trying to save money and eat healthy, why are you wasting money on meat? You can buy more fruit and veg with that. Bundle of kale for $1, bananas for 60 cents a pound

[Anonymous No.5010577]

>>5010409
I'm sure at your faucet it only costs a fraction though

[Anonymous No.5010578]

>>5010443
Lies, meat is good for you.

[Anonymous No.5010620]

>>5010578

Yes, that is a lie

[Anonymous No.5010622]

>>5010574
>You can buy more fruit and veg with that

YOU can, but people who don't live next door to the farmer's market can't. Produce is costly and not especially satiating anyway.

[Anonymous No.5010625]

>>5010622

The only store I have to shop at is an expensive as fuck corner store, kale and bananas are going to be cheap anywhere you go. OP already listed lentils for satiety, pick up some brown rice and kale.

[Anonymous No.5010635]

>>5010574
Meat has much more nutrition and calorific value than vegetables, so you need to eat less.

[Anonymous No.5010637]

>>5007995
>http://www.nearsightedowl.com/
>Chubby Cartwheels in My Heart

i am flabbergasted. ask me what i think of that site in a year, once the shock finally wears off.

[Anonymous No.5010642]

>>5010635

All it noteably has is caloric value, and if you want calories you can get it from cheaper, healthier sources like legumes and grains

[Anonymous No.5010646]

>>5010635

>meat has much more nutirition than vegetables

[Anonymous No.5010651]

>>5010642
Complex carbohydrates aren't healthy though. Where did you get this notion?

I'm sick of you bloody petafags shitting up this board with your crusade against meat.

[Anonymous No.5010656]

>>5010651

>Complex carbohydrates aren't healthy though. Where did you get this notion?

From every study ever conducted on health. Are you one of those paleo retards or something?

[Anonymous No.5010690]

>>5010656
eating a complex carb takes more energy to burn than simpler ones like sugars.

[Anonymous No.5010692]

>>5008871
IMO high-waisted styles are even more unforgiving, and flatter a fairly specific body silhouette. But all the landwhales can see is >omg so retro liek my curve-idol Monroe

On them, it's more of a reinforced FUPA carrier.

[Anonymous No.5010696]

>>5010690

What does that matter?

[Anonymous No.5010707]

>>5010690
If eating things expended more energy than was absorbed, we'd starve to death, lamebrain.

[Anonymous No.5010709]

>>5010635
> Meat healthier than veggies
Anon. Go back to your little cave as the caveman you are.

[Anonymous No.5010718]

>>5007458
>"Great Value Green Tea"

[Anonymous No.5010722]

>>5010696
>>5010707
Come on now.

Everything you eat is converted into glucose in your body. Glucose is the only thing your body uses for actual fuel.

That said, some compounds are easier to convert into glucose then others, some energy is expended in the process.

Kilocalories are measured in food basically by burning it and seeing how much energy is released. Your body doesn't work like this, thus, 1000 calories of pure table sugar isn't the same net caloric result as 1000 calories of protein, or alcohol, or celery.

[Anonymous No.5010724]

>>5010722

Again, what does it matter? How does that make complex carbohydates bad for you?

[Anonymous No.5010728]

yes, living off a 1 dollar 1700 bag of chips a day will keep you alive.
what the fuck can you make that is 1700 calories and healthy for 1 dollar.

[Anonymous No.5010731]

>>5010728

>living off a 1 dollar 1700 bag of chips a day will keep you alive.

Calories aren't the only thing you need to stay alive. The "vita" in vitamins has a meaning

[Anonymous No.5010739]

>>5010728

$1 worth of lentils.

[Anonymous No.5010744]

>>5010728
If you just want cheap calories, peanut butter is the best value and it still has some nutritional value too.

Like, everyone in china pretty much eats nothing but rice and peanut butter.

[Anonymous No.5010750]

>>5010739
Yeah, lentils are about 1000 calories a lb and about 1$ a lb.

[Anonymous No.5010751]

>>5010744
This is 99% not true, because most of my extended family is poverty in china in both the big cities and farmlands.

Can you really get like 7 cups of lentils for a buck? Do they sell this at Safeway? I would like to know more.

What aisle?

My upcoming food budget for the year is about 50 bucks a month, I was planning on roasting a whole chicken every week and vegetables under it and living on that.

[Anonymous No.5010757]

>>5007961
What is this food storage process called? I want to do some reading on it.

[Anonymous No.5010760]

>>5010751

Lentils, along with beans, rice, grains, etc are cheap as fuck, especially when you buy them in bulk. A $1 bag of lentils may not look like a huge amount, but when you cook them they expand, and they're pretty calorie and nutrient dense.

[Anonymous No.5010763]

>>5007632
Yeah even if you're only using .03 of saffron you still have to buy a container of it sometime. This picture only works if you have everything listed in stock... which is retarded.

[Anonymous No.5010764]

>>5010751
The lentils at every store I've been to are right there in the rack with the dried beans. Maybe in the aisle with all the 'mexican' stuff and the big bags of rice.

I really don't like soaking beans, but lentils, you just boil and they are done. They sell them here for 0.98$ in 1lb bags, with 'split peas', which I suspect are actually just green lentils. I cook them half a bag at a time and throw in some other crap and it's food for an entire day or more.

Anyways, I was under the impression Chinese ate a lot of peanuts and peanut products, but I suppose it depends on what part of China.

[Anonymous No.5010825]

>>5007961
I want to be you. How?

[Anonymous No.5010837]

Yes. Unhealthy foods get coupons, special sales and a long shelf life. If you try a little you can get free food from the grocery store. That $.50 ramen with a $.35 cent off coupon that doubles is free. I did that kind of thing through college, and managed to by months worth of food for $30-$40.

The healthy food may be cheaper if you have a proper kitchen, some cooking skill, and ignore all sales. But the prices on most healthy foods don't change all that much. A few fruits/vegetables in season will be cheap, but that's it. And the healthy foods tends to go bad much quicker.

[Anonymous No.5010850]

>>5007458

The biggest problem with these is that they often use bulk pricing. If you go to the store to buy just 1 pound of meat, you are going to pay much more than that. The smaller sizes always cost more. To get the price per pound mentioned here you would need to buy a large pack, and doing that would end up costing more than the $20 you had.

[Anonymous No.5010857]

>>5010837

> A few fruits/vegetables in season will be cheap, but that's it

And legumes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15228991

[Anonymous No.5011089]

>>5010690
>burn
implying our bodies are furnaces
We do not "burn" food, we break it apart and use it like lego's

[Anonymous No.5011106]

>>5007961
>the year of our lord 2013
>ruining food like that
We aren't living in the fucking 19th century anymore

[Anonymous No.5011109]

>>5010709
>>5010646
He is actually right, but probably not in the intended way. You can get all sorts of nutritions from animal meat but barely any from the muscle flesh (which we pretty only eat).

[Anonymous No.5011114]

>>5011109
don't phoget about pho. it's offal delicious

[Anonymous No.5011120]

>>5011106
>full retard
Good bait though.

[Anonymous No.5011121]

>>5011089
>like lego's
like lego's what?

[Anonymous No.5011127]

>>5010061
>tfw lost 40 lbs after moving out of parents from being a malnourished poor bastard for a whole year

[Anonymous No.5011130]

>>5011121
i meant legos

[Anonymous No.5011136]

>mfw 5 Apples costs £3
>I could buy 3 large bags of crisps for that price and they'd last longer

You'd think organic stuff would cost less than shit, but no.

[Anonymous No.5011139]

>>5011130
>legos
Just die already.

[Anonymous No.5011145]

>>5011136
Why would you buy organic?
A. You don't know how 'organic' it actually is
B. Organic products are expensive because the farmers lose more product than non-organic to bugs and pests

Buy seasonal locally grown fruit, it's cheaper

[Anonymous No.5011147]

>>5011145
>Buy seasonal locally grown fruit
What do you eat in the winter?

[Anonymous No.5011152]

>>5011147
left over carrots and meat.

also fish, winter fish are the best fish.

[Anonymous No.5011153]

>>5007458
wut

[Anonymous No.5011157]

>>5011152
All you eat are leftover carrots throughout the winter? So you can "stay local"? lol sure buddy

[Anonymous No.5011161]

>>5011157
sometimes there is some cheese left if the mice haven't gotten to it.

And always a small cask of brandy. I couldn't function without some lubrication. When things get real bad, you can always boil some shoe leather until its soft enough to chew on. Won't fill your stomach, but it will keep your mouth busy.

[Anonymous No.5011186]

>>5011157
Onions too

[Anonymous No.5011205]

>>5011153
horrible deals

[Anonymous No.5011224]

>>5011153
>wut

south africa? Who cares?

[Anonymous No.5011229]

>>5010656
>>5010690
>>5010707
paleo retards actually advocate complex carbs over simple ones. this is correct thing to do. the reason simple carbs are so bad for you is because they are absorbed into the blood stream extremely quick. your blood sugar level rockets and your insulin levels goes mental in response. insulin causes all that sugar to get stored in fat cells around the body. now blood sugar level drops and if you've eaten nothing but simple carbs, it will plummet. now you get tired and most likely hungry again because there's nothing in your belly. rinse and repeat and you are now well on your way to fatassdom and diabetes.

complex carbs take longer for the body to break down thus you get a less intense, slower release of sugar into the blood stream over a longer period of time.

[Anonymous No.5011233]

>>5011153
My current domino's has a deal for 2 medium pizzas with two toppings each, for only $5.99 each pizza.

Sometimes if I want to treat myself I'll get that for the entire weekend worth of meals

[Anonymous No.5011262]

>>5007464

you find me a potato that's only 3 fucking cents and I'll eat it.

[Anonymous No.5011289]

>>5011161
I lol'd a little.

[Anonymous No.5011411]

>>5011229
The problem isn't just the blood sugar spike and insulin response, it is the resistance your body develops to insulin.

While complex carbs do "release" slower, a diet heavy in carbs will raise blood sugar regardless of the source.

Paleo activists often prefers simple sugars from whole food sources. Such as fruit. The fiber in fruit does much more to conteract blood sugar spikes than the complexity of carbs.

[Anonymous No.5011463]

>>5011262
I have some delicious green pototatoes in my garbage can that you can have for 2 cents each

[Anonymous No.5011519]

>>5007464
whole chicken $0.37

>>no

[Anonymous No.5011589]

It depends on your cooking abilities.
Since you're on /ck/, I hope you will be able to get away cheaper with cooking.

[Anonymous No.5011610]

>>5007492
Depends on the nature of poverty. College student? Maybe. Welfare fagets have nothing but time though, if you don't have a job, you have time to cook.
And honestly subsistance level cooking only takes a half hour at most, so really just be honest, you're just a lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.5012457]

>>5011289
Last winter we were running low on supplies. But there was 5 or 6 feet of snow out. Grampa said he was going to go hunt. He walked out that door with a bow, a quiver or arrows and a flask of brandy.

We didn't find his body until springtime.

[Anonymous No.5012480]

>>5007492

>at work
>cant leave
>can eat here

Guess who eats a lot of pizza and sandwiches. There is only so much you can make in a microwave that doesn't have to be frozen.

But I also eat a lot of 'salad bar noodle salad things' and hummus/tomatoes/cheese... not that any of it is cheap


i could bring in my rice cooker and some rice but it's not like I've got time to make something to go with it and bring that in and heat it up and put it on the rice, idk

fuckyouguys

[Anonymous No.5012500]

>>5007778

this. Deli meat costs money, so unless you're alternating 'pbj' and 'bologna/cheese' you're gonna be spending a lot on lunch. If you have access to a can opener, bowl, and microwave for lunchtime you can probably mix it up with chef boyardee/spaghettios now and then but rly.

>Processed cheap unhealthy food (canned pasta)
Saves time, is inexpensive, easy, requires minimal appliances and investment, kids love it, variety.

>Cooked cheap food (chicken, rice)
Cheap and healthier but less variety and requires much more time shopping, finding recipes, and cooking as well as requiring investment in things like appliances, spices, and pots.

>Fast Food
Cheap in a short-term sense, quick, no effort/time, kids love it, variety to a point, unhealthy

>Cooked regular food
Price ranges from moderate to expensive, typically healthy, plenty of variety, a lot of investment and time needed

>Sit down restaurants
Most expensive, maximum variety, healthiness varies


For a person working several jobs with minimal gas money and time, options A and C look pretty fucking tempting. Still, it's not that hard to strike a balance between the first three but it takes education, and again some time and the knowledge. Supplementing B with some A is likely the best option for most people below the poverty line, but nearly all would sooner waste their money at mcdonalds because it puts food in the kids' mouths faster and feels easier.

[Anonymous No.5012501]

>>5011519
I think he meant 0.37$ of a whole chicken. Still it's not a lot of meat

[Anonymous No.5012505]

>>5011610
i've almost done whats in your image but i never quite care enough what he thinks, i bet if i was still fat i'd do it though.

[Anonymous No.5012514]

>>5011233

they also offer subs, pastas, chicken, etc for 5.99

but no honey mustard

so i just get papa johns


literally disgusting

[Anonymous No.5012775]

>>5007458
>eating healthy
>tilapia (farmed at that) and turkey that has been processed and packaged

Shirley, this can't be serious?

[Anonymous No.5012778]

>>5012775

whats wrong with tilapia

[Anonymous No.5012782]

>>5012778
It's a bottom feeding fish that eats the shit of it's other pen mates in the farms.

Plus it's really bland and popular.

[Anonymous No.5012786]

>>5012782

do you have a problem with pork then?

[Anonymous No.5012788]

>>5012778
no omega 3s

[Anonymous No.5012793]

For those without the wealth of a steady job or cooking/refrigerating/reheating (lots of shelters forbid microwave ovens) facilities, yes.

To buy fresh foods is great, of course.
But if you have nowhere to store, cook, or reheat something, you're pretty fucked with a tiny paycheck. Fast foods also means no dishes, thus no roaches if you lose water supply and can't clean them that night.

Poverty is pretty horrid that way. And then people wonder why the impoverished have bad eating habits...

[Anonymous No.5012803]

>>5012788
this is actually a really good point

what frozen fish is best then?

[Anonymous No.5012807]

>>5012803
fish not raised on corn

[Anonymous No.5012810]

>>5012786
not the same anon but every time i've had tilapia it tasted awful. really fishy taste in the worst way. i like raw sashimi and love most seafood but tilapia has just never impressed me.

[Anonymous No.5012811]

>>5012807
so how do you know that? unless it's wild caught or something

[Anonymous No.5012814]

>>5012811
>so how do you know that? unless it's wild caught or something
You answered your question.

[Anonymous No.5012825]

>>5012786
I don't eat much pork because I don't really care for it. I have bacon or sausage from time to time, but that's pretty much it.

[Anonymous No.5014443]

>>5012793
Every article about homelessness or shelter living pretty much says this, yeah...

That cannot be an easy life to transition out of, both emotionally and in terms of diet.

[Anonymous No.5014446]

>>5007458
That sausage
>$3.82
Not in Canada.

[Anonymous No.5014488]

>>5007965
Yes that's terrible but ketchup is completely acceptable.

[Anonymous No.5014502]

>>5007458
No. You can get Ham and PB&J sandwiches for months for the same cost as a week of fast food.

[Anonymous No.5014509]

>>5011233
>eating two medium pizzas in one weekend
you fat fuck. that's disgusting

[Anonymous No.5014681]

>>5014509
a pizza a day keeps the doctor away

[Anonymous No.5014804]

>>5007472
I think so. It's certainly giving me one.

>>5007489
My, my, you faggot.

>>5007961
Check your land owning privilege, but no doubt what you're doing is fucking cool.

[Anonymous No.5015283]

I'm doing Pizza for 4 people on a regular base, and it's as well cheaper as healthier.

For a large Pizza (1 person), you'd pay about 7€ where I live.

750g flour, (0,30€ per kilo)
a bit of sugar, some salt, a drop oil (almost nonexistent costs)
a bit yeast (0,09€ per package)
a half cup of milk (0,50€ per liter)
and some crane-water (good quality)
Cheese for about 2€
sieved tomatos for 1,50€
and, for example, half a package of ham for 1,10€ per package and a few mushrooms for about... 1€.

So... 28 € for one evening of fat and fast-food, or...
Let's say 10€ including electricity for two days of much healthier fresh-made-pizza-fun.

[Anonymous No.5015443]

>>5007984
but muh gains.

[Anonymous No.5015738]

>>5012480
make dinner, throw some in tupperware for lunch