/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4919280]

I am interested in finding out how to make a good, vegan pizza. "Good" in my view is... well, alike the attached picture. Does anyone have some tips on ingredients needed to cause non-flatness, puffiness (or whatever you'd call it)? I was thinking corn oil, baking soda... but to be honest I've no real idea how to pull such a thing -- a home-made food that actually tastes alright -- off. Websites I've checked out offer recipes only for very thin crust...

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4919291]

What the fuck? All pizza bases are vegan.

[Anonymous No.4919297]

>>4919291
Most, sure. I wasn't saying otherwise. I'm talking more of how to make the dough in general and emphasizing its ingredients (toppings) to be vegan. Sorry if confusion.

[Anonymous No.4919318]

>>4919297
Eh, in-fact, no, many contain whey.

[Anonymous No.4919353]

>>4919297
Just look up a pizza dough recipe. Pizza dough is vegan.

You can make a passable pizza sauce that's vegan

Cheese, you're shit outta luck. Vegan cheese is the only quasi acceptable substitute, and there aren't a whole lot of other topping options.

[Social Haze !!b5Dh2e2S/Jf No.4919394]

>>4919318
>>4919297
>>4919291

Perhaps not all, but most pizza bases are vegan.

>>4919353

Most pizza sauces are vegan, however, some do contain parmesan.

>>4919280

I don't think you have a single clue what you're doing. Please try to express yourself more clearly.

[Anonymous No.4919432]

>>4919280
The fuck is wrong with the cheese on that pizza? Looks like puddles of plastic matter or like white American cheese. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4919451]

That's a gross looking pizza. It's like the cheese was pre-melted and poured on.

[Anonymous No.4919500]

>good pizza
>that monstrosity

Listen, OP. I get that you want to be vegan, and while I don't agree with it, it's your right to live your lifestyle as such. But please, for the love of god, stop trying to make vegan approximations of non-vegan foods. If you choose not to eat something, you should just accept that you're not going to get to eat it.

Seriously... that things is just...

ugh.

[Anonymous No.4919506]

I don't know exactly how it's done, but the pizza in this pic is made with cashew cheese

I think they puree the cashews with water in a really good blender and then strain it through cheesecloth. From what I hear, it's the best pizza in the world.

[Anonymous No.4919513]

>>4919500

This, SO much.

I can deal with you being enough of a faggot to be a vegan in the first place, but the faggotry that is that pizza, and really all vegan substitutes I've seen, is unbearable.

Just chug your soy milk, take your B12 supplements, and leave us alone.

[Anonymous No.4919516]

>>4919513

Why so hostile? Some people want to enjoy tastes and familiar dishes without dying of heart disease. Even if you're not a vegan, you can benefit from learning how to make healthy versions of food you like

[Anonymous No.4919517]

>>4919353

Does pizza dough have yeast in it?

Because yeast is a living creature and therefore not vegan.

[Anonymous No.4919518]

>>4919280
You want half and half? I give you half and half

[Anonymous No.4919519]

>>4919516

>Some people want to enjoy tastes and familiar dishes without dying of heart disease.

So lift weights. Or play rugby.

Or realize life has tradeoffs, and even if it's true that you WILL die of heart disease if you aren't vegan, then you have to choose between heart disease when you're 80, and eating food that doesn't taste like a moldy ballsack for the next six decades.

[Anonymous No.4919521]

>>4919280
Your fat wife

[Anonymous No.4919526]

>>4919517

Yeast isn't part of the animal kingdom, they're part of the fungi kingdom like mushrooms

>>4919519

Exercise is great, but why not do both?

> heart disease when you're 80, and eating food that doesn't taste like a moldy ballsack for the next six decades.

You'd likely die in your 60s from heart disease, and it's not like your health and quality of life up until that point would be great. And come on now, do you think everything has to be unhealthy to taste good?

[Anonymous No.4919531]

>>4919526

>And come on now, do you think everything has to be unhealthy to taste good?

No. Do you honestly think ALL animal products are unhealthy enough to drastically shorten your life and significantly reduce your quality of life when they're eaten in moderation?

If you do, it's no skin off my nose, really. At least until you and all your idjit friends keep asking how to make vegan pizza that doesn't taste like hot vomit. It's like honest politicians or attractive British women. It doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.4919540]

>>4919531

>Do you honestly think ALL animal products are unhealthy enough to drastically shorten your life and significantly reduce your quality of life when they're eaten in moderation?

According to everything I've ever read, yes. "Moderation" is not an excuse, when you do bad things in moderation you just get bad consequences in moderation. I have a basic amount of self control to not be tempted to eat those kinds of things.

As for the vegan pizza, the only thing that isn't already vegan about a pizza is the cheese, and cashew cheese does the job just as well

[Anonymous No.4919554]

>>4919531
Your ignorance is your own issue; it is not mine. Don't comment in this thread nor any more vegan threads, please. Save yourself the time; be productive with it instead, and do stop assuming reasons for my becoming a vegan. Not sure why you take it so personally.

The pizza looks delicious to me. It probably tastes great, too. My life doesn't revolve around saturated fats and MSG... I am not greedy, I take what I need and what I need only. Meat is your lifestyle choice; mine is a deductibility, it is less requirement, and as such your lifestyle choice is "special needs" and whatever else you've implied.

>>4919513
This is a food board and I am talking about food. Quit the condescension; actually, no, don't, if it makes you feel good about yourself, superior in comparison.

[Anonymous No.4919556]

fuck off vegan faggot.

sage.

[Anonymous No.4919560]

/ck/'s not the best place to discuss veganism. It's like going to the World of Warcraft forums and talking about exercise

[Anonymous No.4919563]

>>4919556

You know that just saying sage in your post doesn't actually sage a thread right?

[Anonymous No.4919570]

>>4919554
And by deductibility I mean minus animal products at no expense of nutrients, health, variety (seriously... I can make everything non-vegans make only using dissimilar ingredients), animals, nor good flavour. The word "veganism" seems to act as trigger to self-centered (I mean, it serves your ego to do this, to talk down to people, of course... no reason else you'd do it) such as yourself to go on a rant condescendingly against veganism and vegans, throwing around exclusionary rhetoric with aims to dismiss presence, stereotyping, and banding to a circle-jerk where I receive quite unfortunately its conclusion. I'm not interested.

>>4919540
Thanks, so I guess I could just use any recipe online for dough making sure whey and milk isn't add, as I've observed they tend to be. Not sure about sauce... maybe buy tomato paste and add it to canned tomatoes with some garlic and onions, and of course seasoning.

[Anonymous No.4919572]

>>4919280
Ignore the trolls OP
Listen here's how to cook a lovely pizza.
Instead of using cheese or meat just apply some borry sauce to the base and bake at 180 degrees for 10
Minutes.

[Anonymous No.4919573]

>>4919554
>less requirement
>implying meat and dairy are requirements

[Anonymous No.4919593]

>first night browsing /ck/

You know, I'm not a vegan, but what is with hatred? I like eating meat. Hell, I actively hunt and fish. But if there's a delicious meal that doesn't contain meat, should I just turn it down out of principle?

Meat is a luxury, and it's something that has grown unreasonably abundant in western meals. Everyone needs to recognize that our cooking has changed drastically over the past century. Meat was never so accessible as it is now, and in many parts of the world it is still more of a rarity than a common component of a meal. It seems like we've forgotten the flavor and value of food that doesn't come from animal sources. I think vegan cooking is really interesting, and sometimes I prefer it to a modern, meat-centric dish.

Just my $0.02.

[Anonymous No.4919599]

>>4919593
There are 2 things I hate about vegans:
1. The moralism. Innocent humans are tortured, killed, or just plain suffer under unreasonable conditions every second of every day, yet they choose to bitch about others' eating meat. Never mind that animals had to suffer to provide most of the material goods they use.

2. I can't eat or talk about eating a fucking vegan/vegetarian meal in the company of them without them latching onto me as "one of them." Look, I just like grilled portobello sandwiches. I like the texture of tofu when done right. Do they really have to try to measure vegan dicks with me because they think I'm a kool-aide drinker?

[Anonymous No.4919601]

>>4919593
There are a few carnivores and a few vegans who go out of their way to shit up opposing threads on principle. Everyone else is fairly normal.

[Anonymous No.4919605]

>>4919500

Why does it matter to you?

You're not going to eat it anyway.

[Anonymous No.4919608]

>>4919601

There are no carnivores. We are omnivorous master race.

[Anonymous No.4919609]

>>4919599
I can do something about non-human animals... I can't do much about humans starving besides using my privilege as someone not starving, but comfortably "full" so to speak, to make sure I am at the very least contributing zilch to starving people's oppression (checking where taxes go, what I'm paying for, who made what I'm paying for, who my money goes to). One instance of morality is not invalidated by one instance of immorality, especially not when such immorality isn't directly supported / encouraged / upheld in any way by me. It's a huge issue, but control (significant control, i.e. funding someone's life instead of one measly meal; societies need to be redesigned, or we begin an endless cycle; activism works) lies out of my hands for most-part. I am not killing, I am simply unhelpful to cause of prevention of people dying *now*. All change is eventual, and I do help such eventuality as I can. Don't assume.

[Anonymous No.4919613]

>>4919605

There's always at least one thread of "how do I make silly bullshit vegan food taste remotely edible" up at any given time. Apparently, nothing gets resolved.

Or you fuck ups are so lacking in Vitamin B you can't remember what is actually accomplished.

[Anonymous No.4919617]

>>4919593
welcome to the OTHER /b/!
Whether a profession chef, a hunter food gatherer, a foodie, or a college student, your opinion will be contradicted just for the sake of contradiction.
I'm not complaining, just informing.

[Anonymous No.4919618]

>>4919609

>Implying food you don't eat somehow ends up in the mouth of starving Africans

There is no shortage of food in the world. We have so much food we can hardly give it away. The reason people starve is either governments preventing them from accessing all of this food (IE North Korea) or anarchy preventing them from accessing all of this food (IE Africa).

It's true you can't do much by yourself, but this is also true of your silly veganism bullshit. Believe me, I will make absolutely goddamn sure to pick up your slack in the genocide of cows, chicken, and fish.

[Anonymous No.4919620]

>>4919617

>welcome to ALL OF 4CHAN

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.4919621]

>>4919599
Humans are killed by humans and so humans are at fault. Systems impact us all; I can not subtract a victim's pain because of inconvenience of legality (...borders), violence, war, et cetera, outweighing benefit of my going over to help sick kids who will grow up to be maltreated by humans as adults because of their continued living in an unsafe, poor area. Our world, society-wise, is set-up to fail. Reasonably, I can only contribute indirectly to its ease and overcoming. I mean, companies ditch pounds and pounds of "waste" (edible food) every day instead of giving it to starving people. So, I am in position only to not support such companies, thus not contribute to waste / human detriment. Non-human animals are killed by humans and so humans are at fault. My consumption causes pain, and so by deducting my consumption, I am deducting (detracting) pain.

[Anonymous No.4919626]

>>4919613
Well said, well said.

[Anonymous No.4919627]

>>4919621

Killing yourself you minimize the pain you cause to all living things. It's obvious what you must do.

[Anonymous No.4919630]

>>4919618
Eh? I think you've misread my post or are replying to me accidentally. I didn't state nor imply food I don't eat feeds anyone starving. If you eat for two portion-wise... well, your issue. If I consumed animal products I'd still be adding on where you left, regardless of your consumption. It's simple rationality; your argument is, as I'm making sense of it, impractical rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.4919632]

>>4919620
/ck/ is in the top 5 of least-helpful/most-shit-post boards, though.
People are super opinionated about food.

[Anonymous No.4919637]

>>4919627
consumption amount.*

[Anonymous No.4919636]

>>4919632

What is your top five? I only post much on here, /fit/, and /sp/. It's hard to imagine any board that ISN'T a "Designated Shitposting Board" (/b/, /s4s/, /soc/, /r9k/) having a higher shitpost to contribution ratio than those three.

[Anonymous No.4919640]

4qur'an sucKKKs.

[Anonymous No.4919643]

>>4919572
What the fuck is Borry?
Do you mean bovril or something?

[Anonymous No.4919657]

this thread was really fucked from the beginning, but now it's total fuckcunts.

I guess if you really want vegan pizza you're gonna have to lose the cheese. the dough is easily made vegan, as well as tomato sauce, so dressing it up is the next task.

for a traditional pizza, herbs like Basil are a no brainer. filling in for cheese is tough, you can get milky salty flavors in many ways; almonds come to mind, but the texture would suck. you might just be stuck with weird substitutes to be honest.

I'd just bend the rules and get some real cheese once in a while if I were a vegan in this situation. a few bits of animal product now and then can't possibly have as much effect on your health as the hideous air pollution in most parts of the world anyhow.

[Anonymous No.4919658]

>>4919636
I said "top 5" off-handedly, and I'm not going to make a list just to get lambasted, but you may want to browse /diy/ and /out/. It's a nice change of pace.

[Anonymous No.4919664]

>>4919657
FYI they make a vegan cheese substitute that is meant to act like cheese under heat. I can't remember what it's called, but it says on the package, "It Melts!"
Any vegan should already know of this (not saying that you're a vegan, saying that OP should crawl out from under their rock and go to a store that sells vegan products).

[Anonymous No.4919665]

>>4919632
This is correct. I've been on 4chan for some time, though not on that many boards, but the only ones that stay remotely on topic are the porn boards. I still think that /o/ is the best overall, though.

[Anonymous No.4919673]

>>4919609
You can do no more for non-human animals than you can for humans. Literally the only thing you can ensure is that you do not participate directly in the killing of animals (though you very much do participate indirectly: I 100% guarantee it). This is exactly what you are capable of doing for humans. There is literally no difference other than your self-congratulatory ignorance.

>>4919621
Nor can you subtract an animal "victim's" pain when it lies outside your power. And if you want to abstain from consumption that causes pain, you need to abstain from a hell of a lot more than you already are. You are spoiled by the products of animal suffering. Not ingesting animal meat doesn't change that fact, you self-stroking, smug piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.4919676]

>>4919636
I had a break from here for 12 months.
Whilst Sceak is still here using this as a personal blog, I have noticed /ck/ has been infiltrated by /int/ users with all the USA vs euro shit, why are Murikans so fat, and general 3rd world hate.
It's pathetic as I once viewed /ck/ as my favorite board but now I just await the day no gf feel threads arrive here.

[Anonymous No.4919678]

>>4919658

Eh, maybe /diy/. The only shit I do outdoors is golf, rugby, and drink.

I just miss the days of Good /sp/ and Good /fit/. When OFFICIAL POWER RANKINGS roamed free and people did their fucking squats properly.

[Anonymous No.4919677]

>>4919664
yeah, I'm not vegan, but I figured such a.product exists. I'd be skeptical that such a thing would be much healthier for you than some raw goat cheese or whatever. making cheese from veggies seems like it would require more processing and waste than from milk, but I mite b rong.

[Anonymous No.4919684]

>>4919676

I'm honestly surprised it isn't half ">tfw no qtpt2 average Korean gf to cook for" threads already. And I watch the Ban List thingy for laughs, and /ck/ is almost never on there, and never for Feels when it is.

[Anonymous No.4919708]

>>4919684
bans are mostly /v/ and /s/ because /v/ is a shitfest and /s/ has the most hardcore mods ever (which is rather ironic)

also this whole Meta discussion we're having should really be bannable as well as it has no place here, but I don't know how to report myself with this shitty smartphone interface.

[Anonymous No.4919709]

>>4919684
I'm going to start a new /ck/ thread
>black beans
>white

[Anonymous No.4919718]

>>4919708
I figure there's at least 3 of us in this meta discussion, and I think it's fine to do it as long as there's some sort of nod to the OP topic.
I'm
>>4919632
>>4919658
>>4919664
and I'm pretty sure that the cheese substitute is just soy. I don't think that it is heavily processed or contains a shit ton of chemicals. But I'm a carnivorous, chemical eating whore, so it's not my area of expertise.
I've lurked here for 6 or seven years (not bragging) and there is always an obnoxious person trying to make /ck/ into their personal blog. When I first came here ppl would ride this poster relentlessly, and all they did was post the dinner that they made that night. Pink Himalayan salt.

[Anonymous No.4919739]

>>4919673
Very intelligent, well-thought out response. I'm not your vent.

[Anonymous No.4919742]

For cheese you can just use a fermented-soy substitute.

[Anonymous No.4919746]

>>4919739
But that's what your digressive comments have made this thread to be: a vent. A soapbox for everyone's personal convictions without point or counterpoint.
>>4919742
Yeah, bro, that's what I was saying. I haven't tried them but I worked in a store where people would buy it (even non vegan/vegetarians) and they said it was strikingly similar to a semi-soft cheese. Melted.
Flavor-wise, well... that's another story, but I'm sure that the texture is there.

[Anonymous No.4920235]

>>4919613

What the hell is "Vitamin B" ?

[Anonymous No.4920240]

>>4919599
I don't understand why people think that caring about animals means that you are somehow caring less about the plight of other humans. Like we have a limited amount of care that we have to dish out proportionally to everything.

[Anonymous No.4920247]

>>4919599

>Never mind that animals had to suffer to provide most of the material goods they use.

That's a bit misleading. A lot of common goods are made using animal products, but the demand for those items has nothing to do with the death of the animals. We make tons of shit out of animal parts because the meat industry kills 10 billion land animals every year, and they aren't just going to throw away the non-meat portions of the bodies.

[Anonymous No.4920338]

>vegan food
>good

Keep on being brainwashed. Hope you all killed some animals for your PETA overlords today.

[Anonymous No.4920376]

>>4920338

It's pretty likely that you eat 95% of the same food vegans eat, as well as flavor your meat with plants. I don't get why everyone says vegan food is bad. Most food IS vegan.

[Anonymous No.4920453]

Ha, good luck trying to find non-shitty vegan cheese.
My preferred pizza has 100% veggie toppings but I'll be damned if I switch out real cheese for some questionable factory "cheese" slop.

[Anonymous No.4920454]

>>4920453

>uses kraft mozzarella
>claims to use "real cheese"

[Anonymous No.4920456]

>>4920454
>Survives off of pork and beans and stale pasta
>Has an opinion on food

[Anonymous No.4920458]

>>4919563
Sage in email field isn't displayed anymore, faggot

Although, announcing sage is against the rules.

[Anonymous No.4920463]

>>4919280
Why are there dog turds on one half? Is that still considered vegan if it came from a dog?

[Anonymous No.4920468]

>>4920456

>literally eats his own shit out of the toilet
>getting uppity all down the sideways

[Anonymous No.4920470]

>>4920468
>Born from Al-Qaedan parents
>Puttin on airs

[Anonymous No.4920474]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xacRTqk5QFM

[Anonymous No.4920485]

>>4919618
>anarchy preventing them from accessing all of this food (IE Africa).

lol

anarchy right? has nothing to do with poverty, land being tkaen away from traditional farmes etc. right? Because its not like there are people in the world that can't afford food for that reason...

[Anonymous No.4920877]

>>4919746
>But that's what your digressive comments have made this thread to be
Not true. I'm not digressing, I'm responding to people as to clue said people in. They are responding nonsensically, irrationally, and atop a soapbox.