/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4885618]

Why does homemade sushi always taste bland? It never quite tastes like store bought, mass manufactured sushi.

[Anonymous No.4885627]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-fYp_N9kX4

Pay careful attention

[Anonymous No.4885634]

use more vinegar

[Anonymous No.4885662]

>>4885634
>more vinegar
and more MSG

[Anonymous No.4885670]

>>4885627

I hope this is a joke lmfao

[Anonymous No.4885672]

Chances are you're not even seasoning the rice. Sushi means vinegared rice, it's not even sushi if you don't season the rice

[Anonymous No.4885677]

>>4885662
This, I think. MSG adds a depth of flavor to savory stuff.

If you can't find msg you should probably just be adding more salt. Most of the time having a lack of salt is the kicker.

[Anonymous No.4885687]

>>4885685
>The fish is fucking raw, you physically can't taste it
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.4885685]

>>4885627

>what's the point of eating sushi if you're not gonna taste the fish?

The fish is fucking raw, you physically can't taste it, it's there for texture.

[Anonymous No.4885692]

>>4885687

We don't have that receptor on our tongues. It has no flavor to us, just a texture.

[Anonymous No.4885693]

Don't they wash over the rice/rolls with a sugar and sesame oil combination.

[Anonymous No.4885696]

>>4885692

i can't find a reaction image retarded enough for you

[Anonymous No.4885706]

>>4885692
You're joking right? Have you never had sashimi before? Or any other kind of raw meat?

[Anonymous No.4885707]

>>4885696

What you think you're tasting of the fish is just different amounts of fat, and different textures. If you didn't know that, I have to ask if you've graduated highschool.

[Anonymous No.4885715]

>>4885707
I'd love for you to try and find a source for your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4885717]

>>4885706

>sashimi served with soy sauce because it has no flavor of its own
>just tastes like soy sauce with some mushy cold flesh attached to it

[Anonymous No.4885722]

>>4885627
I hate when people dip their sushi into sauces, it's way smarter to just transfer it by dabbing the chopsticks into it first so you don't risk dropping their food into it.

[Anonymous No.4885728]

>>4885707
So what you're saying is that people are incapable of tasting any sort of animal matter and that the flavor is added to animal tissues by heat, right?

Goddamn you're stupid.

[Anonymous No.4885730]

>>4885717
>served with soy sauce because it has no flavor of its own
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4885735]

>>4885670
It's not.

[Anonymous No.4885738]

>>4885728
Fish don't have flavor because their diet consists of barely anything flavorful in the sea.

[Anonymous No.4885743]

>>4885692
>>4885707
>>4885717

This is a tongue scraper. Buy one, scrape off whatever shit you've got accumulated on your tongue, and maybe you'll be able to taste proteins, salts, fats, etc. like the rest of us can.

[Anonymous No.4885747]

>>4885738

[Anonymous No.4885748]

>>4885738

>Fish don't have flavor because their diet consists of barely anything flavorful in the sea

[Anonymous No.4885770]

>people claiming to be able to taste raw meat

Are you biologically a cat?

[Anonymous No.4885773]

I fucking hate hearing middle-aged white hipsters talk about sushi, but he is right about the whole soy sauce thing and draping the palate cleanser on your sushi. WTF are you doing white people?

As for chopsticks, there's practically no difference between that and your fingers if you really know how to use the things... chopsticks are just more hygienic.

Sushi originated as a form of fast food, I don't understand why fucking weeaboos insist on acting like eating sushi is akin some kind of fancy ritual like taking communion.

[Anonymous No.4885777]

>>4885770
So you're telling me carpaccio doesn't actually taste like anything? I just made the taste up in my mind?

[Anonymous No.4885780]

>>4885777

Is your carpaccio literally just raw meat or is it flavored with other things?

[Anonymous No.4885782]

>>4885773

>draping the palate cleanser on your sushi. WTF are you doing white people?

Ginger's a fucking flavor, why is it forbidden to use the flavor of ginger in sushi? It tastes good

[Anonymous No.4885785]

>22 posts
>one retard insisting that raw meat has no flavor detectable to human taste buds
>not a single fucking source

[Anonymous No.4885792]

>>4885782
Why don't you just smother it in ketchup while you're at it?

[Anonymous No.4885807]

>>4885803
>ketchup doesn't mix with soy sauce
But that's not true at all

[Anonymous No.4885803]

>>4885792

Because ketchup's not Japanese, testicle lips, and it doesn't mix with soy sauce either. Ginger used everywhere else in asian food, why would it be uncouth to use it in sushi, especially when the flavor is perfectly suited to it?

[Anonymous No.4885813]

>>4885803
>especially when the flavor is perfectly suited to it?

because it isn't. The flavor of ginger is overpowering and unless you're the same imbecile who insists that sashimi is completely flavorless you shouldn't even need to ask why draping it over your sushi is stupid. Why even eat sushi if you're not going to taste it? Go get some ginger chicken or something instead of eating something just because your friends are doing it.

[Anonymous No.4885820]

>you can't taste raw meats
So people are this far distanced from the real world today?

[Anonymous No.4885822]

>>4885813

>the flavor of vinegar is overpowering, why do they even put it on the rice?

Nobody said the sushi should be wrapped in ginger. Put in small strips of it and it can improve your sushi roll.

[Anonymous No.4885824]

>>4885820

Eat a piece of raw beef and then eat a piece of raw chicken and then explain how each of them taste without hinting at texture.

[Anonymous No.4885825]

I save all my ginger and eat it all at once after I'm done eating.
I fucking love ginger.

[Anonymous No.4885827]

>>4885824
I've eaten raw beef, and as for raw chicken, go and die of typhoid, will you?

[Anonymous No.4885829]

>>4885803
>Because ketchup's not Japanese, testicle lips, and it doesn't mix with soy sauce either.

>using soy sauce on sushi

...just save yourself money and go to Panda Express. We all know its what you really want.

[Anonymous No.4885834]

>>4885829
>not using shoyu on sushi
Durr

[Anonymous No.4885835]

>buy a slab of frozen wild-caught salmon
>use a deli slicer to cut off thin strips
>eat it raw and by itself because it tastes so fucking good

no receptors my ass

[Anonymous No.4885838]

>>4885835

That's disgusting.

[Anonymous No.4885839]

>>4885838

[Anonymous No.4885840]

>>4885838
>in a sushi thread
>calls sashimi disgusting

just go away faggot.

[Anonymous No.4885843]

>>4885838
I bet you never tried it

[Anonymous No.4885844]

Raw eel makes my dick hard.

[Anonymous No.4885905]

>>4885803
Ginger is used in a myriad of dishes, not pickled ginger though. Pickled ginger is served as a cleanser.

[Anonymous No.4885968]

>>4885722
....but what if you're not autistic and can actually use chopsticks without dropping shit? Just because you're bad at something doesn't make it smarter.

[Anonymous No.4885969]

>>4885905

Well all it does is puts the taste of pickled ginger in your mouth, you can use it as an ingredient too.

[Anonymous No.4886071]

>>4885969
Some people even use their own cum as an ingredient but that wasn't the point, why change the subject.

[Anonymous No.4886077]

>>4886071

You eat semen sushi?

[Anonymous No.4886084]

>>4886077
Not quite, it's the secret ingredient in my homemade kewpie recipe though.

[Anonymous No.4887594]

OK...so what about an American "Japanese" Sushi buffet? Is there such a thing as etiquette? Do standard buffet rules apply?

[Anonymous No.4887678]

>sushi thread
>outlandish discussion about raw fish not having taste
jesus christos

BACK ON TOPIC
my experience with home made sushi is that it's a bitch getting proper good salmon
also, don't make the bits too big or have too much rice
>not seasoning the rice
I don't even
just follow some online instructions

ANYWAYS
this video is abit snobbish but mostly right >4885627
But only if you go to a proper sushi joint.
It's ok to do the soy/wasabi slush to dip your sushi in since most cheap places don't add wasabi to your sushi. Do dip more than just a corner if you want but try to dip it upside down so you never ever ever dip the rice. Having bits of rice in your soy sauce bowl is very dishonorable and makes you look like a barbarian. The guy in the video actually adds wasabi directly on top of the sashimi and that is hillarious, not recommended. Try to stick the sushi upside down into your mouth so that the fish flesh comes into direct contact with your tongue. This is the proper way to savour the taste. Also clean your palate with ginger between bits as said.
>putting ginger in contact with the sushi
ahah I've seen many acts of low honor to sushi but never this

anyways, best sushi I ever had was when my dad went dwon to the harbour on our holliday, went on a fucking norwegian fishing boat, worked half a day for the promise of a big fresh rainbow salmon, brought it back, prepared the sushi and served it within an hour of it's capture

he is an asshole but man he knows how to serve sushi

[Anonymous No.4887686]

>>4887594
I go to a sushi buffet at least once a week.
It's a buffet, there really is no etiquette.

You wanna eat with chopsticks? Eat with chopsticks.
You wanna eat with a fork? Eat with a fork.
You wanna eat with your hands? Eat with your hands.
You wanna dip it all in spicy mayo? Dip it all in spicy mayo.

[Anonymous No.4887710]

>>4887678
also, if you are dipping in soy with wasabi in it, don't have too much. You should only have enough that you need to refill after 3-4 bits of sushi.
Also, I know this is probably not accepted outside japan but eat with your hands if you can't handle the chopsticks. Dipping and then eating the bits upside down is hard to master with chop sticks.

and for amaterasu's sake don't fucking drink coke to sushi

[Anonymous No.4887713]

>>4887678
tell me more about your relationship with your father.

[Anonymous No.4887728]

>>4887713
he is a bully and my greatest achivement in life is not becoming him
I also promised my kid self to give him a proper beating some time before he dies

anyways, I fucking hate shrimps on my sushi and the other exotic fish taste like coloured cod. I wish the raw ingredients were better around here

[Anonymous No.4887744]

>>4885777
You can't taste raw fish you retard. If you seasoned it then that's what you're tasting.

[Anonymous No.4887749]

>>4887744
>You can't taste raw fish you retard.
0/10
You're not even trying to hide it.

[Anonymous No.4887747]

The best sushi I've ever had came from a grocery store in Japan made fresh during the lunch rush hour.

Fuck all that high-end weeaboo trap restaurant biz. I live in San Diego now and I'd rather sit on a park bench and eat fresh takeout sushi from Nijiya while sipping sake from a paper bag than deal with hipsters speaking mangled Japanese and soapboxing about Nippon culture while the chefs smile and nod.

[Anonymous No.4887752]

>>4887744
see
>>4885835

[Anonymous No.4887754]

>>4887749
You can't even refute his point. If you dipped it in soy sauce that's what you're tasting.

[Anonymous No.4887755]

>>4887747
cheap sushi in japan is really really good
and cheap
and sushi

[Anonymous No.4887760]

>>4887754
stop this tedious trolling
it's not entertaining
go train and become better at trolling
then you may return and show us yor skills

[Anonymous No.4887767]

>>4887754
I can't refute his point that raw fish has no taste?
This has to be a troll. No one is this stupid.

[Anonymous No.4887773]

Are there seriously people here who can't taste raw meat? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even know what a sparkling clean vagina tastes like?

[Anonymous No.4887779]

>>4885618
it doesn't really. i've done sushi twice, both times been delicious. the only downside was how it looked, that's what showed it was homemade. presentation has always been my weakness though.

[Anonymous No.4887786]

>>4887760
>filename
>my sides

[Anonymous No.4887909]

>>4887760
>stop this tedious trolling
I've read so many posts like this that I'm convinced they're made by people who genuinely suffer from suppressed taste sensitivity. They say the same thing about rice, oatmeal, bread, pasta, lentils, beans, chicken, fish, tofu, lobster, shrimp, mushrooms, potatoes, cucumbers, cauliflower, avocados and lettuce. Without overt flavors (salt, sugar, hot spices, MSG, sour acids, etc.), foods taste identically bland/flavorless to them.

[Anonymous No.4887929]

>>4887909
hmm, plausible

but consider this:
why the hell are these people posting in /ck/?

it's like blind people spamming art forums with critique on JMW Turner

[Anonymous No.4887954]

>>4885770

>he can't taste raw meat

Are you biologically retarded?

[Anonymous No.4887976]

>>4885773
>ginger was originally eaten with raw fish to counter nausea

There mire you know. People can do whatever the fuck they want with it imo seeing as its only a tradition to keep you from puking up old fish.

[Anonymous No.4888058]

>>4887929
>but consider this:
>why the hell are these people posting in /ck/?
>it's like blind people spamming art forums with critique on JMW Turner

They have a sense of taste, it's just not very sensitive to subtle distinctions. Like someone hard of hearing might not notice whispers, but enjoy a rock concert. A baked potato might be flavorless, but add enough salt, pepper, sour cream, bacon, chives, cheddar, ketchup or sriracha, and it can be worth eating!

A friend of mine from India cooks insanely spicy food all the time, and it seems good within that context, but to me it's all the same overwhelmingly "holy shit that's spicy" flavor, and to him all my food is the same "holy shit that's bland" flavor. We're just attuned to different tastes.

[Anonymous No.4888074]

>>4887976
>There mire you know.

Is that some kind of "the more you know" as-spoken-by-a-retard parody meme that accompanies complete bullshit touted as fact?

[Anonymous No.4888087]

>>4885685

The problem is that most sushi you get in the US and Europe uses rather bland fish like salmon, tuna or butterfish.

Try some mackerel nigiri once and tell my it tastes of nothing.

[Anonymous No.4888089]

>>4888074
not that guy but,
lol

[Anonymous No.4888093]

>>4888074
Nah it's punishment for buying an iPhone. Actually, wasabi is a sushi condiment for the same reason. Both are anti microbial, anti bacterial, and settle the stomach. They were original chosen because they were thought to counter parasites that you risk contracting from raw fish. Deal with it hipster bitch boy.

[Anonymous No.4888106]

>>4888093
>They were original chosen because they were thought to counter parasites that you risk contracting from raw fish. Deal with it hipster bitch boy.

which has nothing to do with "nausea from eating raw fish" and doesn't mean they were intended to be eaten on the sushi rather than used as a palate cleanser

FFS, sashimi is traditionally served BEFORE the rest of a meal because the flavors of raw seafood are so delicate that eating any other food would likely nullify the experience. Draping pickled ginger over the goddamn sashimi is retarded, no matter how vigorously you defend your retardation.

[Anonymous No.4888114]

>>4888106
Just stop responding, it's pretty obvious he's trolling at this point.

[Anonymous No.4888120]

>>4888106
If you can't deal with being wrong just leave. I never said any way is the right way to eat it, I'm just letting you know your pretention is over two condiments that were essentially served with sushi soley to serve as medicine. Which makes you a gigantic fag who cares entirely too much about how people enjoy their food. Water would make more sense for cleansing the palate if the flavored are that mild. Go be a pretentious douschebag somewhere else, no one thinks you're cool.

[Anonymous No.4888124]

>>4888106
And I guess you missed "settles the stomach." Do fedoras interfere with reading comprehension?

[Anonymous No.4888126]

>>4888120
>Water would make more sense for cleansing the palate if the flavored are that mild.

Goddamn you're dumb, and you'll never possess the faculties to understand why everyone thinks so. Go eat fried rice with ketchup or whatever it is you people do.

[Anonymous No.4888130]

I love the shit out of sushi but it seems like a hassle and expensive to prepare. I am fine with ordering sushi from a restaurant. I am happy there is this local place that delivers sushi to my front door.

[Anonymous No.4888133]

>>4888126
>should be eaten before the rest of the meal to preserve flavor
>better serve it with the two most intense flavors of the meal

Dat logic. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.4888148]

>>4888133
Again, you're fucking retarded and clearly have no comprehension of what a palate cleanser is or how it works.

Water's not going to trigger salivation you mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.4888158]

>>4888148
Yeah because when my mouth is dry water never helps. I see ad hominem is all you have left, so I'll leave you to your impotent rage.

[Anonymous No.4888171]

>>4888158
And we're not talking about dry mouth, we're talking about cleansing the palate. You think sorbet or oranged are as served as a palate cleansers between meals "to wet the mouth"?

[Anonymous No.4888174]

>>4888171
I see you've never been to a wine tasting where the palate cleanser is traditionally sparkling water. Keep shifting those goalposts and grasping straws, it's pretty entertaining.

[Anonymous No.4888196]

>>4888174
The palate cleanser at a wine tasting is traditionally sparking water AND a white bread or crackers, both of which encourage salivation.

[Anonymous No.4888214]

>>4888174
>can't even wine tasting correctly
I'll bet you swallow like a bitch

[Anonymous No.4888225]

>>4888196
>>4888214
>Winemakers do use palate cleansers, of course. Plain water is the most common. Sometimes a dilute solution of pectin is used (pectin can help sweep up tannins). Bland crackers are, alas, also common. Until recently, our favorite palate cleanser has been sparkling water. We love it, first of all, but we also believe that the carbonation helps purge tannins and other sensory-impacting compounds.

Stay pleb, I'll stick to the wine makers' method.

[Anonymous No.4888245]

>>4888225
>Stay pleb, I'll stick to the wine makers' method.

>quoting the makers of the shitty as fuck "PWR" wines
>calling other people plebs

lol

[Anonymous No.4888253]

>>4888245

[Anonymous No.4888263]

>>4888225
>>4888253

>PWR

were you unable to find any suggestions by the esteemed wine makers at Canandaigua Wine Co. on how to best cleanse the palate between chugging different flavors of Cisco?

[Anonymous No.4888277]

I like to eat sashimi than sushi because I can savor the "sweetness" of the fish. Maguro is too expensive. But there are big taste difference between cheap vs quality fish.

Also not eating salty food does help appreciate the taste of "raw" food.

[Anonymous No.4888278]

>>4888130
There are no local Japanese store? It's cheaper to buy a slab of sushi grade fish and cut it yourself.

[Anonymous No.4888292]

>>4888278
"sushi grade" in the U.S. just means it's been frozen and any parasites should be dead

[Anonymous No.4888359]

>>4885692
>Implying tongue is the only method of taste
>Implying taste is the only pleasurable thing about food
>Implying no umami in fish

[Anonymous No.4888412]

>>4888359
>umami
please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.4888435]

>>4885618
when making any food yourself, your sense of smell gets acclimated to whatever you're making. Since your sense of smell and taste are correspond with each other, the taste isn't as strong or subconsciously surprising as if someone else made it.

This is why me and my girlfriend take turns cooking for each other. So our senses are untouched from the food being served to the opposing side who was waiting and watching Netflix in the living room.

[Anonymous No.4888437]

>>4888412
Is there a new word for it? Or do you not know how flavor works?

[Anonymous No.4888462]

>>4888435
Why not just put a clothespin on your nose when you're cooking?

[Anonymous No.4888878]

>>4888437
umami is a lie

don't believe everything the government stuffs down your throat to keep eastern relations friendly

[Anonymous No.4888916]

>>4888878
>umami is a lie
Take your tinfoil hat and get back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.4888941]

>>4885803
>testicle lips
Oh god

[Anonymous No.4888953]

>thinking you can taste raw meat that hasn't undergone the mallord reaction from heat exposure

I bet you buy different bottled waters and pretend to be able to taste the difference.

[Anonymous No.4888960]

>>4888953
First of all, you've obviously have never tried water, enriched naturally by mother nature, bottled at the source directly from the mountains of Italy and lightly carbonated with the health benefits of minerals and the assurance that you are truly, drinking the finest water on planet earth.

San Pelligrino,
The choice of patricians worldwide.

[Anonymous No.4888963]

>>4888953
>implying you can't
>being this retarded

[Anonymous No.4890190]

>>4888953

Come back to me when you ate raw salmon, squid, and eel.They taste completely different.

[Anonymous No.4890197]

>>4888953
nigga water from different taps in my house tastes different, bottled water from different sources (i.e. not re-branded municipal water) will of course taste different.

[Anonymous No.4890202]

you should try using plumb sauce in your recipe, it gives my home made california rolls a kick in the ass. maybe garnish with some pickled ginger?

[Anonymous No.4890204]

>>4885627
>telling people how to eat their food
What a pretentious twat.

[Anonymous No.4890206]

>>4885692
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4890211]

>>4885773
I only care if people are putting ginger on top of their sushi and eating it. What the fuck is the point of the ginger? It's like trying to smell coffee and cologne at the same time.

[Anonymous No.4890222]

>>4888953
6/10. You lost me here. Now it's just obvious.

[Anonymous No.4890233]

>>4888087
>tuna, salmon, butterfish
>bland
Any species of fish is bland when it is low quality.
Ur a fag.

[Anonymous No.4890243]

>>4887678
Raw fish doesn't have a taste retard.

[Anonymous No.4890244]

>>4887760
See you still can't refute the point. Raw fish has no taste and even sushi chefs say this.

[Anonymous No.4890248]

>>4890222
Are you saying water has a taste? Wow you people are idiots.

[Anonymous No.4890253]

>>4890243
>spamming the same troll comments over and over again
Why do you even bother?

[Anonymous No.4890256]

>>4890244
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4890281]

>>4890248
Different kind of bottled water with various kinds of minerals will have different features.

[Anonymous No.4890288]

>>4887773
n-no

[Anonymous No.4890294]

>>4890204
>telling people how to eat their food
Welcome to /ck/

[Anonymous No.4890296]

>>4885692
>yfw

[Anonymous No.4890303]

>>4890248
10/10 at this point