/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4607762]

>start an egg discussion during america breakfast
>WHY DONT YOU FRY YOUR EGG
>BUTTER IS GOOD FOR YOU
>BOILED EGGS ARE FOR FAGGOTS
>BUTTER IS A GOOD FAT
>TWO TABLESPOONS PER EGG

>start egg debate during europe brekfast
>delicious recipes
>healthy recipes
>talk about good versus bad cholesterol
>eggs benedict vs egg mcmuffin

[Anonymous No.4607765]

Why do you care about the healthiness of butter if you're eating eggs? Do you think eggs are good for you? It's got the same bad stuff butter does, just more vitamins as well

[Anonymous No.4607767]

>>4607765

the cholesterol in eggs is good cholesterol m8

[Anonymous No.4607771]

If you're criticizing Americans for being argumentative, you're being just as bad right now by posting what you know will probably inflame more of the same.

[Anonymous No.4607772]

>>4607767

>it's good cholesterol

Ridiculous. You think the saturated fat is "good saturated fat" too?

[Anonymous No.4607776]

> people only respond to posts about eggs while they happen to be eating eggs

you certainly have caught those silly Americans now!

[Anonymous No.4607880]

>>4607771
+1 for keepin it civil

[Anonymous No.4607895]

>>4607776
Except that America is asleep when Europe breakfasts.

[Anonymous No.4607899]

>>4607762
>>TWO TABLESPOONS PER EGG
holy shit I nearly vomited.
I fry my eggs over-easy, in the same cast iron pan my great grandmother used, with about 1/4 teaspoon of bacon fat, butter, or olive oil. Good to be in Washington state.
I want to say I can't really imagine 2 tablespoons of butter to fry eggs but it happened a few years ago on a business trip when I stopped by pub-with-forgettable-name for breakfast (ANYTHING that wasn't airline or airport foods). Beans (heard about this before, wasn't greatly surprised), sausage, bacon (jesus fucking what? sausage AND bacon?), 2 slices of diagonal cut dry toast, and 2 eggs over-medium swimming in this slick slimy oily... I looked around and that was the way the eggs visible around me were cooked. I might have understood if it was a hollandaise or bearnaise sauce, but it was just melted butter spooned over the eggs.
WTF is wrong with this British food?!!?

[Anonymous No.4607900]

>>4607895
Except here's a guy from Texas.
Its fun when Europeans come over and think they are going to get shot. Honestly, the best party I ever had was a mix of Austrians, Australians, Spanish and Germans (actually fuck those guys, and the Australians cheated them out of all their money). Anyways, try not to base your cultural understanding of a people by 4chan, much less when 4chan responds to your particular inquest.

[Anonymous No.4607901]

>>4607772
No such thing as good or bad cholesterol. Only balanced cholesterol.

[Anonymous No.4607936]

>>4607765
Calorie count isn't everything jackass, eggs include:
>Protein
>Vitamin A
>Calcium
>Iron

Butter is >99% fat.

On a side note: Poached eggs are the best by far, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.4607954]

>>4607765
>do you think eggs are good for you

0/10

[Anonymous No.4607958]

>>4607936

Eggs have the same fat butter does, and the animal proteins in eggs damage your bones more than the calcium can make up for

[Anonymous No.4607962]

>>4607958
0/10 at least make an effort

[Anonymous No.4607963]

>>4607962

I'll have to ask you to make an effort to argue against what I'm saying. Putting up the "whaaat? my favorite foods aren't good for me? WELL FUCK SCIENCE" defense doesn't work

[Anonymous No.4607967]

>>4607772
monosaturated fat is good for you

[Anonymous No.4607968]

>>4607958
Eggs are 61.6% fat
Butter is 99.2% fat

Butter has more fat. You cannot argue facts.

[Anonymous No.4607974]

>>4607968

It doesn't matter who has more, I'm not arguing which is better for you, I'm telling you both are bad for you

[Anonymous No.4607976]

>>4607974
Well that is just stating the obvious then, is it?

[Anonymous No.4607980]

>>4607967

You're thinking of monoUNsaturated fat

[Anonymous No.4607985]

>>4607976

Yeah, but it had to be done as OP implied people who claimed butter was healthy are idiots while also claiming eggs are healthy

[Anonymous No.4607991]

>avoiding sat fat

enjoy your nonexistent testosterone levels

[Anonymous No.4607994]

>>4607991

>meanwhile every Paleo guru takes testosterone injections

[Anonymous No.4608005]

>>4607994
of course, they market that stuff with their bodies.

looking like a 20yo fitness model at 45 is good PR, especially when you say "it's all about this revolutionary diet system, e-book only 19,99 bucks!"

the health industry is a joke and probably does more harm than good to people's overall health

[Anonymous No.4608026]

>>4607994
>>4608005
Stay mad fatties. It's not what you eat that matters but how much. As long as you stay within TDEE you maintain a good looking body. Paleo, Low Fat or any other diet is bullshit. But fat, specifically cholesterol is needed to make testosterone.

[Anonymous No.4608032]

>>4608026
thank you for stating what was explicitly implied

[Anonymous No.4608743]

>>4608026

Hey fatty, the fat on your body isn't the only measure of healthiness

> But fat, specifically cholesterol is needed to make testosterone.

Fat is found in every food, so no problem there. Us, being part of the animal kingdom, also make our OWN cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol is never a positive thing

[Anonymous No.4608767]

>>4607765
Look at this faggot.

[Anonymous No.4608774]

>>4608767

Yeah, what an asshole! If I like to eat it, it HAS to be good for me! Especially if the egg industry tells me it's good!

[Anonymous No.4608777]

>>4607762

> implying

[Anonymous No.4608791]

[Anonymous No.4608816]

>implying America doesn't eat boiled eggs all the fucking time

[Anonymous No.4608821]

>>4607762
I swear the other day I saw a thread about a bunch of people talking about how to avoid using so much butter when frying an egg. Like literally they made it sound like you needed more than a sliver just to coat the pan and anything else. How do these people live? Literally how does someone use a tablespoon of butter for a couple of eggs?

[Anonymous No.4608832]

>>4608821

Yeah, you don't want to add too much cow fat to your chicken fat

[Anonymous No.4608835]

>>4607968
>>4607968
>>4607968
Nobody's gonna call this out?
Butter doesn't have 99.2% fat. That's Ghee or Clarified butter, which has had water and milk protein removed.

Regular butter, commercially produced has around 80% butterfat, whereas homemade can have as little as 50% after straining. If you don't bother to strain it, it is even lower at 36%, as made by heavy cream.

Also

>>4607767
The cholesterol in eggs is low density. low density lipoproteins are the bad ones.
However this can be offset with a diet high in monounsaturated fat, which most commonly found in olive oil. monounsaturated fat can help convert ldls in your blood into hdls, which are good for your cardiovascular system.

The overlying point to my rant is that neither eggs nor butter are THAT bad for you, if the rest of your diet is healthy. The foods you should outright avoid are processed foods with chemicals added for preservation. (looking at you, hydrogen)

[Anonymous No.4608836]

>>4608816
>implying two continents are capable of ingesting food at all

[Anonymous No.4608838]

>>4608835
feels good that there's at least one person other than me on /ck/ who isn't retarded.

[Anonymous No.4608841]

>>4608821
>I have never made hollandaise
2 oz per yolk buddy.

[Anonymous No.4608845]

>>4608838
I don't usually post but this thread got me by the jimmies.

[Anonymous No.4608857]

>>4608835

>don't worry about eating unhealthy things, just drown all your food in olive oil to even it out

[Anonymous No.4608871]

>>4608857
That's not what I said.
I specifically said that monounsaturated fats (like those found in olive oil) help to convert low density lipoproteins (BAD CHOLESTEROL) into high density lipoproteins (GOOD CHOLESTEROL)
Do you need me to explain why one is good and one is bad?

[Anonymous No.4608882]

>>4608871

>this can be offset with a diet high in monounsaturated fat, which most commonly found in olive oil
>a diet high in olive oil

That is what you said. Eating a bunch of fat isn't healthy either

[Anonymous No.4608908]

Murican here. I usually just scramble my eggs or poach them. I don't like using butter or heavy amounts of oil.

Rarely I eat eggs though because they fuck up my stomach.

[Anonymous No.4608921]

>>4607772
I can't stand people like you that treat research from forty years ago as still authoritative.

http://www.more.com/health /healthy-eating/saturated-fat-good

Read it, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4608928]

>>4608743
Do you believe everything they told you in grade school?

[Anonymous No.4608932]

>>4607767
choline in yolks causes arteriosclerosis

[Anonymous No.4608938]

>>4608882
High when compared to the other forms of fat you intake.
fats should make up around 20 to 29% of your macronutrient intake. if 100% of that 20-29% is saturated fat, you are in trouble.
However, if 50% is monounsaturated fat, 20% is polyunsaturated and 30% is saturated, you will be fine since the monounsaturated fats will help keep your ldl levels in check.

to reiterate, I do not advocate chugging a bottle of carapelli to offset the biscuits and gravy you just ate.
What I mean is that of your recommended fat intake, a large portion should be monounsaturated.

[Anonymous No.4608943]

>>4608928
Animals do make their own choldesterol. That's why when you eat an animal, you obtain cholesterol. Humans aren't an exception to the rule.

[Anonymous No.4608950]

>>4607762
>eggs benedict
>better for you than an egg mcmuffin somehow

Hollandaise sauce is just breakfast mayo, man.

[Anonymous No.4608951]

>>4608921

Wow, More Magazine, the authority on nutritional science

I can't stand people who buy into industry propaganda and believe what they want to believe about the shitty foods they love and ignore actual science

http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Truth-about-fats.shtml

Read it, pussy

[Anonymous No.4608955]

>>4608882
Eating a bunch of fat is much better than eating a bunch of refined carbohydrates, which some people equate to eating healthy.

[Anonymous No.4608958]

Who gives a shit how much fat is in eggs? They're fucking eggs. They're tasty and healthy (to an extent, of course).

And also
>implying i eat eggs for breakfast

[Anonymous No.4608963]

>>4608955

Eating fat will make you fat, eating refined carbs will just give you more temporary energy

[Anonymous No.4608967]

>>4608958

>who cares about eggs being unhealthy? they're healthy anyway!

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/egg-yolks-bad-heart-smoking-cigarettes-study-article-1.1138536

You've been conditioned by the culture you grew up in to believe eggs are part of a healthy breakfast.

[Anonymous No.4608971]

>>4608963
>I don't know how digestion and energy storage works

[Anonymous No.4608974]

>>4608971

Carbs are broken down into glucose and carried to the cells to provide energy. Fat is stored in adipose tissues for emergency energy use

[Anonymous No.4608976]

>>4608974
AAAANNDDD??
what happens to unused carbohydrates?

[Anonymous No.4608978]

>>4608963
eating refined carbs spikes blood sugar. Blood sugar causes a rise in insulin production. Eventually, you keep eating refined carbs, your pancreas will flood the bloodstream with insulin. excess insulin promotes fat production.

People still believe the low fat bullshit. Don't worry about fat intake, as long as it is not coupled with processed carbs. Get your protein from natural sources, it will come with a bunch of fat. eat vegetables to round out the meal. Eat oats and other rough grains, they will take care of the cholesterol.

tl;dr body fat is not coupled with dietary fat.

[Anonymous No.4608986]

>>4608976
> YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BRO I NEED THE CARBS IN PIZZA TO SIT ON MY ASS ALL DAY AND DO NOTHING

[Anonymous No.4608990]

>>4608976

Glycogen stores and facultative dietary thermogenesis

>>4608978

People living on white rice aren't fat and don't have blood sugar problems and diabetes like people who live on fatty diets

[Anonymous No.4608991]

>>4608967
eggs are a complete protein. Period. No one thing should be your source of anything. If you are worried about the cholesterol, which you shouldn't if you are eating correctly, just eat whites.

[Anonymous No.4608996]

>>4608991

>eggs are a complete protein. Period.

Okay? What does that have to do with anything? Having protein doesn't mean it's healthy, especially when it's acidic animal protein that ruins your bones

[Anonymous No.4608997]

>>4608990
people don't live on white rice, shithead. if you are talking about asian cultures, the proteins come from fish in its best form, raw. Also, white rice isn't a truly refined carb.

[Anonymous No.4609000]

>>4608996
GOD DAMNIT ANIMAL PROTEINS AREN'T BAD IF YOU BALANCE YOUR DIET. WE ARE FUCKING OMNIVORES, WE ARE BUILT TO PROCESS THEM.

[Anonymous No.4609010]

>>4608990
And high glycogen levels has what effect on your liver and insulin tolerance?

[Anonymous No.4609011]

>>4608990
Glycogen stores are finite. There is not an endless hole in which they are stored. there is excess.

Our problem with carbs comes from REFINED carbohydrates. Corn syrup, processed sugar, white flour. White rice isn't ideal, but still takes much more time for the body to break down. Also, those cultures don't have as many problems with portioning.

[Anonymous No.4609013]

>>4608997

>people don't live on white rice

Yes they actually do, by the billions

>if you are talking about asian cultures, the proteins come from fish in its best form, raw

If you're talking about JAPANESE culture, and even then, just like other asian cultures, meat is what the wealthier people eat, while the healthier, leaner lower class eat almost entirely rice and vegetables

>>4609000

>WE ARE FUCKING OMNIVORES, WE ARE BUILT TO PROCESS THEM.

A carnivore is built to process them. You're built to be able to use them as a temporary source of energy, not as a longterm staple of your diet

[Anonymous No.4609015]

>>4608996
Vegan detected.
go cry into your vitamin supplement crate.

[Anonymous No.4609020]

>>4609015

>point out that vegans live longer and in better health on average
>watch you squirm and struggle to rationalize it

[Anonymous No.4609021]

>>4609013
>thinking there are poor in a first world country

I shiggy diggy ding dang do

[Anonymous No.4609023]

>>4609021

Not as many poor, but coincidentally there's much more fat and unhealthy people

[Anonymous No.4609025]

When I was a young boy, I had an awful case of the stomach flu and ever burp was a vomit-inducing rotten egg taste. Since then, I have been unable to enjoy eggs in any form that isn't heavily mixed with other ingredients.

As for OP, who the hell can't have a polite conversation about cooking? I'm thinking it's less some national tendency towards belligerence as much as you should stop hanging out with assholes.

[Anonymous No.4609027]

>>4609020
oh god wow

you think that being a vegan makes you live longer. fucking no.

Vegans make better health choices overall. They smoke less, exercise more. They are presented with overall healthier food choices. There is nothing you can find that will prove that the vegan diet is what causes this phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.4609029]

>>4609023
what does that prove? only that crap food is made more available.

[Anonymous No.4609032]

>>4609027

>Vegans make better health choices overall. They smoke less, exercise more

And avoid meat and dairy.

[Anonymous No.4609034]

>>4609023
>Corn crops subsidized heavily in the U.S.
>Poor people consume many many products which contain said corn
>Poor people tend to be overweight and unhealthy
>Must be all that meat they're eating

[Anonymous No.4609035]

>>4609029

Crap food being burgers and fried chicken

[Anonymous No.4609038]

>>4609034

>>Poor people consume many many products which contain said corn

I guess you could put it like that. Cows do contain corn in a way, as it's the majority of their diet in factory farms

[Anonymous No.4609048]

>>4609032
I'd like to see the side by side testing.
As in, a group of 10 vegans, and a group of 10 regular people. all of which live an identical lifestyle otherwise. Eating balanced meals appropriate to their size and nutritional needs, exercising daily, mentally stable and healthy, etc.
And then if the vegans still live longer, maybe I'll give a shit.

[Anonymous No.4609055]

>>4609013
>poor
>diet consists mainly of eggs, hot dogs, and fast food
>"lower class eat almost entirely rice and vegetables"

Nigga veggies are for people who have money. Us poor fags eat a lot of meat.

[Anonymous No.4609060]

>>4609048

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgA3T_JF2A#t=11m6s

[Anonymous No.4609062]

>>4609055

Talking asia here. The lower class in the west are pretty fat and sick too with all the meat they eat

[Anonymous No.4609063]

>>4609038
Apparently you're too much of an ignorant dipshit to understand how things work.
go to a store.
look on a label.
you will notice a trend of about 9 in 10 products containing refined corn in one form or another.
you should also notice these products cost less than the ones without refined sugars.
anyone should be able to put 2 and 2 together here and figure out why poor people in the U.S. are overweight.

[Anonymous No.4609067]

>>4609063

High-fructose corn syrup is a manmade substance like trans fats. I'd agree that contributes to obesity and health problems, but isn't entirely to blame obviously, and isn't even representative of other carbohydrates

[Anonymous No.4609075]

>>4609062
It's not that we eat a lot of meat, it's that the meat we consume is of relatively low quality. The cheapest ground beef at walmart just barely passes as sellable I'm sure. Not only that but we cover it in sugar (ketchup) and bread and grease and even more fat (bacon wtf). The chicken people get at any fast food place is an entire chicken and some plastic shit made in to a paste. It's all disgusting, but it's good tasting and cheap most places. At least burger king, because that's all I can afford.

[Anonymous No.4609084]

>>4609067
No, all things considered, and the amount of correlation between price of food v refined sugar content, and obesity v income, I would say that it is indeed mostly to blame.

[Anonymous No.4609086]

>>4609013
>A carnivore is built to process them. You're built to be able to use them as a temporary source of energy, not as a longterm staple of your diet
Then how do you explain that nurturing babies is literally impossible without meat? Vegetables have a too low energy to mass ratio.

[Anonymous No.4609087]

>>4609067
Yeah, most of the blame falls upon that. I have PCOS on top of not making too much money therefore having to eat gross foods. I try to avoid it, but it's pretty hard. As a result I'm overweight. If I ever get a job that pays reasonably I will definitely be changing my diet and start buying better meats/veggies.

[Anonymous No.4609088]

>>4607762
>good versus bad cholesterol
Do the europeans inject eggs directly into their veins now?

[Anonymous No.4609091]

>>4609086
I was under the impression babies were capable of subsisting on dairy for quite a while.

[Anonymous No.4609095]

>>4609086

Nobody eats literally only vegetables, you would die from lack of calories. Fruits, grains, nuts, and other starches exist

[Anonymous No.4609100]

>>4609084

Considering obesity and disease is still a major problem for wealthy people who don't eat foods with HFCS but also eat a lot of meat, I'd say your judgement is clouded

[Anonymous No.4609118]

>eggs benedict vs egg mcmuffin
These are barely the same thing.

>open faced / full sandwich
>poached egg / fried egg
>sauce / no sauce

[Anonymous No.4609125]

>>4609100
wealthy people who don't eat well still ingest alot of HFCS. They simply have more options.

I'd also go as far to say that wealthy obese people live very inactive lifestyles.

[Anonymous No.4609140]

>>4609125

I don't agree with that, but hopefully you can agree that traditional eskimos had a diet with a lot of meat and no HFCS in it. Eskimos are notorious for obesity, heart disease, arterosclerosis, and osteoperosis even before they took on a modern diet

[Anonymous No.4609229]

>>4609035
OH GOD
you are like my roomates girlfriend. tells me that MEAT MAKES YOU FAT and then goes on to eat a pile of oreos.

[Anonymous No.4609233]

>>4609032
find one study that says that a person that consumes a vegan diet is better off because of that vegan diet. All of the studies that I have read find that overall lifestyle is the cause.

[Anonymous No.4609234]

>>4609229

Fat makes you fat. Meat and oreos both have a lot of fat.

[Anonymous No.4609238]

>>4609234
Dietary fat =/= body fat.

[Anonymous No.4609239]

>>4609233

http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/01/31/cancer-proofing-your-body/

[Anonymous No.4609240]

>>4609238

The fat you eat is the fat you wear. It's a routine metabolic process to store the fat you intake as body fat after a meal. Carbohydrates are used immediately, fat is stored

[Anonymous No.4609244]

>>4609239
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgA3T_JF2A
Watch this. I'm a meat-eater btw.

[Anonymous No.4609247]

>>4609239
the standard american diet is not a good test grouping. Nor would be the standard european diet, or any standard first world diet at all.

[Anonymous No.4609254]

>>4609240
you are plain fucking wrong. Your body depends on fats. they are supposed to be a part of your diet. fats and their acids are essential, regardless of the diet you choose.

[Anonymous No.4609262]

>>4609254

Of course they're supposed to be part of the diet, and if you're not eating pure refined sugar and pure refined protein powder, you're going to have fat in your diet. I'm saying excessive amounts of fat don't benefit the body. You don't require very much fat at all, and when you're pouring olive oil all over your food or eating bacon and eggs for breakfast, your body doesn't just say "woah, MORE fat? I'll just keep doing awesome stuff with it! give me all you got!" you store it as fat, and it fucks up your blood lipid levels and causes diseases

[Anonymous No.4609264]

>>4609240
Actually, fats have to be broken down in carbohydrates before they can be metabolized. Carbohydrates may be metabolized more quickly, but it also means they can be converted into fats with less effort than dietary fat. It also means that carbohydrates are more likely to create conditions of "sugar-highs" followed by crashes, which are associated with the development of diabetes.

Long story short, do you think that the olive oil consumed in a salad is immediately placed upon the regions where fats are deposited in the human body? That would mean that some portion of the fat in your body is just olive oil. Dietary nutrients have to be converted into the specific sort of animal fat of the human body.

You're an idiot. I bet you're now going to tell me that you're a nutritionist. Most of them are also idiots.

[Anonymous No.4609265]

>>4609240

Any food is stored as fat if you consume more calories than you burn in a given day. It's how much you consume, not what it is that matters. Eat more calories than you burn and you will gain weight regardless of if that's fat, protein, or carbs.

[Anonymous No.4609268]

>>4609264
>fats have to be broken down in carbohydrates
Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.4609288]

>>4608963
7/10, would have raged more but I'm just not feeling it today.

[Anonymous No.4609294]

>>4609264

>do you think that the olive oil consumed in a salad is immediately placed upon the regions where fats are deposited in the human body? That would mean that some portion of the fat in your body is just olive oil

The kind of fats in your diet determine the kind of fatty tissue you have stored on your body, I'm not saying you eat olive oil and then you get liquid unsaturated olive oil fat jiggling around on your body. You can see how wild salmon has a higher percentage of omega-3 fats than farm-raised salmon due to diet differences

>most nutritionists are idiots. I'm the smartest man in the world and I don't need to do any research to have an opinion on things

I know you like eating shitty foods and you don't want to believe the bad things you like aren't good for you, but you take it a bit far, bro