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Rate your rage on a scale of 1-10.

>> No.4535471

>>4535465

Made you post/10.

>> No.4535483

>>4535465
>my checks are zero after taxes
Taxes are typically a percentage, not a flat rate. If a man took a job knowing he would be making pocket change like that, then he doesn't "deserve" to make any more. His wage is paid for out of the cost of the meal.

That said, if his service is beyond what is included in his job, then a tip would be well-deserved.

>> No.4535515
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4535515

0/10 rage

if you don't like your job get another one. is somebody forcing you to work there? are you not in control of your life?

>> No.4535537

>servers whining about only making $2.18/hr
>doesn't know the employee will pay up to minimum wage if the server doesn't make enough in tips
>expects to be paid more than a minimum wage employee
No rage, I used to be a server and a delivery driver. The drivers are the ones who deserve tips, if they are promptly on time.

>> No.4535547

>>4535465
I'm actually surprised this guy thinks he can deceive people with those lies. He clearly underestimates the intelligence of people.

>> No.4535554

>>4535537

So drivers is the who should get the extra money if he is on time, like what he is supposed to do?

>> No.4535555

Even if that nigger is exaggerating I still bemoan the stupid status of the system and feel sorry for those who are forced to put up with thise shitty exploitative jobs.

>> No.4535558
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4535558

Complaining about 20%? What is the average tip rate anymore? I thought it was like 14%, that's what I do

>> No.4535560

>I make bad decisions and have a job that is essentially worthless, give me charity

How about fuck you lady

>> No.4535567

OPs pic confirmed for truth, for the most part.
I was a server during college, and made $2.35 an hour. My bi-weekly paychecks were around $75. So, in total paid income, I was making $150 a month. The rest of my income was from tips. Luckily, I was a fantastic server, so I usually got good tips, but there were lots of tables who left $2 on a $40-$60 dollar tab, or this one asshole who came in all the time who would leave me a goddamn quarter, on a $25 or so tab. In the end, if you deal with non-tippers most of the time, you wind up paying out instead of making an income. I do however, believe that this is the fault of the restaurant industry and owners, it's a slave labor type of system, and it will never change unless the entire industry supports wage laws that change it.

>> No.4535570

>>4535560
This is the mentality that pervades so much in young people today. They are in for rude awakenings and I feel fine.

>> No.4535573
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4535573

>go for a vacation to a country where it's customary to tip
>just pay the bill and give 0$ tip no matter how good the food/restaurant/waiter/whatever was
and not a single fuck was given.

>> No.4535574

>baww i do a job a slightly trained monkey could do please pay me more

This is why I never tip.

>> No.4535576

>>4535560
Then how about you fuck off and serve your own goddamn food. You're making bad decisions by going out to eat as it is. How about we examine YOUR bad decisions, fuckface?

>> No.4535582

No one cares what any of you think about tipping...it's not like you actually leave your homes.

>> No.4535583

>>4535574
Says the dumbass who's never done the job. It sure is easy to judge people when you have no idea what their jobs entail, isn't it? And what glorious job do you do? Somehow, I suspect it fairly easy, since you seem so uneducated.

>> No.4535584

>>4535515

Hey, spoilt kid, try entering the work place on ground floor some time

>> No.4535585

>>4535576
My bad decisions? I got a degree that meant I could get a job which actually paid me money. Depending on tips is no different from those guys who wash the windscreens of cars in traffic.

>> No.4535589

>>4535583

If the job is hard, isn't rewarding and pays apparently $0 then why do it? Stack shelves at a supermarket instead, you'll get minimum wage.

>> No.4535590

>>4535585
You're a fucking idiot.
Most servers are college kids working to support themselves while they get degrees. I waited tables during college, and can completely relate. Now, I'm a degreed professional working in Project Management. But that doesn't give me the right to shit all over other people, which is what you're doing when you don't tip. You may have gotten a degree, but that doesn't mean you're not fucking trash. Go fucking climb in the dumpster where you belong.

>> No.4535592

>>4535584
I'm not stupid so I have a proper education. I don't need to work shitty jobs because I got some useless arts degree.

>> No.4535593

>those multiple people that stiff me, I pay out of my pocket for you
No, you don't. You will ALWAYS be paid AT LEAST the regular (not tipped) minimum wage. Quit lying to people about the law.

>> No.4535594

>>4535593
False.

>> No.4535596

>>4535554
Yes, because they get paid minimum wage (I did, but I know some pay even less than that) and HAVE to use the gas in their car. And if they're a delivery driver, it probably isn't some nice hybrid that saves a ton on gas. Servers don't use gasoline when walking to and from tables. I'm also not sure where you live, but there were literally hundreds of roads spread across 4 cities that I had to deliver to (small cities, of course). Something else you didn't know is that most drivers are delivering to 3-4 people every time they go out, so they have to choose which route to take to most quickly deliver the food to everyone. Some ways have more traffic at certain times of the day. Some roads are longer or have dick cops.

I'm really not even suggesting that they deserve anything more than the regular 15% tip, but yeah, a dollar or two tip would certainly pay for the gas it took to drive all the way out to bumfuck. Not to mention that some places didn't have roads, so you would literally have to walk on sidewalks or up paths to meet people. I know it doesn't sound like much but it all needs to be done fairly quickly. Finding the right house, ESPECIALLY at nighttime, is very difficult if house numbers are not illuminated.

Servers get no pity from me, but the delivery drivers do.

>> No.4535604

>>4535589
Because most servers make far more than minimum wage when tips are involved. They love to complain though.

>> No.4535605

>>4535465
>tipping based on percentage of the meal cost

Suck: $0
Average: $1-2
Good: $3-4
Great: $5-$10

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>> No.4535607

>>4535594
>I don't know how the minimum wage laws work so you're wrong.
LOL, okay

>> No.4535613

>>4535584
i work boh at a restaurant where the servers can make double what i make, if they're good. yet the bad servers constantly complain about receiving poor tips, only making $20 a night etc. the good servers don't complain because they do their jobs well enough to receive more tips.

i have no sympathy for complaining servers, or anybody that CHOOSES to work for tips and complains about it. all they have to do is sell a product and serve the guests in a timely fashion. if you don't want to work for tips, then get a fucking job where you dont work for tips.

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4535614

>>4535596
Why can't you deliver using scooters? Isn't that cheaper for everybody?

>> No.4535617

What is a service charge? I've always wondered this. Does the service charge not get paid to the people serving?

>> No.4535622

>>4535465

There are some stingy ass people around here evidently who think it is their right to just go to an expensive restaurant and not pay the waiter accordingly.

When my wife and I go eat a 200 dollar meal, we do so knowing it will cost 240 after tip. It's what you're signing up for when you go out to a nice joint. If you can't afford the tip, then you need to act your wage and bring your dates to McD's - which is where you fucking belong.

Also, sounds like that waitress needs to get a new job. The clientele that restaurant is attracting sounds all black.

No rage at the post 0/10.
Rage at the poor fags that think people should wait on them for free 9.5/10.

>> No.4535623

>>4535622
>not pay the waiter accordingly
I'm confused now. Am *I* the waiter's employer?

>> No.4535626

>>4535622
If they restaurant can afford to charge you that much for a meal, why can't they increase the wages of the staff so the customers don't have to forced to tip them?

>> No.4535629

>>4535614

Because who is going to pay for the scooter?

>> No.4535630

>>4535623

When the employer doesn't have to pay the waiter/waitress even minimum wage, the laws are written that way because the customer is obligated to pay - or else look like a poor faggot that doesn't know how society works.

Do you not understand how tipping works? If you don't.. then you should not go out to eat.

>> No.4535631

>>4535614
Those would work in the city but be a pain in the ass at best and outright dangerous at worst in suburban/rural areas.

>> No.4535637

>>4535583
Actually I worked as a waiter through college dipshit so yes I do know what the job is like and I am smarter than you. You lower-middle class scum are hilarious.

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4535638

>>4535465
>Indianapolis

Okay, I'm calling bullshit. Minimum wage in Indiana is $7.25 an hour and has been around that range out here for a long time. I can't say I've ever worked as a server before (and I would never apply to be one), but I never believe it when the little whiners say they only get two bucks an hour. I should not feel entitled to give you extra money just because you sat my plate on the table.

>> No.4535639

>>4535629
The same person who paid for their own delivery car.

>> No.4535640

>>4535558
pls kill self

>> No.4535642

>>4535630
>When the employer doesn't have to pay the waiter/waitress even minimum wage
So, never? Employers ALWAYS have to pay their employees minimum wage. It's the fucking law.

>> No.4535643

>>4535614
I've since moved on from delivery driving, but this wouldn't work for several reasons.

1. Most people who want to be a driver just have a car
2. Most people who want to deliver are probably desperate for money
3. Only in large cities would the gas mileage make up for it. In rural areas, such as my case, I have to drive on empty highways. Could that scooter even get up to 55 mph?
4. The restaurants don't provide them. I would totally have used that scooter. However much it costs, it is probably too pricey for the driver, as well as unsafe. You get hit on a scooter, you dead son.

>>4535617
>service charge
I WISH I knew what that bullshit is about. I hated seeing a $2 delivery fee on the receipt when I delivered pizza, only to find out that I get $0.00 of that. The $2 delivery fee is that the restaurant has employees and they are sending the employees away. That's it. The employee is not there folding boxes or scrubbing pans, they are doing the actual job they are hired for - delivering - and the customer gets charged extra for it, we don't see a dime.

>> No.4535647

>>4535590
I worked retail to support myself in college. Just get yourself a normal fucking job instead of picking the one that pays solely on tips and daring to complain about it.

>> No.4535653

>>4535626

So.. you obviously don't understand the mechanics or economy at work in restaurants.

You pay the waiter, because it means the waiter now has a vested interest in making sure you are happy. If the waiter is just given minimum wage by the restaurant.. you are going to get the level of service out of the waiter, that you get from most of the employees you meet at walmart or mcdonalds. Fine dining establishments with waiters, are not wal mart, and they are not McD's.

It seems some people on this board have lived their lives at walmart and McD's that they no longer understand how anything else could work.

Stay home. We rich, classy folk hate to see you at the steak joint with your wife in flip flops.

>> No.4535654

Pizza delivery is a hazardous job. Why? Black people. And that's why they deserve a tip and not restaurant wait staff.

>> No.4535656

I used to tip before the mad anon in this thread and her entitlement mentality.
Never again.

>> No.4535661

>>4535592
You are a faggot and an entitled douchebag.

>> No.4535663

>>4535653
But the law in Indiana states that ALL employees must be paid MINIMUM WAGE as a starting pay. It CANNOT go lower. If your employer is doing that shit, then he's breaking the law and risking his business.

Besides, think about what you just fucking said.
The waiter does not need to be paid less just to have an incentive to get better tips. Even being paid minimum wage, they're still going to think "Holy shit I just got EXTRA money by smiling! I better be a better server so I can make minimum wage plus EXTRA!"

>> No.4535666
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4535666

When I go out for a meal, I go to eat something different than I would prepare at home or enjoy the company of friends!

I do NOT eat at a restaurant to end up feeling responsible for living standards of the waiting staff . .. I have far more things of my own to worry about, other than YOUR money woes!

I will NOT be intimidated by a 'Gimme - Gimme - Gimme' mentality of some spoilt so and so who expects me to compensate their financial shortcomings.

mfw. I live in a country where if I decide to tip a waiter/waitress they are grateful and see it as a bonus, not a God given expectation!

>> No.4535668

>>4535653

When I see white trash at an expensive restaurant, ESPECIALLY if they are wearing flip flops, I'll throw a 50 at their server and tell him/her to consider the tip taken care of. I just ask that those people get shitty ass service for the rest of the night.

People with no class are the worst and don't deserve fine dining.

>> No.4535672

>>4535605
So... you get great service on a $215 tab: Here is 5 dollars.

>> No.4535673

>>4535590
Did you go to Devry?

>> No.4535675

>>4535672
Why not? It's not like they cooked the food for me. They just brought it over.

>> No.4535678

>>4535663

No. You're wrong. If the expectation is that they are already being paid well, then there is no expectation to tip at all.

And you minimum wage comments are bullshit. There are loop holes for restaurants in the minimum wage laws. Just because you don't understand how it works doesn't mean you are right. Read the article. That waitress gets paid 2.13 an hour. That is well below minimum wage and it is perfectly legal.

>> No.4535679

>>4535643
Yeah, the delivery charge is bullshit. It is a way of getting more money from the customers by way of the drivers. As usual, the people in the middle get screwed.

>> No.4535685

>>4535675

I'm guessing you're black, or you're ok with the fact that you act black.

>> No.4535687

>>4535666

Lol, then stay home or go to McDonalds, because when you use a service of someone, you generally pay them for it.

>> No.4535688

>>4535678
>That waitress gets paid 2.13 an hour. That is well below minimum wage and it is perfectly legal.
And if they do not receive enough tips to reach the regular minimum wage ($7.25/hr) the employer MUST pay the difference. IT'S THE FUCKING LAW.

tl;dr they are getting paid at least the regular minimum wage

>> No.4535690

>>4535678
>taking the word of some college cunt as truth
>no no, people never lie to guilt others into tipping

>> No.4535691

>>4535687
lol, He is. He's paying the owners of the restaurant for a service.

>> No.4535693

>>4535685
I am a simple customer. Just take my order and bring me my food. No need to smile, no need for small talk, no need to constantly watch my table to refill my water. If I have a request, I will call you over. That's it.

>> No.4535694

>>4535687
The person is being paid by their employer.
I am paying their employer.

You don't tip the cashiers at stores, do you?

>> No.4535695

>>4535687

I'm paying the people running the establishment for the service of providing me with food.

>> No.4535697

If McDonalds can pay minimum wage, why can't all these "fancy" restaurants?

>> No.4535698

You obviously don't understand how the economics of a restaurant work IN PRACTICE.

You are fucking over everyone that is nice to you and waits on you. You are a bag of dicks.

>> No.4535700

>>4535465
What I don't understand here is... I recently read some excerpts from federal labor laws dealing with minimum earnings and tips in discussions threads that popped up about the Kitchen Nightmares episode "Amy's Bakery and Cafe". In that episode the owners pocketed the tips given to the servers by customers. The stuff I read indicated that if an employee does not earn enough in tips to make at least minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference. Does this not actually happen in the real world for some reason?

>> No.4535703

>>4535697
They do.

>> No.4535704

>>4535675

Because being a server at a place where a $215 dollar tab is possible means that they:

-Ran all over the place breaking their ass for a fuckton of things at all times if it was at a moderately priced chain.
-Are an expert at the menu and all facets of fine dining, and thus, made your experience MUCH better, be it through wine pairings or recommendations or the dining experience in general. These people are professionals.

If you can afford $215 and get great service in either of these two scenarios, you can afford $260-$270. If you can't, you are a nigger.

>> No.4535705

>>4535697

McDonalds does not employ waiters and waitresses.

McDonalds, because of the shit tier quality of their food, doesn't even really need to employ cooks.

>> No.4535707

>>4535698
I think you mean the restaurant owners are screwing over wait staff. Tipping has always been an optional thing.

>> No.4535708

>>4535694

The cashier is getting paid minimum wage, and is not refilling my drink.

>> No.4535709

>>4535698

Life is tough. Grumpy that you're not getting tipped enough? Go the extra mile and make people want to tip you or get a new job.

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>>4535687
I pay for the service provided when I pay my bill. . . .Or would you suggest I spent half my evening tracking down every employee to pay them a fee for their contribution . . .. from the toilet cleaner, to the guy who delivers potatoes to the kitchen!

The employer is responsible for their employees - Not me!

>> No.4535712

>>4535700
It does. Always has. Always will.

>> No.4535713

If you dont like your job get another one and if your service is very good then you would get good tips.

>> No.4535714

>>4535693
Me too. I really hate over-service and fucking everyone does it here because PLS GIVE ME TIPS PLS.

>> No.4535717

>>4535691
>>4535694
>>4535695

Confirmed for not knowing anything about the service industry. Stay confused.

>> No.4535718

>>4535709

No I'm the guy that said I tip 20% on 200 dollar meals with my wife. I'm a doctor and have a half mill in savings. I'm angry that poor people like you think you are entitled to go out to a nice restaurant, where my wife and I have to look at you in flip flops, and watch you treat other human beings with less respect, than you yourself deserve.

>> No.4535716

>>4535700
>The stuff I read indicated that if an employee does not earn enough in tips to make at least minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference.
This is true.
>Does this not actually happen in the real world for some reason?
It rarely happens, mainly because waiters get tipped like there's no tomorrow, probably nearing $20/hr in some cases.

>> No.4535721

>>4535705
They take an order and bring the food to counter. If you're at Carl's Jr, they even bring it to your table. If the food is bad it's the cook's fault. If the food is good, it is also the cook's fault. The wait staff have not say in how good or bad the food is.

>> No.4535724

>>4535717
I've worked in the "industry" for close to 20 years. I'm not confused.

>> No.4535725

>>4535721
>The wait staff have not say in how good or bad the food is.
So, just like every other restaurant?

>> No.4535728

>>4535594
In America, they must make a least minimum wage no matter what. The company must make up the difference if they don't earn it from tips.

>> No.4535729

>>4535710
That is what tip-out is for. Also, you are simply continuing to screw the people who are in charge of making sure that your food gets to you clean. Retarded.

>> No.4535731

>>4535717
Too bad your country's service industry is literally corrupt. Here waiters don't need to rely on tips to get an adequate wage.

>> No.4535732

>>4535704
Then maybe the restaurant owner should be paying a higher wage for said knowledge. You know like most other jobs.

>> No.4535734

Funny thing is, your average retail job (WalMart, Kroger, dollar stores, etc) pay you minimum wage no matter what, unless you get a raise, and people still complain about not making enough waiting tables.

Just get a job at a store if you hate waiting so much. My first job was in the floral department of a store, and I adored it. I've never bothered working restaurants, and I would never dare give those self entitled fucks money they barely worked for.

"Oh boo hoo I carry food out to tables for six hours"

Well I unloaded trucks and restocked shelves of fuck-heavy bananas and corn all day with only the occasional "Can I get a bouqet of flowers for my girlfriend?" or "I need a balloon for a little kid" to keep me going in lieu of tips I probably deserve more than you.

>> No.4535735

>>4535718
I'm the president of the US and I don't tip because of my race.

>> No.4535736

>>4535724
I'm not talking about prostitution.

>> No.4535737

>>4535718

You only have 500 grand in the bank and you think you're rich?Ha, new money, never change.

>> No.4535738

>>4535725
Yes, so why is wait staff demanding a higher tip for a more expensive meal?

>> No.4535741

>>4535724

>Works in the "industry" for 20 years

Yeah right. You have no stock to trade in this thread anymore.

>> No.4535743

You waiters and waitresses make me sick. Ive worked many jobs where it was customary to tip, and I thanked every fucking customer wether it was a shit tip or not. Get the fuck over yourselves or go get a different job. Your not being held at gunpoint at your shit tier job ya know.

>> No.4535745

>>4535731
>>4535732

True, but then you get charged more, and you don't get to decide based on the quality of service. It is a service to the customer.

>> No.4535740

>>4535738
because they're greedy jews

>> No.4535746

>>4532542

Gee I haven't seen this thread before

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>>4535729
So it's a form of Blackmail is it? . .. .Pay me an extra Tax-Free cash sum or I spit in your soup???

Don't be so ridiculous!

>> No.4535752

What do you guys think would happen if I told a restaurant I didn't want a server? Legitimate question.

>> No.4535753

>>4535483

Servers are taxed on their tips as well, so their base pay after taxes is often 0 or less.

>> No.4535755

>>4535743

So mad...

>> No.4535757

>>4535558

15 was standard, except with the server wage being frozen for decades it's now 20%.

>> No.4535758

>>4535729
Have fun being fired and/or sued while the restaurant gets shut down once it's found out.

>> No.4535759

>>4535745
You can decide by not going back to the restaurant if the service is bad. Or talk to a manager.

>> No.4535761

>>4535647

The pay for servers is tips. Please stop pretending you're not just stealing service when you don't tip.

Don't want to tip? Order take-out.

>> No.4535762

>>4535753
You are not taxed on money given to you unofficially in cash, at least not in America. It's called being paid under the counter. This also applies to paying babysitters and such.

>> No.4535764

>>4535749

Next time you go to a restaurant, just tell the server that you will not be requiring his/her services... then you won't have to worry about this.

>> No.4535765

>>4535758
At least then you can fuck the faggot for not paying you enough. Isn't that how capitalism works?

>> No.4535766

I wish there were higher end buffets so I don't have to deal with wait staff.

>> No.4535767

>>4535761
And if I go out with people?
Im not paying some fuckwit just for bringing me my food. They didn't cook that shit or make my soda from scratch or do much at all for me.

Yeah, I'll tip if my server was /amazing/ (which is rare), but not if they did the bare minimum.

>> No.4535768

>>4535718
I'm angry at you too for feeling entitled to devide what kind of people go to the same restaurants as you and also expecting them to throw away their money at waiters.

>> No.4535769

>>4535752

They would tell you to get out because you aren't allowed in the kitchen to get your own food, you don't know how to operate the order/billing software, you don't know where the cups, ice, or drinks are.. and they shouldn't have to train you how to use their restaurant. You should pay one of their TRAINED wait staff to help you. That is how a restaurant runs efficiently. What do you think most sit down restaurants would look like without waiters? People running all over the place confused as fuck? Chefs handling money and drink refills and never getting any food out?

>> No.4535771

>>4535766
There are, but if you don't live in the city you probably won't see them.

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4535773

>>4535764
Thank heavens I live in England, where the waiting stuff aren't such a bunch of whinging cry-babies!

>> No.4535774

>>4535757
Except food prices (which tips are based on) have risen, faster than inflation even. Servers demanding larger tips are DOUBLE douchebags.

>> No.4535776

Some of you people really get worked up about this.
Me? I'm drunk and forget what side I'm trolling.
Stay gay, /ck/

>> No.4535777

>>4535762
Ex-server for Pizza Hut here.

If you clocked in as a server, when you clocked out the system asks you to report how much money you made in tips. Your paycheck at the end of every two weeks is then adjusted to take out the taxes for what you reported.

>> No.4535778

>>4535759
Absolutely you can... and the owners know this. So, instead of charge you more, he lets you decide what to pay for service, because he knows that he can get out of the extra cost because of the "tipping is stupid" crowd. So the servers get screwed, because the owners know that people will consider it optional and not pay. This is how most low paying jobs work. Owners cheap out, people don't want to pay more, and so the workers get screwed. Then, if the workers go on strike because they can't pay their bills on 300 per week, they are "lazy".

>> No.4535779

>>4535768
>I'm angry at you too for feeling entitled to devide what kind of people go to the same restaurants as you

Then you should make more money at a different job. (huh.. does this argument sound familiar?)

>> No.4535780

>>4535769
You're acting like it's hard to walk into the kitchen and get your food from the chef. I can bring my own water.

>inb4 BUT REFILLS ARE WHERE THE COMPANY GETS THEIR MONEY FUCK YOU FOR FUCKING OVER THE COMPANY MUH SYSTEM

>> No.4535783

>>4535778
Other non-tipping countries don't seem to have a problem with this.

>> No.4535785

This is why Japan is great. Good service based on pride of your work and no tips!

>> No.4535786

>>4535642
Guess what happens if they have to keep making up the bulk of the waiters wages if they don't make enough tips?

They get fired. Usually fairly quickly, because the employee is costing the company money.

>> No.4535788

>>4535773
Are you a Paki?

>> No.4535789

>>4535786
Then why are you blaming the customer for the restaurant owners being a douchebag?

>> No.4535791

>>4535780

No inb4 here man. refills are for fat fucks and I couldn't give two shits.

My amusement comes at the point where you think it is even legal for you to step foot inside the service areas of a restaurant.

lols. you actually think sit down restaurants would work just fine without watiers and waitresses. hahahahah. i shiggy that diggy twice.

>> No.4535792

>>4535783
Like which countries? Would it happen to be a country with a large welfare net?

>> No.4535794

>>4535791
Why can't you have a service window and a number? Who said you should walk into a kitchen?

>> No.4535796

>>4535780
>>I can bring my own water.

>>Confirmed for poor fag that should be at home eating beans and rice.

Stay home bro. Stay home.

>> No.4535798

America, where poor people subsidize other poor people.

There really isn't a shittier western democracy on the map.

>> No.4535799

>>4535675
So you send a tip back to the kitchen then? I cook your food for you and I have yet to see a tip.

>> No.4535800

>>4535773
ItaliAnon here.
I live in the states and have spent extensive amounts of time in the UK (England, Jersey and North Ireland).
I like tipping culture. Slightly below average waitservice in the US is far superior to good waitservice in the UK. Furthermore, while the quality of better dining either nation is comparable, it is generally cheaper in the US than the UK, even with 20% tip.
I'm all for tips. Same food. Better service.

>> No.4535801

>>4535465
OP here. 121 posts in under an hour and I haven't even read my own thread. And won't.

>nb4 lol i troll u

u mad?

>> No.4535806

>>4535785

LOL

>> No.4535807

>>4535799
Maybe I should. They deserve it more than the wait staff.

>> No.4535802

>>4535789

the restaurant owner isn't being a douchebag. the customer not tipping is. this is just how it works. that is the proper course of action for a restaurant owner.

>> No.4535803

>>4535796
>implying water is not free at restaurants too
what.

>> No.4535804

>>4535791
Mcdonalds does it.

>> No.4535805

>>4535779
Not at all. Shunning people who beg for money isn't the same as shunning not dressed to your liking.

>> No.4535808

>>4535786
>Guess what happens if they have to keep making up the bulk of the waiters wages if they don't make enough tips?
They raise prices to pay their employees a fair wage?
>They get fired.
Yep, what a great race to the bottom we've set up with the tipping system.

>> No.4535810
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4535810

>>4535788
>Are you a Paki?
No!!!

>> No.4535811

>>4535800
Thank you for your honesty. Non-faggots like you keep me working for a better tomorrow.

>> No.4535812

>>4535794

Because if you had a service window and a number you would be at a deli - where you don't tip people.

We are talking about restaurants where you are supposed to tip people. Sit down places where people take your order.

If you don't want to tip people, then you should eat at delis.

Have fun impressing your women at McD's.

>> No.4535813

>>4535792
>US doesn't have a huge welfare net
lol, okay

>> No.4535816

>>4535812
I tip people at delis. They actually do real work.

>> No.4535814

>>4535804

McDonalds does not even serve food. The serve food like products that have been microwaved. Don't confuse the two types of restaurants. You might end up eating at a place you don't belong.

>> No.4535815

>>4535810

You sound like one.

>> No.4535818

>>4535807
This. Waitstaff does easy, mundane shit. A chef must be skilled. But even then, I shouldn't have to tip any of them because I'm already paying for the food. A decent company would PAY their staff. Should I be tipping my cashier at the grocery store? No, because their employer pays them.

>> No.4535819

>>4535812
You're confused. That's the whole point. Finding ways to still eat restaurant food but without all tipping.

>> No.4535820

>>4535814
Mcdonalds doesn't use microwaves.

>> No.4535821

>>4535813
Not like most industrialized countries, it doesn't.

>> No.4535822

>>4535816

Well then you're a sucker, because they're not even working for tips.

>> No.4535824

>>4535822
All the better. I can't abide beggars.

>> No.4535825

>severs bitching about tips
Faggots please. I understand it's frustrating when someone stiffs you, but every server I know (and I live in a college town so I know a lot) makes hella more than I do, and I make $9 an hour.

>> No.4535827

>>4535821
Except it does. Not saying that it's anywhere near as effective though.

>> No.4535829

>>4535819

I'm not confused. If you want a dining experience that doesn't include wait staff.. then there are plenty of fast food joints for you to enjoy.

If you want to go to a place with wait staff... then you have to tip.

You are confused. You aren't the restaurant owner.. you don't get to decide how the business runs or what the dining experience should be of the patrons.

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4535830

>>4535800
Depends where you go for food service, the insincerity of American waiting staff irritates me, as it's so blindingly obvious they expect a tip, for their cheesy talk and painted smile.

But you must agree that staff in a non-tipping country are GENUINELY grateful and pleased if they receive a tip, rather than expecting me to supplement their income?

>> No.4535831

>>4535829
>If you want to go to a place with wait staff

But I don't.

>> No.4535832

>>4535824

If you only eat at deli's then good. No one wants to see low class filth like you at nice places.

>> No.4535833

>>4535829
>then you have to tip.
No.
I don't.

>> No.4535834

>>4535824

>person who wants service for free
>not a beggar

You can only pick one.

>> No.4535835

>>4535831

Then why are you posting in a tipping thread?

Oh yeah... you're a lonely faggot.

>> No.4535836
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4535836

I'm confused, why would people go reat lengths to give a huge tip like 30 - 50 bucks for the waiter. When the cook/check is the one preparing the food.

The waiter is only bringing you the food, granted they did some work as in bring the food to the table and your drinks and be around when you want a refill, but that's it. The cook did most of the work. Restaurants need to change how they paying the waiters.

I don't mind tipping but i'm not going to give a waiter anything over a 20 especially when they didn't do shit, must be why i don't go out much. Tipping gotten out of hand

>> No.4535837

>>4535832
For a doctor, you sure have a limited vocabulary.

>> No.4535838

>>4535834
The service cost should be included in the meal cost.

>> No.4535840

>>4535834
I have never walked out on a bill. That's illegal and immoral.

>> No.4535841

>>4535835
No need to try to troll, you sad, sad person.

>> No.4535843

>>4535827
My point is that the owners will always try to be cheaper, and the customers will always try to pay less. Therefor, the worker in the middle will always be buttfucked.

>> No.4535844

>>4535837

And you sound like you probably have a very limited budget.

>> No.4535845

>>4535833
Then they don't have to do their job. Seems fair.

>> No.4535846

>>4535843
>Therefor, the worker in the middle will always be buttfucked
Only in a system where part of the worker's pay is optional (e.g. a tipping system).

>> No.4535847

>>4535838

So you want to have to pay for service no matter whether it is good or bad?

You sound brilliant.

>> No.4535848

>>4535844
Doesn't everybody?

>> No.4535849

>>4535838
>>4535840

But it isn't, clearly. So, knowing this, we conclude that:

>> No.4535851

At the place I work currently (kitchen staff, servers here are all young girls with nice breasts) we have a service window that the waitresses pick the food up from and bring it maybe twenty feet at most to the table. Most of the time the waitresses can't seem to read or remember anything, and one of the kitchen staff end up baby sitting the waitresses to make sure they pick up the right food, which isn't any worse than a customer getting the food. We could definitely operate without a serving staff at all, besides someone to handle the money. The waitresses are just there for eye candy.

I hardly ever tip, no matter how well I'm being paid at the time or how nice a restaraunt I go to. (Besides pizza delivery drivers, who I've discovered get fucked hard by their shitty employers).

>>4535834
If minimum wage is good enough for the kitchen it's good enough for the servers.

>> No.4535852

>>4535841

Who's trolling the tolls though?

>> No.4535853

>>4535845
That's between them and their employers. I suspect they won't last long, however.

>> No.4535856

>>4535846
It isn't optional, it is conditional... There is a big difference.

>> No.4535858

>>4535847
A worker's wage is the employer's problem.

>> No.4535860

>>4535851

Your whole post is a cup and a half of wat.

>> No.4535859

>>4535847
I pay for my cashiers service whether it's good or bad. This applies to a fuckton of other services.

>>4535849
We can conclude that the system needs to change.

>> No.4535861

>>4535851

You sound jealous of people making minimum wage. What a shitty existence you must live.

>> No.4535862

>>4535856
>It isn't optional
Which law mandates that I tip?

>> No.4535863

>>4535778
You still fail to understand the concept of minimum wage and the laws surrounding it.

>> No.4535866

>>4535716
>It rarely happens, mainly because waiters get tipped like there's no tomorrow, probably nearing $20/hr in some cases.
So basically, they ARE making over minimum wage and pretty damn good money in most cases and the servers that complain like this are just pissed 'cause they're not making even more... I can understand being miffed at people that don't tip or way under tip, but if you're making 2x minimum wage plus then just realize some deadbeats come with the territory and STFU with your whining. amirite?

>> No.4535869

>>4535465
Americans are the most self entitled and greedy people out there. It's fucking pathetic.

>> No.4535870

>>4535859
>I pay for my cashiers service whether it's good or bad. This applies to a fuckton of other services.

But you don't pay for your waiter/waitresses... You're a lovely person who clearly has this all figured out.

>> No.4535872

>>4535859

So if you got charged an extra $10 on a $40 dollar tab at every restaurant, you would be cool with that. Wow, that is big of you.

>> No.4535873

>>4535861
But I make minimum wage most of the time? I'm in college I don't give a fuck.

>>4535870
Are you trying to say that the employers don't pay their serving staff?

>> No.4535874

>>4535863
Yawn. I don't think so... but maybe you are right.

>> No.4535875

>>4535870
I pay for their service IN MY BILL. I do not tip them. You clearly do not have it figured out.

>> No.4535878

>>4535830
I wouldn't know.
I've never tipped in a non-tipping country. I grew up in Italy and Switzerland and both have a minor service charge appended to meals and/or an optional tip.
Service is rather poor in both.

The only nations to which I've traveled where tipping is not expected and service is good are all in Asia, except Iceland. Those Icelanders, lemme tell ya: very pleasant. The very worst is EVERY former communist nation of Eastern Europe except Poland, Croatia and Bulgaria with Ukraine (excepting Crimea) and Russia being exceptionally fucking awful. Waitstaff is openly hostile, rude and unpleasant, even if you speak Russian/Ukrainian and/or are a local/native.

I don't mind the false pleasantries. It's no different than department store shopping and the attendants/sales people there. I'm okay with sycophantic behaviour exhibited by service staff. Really, who does it harm?

I'll say this, though: if a member of staff in the UK does strike up a conversation and pleasantries, I've never gotten the impression that it was done so sycophantically, so you've got me there.

>>4535811
I think tipping is the better system, is all.

>> No.4535879

>>4535875
No you are paying about 2 bucks an hour to that person if that is what you do. That is the cost structure that the restaurant assumes.

>> No.4535880

>>4535810
he must be polish chav then

>> No.4535881

>>4535879
>That is the cost structure that the restaurant assumes.
Maybe they should stop assuming that.

>> No.4535883

>>4535879
....What? I was talking about cashiers you dumb troll.

>> No.4535884

>>4535873

I think it is hilarious to watch this in action:

+I don't want to tip!
-Well, it is a service that you should pay for.
+The employers should pay!
-They don't pay very well.
+They will at least be paid minimum wage!
-Would you serve for minimum wage?
+No, but they should get a better job!
-But somebody will have to work the job.
+[butthurt]

You are advocating a practice that you wouldn't do yourself because you know people like you make the job suck ass. I can see that we have a lot of conservatives in the room.

>> No.4535885

>>4535881

Why? Because a small minority of assholes, like yourself, feel ok with ripping them off?

I like the tipping system. It's called the honey pot. It's a nice little tempting thing that bad people are allowed to do. But once they've done it, everyone knows what sort of cunt they are.

>> No.4535886

>>4535884
>Would you serve for minimum wage?
no; but i know mexicans that would do it without bitching about tips every 5 seconds, and minimum wage.
no one is forcing you to work shit jobs.

>> No.4535888

>>4535884
>expecting restaurants to pay their staff is unreasonable
Nope. Every other establishment pays their own staff, but foodservice seems to think it's not necessary.

>> No.4535891

>>4535774

No, they haven't. Food is much cheaper than in 1977.

>> No.4535890

>>4535762

Yes, you are. Being paid under the counter is illegal.

Most servers will under declare their tax tips. Credit cards have a paper trail, so they're always declared. Not declaring tips is income tax evasion.

>> No.4535893

>>4535885
>Why? Because a small minority of assholes, like yourself, feel ok with ripping them off?
I cook nearly all of my own food. I'm an asshole now?

Give up.

>> No.4535894

>>4535886

Inb4 you also post about mexican's taking your jobs.

>> No.4535897

>>4535890
>Being paid under the counter is illegal.
It is not, but it's associated with illegal work. If this were illegal and taxable, all the kids you paid to mow your lawn should be arrested and forced to pay taxes. So long as it's not "official", it's totally legal.

>> No.4535900

>>4535884
Would you pay anyone more than minimum wage for serving?

>> No.4535905

>>4535886

So you are willing to not create a condition that you would be comfortable with because you know that there are people unfamiliar enough with the way things are done or not used to making a living wage. Let me guess: you have never had to work.

Btw, I don't work a shit job, but I have in the past, and thus, know that feel. You are a child.

>> No.4535906

>>4535900

I do all the time. Any job done well is a job that someone should be paid well for.

>> No.4535903

>>4535893

You are a lonely asshole with no life if you cook all your own food and you are posting in a tipping thread.

You've previously stated that you dine at restaurants and don't tip. You're wrong. You know you're wrong. You're wicked butthurt, and so now you will result to claiming you were just trolling.

>> No.4535904

>>4535888

And the law agrees with them, which is why server min wage is specifically lower than every other establishment.

>> No.4535910

>>4535900

If they did more than a minimum wage job, absolutely... Why is this even a question?

>> No.4535911

>>4535753
1. You're required to report all tips to the employer who is required to report them to uncle Sam along with the employer paid wages. I don't know how much of this actually happens, but I'm not sure it really matters because
2. I'd be willing to bet that these days it's a relatively small percentage of people who pay cash at restaurants any more. Any tips received via credit/debit card payments definitely get reported and taxes, 'cause they're on the restaurant's books and easily trackable by the gubmint.

So I don't really believe there's that much "tax free under the table" money changing hands any more.,

>> No.4535907

>>4535904
OH WOW, THE LAW AGREES. THAT OBVIOUSLY MAKES IT RIGHT. SHIT GUYS EVERYONE GIVE UP, THE LAW IS HERE.

>> No.4535912

>>4535910
Because it isn't a more than minimum wage job.

>> No.4535913

>>4535907

The law wouldn't even have to be there if it weren't for faggots like you.

>> No.4535914
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4535914

>>4535903
Welcome to the bottom of the pyramid.

>> No.4535915

>>4535897

Please tell me you do your own taxes. Legally anyone making over 900 a year has to declare their income. There's no such thing as 'unofficial' wages.

>> No.4535918

>>4535912

Never worked detected

>> No.4535919

>>4535911
I actually meant to reply to >>4535762

>> No.4535922

>>4535912

Can you define a "more than minimum wage job?"

You do realize that all human beings, are infact still human beings.. no matter what job they work. And that anyone working any job, is spending their precious time on this earth doing that job?

Who the fuck are you to say some people should be paid less and some should be paid more?

Sure there are skilled and unskilled jobs, and the skilled version has less supply of workforce and that drives wages up. But who the fuck do you think you are telling someone that is spending their live providing you a service that their time is not worth minimum wage?

It's hilarious that the entitled folk that don't tip, will call the waiters and waitresses entitled for wanting at least minimum wage.

>> No.4535923

>>4535918
I have to thank >>4535914 for posting that so I didn't have to.

>> No.4535925

>>4535914

Right.. because the post I was replying to deserved anything more than that.

>> No.4535926

>>4535905

I has nothing to do with being uncomfortable. It has to do with demand for work and need for money. There are jobs to fit all ends of the spectrum, and even if you or I are unwilling to do a certain job (for whatever reason) that doesn't mean that there would be others who would gladly do it.

For example: child care. You couldn't pay me enough to deal with young children. I would turn down $500k a year to work daycare. The only thing that would motivate me to do that kind of job would be if it was required for survival. However, I know several people who love kids and volunteer to work with kids for free.

>> No.4535927

>>4535923

Why are you telling me that?

>> No.4535929

>>4535905
>implying i haven't worked a shit job.
sorry i'm not an self entitled white person you think i am.

the fact is, you go into the job knowing the job requirements and pay. customers shouldn't have to supplement your income.

>> No.4535936

>>4535884
You're probably trolling but why do you see a problem with servers being paid by their employers like any other job?

>>4535904
Common misconception, tipped employees must at least make minimum wage after tips are factored in, or the employers will pay them extra.
I've heard cases of employers firing their servers if they don't make enough tips, but that's just an asshole employer.

>>4535911
This is a bit off topic, but in American outside of large cities, I don't see a lot of the Chip and PIN machines. I'll pay in cash if the server doesn't bring one of those machines to me, because I'm not giving them my card.

>> No.4535939

>>4535923
>>4535914

As if name calling makes someone wrong. Do you even logic?

>> No.4535941

>>4535929

The customer supplement is the pay you know going in, you fucking aspie idiot.

>> No.4535945
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4535945

>>4535925
>>4535939
shush...no more tears, only dreams now

>> No.4535947

>>4535897
I have to commend you on the confidence which which you spew completely false, erroneous statements.

>> No.4535949

>>4535945

So i post "you will now claim trolling" because you've been proven wrong..

...And you post "butt paste"

Really? Is that the best you've got?

>> No.4535950

>>4535922
Hold your horses,
>Can you define a "more than minimum wage job?"
>their time is not worth minimum wage?
I'll assume you made a mistake there as you do with your constant misuse of entitled.

Regarding the first statement about defining a "more than minimum wage job" is simply a job that requires more skill than a minimum wage job, which you, yourself seem to agree with.
You then went on to say that waiters don't get minimum wage which just isn't true.

I don't see why you're so upset about this.

>> No.4535951

>>4535926

That isn't exactly what we are talking about though. I'll bet you that I could find an african kid to do dangerous labor for a bowl of rice a day. It seems like an incongruity with modern society to expect that this example be followed. Shit, I bet you could have slaves if you got them out of their home countries... it still isn't within the bounds of civilized behavior.

>> No.4535957

Get a better serving job then. I get $9/hr + tips and it does fine for a second job.

>> No.4535958

>>4535936
I don't have a problem with that; it isn't the way things are done, however, and I guarantee people would be happier with the current system.

>> No.4535954

Does anyone know how really high-end restaurants pay their servers? (French Laundry, etc) I can't imagine they're making $2.13 (and in the case of TFL, the bill says "service included, although people tip anyway)

>> No.4535955

>>4535945

You're definitely leaving me feeling unsatisfied. It's all good. One good turn deserves another. It's how I left your mom feeling last night.

>> No.4535959

>>4535825
I make $14 an hour and the servers always take home more money than I do if there's more than 20 people eating in the restaurant in a night

>> No.4535961

>>4535950

It's not a minimum wage job.

Why are you going to restaurants that clearly pay their servers via tips and not paying them? Why are you going to restaurants besides diners where servers are making more than minimum wage if you don't wish to purchase their service through tipping?

>> No.4535963

I live in Japan and even part-time high school students make minimum $7/hr at any restaurant. Fast food or fancy. Tips are not accepted here either. The food is also quite cheap/reasonable.

Get your shit together, 'murica.

Its not my job to PAY you for your work. Thats your employers job. You are there to SERVE me.

>> No.4535964

>>4535949
Let's go back to the original post.
>You've previously stated that you dine at restaurants and don't tip.
I never made such a statement. The rest of the post is petty name calling.

>>4535955
>You're definitely leaving me feeling unsatisfied.
>It's how I left your mom feeling last night.
Couldn't keep it up? Or maybe you were a bit quick on the draw?

>> No.4535967

>>4535963
fail

>> No.4535968

>>4535963
>Its not my job to PAY you for your work.

I don't think you understand how buying things works. Go back to weeaboo land.

>> No.4535973

>>4535947
Thanks. It never seems to fail at riling people up.

>> No.4535974

>>4535964
>Or maybe you were a bit quick on the draw?

It's not my fault - everytime she calls out your name while I'm balls deep in her hallway of a cunt I just lose it.

>> No.4535977

>>4535961
Yeah, apparently they get more than minimum wage with the tips.

Because I can get away with it, you got a problem with that?

>> No.4535980

>>4535974
>while I'm balls deep in her
You're that small, eh?

>> No.4535982

>>4535977
>Because I can get away with it, you got a problem with that?

Yeah, you're basically just stealing from every other customer of the restaurant in that case. Stay home, you cheap miserable loser.

>> No.4535993

>>4535982
>loses out
>calls others miserable
lol

>> No.4535994

>>4535980

It's a hotdog down a hallway - when you were born, was there an echo for your first cry? Your mom's vagina is so big Michalangelo painted the ceiling.

>> No.4535997

>>4535993

>constantly served tampered food
>thinks he's pulling one over on the world

I bet you think stealing from the take a penny jar makes you hard core too.

>> No.4535999

>>4535994
So she was the best you could do? And here I thought that *I* was the ugly loser.

>> No.4536007

>>4535999

You should be pretty, your head wasn't squeezed at birth.

Because your mom has a huge gaping vagina.

>> No.4536015

>>4535997
>assuming I go to the same restaurant day in, day out
>making unreasonable insults while trying to retain the moral high ground
lol

>> No.4536032

Your mom orders her steak well-done with a side of ranch

>> No.4536069

>>4535666
YOU have the luxury of being a completely ignorant asshole. Hope you enjoy that. You fucking dim bulb piece of shit.

>> No.4536070

>>4535668
Agreed. 100%.
There's no accounting for taste and class.

>> No.4536072

>>4535668
>lying on the Internet
You're a faggot.

>> No.4536073
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>>4535607
YOU don't know how the restaurant industry and it's own laws work, so STFU.

>> No.4536077

>>4536073
>restaurant industry and it's own laws
They cannot write their own laws. Did you fail civics class?

>> No.4536078

>>4535637
Oh yes, I can see how SMART you are by your intelligent use of language. What's your degree in, genius? Are you making six figures yet? Doubtful. Did daddy and mommy pay for your mediocre education so you could get a job at daddy's company? You ignorant, uppity, useless morons make me sick.

>> No.4536083

>>4535647
Oh really? I have a deep seated feeling you're either a fucking liar or a moron. The reason so many college students get jobs as waitstaff is because those jobs can work around a class schedule. If you don't realize that, then you must not have actually gone to a real university with standards. "Normal" jobs don't necessarily allow for that. A very few do, but most don't. You did the minimum.

>> No.4536084

I love how both sides keep calling the others ignorant while never informing them with any real facts.

>> No.4536085

>>4535673
What the fuck is Devry?

>> No.4536087

>this thread
>mountains of mad

erry time.

>> No.4536089

>>4536077
>implying civics class has anything to do with restaurant regulations.

Keep trying to graduate, honey, you'll get out of high school one day.

>> No.4536091

>>4536087
I know. That's why I created it.

>> No.4536110

>>4536089
AAAAAAND...we're back here >>4535914

>> No.4536111

>>4535922
Are you forgetting the part where any unskilled high school student has the potential to be waitstaff? What seriously makes you think that they qualify for anything besides minimum wage?

What cracks me up are the 24-38 somethings that never bettered themselves so they complain that they don't make enough money as a server to support their style of living.

>> No.4536117

>>4535465
11/10. This absolute coward and all of her ilk support the douchefag restraunters who have rigged the system to pay them less than a living wage, expecting their customers to pay it for them. For Shame.

>> No.4536119

If I am not going to be a regular costumer, I do not tip at all. Yea, I deserve to die.

>> No.4536134

>>4536117
>speaks out openly in a newspaper
>calls her a coward

Keep on being trolly, you fucking idiot.

>> No.4536142

>>4536134
Oh look its the same bitch who has been defending tipping this whole thread. She is a coward because she should be demanding a living wage from her, oh I don't know, EMPLOYER maybe?

>herp the faggoty derp

>> No.4536148

>>4536142
Do you know any other words besides "coward", you dumbass piece of shit? Or do you really think that's the height of insult? Go back to your trailer and think about what you've done.

>> No.4536157

>>4536148
Oh look, logical fallacy. Massively surprised to see that from you.
>Implying you have any power over anywhere

Rage harder, fagtard.

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>>4536157
So, you have no actual argument other than your own ignorant, shitposting, neckbearded opinion, but yet you choose to try and call others out on logical fallacies? What kind of mushroom-living-on-shit faggot are you? Here's a helpful guide for dumbasses like you.

>> No.4536171

Fuck the restaurant business.

Tipping promotes corruption. I won't take part in that. NO TIPPING. Enjoy your zero dollars, slavefags.

>> No.4536172

>>4536166
You are guilty of the fallacy fallacy.

>> No.4536174

Britfag here going to Hawaii in a few weeks, first time in US.

So how much should I actually tip? And do I have to tip barmen for pouring me a drink?
In my cuntry I tip if the waiter/waitress has put effort in, not as standard or for shit service.

>> No.4536176

>>4536085
Must of gone to Phoenix then

>> No.4536178

I don't undertstand tipping. Your job is to bring serve me my food and drinks. Why should I pay your salary? The restaurant owner should do that, not me.

If a restaurant really can't afford to pay waiters so they have to rely on tipping, it's a probably a crap restaurant anyway. And why would anyone ever take a job like that?

"so how much money do you earn a month?"
"i don't really know, it varies, anything from 0-1000 i guess, depends on how much my customers tip"

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>>4536172
You are guilty of being a bad poster.

>> No.4536180

>>4536174
$1 per drink is the norm.

>> No.4536182

>>4536179
>You are guilty of being a bad poster.
I guess we'll be cellmates in the interweb prison.

>> No.4536183
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>people still think the US service system is the global standard

silly murrikans

>> No.4536184

>>4536180
>>>4536174
>$1 per drink is the norm.

If you stay in a bar most the night is it acceptable to give a bigger tip at the end of the night as opposed to with every trip to the bar?

>> No.4536185

>>4536178
>And why would anyone ever take a job like that?
See>>4536083
or the multitude of other reasons why people would rather work than be on the government's tit like you.

>> No.4536188

>>4536176
And....what the fuck is Phoenix? I've never lived in Arizona. I guess I'm just out of whatever faggy loop your in.

>> No.4536192

>>4536188
They are making fun of crappy for profit vocational schools.

>> No.4536194

What I don't understand is percentage tips. If I order a burger or an expensive steak, it doesn't make it any harder to carry it to my table...

>> No.4536195

>>4536188
2/10

>> No.4536196

>>4536185
I was talking about a job where your salary relies on tipping. You can work an entire night without earing more than what it takes you to ride the bus home.

I don't know what you mean by that last thing you wrote, but I do not live in the usa and I have a job.

>> No.4536200

>>4536192
Oh. I have no clue about vocational schools. I went to Duke.

>> No.4536203

>>4535604
Exactly. The Choose a job that pays in tips because they know they can (note CAN) make serious bank on it...if they are any decent with the rough and tumble world of plate carrying. If they can't and get shitty tips, instead of choosing something that would give them a wage no matter how cunty they act, like data entry, they will instead complain that they somehow "Deserve" more.

Bitch, if you really deserved more, you'd get more. No one is arguing against paying a server who does a damn good job and provides excellent service, but you aren't getting extra for doing the minimum.

>> No.4536206

>>4536196
So, you're summarily commenting on a system that you, yourself, know nothing about. Well, that's.....stupid.

>> No.4536209

>>4536182
I'm on top, bitch!!!

>> No.4536213

>>4536209
on top of my dick, maybe

>> No.4536219

>>4536213
You wish, faggot.

>> No.4536222

>>4535802
>Cites proof that restaurant owner doesn't have to pay minimum wage due to tips, and if forced to obey labor laws and make up the difference will fire the server
>Restaurant owner totally not an asshole, it's those people who come in for a good time; they're the evil ones!

I'd make a "Victim blaming" joke here, but that would only prove feminists right...

>> No.4536233
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>mfw this whole thread

Only people I see defending tipping are actual employee, show-offs, trolls, or all in the same package.

Feels good to live in a country where tipping is prohibited by law.
Feels good to live in a country where waiters make minimum wage and food is still cheaper than in the majority of the other countries.
Feels good to live in a country where aforementioned people are grateful and honored to have a job and try and do their best everyday.
Feels good to live in a country where foreigners are taught how to act before even coming here.

Feels bad to see all these pro-tippers failing to bring up any compelling arguments. Makes me shiver to see a big country like the U.S. having such shitty laws and some uncivilized people, who all seem to be gathered here tonight.

>> No.4536236

>>4535704
>he thinks remembering some food items on a menu is difficult enough to warrant $10/h.

Hahahaha. If you want an adult wage, get an adult job you fucking failure. Just because you bring me the food that someone with actual skill and talent made, does't mean you are entitled to more money for the same talentless busywork that I would get in a diner.

>> No.4536245

>>4536236

I tip everyone really well. Does it make you mad to know that I have so much money I can throw hundred dollar bills at unskilled laborors so that they make more money per hour than you do?

>> No.4536247

>>4535465
(French anon)
One summer, i worked at a childrencare, and since i had no other choice to make some money, i accepted, but boy : i made 5 weeks, 10 hours a day, 5 day a week, 250 hours in 5 weeks, and i was payed above 1000€.
And i hadn't to take care of dishes, but of little kids, and i was never tipped.
As other said : go find an other job.

>> No.4536254

>>4536245
It's your money, you can tip however much you wish. If only you would extend the same courtesy.

>> No.4536270

>>4535604
This. Servers get paid way more then I did working fast food. My store was always busy and I know for a fact I worked harder then those dumbfucks. I was never allowed to stop moving. I got terrible treatment from customers except I never complained about not getting a fucking tip. Oh you brought the food to the fucking table? I made everything but the sandwiches and gathered the order assholes.

>> No.4536275

>>4536270
I don't understand people giving shit to fast food workers. I never tried to do that.

>> No.4536281

>>4535705
Fuck you. I made most of the things your ordering and gathered it together. Just because I didn't walk the extra 15 feet doesn't mean that I shouldn't have got a tip. Difference is I don't complain about in articles.

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> "As a server, I make $2.13 an hour. My checks are zero after taxes,
> so all the money I make is from tips."

I don't have a problem with tipping and usually over-tip (at least 20%)
because that's what I've got in my wallet and I don't want to come
across as a Jew.

But I don't understand how someone can work a job all day long and
receive a paycheck for ZERO dollars?

>> No.4536292

>>4536286
They receive far more then that. E reason they don't get another job is because a lot of them make way above minimum wage.

>> No.4536302

>>4536286
Tips are taxable, and have to be reported in order to be taxed.

So if a server makes more than enough tips, the taxable amount can easily consume their entire paycheck since their hourly wage is so low.

>> No.4536311

>>4535776
> You clever ruse-man you! And you're drinking alcohol too? So badass!!

I expect that is what you wanted to hear, now fuck off faggot.

>> No.4536321

>>4535791
>What are buffets

No you're right, you are just soooo vital to the existence of the restaurant industry. In fact, I am sure the entire world would just up and turn to shit if it wasn't for the noble server. Bringer of re-fils, rememberer of specials, O mighty Gods of Order and Justice ye.

>> No.4536378

>friends bring me to tijuana flats
>approach counter
>order
>receive drink at counter
>tip line on receipt
I don't understand these kinds of places. I'm not being waited on in any manner. If the computer screens were facing outwards and there was a drink dispenser on my side of the counter I could probably do it faster.

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>>4536302
> Tips are taxable, and have to be reported in order to be taxed.

Never having worked in the food industry, what is to prevent a waitress
from reporting zero tips or barely any, and just pocketing the money?

>> No.4536405

>>4536174
The standard for decent service is 15% of the total bill, before taxes. For above average service, 20% to however high you want to go. Significantly below average service gets a lower tip from me, maybe only 10%, but only if it's the server's faul, but that's somewhat controversial. Some people feel that one should never tip less than 15%, but I think if the server doesn't keep up their end of the deal, why should I?

>> No.4536413

>>4536176
Are you a Phoenix grad too? I figure there's a good chance since you don't know it's "must have" not "must of". Dumbass!

>> No.4536426

>>4536184
If you run a tab and pay for all your drinks at once then I'd say yes. If you pay for each drink as you get them, then I'd say you should tip each time. Also, tipping per drink and tipping well might result in freebies, but I wouldn't count on coming out ahead with that approach. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.

>> No.4536441

>>4536194
You sort of have a point, but percentage tipping is the established custom in the U,S... I believe it's the only country in the world with this system. I have no clue how that evolved with America being a country mostly made up of immigrants.

>> No.4536453

>>4536196
The law of averages combined with the established custom being 15% tipping for servers would rarely result in someone earning that little. Also, labor law says that if a server doesn't earn at least minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference. So they should at least be able to afford a couple items off the MacDonald's dollar menu in addition to their bus fare home at the end of the night.

>> No.4536458

>>4536233
So what is this wonderful country?

>> No.4536460

>>4536254
WTF does this mean? Do you even English?

>> No.4536470

>>4536392
Not much if it's cash, but if people pay by debit/credit card there's a paper trail and the restaurant is required to report the tips to the IRS.

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>>4536470
> Not much if it's cash

So it would be accurate to suggest that cash tips are NEVER claimed to the IRS?

Because I know if I were a waiter, I'd never tell them.