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Anonymous Mon Jun 3 07:54:16 2013 No.4532542 [Reply] [Original]

We've had tipping threads on /ck/ before. But we've never had a NOT tipping thread.

What's the best way to not tip? I tried to not tip tonight, but the waiter wouldn't take my card. As in they literally would not process it until I wrote something down in the tip line. I put some small amount, like 5-10%, just to not cause a scene. But I'm thinking there's a better way to.. not tip.

Also would waiters actually spit in my food and whatnot if I continued to do this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:00:15 2013 No.4532549 >>4532542 >I tried to not tip tonight, but the waiter wouldn't take my card. >the waiter wouldn't take my card. You should just have called the popo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:03:15 2013 No.4532550 >>4532549 I was with someone so I'd just rather pay some small amount than do something like that. If I was by myself I think I would have just been direct. Anyway.. more strategies! Cash & dash seems like a valid option.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:06:15 2013 No.4532552 >>4532542 Woah man they take your card in murica? Don't you have to enter the code or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:07:15 2013 No.4532553 Where do you live? In the States, you receive your check, hand them your card and they bring you back a copy to sign that has a tip line on it. They don't see what you tipped til you leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:09:15 2013 No.4532555 How about telling your fucking country to stop forcing serfs to subsidize other serfs. This is just another way they motherfuck the poor in Jesusland.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:10:15 2013 No.4532556

>>4532553

When they brought the check it already had a tip line and total line included. They basically skipped a step. They expected me to write down a tip and then they'd come take it or ...? I dunno but they were just not coming to pick up my card after 20 minutes of sitting there.

p.s. I live in the states

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:12:15 2013 No.4532560

>>4532556
Did the waiter make passes at your table, see that you had not written anything down and purposely kept on going to avoid picking it up? This whole situation is weird. I'm inclined to think that maybe they were just a bad waiter and forgot about you. In which case, flag those dumbasses down and hand them the check/card. I certainly wouldn't have sat around for 20 minutes. Waste of my time. After 5 I would have gotten anyone's attention to come take care of it.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:14:15 2013 No.4532563

>>4532560

I flagged them down and they kept saying: oh well you have to include the tip first. Did you remember to write the tip? Tip tip tip tip tip.

I dunno man. I think they deserve a low tip for not being prompt and such. But it's like a fucking syndicate. You pay or you PAY.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:16:15 2013 No.4532564 File: 417 KB, 540x1232, 4242013095729.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not sure how much you should tip? Let me help you with this lovely graphic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:17:15 2013 No.4532565 Well, write "0" or "Bad service, no tip."

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:17:15 2013 No.4532566

>>4532563
Wow. Is that a chain restaurant? I must know so I can make it a point to never patronize them. That's seriously fucked up. I'd call the joint up and ask to speak to the manager/owner. Get some clarification on what the fuck that was all about. That's incredibly presumptuous to expect a tip. The only places that can get away with that are really expensive joints where the gratuity is already included, in which case you were informed ahead of time. Fuck that man, go bitch and get some free shit.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:18:15 2013 No.4532567

>>4532542
>We've had tipping threads on /ck/ before. But we've never had a NOT tipping thread.

Every tipping thread is about not tipping.

>I tried to not tip tonight, but the waiter wouldn't take my card.

Either you're 12 years old and have never been to a restaurant, or you are actually from Europe (just like everyone who starts these dumb threads).

Absolutely nowhere in America would you be required to write in a tip before they take your card. Just look at your own fucking picture: you don't get a bill with a line to write in the tip until your card has gone through.

Sage for another obvious hurr durr amerifats have to pay separately for service thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:21:15 2013 No.4532568 File: 100 KB, 540x1232, 1370261813233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532564 I made a few adjustments. This one should be more accurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:22:15 2013 No.4532571 >>4532567 > you don't get a bill with a line to write in the tip until your card has gone through. But.. that's not what happened.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:25:15 2013 No.4532574

>>4532552
To run an American credit card, they just need the card itself. To run it as a debit card, they'd need your PIN.

OP, you're a moron. They were refusing to take your card until you put something in the slip for the same reason you're supposed to put a line through the unused part of a check amount - so they can't put anything there themselves. If you weren't such a moron, you would have just written a line through the Tip spot, and they would have (perhaps grudgingly) taken the card.

Stop being stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:28:15 2013 No.4532577 britfag here. i am most generous with tipping when I get student discount on meals, sometimes going as far as giving the money i saved on the discount. chiquito do an all week 25% off student discount and I regularly give the money off as a tip.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:30:15 2013 No.4532580

>>4532574

>To run an American credit card, they just need the card itself. To run it as a debit card, they'd need your PIN.

Nobody said anything about debit cards. Also, no you do not need the fucking PIN to run it. I've paid many times with debit and no PIN was needed.

>OP, you're a moron. They were refusing to take your card until you put something in the slip for the same reason you're supposed to put a line through the unused part of a check amount - so they can't put anything there themselves. If you weren't such a moron, you would have just written a line through the Tip spot, and they would have (perhaps grudgingly) taken the card.

They're supposed to run my card first, then let me decide what to tip. They wanted that face to face so they could basically FORCE me to put something. Perhaps you don't understand the situation.

>Stop being stupid.

You first.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:34:15 2013 No.4532585

>>4532574
To run it as a debit card, they'd need your PIN.

i have never had to give them my pin when using my debit card.

I have never been to a restaurant where i had to tip right away. I usually do it in cash, and when i cross out the tip part of the check they dont seem to care, so not tipping would be super easy,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:40:15 2013 No.4532586 Just calling predictions here. I'm going to class, will be back in 2 hours. I bet this thread is the most active one on /ck/ with at least 80 replies.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:42:15 2013 No.4532590

>>4532580
No, you've used your VISA/Mastercard-backed debit card, which they ran as a credit transaction. I already knew you were stupid, but damn.

And they do run your card first. You're a trolling troll, and this is a troll thread, hence the claims to the contrary. Carry on, I'm just letting people know this is all bullshit.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:44:15 2013 No.4532593

Stralia here
I work at a pretty nice place which has excellent wait staff, they get paid a good fucking wage to do their job because that is their job. There is one level of service that is acceptable and that is it.
Maybye the system works in nicer places like I just said but not so much in the cheaper cafes and such.
It helps customers avoid feeling as though they owe the servers something, they pay for the meal and drinks.
Tipping is optional and mainly done if you feel that you received an unusually high level of service.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:44:15 2013 No.4532594 >>4532542 That's called extortion. I would never go back there again.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:48:15 2013 No.4532598

Once I was at the Ihop with a friend of mine and we had, quite possibly, the dumbest waitress who ever walked the face of the planet. She did not write down our orders and then had to come back and ask what we ordered. After that we still had items missing from our order. At the end of it I went out to my car and got a cheap memo pad like you would find at a dollar store and wrote on the first page "You obviously need this more than I do" and left it on the table.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:50:15 2013 No.4532599 >>4532598 An appropriate tip for such service, I think. Well played.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:52:15 2013 No.4532603

>>4532571

99% of places do it that way, you get a ticket to sign that has a spot for tip after your card has been run.

The other 1% can deal with it. If you don't want to tip, write 0. If they don't take it, walk out, they obviously don't want to be paid for that meal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:54:15 2013 No.4532608 >>4532590 >And they do run your card first. They actually did not. There was no running of any card.. there was just a check with a fucking tip line before anything happened.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:55:15 2013 No.4532610

If its at a place that pays waitors wage, leave a fucking tip (unless the service was really that bad). If you are poor enough to not be able to leave a tip, go to McDonalds or something. If you tip and become a regular, the service you receive makes up for it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:04:15 2013 No.4532622 >>4532610 This is actually not true. If you tip, you get standard to sub-par service.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:08:16 2013 No.4532631 >>4532542 You really should have called the police as what they did is illegal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:43:16 2013 No.4532665 >>4532564 >Tipping Bus drivers HAHAHA OH WOW, ONLY IN 'MURRICA!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:46:15 2013 No.4532669 >>4532665 I've never hear of anyone in America tipping a bud driver, ever. Must be a Yuropoor thing.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:46:15 2013 No.4532670

>>4532610
>If you cannot spare some extra money that has nothing to do with the price of the food you just ate then you shouldn't be eating said food.
Get fucked, son. I pay for what I've eaten and I won't tip unless the service and food has been to a high standard.

Compulsory tippers like you are ruining the industry, makes the servers think they can do a shit job and still get tip.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:46:16 2013 No.4532668

>>4532608
I've been to restaurants where they want you to write the full amount before they run your card. Either they do it to save the servers/management the trouble of adjusting the amount manually later OR they have a shitty point-of-sale system that does not let you adjust credit card amounts after you run it. I'm surprised people are telling you this doesn't happen, because it definitely does.

You still didn't need to write anything but a line or a zero for the tip. The server might have said "write the tip" but that's because she assumed you wanted to give her one and she (apparently) needs to know the total before running the card; you weren't obligated to write an actual amount no matter how much she expected you to.
>>4532574
>If you weren't such a moron, you would have just written a line through the Tip spot, and they would have (perhaps grudgingly) taken the card.
Sorry, OP, this anon is right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:47:15 2013 No.4532673 >>4532669 >Picture is in USD >B-But, not 'Murrica! Is Europoor!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:49:15 2013 No.4532674 >>4532665 >not having enough friends to hire a bus for parties Social troglodyte detected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:55:16 2013 No.4532687 >>4532674 a bus for parties? How about a holiday house with as much booze as you can fit in all of your cars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:55:16 2013 No.4532688 >>4532673 This seems to be if you charter a bus or something. No one tips for public transportation like metro buses

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:55:16 2013 No.4532689 File: 27 KB, 400x400, 1364333253363.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532564 >tfw I was younger saw my dad give a bellboy a fifty We only had two bags.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:58:15 2013 No.4532695 File: 41 KB, 437x400, obvious troll.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532556 Bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 09:59:15 2013 No.4532698 I tip more when I get an attractive and attentive waitress than when I get an average unattentive one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:01:16 2013 No.4532703 >>4532668 >I'm surprised people are telling you this doesn't happen, because it definitely does. No. No it does not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:03:15 2013 No.4532705 >>4532703 Not to you I guess. you must be special.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:04:16 2013 No.4532710

Just to offer a bit of information on some things stated in this thread, the OP went to a bad restaurant, but his scenario isn't inconcievable.

I work in payments processing, we take card information from restaurants and stores, and pass it on to Visa/MC/banks for approval. The process restaurants go through is pretty simple: they take the card, they run a pre-authorization to reserve funds on it, and they bring you the receipt, with a tip line. You enter your tip amount and leave, then they go back and do a Pre-Auth Completion to actually charge you the original amount plus any tip. If you run out after they've put through the pre-auth, they put it through anyway and still get their money.

OP's scenario could, however, come up if they run some sort of order tracking system seperate from their system to process cards, and IT prints receipts with tip lines. Odd but not impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:05:16 2013 No.4532712 >>4532698 i think thats true of most men

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:08:16 2013 No.4532713 >>4532710 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:09:15 2013 No.4532716 >>4532698 Check your priviledge, scum

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:16:15 2013 No.4532723 I never tip men waitresses. Get a real job, queers.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:20:15 2013 No.4532727

It's possible that they were attempting to look out for you? If you leave it blank, sometimes, someplaces, it is possible for someone else to write in a tip after the fact. So even if you don't plan to tip you should always write 0 or draw an x.

More likely though they were just being pushy, I've had people demand to enter my tip into the machine FOR me before, and I got so flustered and confused all I could say was '...nothing', and he was not pleased.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:23:15 2013 No.4532731 >>4532723 The whole of France is homosexual?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:23:15 2013 No.4532735 >>4532727 I simply write "CASH" on the tip line & add up the total assuming zero tip. Then I tip (or not) in cash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:25:15 2013 No.4532736 >>4532731 ...You didn't know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:46:15 2013 No.4532775 >>4532574 Oh ok, sweden here. I thought everyone had debit cards because credit cards sounds quite retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:48:16 2013 No.4532779 >>4532542 By not doing it. I never tip and never will. Suck it waiter scum.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:50:15 2013 No.4532782

>>4532542
Put a long dash above the tip line.

>Also would waiters actually spit in my food and whatnot if I continued to do this?
Why are you returning to places where you don't think they are worthy of a tip?
Though I've never mistreated a customer who I knew didn't tip because I am australian and the wages are first world

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 10:58:15 2013 No.4532796

tipping is for entitled, bourgeoisie snobs who want to feel like big shots.

seriously though, it is. and don't give me this line of bull shit about how waiting staff does not make much money; they are entitled to minimum wage like everyone else in this country.

not my fucking fault if they are scared to fight for it. find some other sucker to play ball; I pay for enough people's problems as it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:20:15 2013 No.4532836 >tip line >waiter wont process my card >write down "Fuck You" on it and had it to him with a smile

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:23:15 2013 No.4532840 >>4532775 Credit cards aren't retarded unless you have absolutely no self control since having a good credit history can be helpful

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:23:15 2013 No.4532841 >>4532775 Most debit cards have the ability to be processed as credit cards here.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:32:15 2013 No.4532852

>>4532555
American here and I completely agree.

For all the retarded conservative "small business built america" rhetoric politicians spew, most waiters at most make $2.50 or something an hour because service workers in congress' eyes are worth dog shit and now all tips are taxed at 30% no matter your tax bracket.

Meanwhile huge restauranteurs enjoy healthy profits because labor costs are subsidized by patrons.

I wish they would raise service workers minimum wage. It'd force a lot of shitty restaurants out of business and I'd never have to watch an Olive Garden soup, salad and bread sticks commercial again while waiting for a youtube video to load.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:35:16 2013 No.4532860

>>4532775

You need good credit if you ever want a chance in hell of getting a good mortgage rate, or even approved for a mortgage. Also, unless you plan on paying cash for every car you buy (my parents do, but most people I know do not) you'll need financing, and thus good credit to not get raped by the interest rate.

I acknowledge you are a Swedfag, and cars there are less common because gasoline is taxed to hell, and housing is likely widely available to all who need it. In 'Murrica, credit and credit ratings are integral to success.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:38:15 2013 No.4532865 >>4532860 >In 'Murrica, credit and credit ratings are integral to success. sad, but generally true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:40:15 2013 No.4532870 >>4532586 56 replies, I was off a bit. Still most popular thread. Way to maintain status quo, /ck/!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:53:16 2013 No.4532893 >>4532852 that feel when based EU court strikes down anyone who tries to pull that shit over here

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 11:54:17 2013 No.4532895 >>4532689 Maybe your dad procured further "services" from him later on?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:07:15 2013 No.4532913 >>4532574 >To run it as a debit card, they'd need your PIN. That is not true at all you fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:10:15 2013 No.4532919 >>4532556 >I live in the states Where? No one in the US calls it 'the states' that's a total britbong thing to do. More believable trolling would be: I live in America I live in the US I live in the United States I live in [insert state here]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:22:16 2013 No.4532942 >>4532796 >they are entitled to minimum wage like everyone else in this country. no they're not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:34:18 2013 No.4532960 >>4532564 Jesus christ this image is insane. I tip waiters/waitresses, hair stylists, pizza delivery people, and bellhops. Tipping anyone else on top of the insane price they're more likely already charging you is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:36:16 2013 No.4532963 >>4532564 I'm actually an animal grooming assistant and only about 50% of people tip but believe me, WE REMEMBER YOU. Personally tho, I still find it a weird thing to tip for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:40:15 2013 No.4532967 >>4532963 How much do you get paid?

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:43:16 2013 No.4532971
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Non-tippers get their food fucked with. Nobody is ever fired for fucking with food unless the manager already wanted to fire you. People do not tip for two reasons, terrible service which is rare, or being poor, which is the most common.

Just a friendly reminder.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:46:16 2013 No.4532980

>>4532967
Depends on what percentage to groomer gets cut from the clinic. I'm only an assistant (min. wage) but our groomer gets some set percentage of the dog grooming price (like 60%?).
Depending on the weight of your dog and what kind of cut you want people pay anywhere from $35-$75. Considering it only takes 45 min. or less to do most average animals, that's pretty decent.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:48:15 2013 No.4532982

>>4532971
How do you know if someone isn't a tipper? Are there actually people who are regulars at restaurants where they consistently refuse to tip?

Also, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is spitting in someone's soup really worth it? Unless you're sick, it's not going to do anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:50:15 2013 No.4532985 >>4532982 If you do not mind ingesting my piss, feces, sperm, spit, scabs, etc that is cool.

>>	The Welsh Dude !A2vRLhLuE. Mon Jun 3 12:50:15 2013 No.4532986 >>4532942 yes they are, if the waiters don't make over minimum wage with tips the employers are required by law to pay them minimum wage of whatever state they are in.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:50:15 2013 No.4532987

>>4532980
>people pay anywhere from $35-$75. Considering it only takes 45 min. or less to do most average animals, that's pretty decent.
Yeah, hence why I wouldn't tip most pet groomers. I know that it isn't an easy job by any means, but they tend to already be charging you a ton of money for the service.

>>4532985
Have fun getting arrested once you get caught.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:52:15 2013 No.4532990 >>4532987 > Nobody is ever fired for fucking with food unless the manager already wanted to fire you. Police involvement is so unbelievably rare it is not even worth mentioning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:53:15 2013 No.4532991 >>4532985 and that's why cunts that do that shit shouldn't be getting tipped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:54:15 2013 No.4532992 >>4532991 They do not get tipped specifically because the person that should tip is poor.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:57:15 2013 No.4532996

>>4532992
But they get tipped by other customers. Americans have a massive hard on for believing they are entitled to more than they deserve. The customer is already paying enough for the food, they should NEVER be forced or coaxed into paying extra. Nor should they ever be punished for simply paying the set price for food that clearly states that is the cost.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:57:15 2013 No.4532997

>>4532942
Yes they are. If their tips do not bring them up to an amount that would be equal to the minimum wage per hour, the employer must make up the difference. Many waitstaff are afraid to fight for it though, because a.) many managers/owners will fire them after they make the claim and b.) because they hope for a "good" night where they can make more than normal and not claim any of it for taxes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 12:58:15 2013 No.4532998 >>4532996 Being retarded is not how you win this argument. The costs of the dishes would go up if tips were no longer expected. This is because the owners would have to pay more to the workers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:00:15 2013 No.4533001 >>4532998 Already paying inflated costs when you tip. Bill comes to $60, you tip an extra $12. You saying the food costs will go up isn't a deterrent if people are already paying more by tipping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:03:15 2013 No.4533004 >>4533001 I am not just saying it, I am pointing out the fact. The majority of non-tippers will be deterred, but more importantly a large portion of human beings (tippers) will also stop going.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:12:16 2013 No.4533013

>>4533004
the majority of tippers would feel they no longer need to tip because the workers are paid a basic human wage. There's no way an American can ever win this argument as all they can spout is prices will go up. Go up to what? Something that is less than what people pay now because they have to tip everytime they go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:13:16 2013 No.4533020 >>4533013 They will go up at least the new cost to the owner.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:30:16 2013 No.4533053

>>4532919
>No one in the US calls it 'the states'
Bullshit. Born in Philadelphia, been here all my life, and I call say "the states" sometimes. Dad was born in New York, Mom in Michigan, and while both Dad's parents were immigrants, Mom's mom was born in the states as well.

See, did it again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:31:16 2013 No.4533056 >>4533053 >call say Fuck my brain error, you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:33:16 2013 No.4533064 >>4532860 Different systems I guess, here its binary, don't get any payment remarks and you can borrow, although the bank of course runs a risk analysis on you as a person if they feel safe borrowing to you or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:34:15 2013 No.4533065 >>4533053 > being embarrassed to let others know you are a yuropoor i respect that

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:37:15 2013 No.4533076

>>4533020
And this is basically what most economics arguments boil down to: What is too much?

It's a business, yes? And everyone can agree a business has a main goal of running a profit. But if a restaurant runs a 10% profit margin (Meaning after expenses for wages, food costs, maintenance, utilities and rent it still made 10% more than it spent), is that too much? Why would taking a small dip in margin to say 6-7% be bad? Wouldn't you still be making more than you spend?

That's what most arguments about economics and businesses boil down to, "How much profit does a company need before we call them greedy?" Even a little thing like a few cents per pizza can vilify some businesses like Papa Johns.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:39:15 2013 No.4533080

>>4533064
I just want to add something related to the topic, I think tipping seems stupid (never done it either, as it's very uncommon here), because what is to stop the waiter from not properly reporting his/her earned tips? I mean it must be easy just pocketing some when you pay with cash (which is more prevalent in murica I reckon), which means that the government miss out on taxes. Why would you support a system that makes it easier to commit tax-fraud?

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:40:15 2013 No.4533086

>>4533076

Companies will not just eat profit because you think it is morally okay to increase their costs for muh living wage chants from welfare queens.

They will pass it on at least 1:1 or close down.

> yay they have a living wage now
> i dont get why there is more unemployment
> those evil rich corporations!
> we need to put more artificial costs on them, that will fix it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:41:15 2013 No.4533090 File: 13 KB, 400x268, 1319824666052.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533080 Sigh. > we need to tax workers more

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:42:15 2013 No.4533093

>>4533080
>what is to stop the waiter from not properly reporting his/her earned tips?
Laws. You said it yourself, if they do this, it's tax fraud, and they face consequences if caught. Personally, I'd rather report my tips than get audited/fired/imprisoned for theft, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:43:15 2013 No.4533100 >>4533090 To pay off that little debt you got, ya know?

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:43:15 2013 No.4533101

>>4533080
This does happen, unfortunately. Here in NH (anyways) I have seen people I recognize as servers from pretty busy restaurants going to register for Food Stamps/Cash Benefits/Fule and Electric Assistance/etc. They claim only enough tips to make min wage, apply for and receive benefits, then spend the rest on flat screens, iPhones and new cars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:43:15 2013 No.4533102 >>4532689 what the fuck is a bellboy? is it those kids that actually put fucking groceries into a bag?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:44:15 2013 No.4533105 >>4533102 lol. It's the guy that takes up your luggage at hotels.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:45:15 2013 No.4533106

>>4533100

> taxing those that make 200k and above at 100 percent and taking all corporations profit wont even pay off a year of government spending
> lel we can pay off debt by hiring tons of people to enforce waiters from not declaring an extra 200 bucks a week

Sigh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:46:15 2013 No.4533109 >>4533106 TRICKLE UP

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 13:50:15 2013 No.4533123 >>4533106 Just remaking the system, add the standard tip to the normal price of the service? > but how do I tell them I enjoyed their service you just tell them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:00:15 2013 No.4533144 >Don't tip your waiter Congrats, you basically just had them work for no pay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:06:16 2013 No.4533152 >>4533144 >Imblyong I care about another human being

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:23:15 2013 No.4533188

>>4533152
>implying you don't look like a pathetic waste of human life when you try to quickly write down a 0 and then try to run out as fast as possible.

Seriously, as a waiter I do make pretty good money, and I've gotten stiffed before, but it's just funny on the type of people who don't leave money

1. Kids who haven't worked a day in their life
2. White Trash, trashy blacks.
3. Pentecostals, seriously fuck these people

I don't get butthurt about it though, but since it's always the same type of people I provide them more lackluster service.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:28:15 2013 No.4533196 i put a line through the tip area on the reciept.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:29:15 2013 No.4533199 >>4532542 >I tried to not tip tonight, but the waiter wouldn't take my card. also >oh you wont take a payment? goodbye then :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:30:15 2013 No.4533201 >>4533188 i do furniture delivers and just charge a couple bucks more to foreign people since they tend not to tip

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:36:15 2013 No.4533207 I tip because I'm not a stingy prick or broke nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:37:15 2013 No.4533211 I just round up to the next dollar, regardless of situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:40:15 2013 No.4533215 >>4533211 The obvious situation is you are poor.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:46:16 2013 No.4533222

>go out with friends to eat a lot
>we always split the order up into different bills because of the way we pay (some of us like paying by card, others cash, and I almost never carry money on me (stupidly)).
>I tend not to spend more than 12-ish bucks
>Never tip more than 3 dollars

In the long run, when the 5 or 6 of us go out and give 2-3 dollars each, the waiter/ess is making a decent amount in tips anyway.

Try what I do, guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 14:48:15 2013 No.4533225 File: 105 KB, 388x587, 1317656775243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533222 > non-tippers > friends

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:18:15 2013 No.4533269

Uh uh, I don’t tip. No, I don’t believe in it. … Don’t give me that, if she don’t make enough money she can quit. … I don’t tip because society says I have to. All right, I mean I’ll tip if someone really deserves a tipping, if they really put forth the effort, I’ll give them something extra, but I mean this tipping automatically, it’s for the birds. I mean as far as I’m concerned they’re just doing their job. Jesus Christ, these ladies aren’t starving to death. They make minimum wage. I used to work minimum wage and when I did I wasn’t lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip worthy. … So is working at McDonald’s but you don’t feel the need to tip them do you? Well why not? They’re serving you food. But no, society says don’t tip these guys over here, but tip these guys over here. That’s bullshit. … Fuck all that. … I mean I’m very sorry the government taxes their tips. That’s fucked up. That ain’t my fault. I mean it would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. I mean show a piece of paper that says the government shouldn’t do that, I’ll sign it, put it to a vote, I’ll vote for it, but what I won’t do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fucking type, ’cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big fucking surprise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:21:15 2013 No.4533272 To all you faggots who don't tip why not just get take out instead of sitting down? I'm assuming you're too poor to go out to sit down only restaurants and strictly keep to shitty chains (Olive Garden, Applebee's)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:26:15 2013 No.4533277 The whole thing would be solved if they'd just put a mandatory percentage of tip on the checks, the percentage going higher the more the bill comes to, until it caps out at 20%.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:27:15 2013 No.4533280 >>4533277 Or, you know, completely get rid of tips and just let the customer pay their food and the restaurant pay their waiters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:28:15 2013 No.4533282 >>4533269 are you also a militant atheist, showing the ignorant masses the truth?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:33:15 2013 No.4533285 >>4533282 I'd go over 10% for that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:37:15 2013 No.4533289 >>4533123 Fucking this, whats so hard america?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:38:15 2013 No.4533290 >>4533277 So the more expensive food I order, the harder the cook has to work to prepare it right...the more you pay the waitress for carrying the plate the same damn distance. Fuck, that's brilliant! </sarcasm>

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 15:41:16 2013 No.4533295 >>4533207 i dont wanna stop being either :(

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:13:15 2013 No.4533344
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THIS PICTURE GOES OUT TO ALL THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO DON'T TIP.

You should have the balls to tell the waiter up front that you won't be tipping them. I mean you're all so adamant about not paying for other peoples wages, why not tell them right off. You all seem to have no problems voicing your faggot ass opinions on an anonymous message board, but you seemingly can't muster the courage to tell the waiter to their face you will not be tipping because you don't believe in it. It is because you know they tipping is common practice and by not tipping you are an asshole?
I really hope on day you people who don't tip get severe food poisoning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:26:15 2013 No.4533359 >>4533123 if standard tip is added to the normal price, there is no incentive for a waiter to do his job well

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:27:15 2013 No.4533361 Yes they will, don't fuck with the people who handle your food. You stingy fuck. if you don't want to tip, fucking take it to go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:28:15 2013 No.4533362 I've tipped 0% before. I ordered an Arnold Palmer and got a John Daly. 0 fucks given.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:29:15 2013 No.4533365 >>4533269 Alright Mr. Pink, you're so original.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:35:15 2013 No.4533373 Good thing i live in a poor country called Portugal, i dont have and i never tipped shit ahah

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:36:15 2013 No.4533376 >>4533359 Cool, then they can be fired for someone who will do their job well. That's the neat thing about working below minimum wage, you're replaceable in a day.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:38:15 2013 No.4533378 [DELETED]

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Hi, I don't browse this board often but I'm just wondering something.

I recently tried a Japanese place and I've been to millions of Chinese places.

How come the soy sauce and white rice at the Japanese place were SOOOO much better than what I've always gotten from Chinese places?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:39:15 2013 No.4533381 >>4533376 I don't get why the waiters feel so entitled, they are no better than a McDonald's worker, basically as low as you can be on the social status ladder (while having a jpb)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:40:15 2013 No.4533385 >>4533378 It's a mystery.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:40:15 2013 No.4533389

>>4533381

What makes you think they feel entitled? It's just a different pay system. If the waiters were paid higher normal wages then the price would be built into the price of the food instead. Either way the same amount of money still changes hands. Do you actually believe that waiters think so highly of themselves that they demand extra pay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:42:15 2013 No.4533394 >>4533389 >Do you actually believe that waiters think so highly of themselves that they demand extra pay? You don't go out to eat all that often do you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:46:15 2013 No.4533403 >>4532913 he doesn't mean he would have to give them the PIN, he's saying he would have had to input a PIN. which is true, they can't directly debit money without a pin, they can only do a point of service charge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:49:15 2013 No.4533411 >>4533280 Enjoy having nocustomers because your $13 entree is now $25 because that's the only way you'll make a profit on it now.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:51:16 2013 No.4533416

Not tipping due to bad service is okay. That's the proper usage of the tipping system.

Not tipping because you're a faggot who thinks "LOL ALL THEY DID WAS CARRY MUH FOOD Y SHULD THEY GET PAID 4 THAT" is a dick move and you deserve that extra "mayo" on your sandwich the next time you dine in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:52:15 2013 No.4533417 >>4532564 you want me to pay a 20 percent tip on top of the 90 dollars for an hour of a back massage? have you lost your last brain cell? unfuckingreal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:55:15 2013 No.4533425 >>4533416 >"LOL ALL THEY DID WAS CARRY MUH FOOD Y SHULD THEY GET PAID 4 THAT" What if the person who hired them for the job paid them for that? Like every other job.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:58:15 2013 No.4533433

>>4532580
At the Denny's I go to with my buddies, they ask for the amount before they run the card.
It's usually the manager that sees how much I tip, and I'm pretty cool with him(but he left a month ago, so I don't go anymore).

If I were in your situation and did not want to tip, I would just put a line through where the "tip amount" section was, and fill the total as whatever the total is after tax.
of course they might look at you funny, but you could always tell them what they can do to improve. to which I would assume they think you're high maintenance, or they might actually take your "tip" seriously. most likely the former.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:58:15 2013 No.4533435

>>4533394

All the time. I've never met a waiter that was that full of himself/herself.

Maybe you're autstic and cannot read social cues well? What is it that the waitstaff is doing which makes you believe they are feeling entitled? Give us an example of an "entitled waiter" that you've experienced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 16:59:15 2013 No.4533442 File: 470 KB, 1280x960, 1369019383267.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Restaurant I work at has a tip pool Problem solved.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:03:15 2013 No.4533453

>>4533435
Alright. I went to a local seafood place in a neighboring town. It's not super expensive, or fancy, but it's not a chain place either. My friends and I order our dinner, and dessert and we get the bill. We all pay and leave a 10% tip, we were there for maybe all of an hour and a half, up until this point the waiter was nice and friendly, but after he came back he was asking us to leave so they could have the table for other customers. Problem was that there wasn't anyone waiting, and half the restaurant was empty.

He clearly felt entitled to a larger tip, and was pissed at us because we didn't tip him what he expected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:04:15 2013 No.4533455 >>4532564 The only three jobs on that list that are actually physically demanding are in the "sometimes" and "holidays only" sections. More proof that tips are only for people who don't know how to do real work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:05:15 2013 No.4533460 >>4533053 Well then maybe you're strange? I've lived in 3 parts of PA all of my life and never heard people say that. Including out of state friends from college etc. I guess I learned something today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:06:15 2013 No.4533462 SO how large should you tip? I'm generally in the 5% range.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:08:15 2013 No.4533464 >>4533460 I live in Washington, and when I'm referring to the U.S. I sometimes call it "The States". It's just a shortened version of "The United States of America", or "The United States".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:08:15 2013 No.4533466 >>4533462 nice try, kiddo this is a no-tip thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:10:15 2013 No.4533470 >>4533425 Then your $5 sandwich is now costing you $25 since the employer has to pay the waiter $7.50 instead of $3.15

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:11:15 2013 No.4533471 >>4533466 Come on now, I don't wanna make another thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:12:15 2013 No.4533473 >>4533470 Actually, they would just have to increase the price by 10% and bam, tip taken care of.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:12:15 2013 No.4533474

>>4533462
0%-5% if service was horrible

10%-15% if service was good

20%-25% if service was excellent

Anything higher than 25% falls in the "holy crap this person was fucking phenomenal I never had to remind him to refill my drinks and he went above and beyond what a waiter should do to make sure I was completely satisfied with my meal experience"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:14:15 2013 No.4533476 >>4533473 >Normal tip is 10% >"Herp derp that means all they employer needs to do is raise his menu prices by that 10%!" Wow you really are an uneducated simpleton, aren't you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:16:15 2013 No.4533481 >>4533474 Thanks, man.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:19:16 2013 No.4533483

>>4533476
Price of the food is X amount which makes the company a profit. Employees are payed Y amount per hour, yet need Z amount to make up minimum wage. Z is typically made up in tips from the customers over the course of an hour.

So, if you get rid of tipping all together, and increase the price of the food by the average amount that Z comes to between the meals you typically server per hour, you will make enough to play the employees, and still turn a profit, since X is the base price you're already making a profit off of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:20:16 2013 No.4533485 >>4533470 So uh... I'd really like to know, why doesn't my sandwich cost 25 dollars here in Europe? In fact the average sandwich costs me 2-3 euros, and the waiter even gets a proper wage. Is it magic? Why can't the mighty US pull it off if we can?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:28:15 2013 No.4533499 ok look it's another Ethics & Economics thread in /ck/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:33:15 2013 No.4533504 >>4532564 I'd rather people just do their job to the best of their abilities than have to bribe people to do better. Thats just me though.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:33:15 2013 No.4533505

>>4533483

You're forgetting the fact that the employer has to pay all sorts of taxes on top of the wages.

If I tip a waiter $5 then all $5 goes straight into his pocket.

If, on the other hand, I want to pay a waiter via formal payroll, then it costs me a great deal more money because of taxes. There's the standard payroll taxes (which BOTH the employer and employee pay), as well as all the extra employer-only taxes such as unemployment tax.

You know when you get a paycheck and there's all those deductions on there for Medicade, medicare, social security, etc? Employers pay an equal amount of all those taxes, plus extras that you don't pay. In order for you to "take home" $5, you'd probably have to be paid around $7 or 8 so that after your payroll taxes are deducted you'd end up with $5. The employer pays all those taxes too, so the total cost to give you that $5 is nearly $10 to your employer.

Sure, the employer can still increase prices to cover it, but it would be a higher price increase than the "tip percentage" due to said taxes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:33:15 2013 No.4533506

>>4533453
If it wasn't a busy day, they probably had the floor sectioned off and he was the only other server on staff. They would then need the tables you had (especially if you were sticking around for over an hour) for a larger reservation that would be placed in his section.

In any case, I would be pissed as well if he was nice and friendly and your group only gave a 10% tip. Minimum for a good service is understood to be around 15%-20%. If you're taking up nearly two hours and were a party of greater than five, you've successfully made it so the rest of his night would be spent making up for it, since tables are assigned by number of patrons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:34:15 2013 No.4533507 >>4533504 You of course don't expect to be paid for your work, do you?

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:37:15 2013 No.4533513

>tip nothing if i'm there (or job time) is less than 15 minutes
>tip 10% if service was decent with no mistakes
>tip 20% if service was exceptional
>never tip more than $40
>if at any time I have to tell you how to do your job there will be no tip
>I am not unreasonable or overly demanding but I am not paying someone to do something I can do myself, for much less, just to end up explaining to them how to do it.

I am not your daddy and I am not your employer. It is not my job to pay your bills because your poor life choices resulted in you working for tips.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:38:15 2013 No.4533514

>>4533505
The taxes are negligible, and they're already paying taxes on the amount they pay their employees already. Plus, the gubberment already taxes tips, sure it's easy to commit fraud and claim you made less in tips than you actually did, but if it's gotten to the point where you will support fraud over forcing business to pay their employees properly, there's a bigger problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:38:15 2013 No.4533516 >>4533507 If you really cared about waiters, you would help push a movement/bill that required restaurants to give them minimum wage by default, and stop relying on this silly 1 country only system of bribery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:41:16 2013 No.4533525 >>4533514 >taxes >negligible FUCKING LOL

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:43:16 2013 No.4533530

>>4533516

I quite agree with a living wage for servers. Not tipping in the meantime is just dick though.

>>4533513
You're a fucking idiot. Please only frequent buffets where you can do for yourself. Your inability to pay for the service you get means that other people, who do tip properly, are subsidizing your service.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:44:15 2013 No.4533531

>>4533514
>The taxes are negligible

Lol, you obviously have zero experience in business.

Employers pay the EXACT SAME deductions that you are charged on every one of your paychecks. So, if your paycheck is, for example $1000 and after taxes you take home $700, that means it cost your employer $1300. That's not even counting other taxes that they have to pay on your wages which you never see, such as unemployment tax. They are most certainly not "negligible".

>>4533514
>support fraud over forcing business to pay their employees properly

I'm not sure what you mean here?
If an employee is unhappy with his wages he is always welcome to quit.
Also, the government has clearly demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to spend money, so I have no problem with anything which results in them getting less of it. I am not going to break the law personally, but I certainly am not going to lose sleep over waiters who under-report tips.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:45:15 2013 No.4533533

>>4533525
The amount they would cut into a restaurants profit are in fact negligible. It's amazing how restaurants can exist all over the world where tipping is even illegal, and they still have to pay taxes for their employees, yet their prices aren't that different from ours, and their employees make higher wages, or at least a minimum for that country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:46:16 2013 No.4533538 >>4533533 US has one of the highest tax rates, if not THE highest, in the world.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:49:16 2013 No.4533546
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>>4533538

No, it doesn't. Our actual applied rate (after deductions and the like) is one of the lower in the 1st world. Our nominal rates look high, but nobody pays the full nominal.

Pic related.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:50:15 2013 No.4533552

>>4533538
Regardless, it's still possible for a restaurant to turn a profit and not use their customers generosity as a crutch to survive.

Will their prices go up? Yes.
Will less people eat there because of the increased price? Yes.
Will lots of places that can't adapt go out of business? Yes.
Will other places profit more than ever? Yes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:52:15 2013 No.4533556

>>4533530
>You're a fucking idiot
I am not the employer, I am the customer. I'm not paying 300%+ for products and services just to pay someone a ridiculous amount to walk 20 feet three times. Sex is more mentally and physically exhausting than waiting tables.

If you ever have a career or your own business you will understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 17:53:15 2013 No.4533562 >>4533546 Irrelevant. That graph is aggegrate tax income as a total, it doesn't split it down into payroll vs. business, and so on. It's useless to this discussion since we're discussing payroll taxes specifically.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:00:15 2013 No.4533577

The other day at a restaurant I wanted to pay for my mom, so I told the waitress to split the cheque- me and my mom on one, my sister separately.

She did, and when she came back I stuck my card in 'mine' and my sister handed my mom her cheque and she put her card in it (I knew she'd do this, and my mom had paid when we sat at the bar earlier so..)

Anyway my mom's all "oh I'll pay for everyone etc" and I said to the waitress, just charge to the cards in each bill. My sister said to ignore me or something. I said to the waitress- I will tip you well if you charge it as I requested.

She charged it all to my mom. My mom then handed me the cheque as she always does, not wanting to find her reading glasses. I gave her like 8%, when I usually tip 20. She gave ok service but that last bit pissed me off...

Not mean enough to write "0" though. Also fuck my sister god damn.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:01:15 2013 No.4533579

>>4533556

I have both, including owning a restaurant in the past. Again, you're simply allowing people that do actually tip to subsidize your service, since you're refusing to pay for it. So don't go to places that work off tips, or just admit you're a thief.

The tip system in this country is idiotic, but not paying for your service isn't a solution.

>>4533562
Payroll taxes are high in the US - mainly because in the 80s they figured jacking the FEMA rate was a great way to do a stealth tax increase on the middle class.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:04:15 2013 No.4533582

>>4532688

Yea, it says 'sometimes' and 'bus/limo' implying you hired a guy to drive you somewhere specific.

I wish we got tips where I work. It's a framing shop, and sometimes people do tip but there's no jar or anything so I don't think people think of it. I want to put a tip line on the credit card receipts just to see if people would do it. Seems like it's not that different from a salon or something, when you have a designer helping you...

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:05:15 2013 No.4533583

>>4533577
>Anyway my mom's all "oh I'll pay for everyone etc" and I said to the waitress, just charge to the cards in each bill. My sister said to ignore me or something.

This really isn't the waitstaff's fault, you guys can't agree even among yourselves. Rule of thumb in that case is to go with the oldest person at the table, which is what she did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:09:15 2013 No.4533595 >>4533411 15-20% of $13 is wat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:12:15 2013 No.4533602 >>4533453 > stayed for 90 minutes > 10% are you fucking staying there because you don't have a home to go to, you poor faggot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:14:16 2013 No.4533610 >>4533602 No, we sat down, ordered, ate, talked, ordered dessert, ate, and talked. The restaurant wasn't busy at all, so I don't see the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:14:16 2013 No.4533611 >>4533506 This. Waiters aren't supposed to say anything when shorted on tips, but to expect him to do anything extra for you after you stiffed him is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:15:16 2013 No.4533612 >>4533531 >EXACT SAME deductions Therefore, the employer pays the same taxes as the employee. >$700 of $1000 is a 30% loss >$1000 of $1300 is about 23% Wat is math

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:16:15 2013 No.4533617 >>4533610 Waiter has to keep monitoring the table as long as you're there, not to mention like another poster said it's likely they were rotating off the section or had other parties booked.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:16:16 2013 No.4533616

>>4533211

>doing math

>give pizza guy 3 dollars every time regardless of situation

usually works out to like 30% so I guess I'm just god mode. It's from when i was young and my mom would give me 3$ to tip pizza guy when order was like 20$? But when it's just me I guess I'm over tipping...

Still it's a local place and I have them deliver to my shop so they hopefully remember me and think 'ah ya this bitch tips' and try to get here faster

>tfw living in fantasy land

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:17:15 2013 No.4533618 >>4533272 >putting olive garden on same level as applebees hold your fucking horses, what

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:18:15 2013 No.4533620

>>4533616
>Still it's a local place and I have them deliver to my shop so they hopefully remember me and think 'ah ya this bitch tips' and try to get here faster

I don't work service anymore, but when I did we remembered how every person tipped when they came in more than once. It's amazing how many extras good tippers magically didn't get charged for, and how quickly their items got out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:18:15 2013 No.4533621 >>4532687 the buses are more for people who want to club hop around the city and get drunk in between. it's fun unless you miss the bus, then lose your cab fair because you drunk.. uggh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:18:15 2013 No.4533623 >>4533616 3 bucks for pizza is above average. good stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:19:15 2013 No.4533624 >>4533618 those places are both garbage.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:20:15 2013 No.4533630

>>4533290

Well it isn't perfect, but I think the idea is that if there are more people at a table it's harder.. that sort of thing. Cost = difficulty could apply to 'they ordered a lot of alcohol' or 'they ordered appetisers and dessert.'

Not saying it's perfect but it makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:21:15 2013 No.4533631 >>4533290 Waiters at higher end restaurants have a much higher standard of both service and knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:26:15 2013 No.4533640 >>4533631 Don't they also get paid more? The only reason people tip for regular service nowadays is because the poor wait staff make $2 /hr. Why tip at fancy restaurants?

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:26:16 2013 No.4533641

>>4533583

I guess, but my card was in the bill. She should have let me pay.

But honestly the waitress was kind of mediocre and didn't fill drinks much and the food was meh (not her fault but still.) 10% wouldn't have been unreasonable, so I just gave her a few bucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:28:16 2013 No.4533647 >>4533640 you will not be able to make a reservation after not tipping once at a 4 or 5 star place. scum dont tip, and they make sure you know it.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:29:16 2013 No.4533648

>>4533640

They get paid more because of higher tips due to higher bills because the food costs more, not because their base pay is any higher. My girlfriend is a waitress at a really nice country club's restaurant. She still gets 2.13/hour from her employer just like the shitty diner she used to work at but makes a lot more on tips.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:29:16 2013 No.4533650

>>4533620
>>4533623

Glad to hear.. I figure since it's a shop it's pretty memorable so the drivers probably recognise me? I don't want to leave a bad impression. They always seem nice and chatty compared to when I order pizza at home, I think because we're "peers" since I'm working, if that makes sense... it's nice, though.

Speaking of which.. gonna order some pizza. Except I'm actually ordering a shawarma thing but I mean, pizza place. whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:31:15 2013 No.4533652 >>4533462 0%-0% if service was horrible 0%-0% if service was good 0%-0% if service was excellent

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:31:15 2013 No.4533653

>>4533513
>It is not my job to pay your bills because your poor life choices resulted in you working for tips.

it was your choice to go to a restaurant where people work for tips though

your moralizing makes you look very stupid and petty. if you are just a cheapskate, don't try to rationalize, asshole.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:31:15 2013 No.4533654

>>4533640

No, they'll all get the minimum, it's simply expected they're making more tips.

Not to mention the waiter doesn't keep all their tips. They tip out the busboys, the dishwashers, the bartender, the runners, and the hostesses (maitre'd is almost always salaried though). On a bad night they might run at a loss if they decide not to pass being stiffed onto their splits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:32:16 2013 No.4533657 File: 490 KB, 449x401, girlslaughing.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532986 >implying that restaurants ever obey labor laws

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:35:15 2013 No.4533661 File: 34 KB, 500x433, 1324532649973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533652 > mfw you choose to ingest, feces, piss, semen, dirt, etc with your food

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:36:15 2013 No.4533664 >>4533661 in b4 "how dare they, no wonder they're only waiters!". You choose to break the social contract by not tipping, don't ask other people to honor it with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:36:16 2013 No.4533662 I bet people who say they don't tip would never have the balls to tell a waiter at the beginning of the meal that he won't be leaving a tip

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:37:15 2013 No.4533666 >>4533640 a more pertinent question might be "why get so pissy about $40 when you just spent $200 for two plates of food and some wine"

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:37:15 2013 No.4533668

>>4533411
>>4533470
Proof that entitled waiterfags cannot into math, and resort to outlandish extremes to try to win an argument.

BTW, my $13 entree would only cost $2 bucks, and a $5 sandwich would only cost $.75 cents more.

Doing accurate arithmetic to make a point isn't normal for waiters, but on Math it is. Math: Not even once.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:38:16 2013 No.4533671 >>4533269 haha i read that in steve buscemi's voice

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:39:16 2013 No.4533675

I feel bad for servers at cheap restaurants or breakfast chains like Steak n Shake or Denny's. They turn over many tables and receive shit tips from the cheapasses that come in for the $4.99 lunch special. I almost always tip them 25%+ because my tab is not that high and most of the time they really are working their asses off.

I don't feel too bad for the servers at nicer restaurants as they always manage fine (higher check averages + more generous customers = better tips). I usually tip 15-20% for good service but of course go higher for outstanding service.

Regardless of how you feel about tipping, it is part of the system. If you want to be a bitch about it and try to justify your cheapass-ness on the faults of the system, go ahead and don't tip. It won't be the first or last time. If you do return, don't be surprised when you get shit service or worse with your food.

If I am broke and don't feel like tipping, I go to chipotle or something fast casual. I don't mind doing some of the work myself to save a few bucks. How can you want everything for nothing? Does not compute

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:40:16 2013 No.4533679 >>4533269 >not tipping at McDonald's, becoming beloved by the staff >especially the fry girl who you start banging >they say she's retarded, but those titties ain't retarded ishiggityhiggity

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:41:16 2013 No.4533681

>>4533668

>implying a sandwich and soup at a sit down place isn't typically cheaper than at Panera, even though Panera uses premade shit
>they have to pay their employees

Seriously though, Panera pisses me off. They're food tastes pretty good but they charge like 8$ for one of those boiled bags of mac and cheese.. and their sandwiches aren't even on the fresh bread they bake. Thieves I tell ya!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:41:16 2013 No.4533682 File: 218 KB, 500x374, blewityadid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533668 > the prices would go up only this much because i claim it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:42:15 2013 No.4533684 >>4533682 well see it's directly added together. with magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:50:16 2013 No.4533697 >>4533631 Sure. But applying the mandatory percentage means at any given SINGLE establishment, two like parties, ordering different food, will pay a different tip percentage, when their SERVER did the exact same work. It doesn't make sense.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:52:15 2013 No.4533703

>>4533697

Sure. It's a pretty stupid system, but unless you want to talk about raising the server wage it's what happens to even it out.

Anyone saying a server just walks food has obviously never done it. Your server at an award winning restaurant isn't just some college kid with a part time job either, those places want years of service industry background.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:52:16 2013 No.4533700 Why don't you guys just get takeout like I do? Restaurant meals in the comfort of my own home with TV/Netflix. Zero Tip required.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:55:15 2013 No.4533705

>>4533697

while yes, there are plenty of shitty diners at the bottom of the chain which exploit their employees and where it's probably harder to work than at a fine dinery (since you're slaving away to serve like four six-tops at once because the place is typically understaffed), serving at an haute cuisine place is much more taxing and requires more training than working at a standard moderate-quality sit-down. you have to work to a much higher standard. so that justifies somewhat higher tips. on the other hand, your customers are also blowing much bigger wads, making it harder to justify being a cheapskate.

but if you feel so strongly about this issue, I suggest you just start making a habit of tipping 25-30% at non-haute-cuisine establishments in order to address the wrong. are you gonna?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 18:57:21 2013 No.4533710 File: 1023 KB, 240x260, 1370230254583.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw I don't tip and I don't give a fuck about you defiling my food

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:00:15 2013 No.4533716 >>4533710 > I don't give a fuck about you defiling my food this is all non-tippers. they obviously have watersports and scat fetishes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:03:15 2013 No.4533722

>>4533705
even if we compare a nice 5 star restaurant, where a dinner for 2 runs between $150-$300, not counting cocktails...at no point does a system where a waiter doing a similar level of work between two tables get a bigger tip because of a difference in food cost, assuming (of course) no tableside service needs to be done for that food (i.e. flambee, tableside dressing, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:03:15 2013 No.4533723 >>4533282 Lurk more faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:03:15 2013 No.4533729 >>4533716 I have a fetish of just not tipping people. ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:05:15 2013 No.4533731 >>4533684 logically speaking, if you banned tips and raised wages in order to compensate, the prices of dishes would only go up by however much was being tipped in the first place. there would be no net change for the aggregate consumer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:05:15 2013 No.4533732 File: 83 KB, 530x395, fuck-the-police.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533661 >yfw the police come to arrest you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:23:15 2013 No.4533771 >>4532564 Remind me why I need to tip anybody other than waiters (who rely on the tips in many cases in the US).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:25:16 2013 No.4533774 >>4533705 You also have to buy nice black clothes to wear, whereas at a diner a woman just needs a clean blouse and skirt/slacks of any colour.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:27:15 2013 No.4533780

>>4533700

Some places have a tip jar for that, but that's more 'starbucks' style where your coin change or a buck is all that's expected and even then not every time, or whatever. It's just a little something nice if they had to get a lot of shit together for you, or whatever.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:30:15 2013 No.4533787

>>4533771

In that case it's just polite I think? It's more literal, 'a little something extra for your time.'

IDK, when I get my haircut I put 15% but that's just haircuttery. At red door I'd tip more and part of that is the training the women go through, and you have to make a reservation and you obviously get the same woman each time so you don't want her to hate you...

It's like handing a buck to the bag boys who carry your shit to the car. In commesaries they're paid through tips alone, they are basically volunteers, and that tradition extends to non military families over time and, etc.etc.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:30:15 2013 No.4533788

>>4533780

yeah barista tipping is far less specific. I worked coffee for years, and I was happy to receive anything from $.25 up. 20% on a $5 coffee is a buck, but I never expected that.

I never wanted anybody's fucking nickels and pennies though. seriously. counting pennies is a dumb hassle at the end of a shift.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:37:15 2013 No.4533807 >>4533787 >It's like handing a buck to the bag boys who carry your shit to the car. In commesaries they're paid through tips alone, they are basically volunteers But it's not, because a lot of these people aren't just paid through tips alone.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:41:15 2013 No.4533817

>>4533787

I agree that you should tip your barber if he cuts your hair the exact way you want it. I rarely ever find barbers I like, so if I like you, you're getting a big tip.

Waiters on the other hand do not deserve tips. They take plates from A to B. It's not a hard job at all. You don't deserve free money, and I don't care about how many times you refill my water. Hell, I'll fucking get up and do it myself if you're too much of a cunt to do your job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:43:16 2013 No.4533820 >being held to ransom by some entitled scrub on minimum wage >infront of your date Maximum over-omega. Prepare to get a "it's not you, it's me" text later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:45:15 2013 No.4533824 >>4533820 Already banged 'em, but thanks.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:46:16 2013 No.4533827

>>4533817

>I agree that you should tip your barber if he cuts your hair the exact way you want it

This. Not to mention you're talking with them, building some sort of rapport, and if they do a good job, you're going to be coming back to the same person.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:50:15 2013 No.4533835

>>4533827

Seriously. If you make me look 2x as handsome and explain how to properly style it and etc.. that's a valuable thing, so it deserves a tip.

If you carry my plate 10m and fake smile at me and make the whole experience based around your trying to suck up to me, that's not valuable, and deserves a kick in the cunt if anything.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:54:16 2013 No.4533841

>>4532542
Something's weird about wherever you were eating then. Most places run your card, and then only bring you the slip to sign afterward. They don't need to take the card back again after you write the tip in.

If I skip the tip, I just write $0.00 on the tip line of the receipt.

And yes, if you keep going back to the same restaurant and not tipping, the wait staff will learn pretty fast. You may not get your food spit in, but you probably won't get good service either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:54:16 2013 No.4533843 >>4533771 what about bartenders??? Only one I would add to the list would be tattoo artists. They honestly don't make much, the house takes over 50% of the tattoo price.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:55:16 2013 No.4533846 >>4533843 >what about bartenders??? Bartenders are just waiters that don't have to move around as much.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 19:59:15 2013 No.4533858

I usually write -- 0 -- on the tip line, or sometimes just put a single long line/hyphen, then write the printed subtotal on the total line. Whatever you want is fine, 0.00, "zero", etc., just fill it in the blanks.

I always leave a cash tip when I do this, and if it's more than a couple bucks I try to ensure the waitperson sees it before or as I'm leaving, so it doesn't get swiped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:03:16 2013 No.4533864 >>4532564 Who the hell tips a bus driver? This is almost as bad as when the mailman comes round begging for tips on holidays, im like nigga you get my mail late as fuck every day, i would rather you lost your job

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:05:16 2013 No.4533870

>>4532542
Without having read what I am certain is a shit-storm of comments, I understand your conundrum. Sometimes the service was shitty, and you just want to pay and get out without tipping, don't feel like causing a scene, and don't want to get into a "thing" with the waiter. I feel you.

Now first, I am confused because they swipe your card BEFORE you write in the tip. It shouldn't be conditional.

Second, just going by what you said, I'd have said that I was going to tip in cash, "so I won't write in a tip." Then do what you want with the cash tip. You could just leave nothing. I have heard that a sign that you didn't like the service is to leave only a penny. Or you could leave nothing, and let him connect the dots.

>Also would waiters actually spit in my food and whatnot if I continued to do this?
I suppose that it's a risk if you return to the same place. But if they're caught, or if you ID a wad of spit in the meal, then the manager will probably fire their ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:07:16 2013 No.4533874 >>4533858 Write cash instead of --0-- on the tip line

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:14:15 2013 No.4533888

>was 16 or 17 and jobless
>a few friends and I go and eat at the local diner
>typical diner fare, okay but nothing special
>we finish eating, none of us have a lot of money because we were jobless
>give our waiter a 1 or 2 dollar tip each
>as we're leaving, friend realizes he forgot his coat on the seat
>goes back in to get it
>the waiter sees him
>literally, in front of his boss, the waiter stares at my friend and calls him an asshole
>an asshole

Glad I never saw the guy again.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:38:16 2013 No.4533920

>>4533870 - me again
I usually write "in cash" on the tip line *anyway*, because I tip ... well, in cash, even when paying the check with plastic.

The reason for tipping in cash is ... I forget, it's something I learned on /ck/ actually, about how that's preferable to servers. Like they don't pay taxes on it, or something. Someone else can explain it better.

I write "in cash" (as opposed to leaving it blank, or writing $0.00) so that if a manager is looking over their receipts, they will know that the service was good enough to merit a tip. (Since if I write in 0, then they might suspect that the service was bad, and not take the server's word for it that I had left a cash tip).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:44:16 2013 No.4533934 >>4533920 I dont know if this is relevant but when you pay cab drivers with plastic they dont get the money until the end of the month, maybe its similar with tips for waiters?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:56:15 2013 No.4533953 >>4533661 How would any of that get into my food? The waiter would only learn they aren't getting tipped AFTER all the food and drink have been delivered.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 20:59:16 2013 No.4533957
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so i was at a fancyish restaraunt last week, and i had really shitty service. after messing up my order, and saying he brought out a bigger piece of steak than usual to make up for it, and then overcharging, and then blaming me for the overcharging id had enough. worst of all, this was a place that autoadds an 18% tip, even for only 3 people. so here is what i did, went up to the front and had the tip removed, then had the tip amount (slightly more but w/e) put in an envelope with the busboys name on it, because he actually did a good job, unlike the dumbass waiter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:06:15 2013 No.4533972 >>4532564 >tfw i deliver newspapers >tfw most i've goten tiped was $20 by one person

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:06:15 2013 No.4533973 >>4532564 Man, I was never tipped as a Mover. Often however, the home owners would order us lunch and give us a beer.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:08:15 2013 No.4533977

>>4533957
That's perfectly acceptable. And I used to work as a server. Bad servers, especially ones that want to blame you or have a shit attitude, don't deserve a tip. When I waited tables, I busted my ass, with a smile on my face, to get the customers whatever they needed to be happy with their meal. I always got nice tips, but that's beside the point. As a server, you have a specific job to do, and that is to attend to your customers, and do it like you love every second of it, whether you hate your job or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:18:15 2013 No.4533989 >>4532852 If you're in Washington state all servers get minimum wage in addition to tips. I feel odd tipping them especially since I'm pretty sure they end up with more than the cook.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:23:15 2013 No.4534009
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Quite a number of aggressive responses in this thread (from former waiters I'm assuming).

Here's the thing: threatening to put biohazardous fluids in someone's food unless they bribe you would be blackmail in any other context. Yet somehow, it's the customer who is being extorted who's made out to be the bad guy.

Entitled waiters are the fucking worst type of people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:24:16 2013 No.4534014 >>4532542 Why the fuck didn't you just write CASH in the tip line then not leave anything. It makes the waiters flip shit on busboys. It's pretty hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:25:16 2013 No.4534016 >>4533888 Probably got fired. I know when I worked at Pizza Hut as a waiter, it was instant termination if you even said ANYTHING about a tip to the customer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:26:16 2013 No.4534018 >>4533657 My grand dad was the head of the state labor department. One restaurant owner just about shit his pants when I told him after I caught him cheating me out of hours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:29:16 2013 No.4534026 >>4534016 I hope so. He was a dick.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 21:59:15 2013 No.4534078

>>4534009

Never waited or worked any other job in my life that received tips. Faggots who don't tip waiters are the worst. Guarantee you that people who don't tip would never tell the waiter that before the meal, and that's because they know it's a fucked up and shameful thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:00:15 2013 No.4534079 >>4534018 >Implying all of us have connections that can make shitty bosses obey laws

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:02:16 2013 No.4534088 >>4532586 >>4532870 Jesus Christ, /ck/, I went to bed AND took a shower and this is still here. Exceeding expectations.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:21:15 2013 No.4534117
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>>4534078

You and the rest of the American public perceive it as so because of the propaganda greedy little business owners who want to pay their staff less than minimum wage push with media. Then in turn, the waiters harass and blackmail you, going so far as jeopardizing your heath, if you don't go along with their syndicate-like operations.

It's just like how if you don't give your betrothed a diamond solitare, you're looked down upon. In fact, the popularity of diamonds is a result of a clever marketing strategy in the 1930s that has remained ever since by taking advantage of men's insecurities. They literally changed public opinion and the culture to fit their product.

So congratulations on upholding the status quo and letting people mind-control you into forking over extra dough.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:48:15 2013 No.4534163

>>4534117

Tipping isn't perfect, but your argument of forking over extra money is idiotic. Lets say that tipping in America was no longer required and restaurants had to pay servers a normal hourly wage. That price difference would show up in the cost of food and drinks. Either way, you're paying for labor.

If you don't tip, you aren't making some grand noble stand against corporations and business owners. You're just fucking over the college student or single mom that waited on you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:51:16 2013 No.4534173 >>4534079 >Implying all of us have connections that can make shitty bosses obey laws lol America.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:57:16 2013 No.4534185 >>4534173 hey dont dis america, or we'll bring democracy to your country

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 22:58:15 2013 No.4534188 >>4534185 S-s-s-sorry I take it back!

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:02:15 2013 No.4534193

>>4534163
good. then that will cause businesses to rethink their operating procedures which will cause many to close, which will send a backlash to suppliers which will in turn have to rethink their procedures to cut cost. fuck those fat cats for passing the costs to us. it should be the other way around

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:10:15 2013 No.4534206 >>4532688 >>4533582 Maybe it also includes school/camp bus drivers? I remember when I was a kid going to day camp during the summer, my mom gave me envelops with bonuses to give to my busdriver as well as my camp counselors or the last day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:11:16 2013 No.4534208 >>4533621 I sometimes see those party buses in NYC and think to myself "how to they dance when the bus is moving...? Are they even dancing?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:15:15 2013 No.4534216 >>4534208 The buses aren't for dancing, they're for drinking

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:38:15 2013 No.4534264 I'm fine with, like, tipping the mailman and garbage dudes during the Christmas season, and the barber whenever I go. In restaurants, however, I don't exactly agree with it.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 23:47:15 2013 No.4534286

>>4534163

What happens when I'm a college student? Aren't people fucking me over for giving me shit service because I don't bribe them? There should be a base level of service, and then tipping should be for extra.

Base level of service should NOT be spitting in my food, ignoring me, being confrontational, etc.. Not even normal everyday people act like a waiter who thinks his tip isn't fat enough.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:02:16 2013 No.4534316

im a pizza delivery guy and if you tip me this is what you should expect:

-your order will be delivered before the other guy's order that didn't tip (if im doing a double delivery)

-typically i make sure that any small sides included with your pizza such as dipping sauce is all accounted for and ill add extras including crushed pepper and parmesan cheese (which is not technically free at my store)

aside from speed and extra attention to detail, you won't get that different of a service when you tip a driver before its delivered

on the other hand if you are a regular customer that never tips (or the type of customer that always asks for remakes) then you can expect to get a lower priority during our busiest hours

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:14:15 2013 No.4534339 >>4533681 > boiled bags of mac and cheese microwaved, actually. sometimes it blackens the day dot sticker on the bag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:18:15 2013 No.4534348 >>4534316 >-your order will be delivered before the other guy's order that didn't tip (if im doing a double delivery) But you tip after the delivery, am I missing something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:30:15 2013 No.4534368 >>4534348 What are repeat customers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:31:16 2013 No.4534369 >>4534368 Can I at least have a hint?

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:35:15 2013 No.4534378

>>4534316
fine, lower priority is not being disgusting and sneezing or spitting in food.

I can understand that in clapperland you are free to not pay your waitstaff but the customer should not be required to tip. if you want to give my money to the staff you can charge a hidden % and just add it to the price.

I do not understand those places that have an 18- 20% premium for tips.
Just hide it inside the normal price and give the fucking waiters their cut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:40:15 2013 No.4534390 >>4534378 >Just hide it inside the normal price and give the fucking waiters their cut. But then people eat at the joint across the street

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:54:16 2013 No.4534417

I used to work as a waiter, and it's a delicate balance. I worked for $2.25 an hour, and if I didn't get tipped, I didn't get paid. But I busted my ass for it, and if I was having a bad day and knew I was giving shitty service, I would actually refuse my tip. Nothing is compelling a customer to pay me for my job, so if I didn't do it appropriately, then why the fuck should I benefit from it?

On the other hand, if I'm doing a damn good job and am responding to your every request within 30 seconds for over an hour, and you tipped me a nickel for a $200 dollar check, you can bet your ass you're never getting prompt service again. (No exaggeration: the Red Hat Society is famous for this)

And finally: WHAT IN THE HELL is with these servers delivering your check along with your meal? I completely understand the importance of moving tables along in order to make money in this industry. But the check along with the meal?!? That's a surefire way to not get any money from me, at least. At least be honest and scribble "thanks for taking up my time, asshole" on a napkin and be straightforward about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:59:15 2013 No.4534427 i always write "cash" in the tip area without leaving any tip and just book it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:08:15 2013 No.4534443 >>4534417 I have asked for my check with my meal because I was in a hurry but I cant think of a single time where they did it without me asking why bring the check out and discourage them from getting desert or coffee after?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:34:15 2013 No.4534512 >>4534443 >why bring the check out and discourage them from getting desert or coffee after? That was my first thought. Must be a shitty restaurant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:38:16 2013 No.4534526 >>4532542 you could cook for yourself, faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:38:16 2013 No.4534527 >be 16 >get summer job in a garden centre >help Indian guy with his herbs and flowers to his car >tries to tip >refuse >goes in his trunk and gives me 5 massive naan breads instead dope shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:40:16 2013 No.4534537 >>4532542 >As in they literally would not process it until I wrote something down in the tip line. >275 posts You faggots are worse than /sci/ and religious threads. I can't believe you fell for this shit.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 02:43:15 2013 No.4534678

>>4532564
so no one in the u.s. actually gets paid in full to do their work?

Fuck that, I may be from a miserable shithole of a country but if you want to charge something that's what you get, make me very happy and you will get a tip.

Nobody expects a tip but everybody knows if the do a hell of a job they'll get rewarded.

How much do you tip your builders?
Here it's customary to give them 10-15% if they do a good job in time with a nice finish, also you would buy them food and beer at least twice in a contract.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 02:54:15 2013 No.4534710

>>4534390
no because your restaurant can proudly say, you don't need to tip the waiters, they get paid to work.
also don't be afraid because these motherfuckers will not spit in your food or do disagreeable things, plus the staff will probably be happier knowing they will get paid and work better because it's a good job.

Good staff + "please don't tip" = fuck it I like it here "maybe I'll actually give these people a little tip"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 03:25:15 2013 No.4534783 File: 63 KB, 837x467, SMUG LIGHTYEAR smrt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532542

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 04:31:15 2013 No.4534878 If it's one of those places where you order at the register but they bring the food to you, do you tip?

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 04:44:15 2013 No.4534895

>>4534678
>so no one in the u.s. actually gets paid in full to do their work?
Most jobs are paid in full; the tipping guide covers some of the few jobs, all in the service sector, where tipping is customary, and waiting tables is by far the most common. In most states, waitstaff can be paid at a "subminimum" wage, around $2 an hour, instead of the federal mininmum wage of $7.25 an hour, with the expectation that most of their income comes from tips.

>How much do you tip your builders?
If you mean for housebuilding, most US houses are built by large development companies, and the buyers often have no contact with the builders. With custom builders, when you're dealing with work so expensive it involves detailed contracts, I don't think a tip wouldn't be expected.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 04:56:15 2013 No.4534909

>>4533771
I feel like the whole 'relying on tips' thing is bullshit, at least in Ohio, where I live.

If your total take-home money from your wages and tips is less than what you would have made as an untipped employee, then your employer is REQUIRED to make up the difference. As untipped minimum wage is $7.70 per hour here, and I think the tipped minimum os like $3.50, this is a substantial difference.

However, it's basically impossible to actually live independently on minimum wage, and I'm sure someone is going to point out how I'm wrong, but whatevs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 05:09:15 2013 No.4534929 >>4532542 Holy shit nigger. Tipping is mandatory in some places, discretionary at others. It depends on the law.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 05:22:15 2013 No.4534950 >>4534929 >tipping >legally mandatory Where?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 05:56:16 2013 No.4534989 >>4533106 ~200 million workers * 200 dollars == a lot of debt paid off retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 05:58:16 2013 No.4534992 >>4533277 >ADDING ONE FIFTH TO THE ENTIRE BILL Jesus christ, no wonder America is poor as fuck. Just don't give them anything. You want to get paid well? How about you GET A FUCKING REAL JOB AND STOP BEING A WAITER YOU CUNT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:05:15 2013 No.4534996 >>4532542 The reason you needed to put something in that tip line is so that the waiter couldn't write in a different amount later. I've been to quite a few places that require it. You could have easily put in 0.00 if you wanted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:19:15 2013 No.4535005 Why in Gods name would I tip a barber? Or a bartender? its 9 dollars for a fucking drink, and they want a tip? I don't go to places where tipping is mandatory. You want to make more money? Get a real job.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:22:15 2013 No.4535009
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I have told the server I'll tip in cash (some agree)..then not tip or I leave all the water glasses upside down & they have a fucking disaster to clean make sure to put a penny in the glass so that they can't slide anything underneath it ...there is the tip

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:30:15 2013 No.4535019 >>4534537 I've actually been in a Chinese buffet before where the waitress waited for the tip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:30:15 2013 No.4535020 >>4535009 >sheeting on the table Ahhhh! Almost got me...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:36:15 2013 No.4535024 >>4535020 pic was just an example piece of paper on top of glass flip glass pull paper out leave on table

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 06:56:16 2013 No.4535039 File: 36 KB, 651x422, Bullshit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532942 Don't give me that shit. It's a minimum wage job and the restaurateurs are trying to make us foot the bill for their shitty employees. Pic related as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 09:32:16 2013 No.4535219 >>4535039 Whenever a server screams 'WE WORK FOR TIPS' at you, just point them to this. Fucking con artists.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 10:04:17 2013 No.4535268
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>>4532556
>the tip line already filled in

lmao. this only happens at restaurants frequented by poorfags who consider it an unusual treat to eat at a place with table service and don't know how to conduct themselves.

inb4 durr durr party of 10 or more. op was eating with one other person. it was probably olive garden or cheesecake factory or some shit like that where rednecks take their common law spouses out for their birthday and wear their sunday best.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 10:39:20 2013 No.4535323

>>4532542
My wife and I got shitty service at Steak and Shake once. When we went to the counter to pay, I skipped the tip line and was about to give the guy ringing us up (who wasn't our server, by the way) the receipt back. He knew that our service was shitty that night, so his face didn't contort in contempt at all when he motioned to take the receipt back.

But then my wife grabbed the receipt and pen out of my hand, and wrote "$0.00" in quite an obnoxious styling and then rudely handed it to the guy. We both looked at her stunned. I laughed my ass off when we got outside, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 10:44:20 2013 No.4535332 >>4533513 Wow. I don't work for tips anymore but you are one unreasonable asshole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 16:22:00 2013 No.4536260 >>4535332 He's a lot nicer than most of 4chan about tipping. At least he tips 10% for bare minimum of competent service.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:47:00 2013 No.4537054

>>4536260
And most of 4chan are miserable little shits. What's your point? He's still an unreasonable asshole. Someone makes a mistake and they're out of a tip? Even a measly one? If you refuse to pay someone to do something you can do yourself, then don't fucking go their place of business. It's better you do that than go there and waste your waiter/waitress' time.

I mean, consistently getting your shit wrong, I can understand. Having you wait for eons for the most basic of shit, I can understand that. Moving about the restaurant with no sense of purpose or urgency, I can understand that. But leaving no tip at all because he/she brought you a diet coke instead of a coke? Or if your steak was well done and you wanted it medium rare? The first is minor, and the second is quite possibly NOT your server's fault. The cook's don't get a tip so they don't give a fuck.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 21:39:56 2013 No.4537138

>>4535219

I've had a bartender scream this at me before, my first time at a bar. I had no idea you're 'supposed to' tip the bartender ($1 for inverting a fucking bottle, give me a break.) Then these catty bitches came up to me and said 'you're not THAT person, are you?"

Fucking shits. Make a whole experience unpleasant for a single fucking dollar. People who work for tips are the scum of the earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 22:41:02 2013 No.4537242 >>4537138 If you don't want to pay someone to do something you can do yourself, then fucking do it yourself, maybe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:11:06 2013 No.4537279 >>4537242 Hop behind the bar and pour my own drink? Yeah nah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:13:06 2013 No.4537285 >>4537279 Or maybe buy your own shit and drink it at home. Maybe invite some company.

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