Halal meat

[Anonymous No.4474254]

What do you think of halal meat, /ck/?

[Anonymous No.4474258]

shit's kosher

[Anonymous No.4474257]

You won't fool me into answering this, homeland security.

[Anonymous No.4474261]

The halal butchers where I live (from bangledesh as far as I can tell) usually have great stuff. Much better chicken than the crap you get at the grocery store. Maybe not quite as fancy as the shit at the farmer's market but if I'm going to make a whole bunch of stock, the halal butcher is my favorite source.

Though I have to admit their penchant for using a skinned whole lamb with bugged out eyeballs for "decoration" in the storefront is a little unsettling.

[Anonymous No.4474260]

I would eat it, because I'm not the kind of guy with dietary restrictions.

[Anonymous No.4474262]

>>4474254
I suppose it depends on what percentage of it is pork a to what I think of it.

[Anonymous No.4474266]

>>4474261
>unsettling
Seriously? Man up.

[Anonymous No.4474268]

>>4474262
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-22479712

Seems to be up to 50%.

[Anonymous No.4474269]

>>4474266

If you say so.

[Anonymous No.4474272]

>>4474269
what am I looking at here?

[Anonymous No.4474273]

>>4474269
The only things in that picture which bother me are the unnecessary mess and the use of the bathtub.

[Anonymous No.4474275]

>>4474257
You can tell me. I'm not hiding in your closet or anything. I promise.
>>4474260
It's not mainly for restrictive reasons, I'm more concerned about how it is for the animals. I know slaughtering will always be a bit stressful and painful for the animal, but minimizing it should be no question.
>>4474261
I love making stock, and that's one reason I'm looking for a proper butcher. I get bad quality meat quite often from the grocery store. I can see why a severed head would be unsettling, but it also indicates freshness and you shouldn't be afraid of what you eat.

I've read that cutting the animal's throat kills the brain quickly and the animal doesn't have much time to register pain from blood loss. Stunning it first lets the brain continue to register pain. Any convulsing after slaughter is due to the blood loss, and not the animal reacting to pain. Does anyone know more about this?

[Anonymous No.4474293]

>>4474275
>I've read that cutting the animal's throat kills the brain quickly and the animal doesn't have much time to register pain from blood loss. Stunning it first lets the brain continue to register pain. Any convulsing after slaughter is due to the blood loss, and not the animal reacting to pain. Does anyone know more about this?
That is pretty much all you need to say, the animal passes out due to blood loss in a few seconds time and any spasms you see are just the last twitches of life leaving its body, which happens to anything in the last few moments.

[Anonymous No.4474295]

>>4474275
Minimizing it is required, at least in related Kashrut laws. All of those arbitrary sounding rules about using a clean, sharp knife and cutting in a single stroke and shit is derived from a single biblical commandment, to "slaughter as I have instructed you." Which is nebulous at best, but since the rules specifically include not feeding on meat that was allowed to suffer, nor taking a limb from a still-living animal, part of it is avoiding suffering.

There are some fucking vile slaughterhouses, no doubt, but that they're doing it with a knife and "technically" following the rule doesn't really make it much better than similar factory farms that use a pneumatic hammer. The point is factory farms are horrible.

I'm jewish, but pretty shitty about it. I don't keep kosher, or anything I'm supposed to do, but have my own arbitrary set of rules that I feel follows the spirit, if not the letter, of the law.

Sukkot, for example, is an excuse to go camping for a week and eat and drink a lot.
Passover is a big dinner as an excuse to eat and drink a lot.
Tu B'shevat is an excuse to go into the woods, plant a tree and have a cookout and drink a lot.
Hannukah is an excuse to have a big family dinner, exchange gifts and drink a lot.
I think if god existed, he'd be cool with my methods of keeping his law.

[Anonymous No.4474299]

>>4474258
Except its not. Goyim. Kosher food is actually all Halal but Halal meat is NOT Kosher.

[Anonymous No.4474309]

>>4474295
I keep kosher-lite. I can't afford kosher meat on my budget, so I just buy regular beef, chicken etc., but avoid pork, shrimp, etc.

Kosher meat costs, man. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.4474311]

>>4474295
>not mentioning Purim
The best excuse to drink a lot.

[Anonymous No.4474318]

>>4474293
That's what I read, and it seems like stunning it so it doesn't happen is better for the person slaughtering or any onlookers, but not the animal itself. Also that it's easier to mass produce meat if the animal isn't moving while being slaughtered.
>>4474295
I know that not every halal butcher would do it properly or with care for the animals. They're still people and people do bad things sometimes. But, after being sold spoiled meat repeatedly from my local grocer, I'm willing to try somewhere else, and proper halal meat seems like it's better for the animals. I know someone who is Jewish and is similar with it the way you are. Those holidays sound pretty cool to me.

[Anonymous No.4474327]

>>4474311
I don't really have to do much modification to purim for it to be drinking a lot. That list wasn't exhaustive.
Basically everything but Yom Kippur is "find a tangentially related activity and do it while eating and drinking a lot"
Yom Kippur is "spend a day not eating and feeling guilty for doing stupid or mean things, and maybe try to apologize to someone if possible."

>>4474318
yeah, the Halal and kosher butchers advantage is that you're getting less spoiled garbage, and you're less likely to get fluid pumped and meatglued abominations that grew up in filth immobile in cages and that jazz. Halal and Kosher butchers are specialty shops, and you get better quality there, the same way you get better produce at a farmer's market than Walmart.

[Anonymous No.4474354]

i was a ups driver for a few years & had to 3 of these on my routes
all 3 were filthy
i just remember tons of flies buzzing around the food

[Anonymous No.4474363]

>>4474299
http://www.isaiowa.org/content/Halal-Information/Halal-Education/Why-Kosher-is-not-Halal.aspx

[Anonymous No.4474380]

>>4474327
>less spoiled garbage
I hope so. Every time I buy any meat that's on sale, it's either close to spoiling or spoiled. And occasionally the meat that isn't on sale is the same. After reading about people cooking chicken breast and having them explode because they've been injected or whatever else, I try to just buy plain packaged meat. I love farmer's markets for that reason. Not to mention it's usually cheaper too.

[Anonymous No.4474394]

>>4474363
>http://www.isaiowa.org/content/Halal-Information/Halal-Education/Why-Kosher-is-not-Halal.aspx
Special snowflake religions really need to die.

[Anonymous No.4474404]

>>4474394
>Jews really need to die
FIFY

[Anonymous No.4474405]

>>4474272
a heart and some organs in a bloody bath tub
>>4474273
thats the best place so you can just rinse away after

[Anonymous No.4474413]

>>4474275
>I've read that cutting the animal's throat kills the brain quickly and the animal doesn't have much time to register pain from blood loss. Stunning it first lets the brain continue to register pain. Any convulsing after slaughter is due to the blood loss, and not the animal reacting to pain. Does anyone know more about this?


I've read that it was the other way around. Stunning the animal ceases all pain registry whereas an animal bleeding to death would still feel pain for somewhere around 2-3 minutes.

[Anonymous No.4474416]

>>4474413
Not if you cut an artery and major vein open it doesnt. You pass out pretty quick, it takes seconds.

[Anonymous No.4474449]

>>4474416
Well, I'm just going by what I read in a couple articles.

This is one of the places where I found some information on it.

http://www.grandin.com/ritual/slaughter.without.stunning.causes.pain.html

Sounds like there's a lot of factors that go into the slaughter and it's difficult to track whether a butcher follows all of the rules required and what not.

[Anonymous No.4474450]

What's Halal Meat? From the islamic imagery I assume it's like regular meat but they terrorize the animal some more before they slaughter it

[Phil Ossiferz Stone !!esSirF6LRYN No.4474455]

I think it's a barbaric fucking custom from a barbaric fucking culture that practices a barbarous code of ethics.

[Anonymous No.4474460]

>>4474455
sup /k/. how are those illegal Puerto Rican immigrants working out

[Anonymous No.4474471]

I think since it's the only way I can buy lamb offal in this town I don't give a shit how it's killed or who prays to what while they do it. Makes no difference to me, and unlike all the old white Lutherans around here they'll butcher and sell something other than steaks, chicken breasts, and ten kinds of brat.

[Anonymous No.4474475]

>>4474460

Yes, because following the "rules" from a pedophile who believes in an invisible man who lives in the clouds makes perfect sense.

Tell me how Obaaaaama is The One again.

[Anonymous No.4474496]

>>4474475

you're just mad because you thought Puerto Rico was another country

[Anonymous No.4474515]

>>4474293
This.

And I'm a huge fan of Halal butchers, in my experience they're always very clean and the meat has a high turnover.

Most importantly for me, the ones I've frequented in tend to do a lot of cutting to order. I used to order two or three pounds of lamb leg at a time, for instance, and asked them to chop it for me in large cubes. So they would take the whole leg on display in the case, cut about three pounds' worth of the leg off, then cube the meat. Much nicer than a case full of dry or oxidizing chops/steaks/cuts of meat or meat prewrapped in plastic.

[Anonymous No.4474531]

>>4474449
I think when it's done properly, it seems like it's better than stunning. Of course, both kinds of methods will be bad for the animal if not done properly.
>>4474515
The cleanliness is another main concern. But, if it's the only halal butcher that I saw in a muslim area, it might be decent. Cutting to order would be nice. I dislike being forced to buy too much meat at the grocery store.

[Anonymous No.4474540]

>meat slaughtered within a set of rules

...it's meat?

[Anonymous No.4474563]

>>4474540
No, it is a living animal that feels pain before being killed and becoming meat.

[Anonymous No.4474571]

>>4474563
It was a slow and dumb, so it got eaten.

Biology 101.

[Anonymous No.4474575]

>>4474563

so give it some anesthetic or something. it's still food.

[Anonymous No.4474576]

>>4474563
It was slow and dumb, so it got eaten.

Biology 101.

[Anonymous No.4474582]

>>4474563
>feel bad
>murder and eat it anyway

oh that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.4474584]

>>4474575
I don't think it would be healthy to eat meat that has been drugged. The rules are supposed to prevent the animal from suffering more than it has to.
>>4474576
Yeah, we wouldn't really be able to eat something smarter, faster, and stronger than us. That doesn't mean it should suffer more than necessary.

[Anonymous No.4474587]

>>4474584
>not making Velociraptor Chili
>20 years after Jurassic Park
Shigydiggy

[Anonymous No.4474590]

>>4474582
Only humans can be murdered. I don't feel bad about killing an animal and eating meat, but I would feel bad if an animal was slaughtered in a way that made it suffer more, when there is a better way to do it.

[Anonymous No.4474593]

>>4474587
>Not making T-Rex chili
pleb

[Anonymous No.4474597]

>>4474584
>That doesn't mean it should suffer more than necessary.
That's why we have bolt guns and sharp knives.

[Anonymous No.4474605]

>>4474597
That's one point of this thread. A study showed that using a bolt gun first lets the brain register pain longer than just cutting the throat and draining the brain of blood within seconds. Halal slaughter doesn't use bolt guns, while western slaughtering usually does. In one video, the person cuts the throat, and within a second or two the animal stops moving. After that, it might convulse, but it's from the loss of blood, and not pain.

[Anonymous No.4474621]

>>4474605
no.

[Anonymous No.4474633]

>>4474605
Do you really believe that a shot through the spinal cord lets anything live longer than bleeding out through the neck?

[Anonymous No.4474639]

>>4474621
>>4474633
Actually it is true, it just depends on the skill of the person who is doing it. Then again that would require you two to have a basic knowledge of how a closed circulatory system works.

[Anonymous No.4474643]

>>4474633
why would a spinal fracture kill them faster? The cause of death is bloodflow to the brain ceasing. If that's because the blood is gushing out of the neck, or because the nervous system can't tell the heart to pump blood, either way, you have a brain that's completely starved of oxygen in seconds.

[Anonymous No.4474651]

>>4474621
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd3PSX2397A&t=0m10s

[Anonymous No.4474659]

>>4474496

>implying I was another poster.

Again, following the "rules" from a pedophile who believes in an invisible man who lives in the clouds makes perfect sense.

Kosher and halal are fucking retarded. It's adherents and apologists are nothing short of intellectual slaveholders.

[Anonymous No.4474672]

>>4474659
you're just jealous god doesn't give a shit what you do.
It's like we're the honor child and you're the ADHD retard mom just gave up on.

[Anonymous No.4474678]

>>4474659
Notsureiftroll.jpg

I don't know why the religion bashing is necessary, I think OP was interested in halal butchery and how it affects the animal... not how true or false Islam is.

As for me, I'm just a fan of quality meat and butchery in general, and if "intellectual slaveholders" can provide, then I'm cool with that.

[Anonymous No.4474682]

>>4474659

[Anonymous No.4474688]

>>4474672
>>4474678
>>4474682

Enjoy your dhimmitude

[Anonymous No.4474695]

>>4474678
Thanks, and don't worry too much about it, I expected that when I made this thread. I want to know if the halal method is less painful or more painful for the animal. The Islamic part isn't a big concern.

[Anonymous No.4475141]

>>4474659

look at all that edge

[Anonymous No.4475149]

>>4474659
Your post was like the edgy bell of summer ringing loud and clear.

[Anonymous No.4475198]

>>4474394
>>4474404

>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.4475204]

>>4474688
You sure told them! XD

[Anonymous No.4475205]

>>4475198
>>>/truth/

[Anonymous No.4475209]

>>4475205
That's not a board.
Why are you trying to link him to a nonexistent board?

[Anonymous No.4475228]

>>4475209
Sorry to hear about the autism, anon-kun :(

[Anonymous No.4475232]

>muslims worrying about ethical implications of their beliefs
No, ha, just no.
Marrying a 9 year old child is Halal

[Anonymous No.4475244]

>>4475228
>Haha AUTISM XD
You sure are clever.

[Anonymous No.4475262]

>>4475232
Get 'em while they're pure, I always say.

[Anonymous No.4475279]

I haven't eaten it extensively enough to tell a difference.

[Anonymous No.4475659]

>trusting muslims
>any year

seriously?