Going Veg

[Anonymous No.4448721]

The thread about the public school in NY going vegetarian got me thinking. I already try to be environmentally and ethically conscious with the shit I buy, so why not change up my diet to reflect those values too?

So I'm going to give vegetarianism a shot. What are some good cookbooks, sites, documentaries, anything to lead me on my quest for veggie burgers.

[A girl that will break the rules !!HoD47VKsSK0 No.4448743]

Food Inc
Forks and knives
Fat Head

[Anonymous No.4448768]

So here's some info about going vegetarian / vegan.

First is the movie Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, the one with the guy who lost tons of weight and cured
his own painful and debilitating condition by consuming only fruit and
vegetable juice, check it out: http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122

If you decide to try a vegan / vegetarian diet, be sure to replace
milk with soy milk or another fortified milk substitute, and get enough protein from nuts, beans, and tofu. However I should mention that you don't need as much protein as you probably think you do. The soy milk also contains your calcium and
vitamin B12, which are the other crucial things that a vegan diet
needs. I take a multivitamin every day too just to get the full
battery of nutrients & vitamins.

Here are some more ideas and info for new vegetarians / vegans to make
transitioning easier:
http://www.tryveg.com/cfi/toc/?v=06making
http://features.peta.org/VegetarianStarterKit/
http://www.veganoutreach.org/guide/

Hope this helps. There're lots of vegan recipes out there for any kind of meal you might want to make. It's really not that hard to make the switch, give
it a try and go forward in small steps, eating vegetarian one day a week, then two, then three, etc until you're ready for full time... I'm confident you can do it OP. Like Obi-wan Kenobi once said "You've taken your first step into a larger world."

[Anonymous No.4448775]

http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html

says more cows will reverse global warming

[Anonymous No.4448805]

>>4448775
>http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html

http://www.inexactchange.org/blog/2013/03/11/cows-against-climate-change/

Says that Allan Savory has no idea what he is talking about.

The beef industry is the #2 cause of Global Warming. Not the solution.

[Anonymous No.4448813]

>>4448805

No studies have shown Savory's methods to actually work. Take a look at this, for example. "We can end global warming, just get more cows!" pretty much just sounds like he was paid off by the Cattleman Association.

http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:272969

[Anonymous No.4448828]

All these vegetarian threads have got me thinking, about how it's the same group of posters told to shitpost here from their cult headquarters.

[Anonymous No.4448842]

>>4448828
>Straightens tinfoil hat.

There are hundreds of millions of vegetarians in the world, and thousands going vegetarian every day. No shit there's posts about it on a food forum.

[Anonymous No.4448853]

>>4448828
Let me guess, you are overweight?

Not vegetarian, in fact I am an avid hunter, but I always imagine the "hurrrr for every animal you don't eat I'll eat 3" retards being obese. It is so fitting - fat people thinking they can critique the eating habits of anyone else.

[Anonymous No.4448854]

>>4448721
1. pull peen out of your butt
2. ????
3. profit!

[Anonymous No.4448869]

>>4448842

I've been on /ck/ for a while, the majority of vegetarian threads were simple how do I make vegetables taste better or cook more with them. 5 or so months back, for some odd reason, this board pretty much exploded with veganism propaganda. You'd have to be an idiot to miss it, there's already three vegan bitching threads going on right now.

[Anonymous No.4448894]

>>4448768
>http://www.tryveg.com/cfi/toc/?v=06making
>http://www.veganoutreach.org/guide/

Thanks, very helpful.

[Anonymous No.4448915]

>>4448853

Exactly. It's ridiculous how someone can simply make a thread on here asking about a vegetarian recipe, and in swoop trolls to call them fags.

We have dozens of meat threads every day on here and I don't see vegetarians posting in them trolling people, so they deserve the same respect.

[Anonymous No.4448916]

Going veggie or vegan is going to cause shit posting on both sides but here are two thoughts:

1) have you tried a vegan food? Often the people making it are not very good cooks, look into dishes of countries that have large veg/vegan populations like India

2) Which is more sensible to me, portion control, move your diet to eating much smaller portions of meat at every meal and get protein from other sources, beans, nuts, and increase your veg intake. I think this is a good step to see if you can live on this type of diet.

[Anonymous No.4448932]

>>4448915

Pack of lies, there are ten times more vegan threads than meat eating threads. People asking how to make a chicken sandwich, is not the same as a thread purely for vegan propaganda videos and speeches. There was probably one or two meat appreciation threads, in response to the hoards of vegan threads, and even those were shitposted by butthurt vegans with "tell me you can eat meat after you look at this video" comments.

[Anonymous No.4448961]

>>4448915
>deserve the same respect
most of the vegetarian/vegan threads that are appearing are an infectious lot of "it butter for da whirled" "y u no good as I" bullshit with people posting talking points to win votes, including this one.
>environmentally and ethically conscious
>change diet to reflect those values
get rid of the constant retching forth of idyllic jetsam and it MIGHT not look so much like a flaming brown paper bag on the doorstep

[Anonymous No.4448965]

>>4448805
cows are carbon neutral

[Anonymous No.4448984]

>>4448932
>there are ten times more vegan threads than meat eating threa

Look at the catalog. I count 10x more threads about meat than I do about veganism.

[Anonymous No.4449020]

>>4448768
>stopped eating mcdonalds
>started eating fruit
>got healthier

hur

[Anonymous No.4449030]

>>4448916
>1) have you tried a vegan food?

Yeah, I've eaten at plenty of vegetarian and vegan restaurants, so I know that the food is just as good as any steak or sushi. Only problem is the only things I know how to cook are burgers and lamb chops pretty much. And for baking I dunno how to bake without butter and milk.

So just need time to learn.

[Anonymous No.4449039]

>>4449030
There are plenty of fine subs for milk and butter if you choose to go that way it will just never taste the "same". I have several friends that are vegan for mainly a moral choice but since I don't see it that way I think just a sensible meat portion is the way to go.

I still don't say go all in if you want to try it but start doing a 50/50 and keep moving until you are happy with what you are eating.

Spices and diversity of them is going to be your friend.

[Anonymous No.4449044]

>>4449039
Also, are you going veg or vegan to many they are two different "animals" if you will.

[Anonymous No.4449058]

>>4449044

I don't think I'm ready yet to try going full vegan, but maybe somewhere down the road I will give it a try. I think I'll incorporate some simple things, like using almond milk for my cereal, and Earth Balance instead of butter on my toast.

The Vegan Outreach guide listed a lot of good looking substitutes, I'll make a trip to the store tomorrow and get a few to try out.

[Anonymous No.4449089]

Learn to cook with tofu
watch every single tofu cooking video on youtube and you will be a god

[Anonymous No.4449102]

>>4449058
>environmentally and ethically conscious
Just don't make that the driving force to overpay for stuff you don't need, look into veg culture because people have to eat it not because they choose to.

There you will find dishes you can eat and live on.

[Anonymous No.4449118]

Here's how, OP.
1. Shove your fucking head up your ass, you insufferable self-righteous fuck
2.???
3.PROFIT

[Anonymous No.4449173]

>>4449089

There's this Korean dish, sundubu, where the tofu is god tier. Most divine protein I've ever had, better even than kobe beef.

A lil Googling came up with this vegetarian version, I'll try to learn it.

[Anonymous No.4449174]

>>4448721
The ethical arguments for vegetarianism are complete shit. I can only assume that your environmental and ethical consciousness on other matters is equally facile.

[Anonymous No.4449177]

>>4449102
this. Know that markets are targeting overpriced shit right at you, the new vegetarian

[Anonymous No.4449183]

>>4449177

What type of stuff? Exotic shit in Whole Foods, I understand, but the basics, almond milk, veggie dogs, all of that stuff looks about the same price as the meat version from what I see so far.

[Anonymous No.4449188]

>>4448743
You like propaganda?

[Anonymous No.4449191]

>>4448721
>The thread about the public school in NY going vegetarian got me thinking, I made that thread yesterday and you faggots took the bait so why not make a few more today?

[Anonymous No.4449234]

>>4449188

How is Food Inc. propaganda exactly?

[Anonymous No.4449862]

What about cookbooks? Who are considered the celebrity chefs of vegetarian cuisine?

[Anonymous No.4449873]

>>4449862
>celebrity chefs
Fuck off, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.4449879]

>>4448721
>stamping his name on something he didn't draw
God dammit I fucking hate Matt Groening.

[Anonymous No.4449884]

>I already try to be environmentally and ethically conscious with the shit I buy, so why not change up my diet to reflect those values too?
I hate vegetarians who take on this messiah complex.

[Anonymous No.4449894]

>>4449876
heheheh, being bad at being a mexican
3 internets for you!

they should have bought beans and rice the fat fucks

[Anonymous No.4449896]

>>4448842
There are hundreds of millions of stupid people in the world, and thousands going "full retard mode" every day. No shit they are shitposting about their stupid ideas on a food forum.

[Anonymous No.4449899]

Theres a difference between vegetarians and vegans. Vegetarians tend to eat only vegetables and dairy and generally don't make a big deal out of it. There are quite a few vegetarian recipies that are delicious. Vegans are holier than thou pricks.

[Anonymous No.4449911]

>>4449899
>Vegans are holier than thou pricks.

All the vegans I've known were very kind and never judging. They all grew up eating meat for most of their lives too, so they know they don't have the right to judge.

Whenever you try to sum up an entire group of people in a single sentence, you're going to be just resulting to incorrect stereotype.

[Anonymous No.4449916]

>>4449911
Fuck off and die, vegan scum.

[Anonymous No.4449918]

My little sister went through a hardcore vegan phase. She once threw out five pounds worth of bacon and insisted that we put the dog on a vegan diet. And she still owes me fifty bucks for ruining a filet migon I was gonna make for my dad's birthday.

[Anonymous No.4449922]

>>4449911
The only vegetarians I've known who weren't sanctimonious pricks were a former roommate and people who grew up vegetarian as members of Vedic/Karmic religious or as old school (not fundamentalist) LDS (Mormons) as old school LDS are to eat meat sparingly, if at all. The rest were mostly awful and a few were slightly annoying.
I've never known any vegan to be anything other than a complete bastard.

[Anonymous No.4449929]

>>4449918
>insisted that we put the dog on a vegan diet
Vegans are awesome. As long as you don't have to deal with them, that is. Watching others try to deal with them is massively entertaining, though.

[Anonymous No.4449937]

>>4449929
We had to take the dog to the vet.

[Anonymous No.4449946]

>>4448721
Godspeed OP. Im vegetarian for 17 years

[Anonymous No.4449957]

>>4448721
How is killing plants any different from killing animals?
> but..but animals feel pain
Every living cell can feel the pain in one form or another.

Pic related :
Baby plant fetuses one minute before dying in a pan of boiling water.

[sage No.4449968]

>>4449957

[Anonymous No.4449974]

>>4449957
>Baby plant fetuses

[sage No.4449977]

>>4449974
quote unqoute

Also this :
not convincing but quite interesting

The Extrasensory perception of plants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t982ytY9w6E

[Anonymous No.4449983]

>>4448721
Eat fish and especially shellfish, they are evil and deserve to be eaten. Chickens are also pretty evil, but not as much as the beastly inhabitants of the seas.

[sage No.4450005]

>>4449977

nytimes
"No Face, but Plants Like Life Too"
By CAROL KAESUK YOON
Published: March 14, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/science/15food.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And so on..
You are killing a living being whether it's plant, a bacteria or animal.
If you wan't to be "clean". Eat only the flesh of things that had died naturally.
Do such a *nism already exist?

[Anonymous No.4450008]

>>4449983

Overfishing is the most severe problem we face right now, in my opinion. Hundreds of species going extinct, and everything set to collapse by 2050.

http://overfishing.org/

[sage No.4450012]

>>4450008
>http://overfishing.org/
Can't you like grow your own fish?
I once met some guys from Kambodia and they told me that in their village people dig a hole in a ground and raise fish in them (in the middle of the country).

[Anonymous No.4450015]

>>4450005

Not this guy again.

[Anonymous No.4450016]

>>4450012
http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2008/06/30/diy-grow-your-own-fish-for-food-at-home/

[Anonymous No.4450023]

>>4450005
>Do such a *nism already exist?
Kinda sorta, but (natural) saprophytes don't really discriminate based on how something died.

[Anonymous No.4450039]

I posted this thread looking for resources on vegetarianism, not for trolls to try and equate slaughtering mammals to picking basil leaves.

If you disagree with vegetarianism, that's fine, just hide this thread. No need to go on a monkey-feces-flinging marathon.

[Anonymous No.4450043]

>>4450023
>saprophytes
Google search for "Human saprophytes strange diet" gives nothing relevant. Guess it's still a song of the future.

On the other hand I have found a couple other strange stories during the search process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

What have we become?

[Anonymous No.4450044]

>>4448768
How would you modify that for somebody who can't eat soy? (Unfermented soy makes medication for hypothyroidism less effective, in my case)

[Anonymous No.4450050]

>>4450039
> Not posting this thread to feed the trolls.
Here..i'll google/yandex that for you :

http://libgen.info/search.php?search_type=magic&search_text=vegan&submit=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA


http://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Cookbooks-complete-List-Good/lm/R21EHXTB9BIMOP

http://www.myvegancookbook.com/blog/

http://www.101cookbooks.com/vegan_recipes/

[Anonymous No.4450069]

>>4450044

Modify what part?

[Anonymous No.4450073]

>>4450069
I'm dumb, I meant the soymilk but I missed the "another fortified milk substitute" part.

[Anonymous No.4450074]

>>4450012
Theres a billion streams in America and Europe stocked with hatchery trout SOLEY for the purpose of catching and eating.

You can go to any fucking lake or river and catch catfish/crappie/yellow perch or anything else and keep it if you want.

Do you even realize how many privately owned ponds there are in America?
It's like Vegans are retarded or something.

[Anonymous No.4450075]

Once I get my own place, I'll probably cut out all meat except for what I hunt/fish myself.

Factory farming is cruel, and harmful to the population at large. Not to mention being fucking gross.

[Anonymous No.4450082]

>>4450074
That's what happens when you have poor nutrition for year after year.

[Anonymous No.4450090]

>>4450016
Will this eventually pay for itself, or is it just a hobby you do solely because it's fun?

[Anonymous No.4450092]

>>4450075
I suggest trying Mud turtle.

It's amazing.

[Anonymous No.4450100]

>>4450075
>thinks factory farming is cruel
>"hunt/fish myself."
What the fuck am I reading?

[Anonymous No.4450108]

>>4450090
Dunno mang.
I raise and eat Mealworms because it's a cheap and efficient way of obtaining natural "meat" (proteins) .

[Anonymous No.4450109]

>>4450073

Ah, yeah, there is almond milk, rice milk, coconut milk, hemp milk, oat meal, and others. Tons of alternatives.

[Anonymous No.4450115]

>>4450074

Lemme make sure I'm understanding you. Your solution to overfishing is private owned ponds? The only reason these pounds are currently sustainable is because not that many people source their fish from them. If you suddenly had the world's population of billions sourcing their fish from ponds, the system would collapse overnight.

[Anonymous No.4450129]

>>4450115
>Lemme make sure I'm understanding you
You really are functionally retarded. Then again, vegan is as vegan does.

[Anonymous No.4450131]

>>4450115
lel. He said nothing about it being a solution to overfishing.

Nor would it require the entire worlds population to stop overfishing.

He also mentioned 2 other alternatives that weren't private owned ponds.

[Anonymous No.4450144]

>>4450115
Please, do explain what is wrong with the idea of me having a pond in my backyard filled with fish, which gets eaten by me and my family.

[Anonymous No.4450457]

>>4450144

That's fine and dandy for you, but those of us living in cities don't have backyards, let alone ponds, and likely don't care enough about eating fish to spend time and $ driving out to a river/stream/pond.

[Anonymous No.4450469]

>>4450129

Nice try, I'm not even vegan.

In response to overfishing you guys bring up simply having fish in your backyard. If you did not mean it as any solution to the issue of overfishing, but merely as a personal solution for yourself, why even bring it up? This isn't a thread about how you personally get your food.

[Anonymous No.4450493]

>>4450469

Actually that does help - the reason for most overfishing is the tragedy of the commons in fishing areas, which makes fish artificially cheap. Have the producer bear the cost of raising the fish, and you'll have less overfishing.

[Anonymous No.4450541]

I don't wanna fight about the environment ;_;

OP, check out the Moosewood cookbooks. They're popular because the recipes taste like food and not like sadness.

[Anonymous No.4450647]

>>4450469
A personal solution for myself is the only valid solution. I don't give a floop about "Mother Earth is crying bullpie". Also this thread is about a guy who instead of using google decided to ask 4chan for advice (not on /adv/ btw) but ended up with a worthless thread because of people like me who were just bored because there was a national holiday yesterday in my country (guess which one is it) and there is still nothing interesting to do till monday.

Btw. Serious question for Vegans/Vegetarians : have you ever considered eating bugs that do not possess a full blown nervous system (ie no brain)?

[Anonymous No.4450743]

>>4450541
>Moosewood cookbook

Will check it out, thanks.

I don't know why, but I never realized that people torrent cookbooks. Just typing in "vegan" gave me a bunch of what appear to be all the famous ones, so I should have enough recipes to last me a lifetime now.

[Anonymous No.4450785]

>>4450743

It's me the troll from earlier.
I woke up in a better mood to talk about shit so here is the link that you might appreciate.
Glad you have learned how to look for torrents.


http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=vegan&nametype=orig&view=simple&column%5B%5D=title&column%5B%5D=author&column%5B%5D=series&column%5B%5D=periodical&column%5B%5D=publisher&column%5B%5D=year

[Anonymous No.4450799]

>>4450457
I can assure you there are very few places that don't have short driving distance to a pond/lake.

[Sceak !!LciZj2frsW6 No.4450806]

>>4448721

Wikipedia has an article on it, covers essential nutrients.

[Anonymous No.4450852]

fat vegeterian who doesn't give a fuck about shit here.

no one gives a fuck, myself included

also that
>hot dog hot smog
pic, yeah, also h2o is the most significant greenhouse gas yet people don't bitch about water now do they?

[Anonymous No.4450857]

>>4450852
oops, misspelled vegetarian there

also I should mention if you go vegetarian just to eat imitation meat products you should just kill yourself. Defeats the whole point. It's like raping a chick but not cuming inside her because "that's wrong", it's still wrong if you rape her (and yes I mean actual rape, not that feminist shit they call rape when it's really just hurting feelings) even if you don't cum in her.

[Anonymous No.4450864]

>>4450647
no, still is a living animal
there are retards though that claim they're vegetarian yet they eat fish or only one select type of meat (like pepperoni), clearly they are not actually vegetarians

[Anonymous No.4450865]

>>4450852
Gives a fuck about what?
You seem to be mad but for what reason?

[Anonymous No.4450878]

>>4448916
>have you tried a vegan food
yes
i eat vegan all the time

but to me it's just food
i cannot stand the tumblr social justice haze surrounding entire genres of food

[Anonymous No.4450896]

>>4450864
So where is the low end?
Flatworms?
Sponges?
Or is it based on purely conventional division to animals and the rest?
What about fungi then?

[Anonymous No.4450902]

Shred some white radish and toss it with honey. Also flat ginger ale is a god-send when ill.

[Anonymous No.4450905]

>>4450864
Vegetarians eating fish. Is is not it pretty much what the catholic dogma trying to sell today? Don't eat meat at friday's..but fishes are ok because Jesus once said ... etc.

[Anonymous No.4450907]

>>4448768
And heres a video about how all our smelly farty animals can save the climate, your move faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

[Anonymous No.4450981]

>>4450907
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

>2013
People still believe that humans have a significant impact on the planet's climate change.

[Anonymous No.4451039]

>>4450905
It's ok to eat fish, 'cos fish don't have any feelings.

[Anonymous No.4451058]

>>4451039
Brainless chickens also does not have feels.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/

Would a vegetarian eat a chicken born with no brain?

[Anonymous No.4451096]

>>4449188
>You like propaganda?
You probably don't realize how much the dairy, meat, corn, etc. industries lobby and spend on public "education".

Not even vegetarian and haven't seen the movies mentioned, but you should really look from both angles.

[Anonymous No.4451099]

>>4450043
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-vegetarianism

We need another war ...

[Anonymous No.4451102]

>>4449234
If you don't agree with something, it is propaganda.

[Anonymous No.4451108]

>>4451102
You are pretty much correct on that one captain obvious.

[Anonymous No.4451149]

>>4451099
Why the hell does this have a wiki page?
What the hell is this?
Why call it anything at all?

[Anonymous No.4451176]

>>4451096
you should study biology, and learn the science before you make judgements and form opinions

[Anonymous No.4451485]

>>4451176

"Science" says that vegetarians live longer and have a significantly decreased chance of getting most diseases.

http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/337301

[Anonymous No.4451488]

>>4451485

science is only ok if it agrees with my preconceived opinions. if there is an apparent conflict, I prefer to take a cautious "wait and see" approach.

[Anonymous No.4451491]

>>4451488
>apparent conflict,

For over a decade now I see nothing but studies saying vegetarianism is healthier. Never seen a large study that has conflicted with it.

[Anonymous No.4451496]

>>4451491

but one could come along any day now. I wish you irrational vegetarians would stop being so irrational. if I don't eat crackling pork belly and succulent pan seared steaks every day, I might run out of vitamin B12 or something. also, something something science.

[Anonymous No.4451501]

>>4451496
>but one could come along any day now.

This is true. This is the reason I refuse to drink water. They say it is healthy for us. They say all life needs water to survive. But look at studies done 50 years ago. Almost all are proven wrong now. Any day now someone will realize water is what causes death, and people who don't drink water live forever.

[Anonymous No.4451504]

>>4451491
>>4451488

It's selection bias on populations. Fat ass porkers who overeat on cake are less likely to be vegetarians because it restricts diet. So even if meat was healthier, you'd see a skew towards the vegetarian population being healthier.

[Anonymous No.4451538]

>>4451504

The studies use general population, though, not just the subset that eats at Heartattack Cafe in Vegas every day.

And can't say it's just America because Americans are obese. Studies in UK have same results.

[Anonymous No.4451546]

>>4451538

Right - but how many porkers are also vegetarian? Much less than those that are not, so they get put into the non-vegetarian category and bring down the average.

I've known plenty of vegans and vegetarians who eat like shit, and plenty who don't. But chronic overeaters are almost never vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.4451586]

I never really realized how vegetarian Lisa is.

Creators of The Simpsons also donate millions to Sea Shepherd , so I guess it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.4451599]

>>4451485
Why why why do they keep comparing these studies to the standard american diet, even when they go so far as to separate it out and demonize it

Even the China study did that shit. Quit trying to sell the next big documentary to netflix and start actually doing some data processing for chrissake

[Anonymous No.4451606]

>>4451599

As opposed to comparing them to what?

[Anonymous No.4451618]

[Anonymous No.4451635]

This thread is full of so many fucktards that it hurts. And you all wonder why people hate you. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4451642]

>>4451635

Someone needs a veggie burger.

[Anonymous No.4451655]

>>4451642
someone needs to realize what a waste of air they are
and veggieburgers are the epitome of retarded vegetarian food

[Anonymous No.4451664]

>>4451655
>veggieburgers are the epitome of retarded vegetarian food

Clearly you've never tried a black bean burger. One of the best burgers I've had in my life.

[Anonymous No.4451672]

>>4451664
and I rest my case

[Anonymous No.4451683]

>>4451672

I rest my case that you've never tried one.

[Anonymous No.4451699]

>http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/vegetables-recipes

Pretty much everything on that page. Inb4 Jamie Oliver hate, the guy has some really really good and quick recipes.

[Anonymous No.4451712]

>>4451699
>http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/vegetables-recipes

Some of those look great, but others have meat.

[Anonymous No.4451747]

>>4448721
I'm not a vegan, but my roomates father has been diagnosed with cancer for a while now. He has switched his diet from being a meat-lover to a vegan, and has actually been improving somewhat.

This guy has a couple of really, really nice grill set-ups and cant even use them.

>feelsbadman.jpg

[Anonymous No.4451755]

>>4451606
How do you purely compare diets when you're dealing with vegetarians generally being more health-minded in general (if somewhat pompous about it)? It's like looking at two models of cars over the course of 10 years and deciding one is obviously longer lasting when a large portion of one side didn't go in for checkups and shit.

[Anonymous No.4451772]

I'm not a regular visitor to /ck/, but I have noticed that every time I do visit, there is a constanst shitstorm between vegans/veg/meat eaters.

Why can't everyoe just respect other peoples opinons and leave it at that. You probably aren't going to change their opinions, and when you go all crazy it is just further enforcing their belief sets.

Just tollerate their opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but you don't have to shit-post.

I don't know, that is just my view on the situation. I'm sure people will troll me for this view.

[Anonymous No.4451778]

>>4451772
It's the internet, people are going to have heated bullshit discussions about stuff.

[Anonymous No.4451783]

>>4451772
because every single veganshit/vegetarianshit thread is started with shitty attitude, preachy bullshit, or pure idiocy

[Anonymous No.4451788]

>>4449173
I honestly don't know much about the topic of vegetarianism, but are eggs seen as acceptable in the vegetarian diet? It looks like there is an egg in the one dish, so i'm just curious.

If so, why?

[Anonymous No.4451801]

>>4450100
Not that guy, but if someone was all canibal on me, I think I would rather take my chance living in the wild than being farmed.

Not being a troll, just a little drunk so it probably doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.4451803]

>>4451788
vegetarian=no meat
vegan=no animal products
eggs, milk, cheese are all up for grabs being vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.4451807]

>>4451772

This is the sensical, mature, adult way to handle diversity.

But people often forget this isn't /b, so not surprising people shit post everytime someone mentions the word "vegetarian"

[Anonymous No.4451808]

>>4450864
Not the guy you are replying to, but isn't them only eating a few meat products better than them eating every meat product they possibly can?

[Anonymous No.4451814]

>>4451788
>If so, why?

I can't speak for everyone, but I think plenty of people only feel ethically strong about eating the dead body of an animal directly.

Millions of baby male chickens are ground up alive by the egg industry since they have no value, so yes there is a death toll for eggs too, but I don't think many vegetarians think of it that way.

[Anonymous No.4451815]

>>4450864
I could be wrong, but I think what he is refering to is that the fact that vegetarians are seeking to emulate meat. If they see it as so wrong, why do they want to create a product that is essentially the same?

[Anonymous No.4451819]

>>4451772
the anti-vegetarian side always shows up to shitpost
first negative post is
>>4448828

[Anonymous No.4451825]

>>4451815

Why not try to emulate meat? It's the suffering/slaughter of animals people are opposed to, not the actual taste and texture.

Most all of us grow up eating meat. It's a big part of our food culture. So it makes sense people want vegetarian versions. Plus it makes it easier for people transitioning if all they have to do is replace their hotdogs/sausages/burgers with meatless ones at the grocery store.

[Anonymous No.4451840]

>>4451825
I'm not disagreeing with you, I can see the logic behind both view points.

But it is kinda like if you had a prohibitionist that exclusively drank non-alcoholic beer. It kinda just seems strange, you know?

I can't blame them though, most of the vegan food I've tried, I haven't been a fan of. Though, it honestly might have just been the person cooking it.

[Anonymous No.4451850]

>>4451840
Same guy here, and this is a straight retarded post, I know.

What if we gave the animals a shit ton of pain-killers and whatnot? If they got really, really fucking high, and never really suffered. Would most vegans/veggies be fine with that?

I'm not even saying that you kill the animal to eat. Like if I raise a cow, and get that mother fucker high as a kite his whole natural life, and one day he dies of old age. Would they be fine with eating him, knowing he probably had a better life than most humans?

I know it is a fuck-tarded question, but I'm drunk and curious.

[Anonymous No.4451861]

>>4451850

It's the suffering that is an issue for most people. At farm sanctuaries, chickens often just pop out their eggs and don't care about them, so the staff will cook with them even though they're all vegans and animal welfare advocated. Why? Because they know the chickens didn't suffer, the eggs are just lying on the ground.

But plenty of people wouldn't eat animals even if the animal died of natural causes, I'm guessing, just due to taboo. We have the same thing with cannibalism: practically no one would eat a person even if they died of natural causes.

[Anonymous No.4451873]

>>4451861
Gotcha. Thanks for not trolling me :D

[Anonymous No.4451882]

>>4451819
>the anti-vegetarian side

Anti-vegetarianism makes no sense to me.

Not wanting to be vegetarian oneself, sure, I get that. But hating other people for going vegetarian? Most idiotic thing imaginable.

[Anonymous No.4451888]

>>4451882
leave it up to the idiots to think that any criticism of their idiocy is because of something other than what is criticised

[Anonymous No.4451890]

>>4451888

I haven't seen a single constructive argument against vegetarianism on /ck. It's always just "fag" "idiot" etc.

I guess not surprising since it's likely only trolls anyway.

[Anonymous No.4451905]

>>4451890
This is exactly my point. Personally, I have yet to criticize vegetarianism. I do criticize the attitude that most of the vegan/vegetarian threads posted here have, because most of them are shit. If someone is being a faggot or an idiot, you then your reason for someone else calling them a faggot or an idiot. Granted, I do see a lot of shitposting about vegans and vegetarians even if it's a rare instance of them not deserving it, but then, given the constant barrage of crap that is spewed forth in the name of veganism, that's somewhat understandable.

[Anonymous No.4451907]

>>4451890
>I haven't seen a single constructive argument against vegetarianism on /ck. It's always just "fag" "idiot" etc.
That's because you have a blinding persecution complex.

Just today alone someone was comparing the nutrition of quality meat with several grains needed to get the same protein and amino acid. But you probably glanced over it because you were too concerned about your appearance rather than truth.

[Anonymous No.4451932]

>>4451907
>protein

Arguing about protein doesn't fall under constructive criticism to me, since it's not an issue in reality. The idea of "more protein the merrier" doesn't have any validity in nutritional science. Americans over-consume protein big time on average. Just eating normal shit, even without meat, you will get your DV of protein without even thinking about it.

For higher protein consumption of 1.5g per lb of body weight, such as for strength athletes/bodybuilders you can just use protein isolates like everyone else.

The protein issue is most idiotic for vegetarianism, since vegetarians can still eat whey isolate which is the most highly bioavailable protein source in existence.

[Anonymous No.4452012]

>>4451932
>eat random veg diet
>acquire all necessary amino acids

Sir, would you be interested in purchasing the Golden Gate Bridge?

[Anonymous No.4452033]

http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/

Read this first if you are considering going vegatarian or vegan.

[Anonymous No.4452064]

>>4452033
>raw-foodist website
>no reliable sources

Take your bullshit somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.4452754]

Proof that OP is always a faggot. I hope you choke on a fucking carrot.

[Anonymous No.4453263]

>>4452012

If you just have a normal balanced diet, you will get every amino acid. Pulling a Chicken Little and worrying about the sky falling is more sensical than worrying about not getting enough amino acids imo.

[Anonymous No.4453272]

>>4452754
He's going to marry a carrot.

[Anonymous No.4453285]

>>4453272
>4453272

[Anonymous No.4453799]

This chick's food is awesome.

http://chefchloe.com/

[Anonymous No.4454019]

Can we please just have a strong divide between vegetarians and vegans.
There's enough call for Vegetarian recipes that it's pretty much going to be a permanent topic of discussion,
but that doesn't mean that we have to go into these vegan side issues.

[Anonymous No.4454077]

>>4454019

Veganism is a rapidly growing market.

[Anonymous No.4454087]

>>4454077
but most of the "Socially Conscious"
/pol issues are involved with Veganism.
And that's not come down on their side or against them. Just to say that there's enough of a significant difference between Vegetarianism and Veganism, that /ck should be able to have Vegetarian threads that don't get derailed into it.

[Anonymous No.4454144]

I'd be interested but

>dat protein deficiency

I don't really see the point in taking vitamin supplements either. Seems unnatural.

[Anonymous No.4454165]

>>4454144

[Anonymous No.4454205]

>>4449188
oh ho, challenging the paradigm, must be propaganda

[Anonymous No.4454211]

>>4450100
I dunno, maybe the fact that hunting/fishing doesn't involve animals living in such close proximity to each other in a (literally) shitty environment and being in distress most of the time.

also NOT vegetarian, I just make sure I'm happy with where my meat comes from

[Anonymous No.4454213]

>>4454211
You've never seen the results of wild game being overpopulated, have you?

[Anonymous No.4454228]

>>4448721
OP, I'm neither a vegan nor vegetarian, but I'm supporting your decision.

However, if you have and infant or a toddler, they should still be kept on breast/cow milk because soya milk is inadequate for their needs.

Other than that, go loco. Try some pita with dahl, or green mango salad. Asian cuisine--especially South and Southeast Asian--is loaded with vegetable- and fruit-based food.

[Anonymous No.4454254]

>>4454144

Everything has protein in it. And why would you need vitamin supplements if your diet suddenly includes tons more fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts? That's where vitamins come from

[Anonymous No.4454259]

>>4454228

>if you have an infant, they should still be kept on cow milk

Yeah, if OP's baby is a baby cow

[Anonymous No.4454280]

>>4454259
yep, i know Anon. it's a suitable substitute though. even newborn puppies are fed cow milk fortified with an egg yolk if the mother is unable to provide enough milk.

[Anonymous No.4454285]

>>4454280

And then those puppies die, and we call it a "howlin' Montana"

[Anonymous No.4454321]

>>4454280
>it's a suitable substitute though

Maybe in the early 1900s before they knew anything about nutrition. Every health organization in the world now will tell you to NEVER feed a baby cow's milk.

Infant formulas based on dairy are completely different than actual dairy. They heavily modify the protein content to be suitable for infants, and fortify them.

Soy-based formulas undergo the same fortification etc, and are suitable for children. (Note, soy FORMULA. Not soy milk.)

[Anonymous No.4454521]

>>4454213

It's nothing like factory farms.

A hen in a factory farm lives on a smaller space than your iPad.

[Anonymous No.4454530]

>>4454521
Are you suggesting we give IPAD's to chickens.
Retarded Vegans care about how much suffering their chicken goes through and not the factory workers who suffered to make their IPAD

[Anonymous No.4454558]

>>4454530

We don't lock up Chinese people in cages they can't move in, force them to make iPads, then slaughter them. The comparison is strange.

Are the wages there low? Only when put into USD and you try to apply it to cost of things here. Their salaries are average for China, and they can live off of them. One of my penpals lives in Shenzhen and worked at the Apple plant for a time. It's the same as any factory work: long hours, boring as shit, not good pay. But that's the reality of factory jobs.

Would it be nice if factory conditions in developing countries were better? Definitely. Is any suffering of workers tolerable? No. But people saying "vegans don't care about the farmers picking their plants" etc, are nonsensical arguments. Most vegans I know are humanitarians as well.

[Anonymous No.4454565]

>>4454558
Well then you've met some good ones, or I've met some bad ones, because the ones I've met were vapid and naive, and talked about animals as if they were sapient,

[Anonymous No.4454567]

>>4454565

Dude, 99% of humans aren't sapient if you ask most people.

[Anonymous No.4454568]

>>4454558
You don't seem to know how Chinese factories work.

[Anonymous No.4454576]

>>4454568

Factory conditions suck worldwide. Don't think people in US factories don't suffer from long hours, shitty and unsafe conditions, commit suicide, violence against their families, etc. All the major slaughterhouses in the US, like Tyson, employ a huge percent of illegal immigrants that they treat like shit and then just deport when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.4454580]

>environmentally and ethically conscious
>vegetarianism
http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.4454596]

>>4454580
>http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

This has been debunked so many times.

http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/1mc

A lb of beef takes 13+ lbs of grain to produce, and has less calories than a lb of grain. In other words you're killing 13x more animals when you take into account the insects/lizards/rats etc. that are in the fields and killed in the harvesting process.

Animals certainly do die in industrial crop production, but it's still far less than a meat diet.

[Anonymous No.4454619]

>>4454596
You still have the issue of disintegrating natural flora and fauna by dedicating that land for farming grains compared to animals that just use that land when farming them.

[Anonymous No.4454641]

>>4454596
>http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
I prefer grass fed meat. Animals that have been allowed to graze can sometimes be a little tougher, but definitely have more flavor than grainfed.

[Anonymous No.4454707]

>>4454619

Grazing for livestock causes huge amounts of species extinction, and overall death, through deforestation and habitat loss. 200 species in North America alone are threatened by habitat loss due to the meat industry, and elsewhere the problem is a hundred fold. As has been noted, 80% of the deforested Amazon Rainforest is used for cattle.

Thinking of all the species wiped out there just so we can eat hamburgers is mind bogglingly depressing.

[Anonymous No.4454715]

>>4454707
>>4454641
>>4454619
>farming
>raising animals
>not hunting/ gathering
Get serious, people!

[Anonymous No.4454717]

>>4454707
And the species that will be removed because of mass grain production just to eat something somehow shittier than a burger is just flat out stupid.
You forget that this is presuming if the majority went vegetarian, not just if it's just the few like it is not

[Anonymous No.4454822]

>>4454707
These are the sort of things that do concern me though, Arguments about the impact on the planet, and the overuse of anti-biotics.
Not these crazy vegans who want me to care about the living conditions of chickens.

[Anonymous No.4454891]

>>4454822

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated" ~Gandhi

[Anonymous No.4454902]

>>4454891
That is cute. Trite, but cute.
I'm not ruling out doing something about the suffering of animals.
I am saying that my priorities lie with solving the problem of human suffering.
They are not mutually exclusive. But when they come into conflict one should always rise above the other.

Vegans concern about eating only things that have not resulted from animal suffering has always been on such a small scale, that I can only surmise that it is mainly a way of cleansing their conscious and not really about the well-being of all living things.

A kind of spiritual materialism, primarily about maintaining a good self-image.

I want none of that.

[Anonymous No.4454988]

>>4454891
Who the f*** cares what Gandhi said?
Is what he said a fact?
Where is his scientific source on which he bases his statement?

[Anonymous No.4454997]

>>4451808
The point is that isn't vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.4455003]

>>4450864
I'd eat bugs, if it was processed, and raised in a clean way.

Say if it was ground bug-meal. Then it's just protein and you can cook with it.

But then, I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just on a low-meat diet, So I'm not the demographic that you wanted to ask

[Anonymous No.4455067]

Been vegan for three years now and it was the best decision I've ever made..

A few of my favorite recipe sites:

www.chefchloe.com/vegan-recipes.html
www.olivesfordinner.com
www.findingvegan.com

My favorite documentary:
www.earthlings.com

General tips and information:
www.vegankit.com


Good luck!

[Anonymous No.4455071]

>>4455067
Oh, and I forgot to post this!
http://pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/go-vegan-its-easy/

[Anonymous No.4455086]

>cut meat out of diet
>eventually cut dairy out of diet too
>be a vegan by default
>if I mention this on the board, people instantly hate me and think I'm some weird-ass 90 pound homosexual hippie liberal arts major who burns down meat clinics

I'm just a guy who feels better as a whole when I eat plant foods. I like fruits, I like nuts, I like grains, and I even like vegetables. I'm healthier than I've ever been by far. Don't lump me in with those people who you would hate regardless of what their diet was

[Anonymous No.4455155]

>>4455086
I wouldn't worry about obese people judging you because, "you don't know how to eat properly".

I wish there was a fat icon beside the name of any fat posters in vegan/vegetarian threads. I have a suspicion there are many.

[Anonymous No.4455188]

>>4455086
> burns down meat clinics

I lol'd

For a while I was aiming for meat three times a week but it's hard enough to only eat meat for one meal a day.

Certainly I could do it if I had more time on my hands but making tasty healthy meals with only vegetables takes a lot of thought and usually more shopping effort.

[Anonymous No.4455341]

>>4455188
The best way to learn how to eat vegan in my opinion is to do it cold turkey - you'll learn fast.

That's what I did anyway (after watching Farm To Fridge it was an easy decision for me).

I think I mostly ate saltine crackers and Diet Coke for the first few days but then I started to get the hang of reading labels. There are a lot of foods you wouldn't expect to be vegan that are, and after a while it becomes really easy. You won't even have to think of it. It's really no more effort than cooking animal based foods, just have to learn some new methods of cooking. And it was actually fun for me trying out all the different vegan foods I had never tried before.

[Anonymous No.4455355]

>>4455341
>I started to get the hang of reading labels. There are a lot of foods you wouldn't expect to be vegan that are

One would think the opposite to be true; that there would be more foods that you would assume are totally vegan-friendly, only to find they have milk, eggs, butter, milk protein, etc. in them. How does one be surprised at what is vegan, unless they were already looking at vegan foods?

[Anonymous No.4455387]

>>4455355
Well for example, Oreos (in the U.S. at least) are vegan. Things like that.

You're right though, there are also a lot of foods that should be vegan, but aren't.

I'm just saying it gets easier once you learn to read labels and after a while you wont even have to really do that because you know what's vegan and what's not.

[Anonymous No.4455416]

[Anonymous No.4455994]

>>4455387

US has a hard on for dairy. There is evil milk in condoms, it's insane.

[Anonymous No.4456179]

>>4448721
If the animal is already dead. Why oppose to eating it? If the animal was killed, and no one even ate it, that would be a huge waste.
Makes its death all the sadder and more tragic, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.4456257]

>>4456179

Supply and demand. Animals are killed because people buy the meat. Less meat bought = less animals killed to produce the meat.

It's a gradual process.

[Anonymous No.4456350]

>>4456257
But let's say it's meat from a school/work-cafeteria where you haven't paid for any of it and where your consumption of it doesn't alter how much they purchase?

Or say, if you are invited over for dinner and that they have already prepared the meat?
Thanksgiving or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4456456]

>>4456350

School and work cafeterias buy products based upon how much they estimate they need. If people aren't eating their meat, they will buy less of it.

And if you have vegetarian guests for Thanksgiving, you'll adjust the amount of turkey you have, and amount of vegetarian dishes, accordingly.

If it's only one vegetarian in a party of 100 meat eaters, then yeah maybe you choosing to eat/not eat it won't have much of a logistical difference, but it's all about the bigger picture.

[Anonymous No.4457999]

>>4456179

>If the animal was killed, and no one even ate it, that would be a huge waste.

Why does it matter if it's people eating it or flies and bacteria? Nothing in the world gets wasted, the earth recycles its resources

[Anonymous No.4458027]

>>4457999

Ay, vultures need it more than us. We have agriculture damnit.

[Anonymous No.4458042]

>>4456257
so you care less about the immigrant workers making nothing to pick your vegetables than the animals who literally have no idea what's going on because they've purposefully been bred to be stupid? sweet logic

[Anonymous No.4458059]

>>4458042
>they've purposefully been bred to be stupid

The fuck are you talking about? We've bred animals to be large as hell, it has not impacted their intelligence whatsoever. Pigs are one of the most intelligent animals on this planet.

[Anonymous No.4458062]

>>4458042

You are aware that the immigrant workers in slaughterhouses face even shittier conditions than the ones picking vegetables, right? The injuries that occur to the illegals in slaughterhouse are horrible.

So if it's the welfare of immigrants you're worried about, better stop buying factory farm meat man.

[Anonymous No.4458069]

>>4458059
lol you just keep spouting your wisdom sweetie

[Anonymous No.4458095]

>>4458042
Are you fucking kidding?

That reminds me of this dumb bitch's logic: http://vegansaurus.com/post/7493601068

And pigs are smarter than your dogs. They literally go insane in their gestation crates where they can't even turn around essentially their entire lives.

“Those who describe animals as not having any thoughts or feelings come closer to that description than the animals they are trying to describe.” - Edward Alberola

[Anonymous No.4458103]

>>4454891
>>I like to give girls enemas~ ghandi
>>4458095
>>I'm a fucking retard
domestic animals are ours, I mean that in a very litterall way too, They cannot exist without us, they are dependent on us and would be easily out competed in the environment. we either eat them or let them go extinct.

[Anonymous No.4458104]

>>4458069

Pigs are more intelligent than human 3 year olds. The shit we put them through for the sake of bacon is pretty tragic.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pigs

[Anonymous No.4458112]

>>4458103
Pigs for one easily adapt to the wild. Stop perpetuating bullshit thought up by batshit overly defensive omnivores.

And as if you care about animals going extinct. You're just using that b.s. to try to defend your shitty habits. stfu

[Anonymous No.4458114]

>>4458103

Dependent on us for what? Sticking them in cages they can't even move in for the duration of their lives, and then slaughtering them?

There are populations of wild chickens, pigs, and cows, not to mention animals that are taken care of on farm sanctuaries, raised by families, etc. The species will not go extinct simply because we stop mass eating them.

[Anonymous No.4458116]

>>4458112
>And as if you care about animals going extinc

Well, if someone cared about animals going extinct they wouldn't eat commercial meat. As has been talked about before, the meat industry is responsible for crazy amounts of species extinction due to habitat loss.

80% of deforested Amazon rainforest = pasture for beef production.

[Anonymous No.4458122]

>>4458114
and they don't do so for free you dumbfuck, they eat the animals.

[Anonymous No.4458126]

>>4458104
>>4458112
I love eating all parts of the pig, but yeah. Pigs don't need us. In fact, pigs that escape captivity learn to fuck our shit up really quickly. They can knock down fences and take food from gardens and farms.

[Anonymous No.4458128]

>>4458126
pigs are pigs, not bores, bores will fuck their shit up and out compete them badly, no matter how much shit a pig fucks up, a bore will fuck up more and are already doing so on a much much much larger scale than domesticated pigs could hope to.

[Anonymous No.4458130]

Its all vegan, but it should still be a great resource to get you started. Have fun OP!

http://www.theppk.com/recipes/

[Anonymous No.4458149]

>>4458122

Farm sanctuaries eat animals? Lol.

There are people that love farm animals, have the acreage and money, and just take care of them without eating them. Farm animals aren't going extinct if the world goes vegetarian, even if you assume they can't live in the wild, which many, like pigs, can.

[Anonymous No.4458201]

>>4458149
god damn youre dumb, you really do not understand how competition works. just because they don't die immediately when they step out of the gate does not mean their fate isn't sealed. they are poorly endowed to protect themselves or compete against wildlife, the cows will be slaughtered, the pigs out competed by the fiercer wilder boars, the chickens run down, and the sheep with little protection. These animals have been bread 10,000 years to be fucking docile. they will be extinct, sanctuaries aren't going to do much, theyre like zoos and pandas. a leaky cork on a broken bottle.

[Anonymous No.4458209]

>>4458201
Pigs integrate with wild boar populations. Remember Hogzilla from a while back? That wasn't a pure wild hog. He was at least part domestic.

[Anonymous No.4458949]

>>4458201

The world won't go vegetarian over night. The question of, "But what will we do with the animals? We have to slaughter them or we'd just slaughter them because we have no more use for them!" is void.

It's supply and demand. As the demand slowly decreases, so does the amount of animals slaughtered.

Almost as idiotic as the argument that was tossed around for slavery: "If we illegalize slavery millions of slaves will be without jobs and won't be able to support themselves or their families, and they can't exist in society. It's for their best interest they remain slaves."

[Anonymous No.4458991]

tofu is really inexpensive compared to most meats

that alone makes a lower meat diet kind of appealing

[Anonymous No.4459032]

[Anonymous No.4459072]

>>4458991

Yeah, vegetarian diets are much cheaper. Yet somehow there is a myth they're more expensive. Makes no sense since meat uses far more resources to produce.

The only reason meat is even affordable is because we subsidize the shit out of it with tax payer money.

[Anonymous No.4459080]

>>4459072

Actually not that much. The reason why shit meat is cheap is we subsidize the fuck out of corn, which is used to cheaply feed cows. Grass-fed beef is a whole other thing, one which is much better nuitritionally as well.

[Anonymous No.4459088]

>>4459032
And meat eaters whine about vegans being obnoxious...

[Anonymous No.4459100]

>>4459072
Imitation meat products are often more expensive than the things they are trying to imitate. Also, a head of broccoli costs more than a cooked cheeseburger.

To be honest, I just don't get meat substitutes. There are plenty of great foods that aren't trying to be meat.

[Anonymous No.4459193]

>>4459100
>Imitation meat products are often more expensive than the things they are trying to imitate

Think it just depends on brand. Tofurky hot dogs are the same price as normal hot dogs in my grocery store.

[Anonymous No.4459199]

>>4459100
>Also, a head of broccoli costs more than a cooked cheeseburger.

Somebody here hasn't been to a Mexican market, I see.

[Anonymous No.4459206]

>>4459199

Sure, the broccoli is cheaper there. But so is the beef for the burger!

[Anonymous No.4459222]

>>4459206

Vegetable and fruits can be a little pricy, but grains and lentils are way cheaper than meat for calories. If you go with a meal of vegetarian Indian food it is easier on the wallet than steaks or burgers.

[Anonymous No.4459313]

>>4459100
its mostly a rising technology, if it ever does become cheaper than meat, maybe more than self important faggots will eat it. I buy like a poor person, Most of my meat is purchased 1$/lb, and then frozen in large quantity, you can't do that with a lot of vegetables, (got a huge bag of peas and carrots though)

[Anonymous No.4459388]

>>4459313

I just buy vegetables as I need them for a recipe, no need to horde them in bulk.

[Anonymous No.4459416]

>>4459100
A head of broccoli is bigger than a cheeseburger too. What a retarded comparison.

[Anonymous No.4459421]

>>4459416

Size doesn't matter, despite what women say. It's about calories, and a cheeseburger has far more than broccoli. Not that I wouldn't rather eat a sauteed broccoli over a cheeseburger any day.