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[Anonymous No.20225477]

School me on Japanese Whisky. Ive never had it and looking for a bottle $60 and under. Was thinking of pic related to start.

[Anonymous No.20225487]

>>20225477
Overrated as fuck. Get scotch or bourbon. If you like lighter whiskeys, go Irish whiskey.

[Anonymous No.20225501]

>Wine, new world >:(
>Whisky, Japan <:O

[Anonymous No.20225503]

It's all pretty good. If you like bourbon, try Kanekou

[Anonymous No.20225505]

>>20225477
I agree with first anon here >>20225487
I've tried countless whiskies in my 28 year drinking career

[Anonymous No.20225515]

>>20225477
Japanese whisky was heavily influenced by scotch and Irish whisky, though usually with more subtle flavors as the Japanese pallete is usually more suited to milder flavor profiles in general.

[Anonymous No.20225582]

>>20225487
This.
>>20225477
I bought this once out of curiosity--it tastes like feet.
>>20225503
If it isn't made in Kentucky it isn't bourbon. Just because the US doesn't have the extreme purity laws of the UK which regulate what you can call Scotch or how you can label wine doesn't mean some nip slapping a Bourbon label on a bottle of whiskey magically makes it Bourbon.

[Anonymous No.20225588]

>>20225582
I didn't say it is bourbon, I said if you like bourbon, try Kanekou

[Anonymous No.20225591]

>>20225477
I bought this but haven't tried it yet, my friend who enjoys whiskey said he really liked it though and recommended it to me.

[Anonymous No.20225597]

>>20225588
Fair
My apologies anon. My autism is often at odds with my dyslexia.

[Anonymous No.20225600]

>>20225597
there there friend, it will be okay

[Anonymous No.20225606]

>>20225591
that looks really good anon.. crack it open and post a review

[Anonymous No.20225620]

>>20225606
Gonna pop it open once weekend hits and my friend who recommended it comes over, too much of a manchild to drink alone

[Anonymous No.20225626]

>>20225606
Weeb here
It's good but not worth the price compared to what you can get that is domestic. I'd defiantly try a bottle but just to verify that you can get better for 1/2 the price.

[Anonymous No.20225641]

>>20225626
>defiantly try a bottle
No one is gonna try and stop you bud.

[Anonymous No.20225645]

>>20225477
the tasting notes sound very appealing to me, might risk picking up a bottle even if these replies say to look elsewhere unless someone could recommend a very similar flavor profile but better. would be very appreciated
>>20225591
nigga whiskey? from the hood?
>>20225641
that laugh felt surprisingly good, thanks

[Anonymous No.20225656]

>>20225645
>nigga whiskey? from the hood?
Nah, that's Nikka Whisky from the barrel

Totally different from the Coffey Grain.

[Anonymous No.20225691]

>>20225487
>>20225505
>>20225582
>Overrated as fuck
don't listen to 4chan morons anon
>If you like lighter whiskeys, go Irish whiskey
moron take. Irish whisky is a big category which include single pot still and single malt whisky, which aren't "lighter"

[Anonymous No.20225700]

>>20225691
Fanatical weeb detected. Hai arrigato desu! Moshi moshi! Ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.20225712]

>>20225656
was entirely joking, didn't realize i was even close. thanks for enlightening me with this knowledge

[Anonymous No.20225792]

>>20225477
tried this once. absolutely boring and unremarkable especially when you consider that it's over 40% which is when whisky usually gets interesting.
i would never buy suntory toki again.
the only two lower priced one's i'd buy again would be talisker 10 years and bulleit 10 years after having tried about 25 different ones at that price range

[Anonymous No.20225807]

>>20225477
it's all overpriced burnt oak flavored grain alcohol so get whatever
if you want to impress your friends, buy the most expensive bottle you can afford

[Anonymous No.20225810]

>>20225477
Probably the worst kind of whiskey, and this is coming from someone who usually loves Japanese alcohol

[Anonymous No.20225850]

>>20225477
why is it so bright?

did they just spin the alcohol in the barrel once and bottled it?

[Anonymous No.20225881]

>>20225582
There’s a metric shit load of bourbon not made in Kentucky retard. Bourbon has to be made in burgerland, no Kentucky. A shit load of bourbon comes out of Indiana

[Anonymous No.20225925]

>>20225477
they tried to make it as much like Scotch as possible. Their good stuff is pretty damn good. But you can find a really good actual Scotch for much cheaper. I do like it that much of it is put into a medicine bottle like something you'd find in a high school chemistry department

[Anonymous No.20225932]

japanese whiskey is pretty good BUT wildly overpriced, an issue with whiskey in general but on steroids for japanese
I would honestly try to find a sub $100 hibiki and have that be your first japanese whiskey, toki is not that great beyond as a mixer desu
if you're lucky you can get it for $80-90

[Anonymous No.20225945]

ohishi any good? i just bought a bottle of 10 year brandycasked because it was half off

[Anonymous No.20225962]

>>20225582
Holy shit, I've literally never heard anyone scream "I'm a Boomer!" as loud as this, and that's coming from a native Kentuckian. I'll bet you think it's illegal to drive with no shoes on, with the interior light on after dark, huh?

[Anonymous No.20226007]

>>20225932
Yeah, I got Hibiki Japanese Harmony for $85 a few weeks ago and I wouldn't bother touching Toki.

[Anonymous No.20226013]

>>20225477
I got some of that exact kind a few months ago. It's not bad but I prefer any American whiskey I've tried other than cheap garbage.

[Anonymous No.20226122]

>>20225487
Agree that toki is "lighter," similar in style to most irish (i.e. blended; >>20225691 stfu) but inferior. i think suntory "world" is similar price range and it is delicious. blend of nip/scotch/bourbon or something.

[Anonymous No.20226141]

>>20225932
This. No reason to buy it because it's overpriced and honestly not that interesting. I tried the big brands but maybe there's something better but with the thousands of whiskys from everywhere else, why bother?

[Anonymous No.20226148]

Toki is decent for the price at ~$30. Don't bother if you see it going for $40 though. Whenever i get it the whole bottle generally goes into whiskey sodas.
But yeah, you can better bourbons etc at the same price.
>>20225925
>>20226007
My Nikka and Hibiki are both very good if you're willing to spend more money.

[Anonymous No.20226164]

>>20225477
It's just Irish whiskey with a rice tax.

[Anonymous No.20226274]

>>20225700
> toki is "lighter," similar in style to most irish (i.e. blended;
similar in style to most scotch i.e blended

[Anonymous No.20226466]

>>20225477
it's good and an absolutely terrible value

[Anonymous No.20226476]

>>20225582
that's not true. only bourbon made in kentucky can be called 'kentucky bourbon'. Bourbon can generally be from anywhere in the U.S. Both Canada and, the E.U., i think, both require that it be made in the U.S. to be sold as bourbon. some whiskeys are denoted by geography whereas others are by the nature of the product--the mash bill, process, etc. it's all rather confusing.

[Anonymous No.20226483]

>>20225477
>>20225656
>>20225925
Nikka From The Barrell is lush

[Anonymous No.20226520]

>>20225477
Do you guys actually distinguish between whiskeys and bourbon? Seems like it's just a competition to see which one is the least disgusting.

[Anonymous No.20226531]

>>20226148
>Toki is decent for the price at ~$30.
what about at 34usd

[Anonymous No.20226535]

>>20226520
>distinguish between whiskeys and bourbon
Bourbons are a type of whiskey, just like Scotch or Rye.
>Seems like it's just a competition to see which one is the least disgusting
That's vodka. Whiskeys have some flavor, but the real problem is that whiskeyfags are the most obnoxious alcoholics in the US.

[Anonymous No.20226577]

>>20225487
>Overrated
this. They'd like to compete in the world of whisky, but ehh, surely not worth the import taxes and their newb status. Asians are perfectionists, and they are winning some acclaim, but here's what I have to say:

When I took the tour at the (Jameson) Midleton original distillery, with friends while driving around Ireland (oh, good 15 years ago), I was the one person in my party willing to undergo the full taste testing at 10 in the morning (after drinking all night every night).
You always want a bit of water when doing a taste test.

So, I compared a total of at least 30 world bourbons, scotches and whiskys of various ages and blends. They decanted the american, canadian, and some of their nice old stuff too. I learned that ireland solved the smoky mossy/peaty flavor taint with their toasted groats placed above the floor of a roman bath (bricks heated from underneath, ie no smoke and no peat flavor tainting it). Then, they do triple distill, in copper no less, but then the aging is within previously used sherry casks, which had held sherry long enough for the spirts to access the sweet caramelly partial char under the first layer of charred wood (part of barrel making), and it has a touch of sherry nuace which adds complexity and that age too. Jameson and their other brands ARE special, and once you've had corn, rye, and dear god rice of all things, and other world products on your palate, you'll appreciate it. Blends are just fine. Sure it's cool that single malt eventually made a nice product, oh wow the rarity, but it's not about flavor to restrict a whisky to the term to make it great. Age matters, how it was made, from what, and how it was stored and blended. If you want smoke, you might find mezcal your thing (I don't).

Try it, train your palate, and then invest in a nicer bottle from rankings.

[Anonymous No.20226609]

>>20226531
Acceptable, wouldn't want to pay too much more though.

[Anonymous No.20226614]

>>20225487
I had this for the first time recently and thought it tasted like an actually palatable Scotch whisky. not amazing but not pukeworthy like say a bottle of J&B which literally tastes like puke in a bottle to me. And yes I have tasted more expensive Scotches they all taste like shit to me. So I would say go for a Suntory it tastes like a milder more well rounded Scotch. Anyone know what the Japanese equivalent to a Jack Daniels would be?

[Anonymous No.20226629]

>>20226520
They are completely different drinks with the same name for some reason.

[Anonymous No.20226764]

>>20226609
thanks for your input. anything similar to it but better, or even just other recs around that price?

[Anonymous No.20226778]

>>20226764
For japanese? Not really. Due to the latest trends and change in the Japanese whisky export rules, anything decent is generally $70+.

[Anonymous No.20226796]

>>20226778
nono, anything at all similar in taste since taste does sound interesting to me (but less weak since apparently that's the problem with it?), or just anything at all that's much better for the price

[Anonymous No.20226801]

>>20226796
Why would something from radioactive sneak attack japs seem more tasty than something from folk that invented bourbon in the first place?

[Anonymous No.20226809]

>>20226796
My go-to for okay-tasting cheap whisky is 1792 small batch bourbon

You're not gonna get decent Irish whisky or scotch in the US without going up to $50+.

[Anonymous No.20226828]

>all jap whiskeys got price bumped because of hibiki
the 3 posted here aren't that good

[Anonymous No.20226831]

Take a bottle of Evan Williams White label into a Japanese bar. Take a bottle of Suntory into an American bar.

[Anonymous No.20226835]

>>20225477
toki fucking sucks, start with hibiki if you're going suntory

[Anonymous No.20226844]

>>20226828
Has nothing to do with hibiki specifically

Japan's whisky industry had a pretty big downturn from the late 1980s until the mid 2000s, and only from ~2008 onwards did their whisky production start to increase, and popularity of Japanese whisky ALSO happened to pick up at the time, so we're basically hitting a point in time where a lot of people are now looking for Japanese whisky and there simply isn't a massive amount of the stuff available, unless it's the younger stuff, and even that is sought after at this point simply because it's from japan.

[Anonymous No.20227324]

>>20225477
Good for highball that's what it was made for

[Anonymous No.20227615]

>>20225656
>Nah, that's Nikka Whisky from the barrel
not as good as pic related

[Anonymous No.20227634]

>>20225477
Japanese whiskey doesnt have to label whether its sourced, so a lot of japanese whiskey just buys scotch and re-labels it.

[Anonymous No.20227639]

>>20227615
Why yes, that is the joke that was previously referenced, good job.

[Anonymous No.20228681]

>>20225477
It's just scotch whisky made in Japan. Some of it is pretty good though.

[Anonymous No.20228704]

>>20227615
Brewed and bottled in Niggasaki

[Anonymous No.20228711]

>>20225477
literal weeaboo bait, you're probably smarter than to fall fo rthat

[Anonymous No.20228742]

>>20225591
I love how this shit is so expensive and has such a sexy label slapped on it in the west but in Japan it's cheap as shit with the funny jack dude on it.

[Anonymous No.20228752]

>>20226577
Half of what they sell isn't even made it Japan, it's all from the UK then bottled in Japan and gets the kanji tax put on it when sold outside the domestic market of glorious Nipland.

[Anonymous No.20228775]

Oldfag former liquor store manager here. When Japanese whiskey started coming into the market, we couldn't sell it. The hardcore bourbon guys didn't like it, the hardcore scotch guys wouldn't touch it. The "weeb bait" thing sounds funny but there is a lot of truth to it. For every $100 bottle of Japanese whiskey, I can show you a $40 bottle of scotch that will be just as good if not better.

[Anonymous No.20228922]

>>20225591
I'm finishing my bottle now. It is extremely spiced with coriander and orange peel. Probably best on the rocks after sitting for 30 seconds or so, especially if you're trying it out for the first time. There are other options that are much less pungent and have a more complex flavor palate. I still like this though for sipping. Looking for my next one which seems to be an issue of supply more or less though.

[Anonymous No.20229037]

>>20228752
Not true anymore

> By 2024, products labeled as "Japanese whisky" will conform to new regulations. Japanese whisky must be fermented, distilled, aged and bottled in Japan, use some portion of malted grain in its mash, and use water sourced from Japan

> • Distillers must always use malted grains but may also include other cereal grains.

> • Water used to make whisky must be extracted in Japan.

> • Saccharification (conversion of starches into sugars, or mashing), fermentation and distillation must take place at a Japanese distillery.

> • Whisky must be matured in wooden casks stored in Japan for at least three years.

> • Bottling must take place only in Japan, with a minimum strength of 40% abv.

> • Plain caramel coloring may be used.

> • Whiskies that don’t meet the above requirements may not use the names of geographical locations in Japan, the Japanese flag, or the names of people that evoke the country in their labeling.

[Anonymous No.20229038]

>>20228742
Post pic, I need to see that

[Anonymous No.20229128]

>>20225962
Total Zoomer Death

[Anonymous No.20229291]

>>20225477
Toki is cheap whiskey for mixed drinks, its not a sipping whiskey. See if you can find a bottle of hibiki 12 somewhere, not the new bullshit no age statement version.

[Anonymous No.20229313]

>>20229037
Whelp Japanese whiskey is about to quadruple in price

[Anonymous No.20229334]

>>20229038
Just for you bro, some black nigga whisky. Shit was so cheap I wish I maxed out my customs declaration with Jap whisky.

[Anonymous No.20229344]

>>20229313
It probably wont change too much for anything you were likely to be paying good money for, only the cheap "Japanese" whisky will get reclassified as a "world whisky" or similar.

[Anonymous No.20229408]

>>20229334
cool pic, reminds me of poker cards

[Anonymous No.20229416]

>>20225477
Only Irish Whiskey or sometimes Scotch is worth a shit. Anything else is swill.

[Anonymous No.20229596]

A bit medicinal, but nice heat and not too overpowering.

[Anonymous No.20229705]

>>20229291
I once had a glass of 12 year old Hibiki and it was just fine. Not bad, but nothing amazing either

[Anonymous No.20230719]

>>20226801
litearlly this. americans dont realize what they are sitting on (t. canadian) your bourbon is simply some of the best and the most varied oak aged spirit in the entire world. not some of, it defines it. scotch and all that shit plays second fiddle and is boomer meme shit.
t. been to japan for extended periods a few times. their shochu is their real treasure as a simple and direct exemplification of the starch source. their whisky is an overpriced meme.