Chicagoans are a complete joke when it comes to pizza, and not for the reason Chicagoans think.

[Anonymous No.20004253]

>have the one completely unique culinary invention regarding pizza, Chicago deep dish
>it's delicious, like eating a real pizza pie
>Chicago deep dish is lauded as great for decades and decades
>in the early 2000's New York liberals like Jon Stewart who spent like 10 minutes inside of Chicago's city limits make fun of it for not being like New York pizza
>instead of still upholding their creation like Detroiters do with Detroit deep dish, become embarrassed of it like total homos and kowtow to the media
>start claiming "tavern pizza" which was NOT invented in Chicago, exists in pretty much almost all other states as "thin crust" is "Chicago pizza' and they don't really like deep dish
>only unique attribute of "Chicago pizza" versus thin crust in most other states is it's cut into squares or rectangles, and even other states do that
>left wing celebs fall out of favor, and now people like Dave Portnoy come into prominance and and meme on you for downplaying deep dish which great and unique and calls you all stupid for saying your mediocre thin crust is great pizza when it can't compete against other thin crusts
Overall, Chicagoans are retards always stepping on rakes, rinse and repeat.

[Anonymous No.20004311]

tl;dr

[Anonymous No.20004324]

>>20004311
some tired faggot rant, not worth reading

[Anonymous No.20004349]

everything is just bread cheese and sauce anyway

[Anonymous No.20004360]

>>20004349
spoken like a true pleb retard

[Anonymous No.20004402]

My Chicagoan family were calling tavern style "Chicago style" in the 1980s.

[Anonymous No.20004547]

>>20004253
What are you blathering about? We still love deep dish. The people who pretend otherwise on /ck/ are NYC losers LARPing.

[Anonymous No.20004560]

>>20004253
Lasagna > Detroit style > Chicago style > New York style (not really even food)

[Anonymous No.20004571]

>>20004253

nycfag here. i like it but it's not pizza it's a cheese tomato cassarole.

[Anonymous No.20004583]

>>20004571
Agree, it's not bad when made well like any other pizza. But it's not really pizza. If it's > 1/2" and if sauce is on top, then it's not pizza.

[Anonymous No.20004794]

>>20004402
>My Chicagoan family were calling tavern style "Chicago style" in the 1980s.
it's bullshit, no they were not, I'm from there, this idea didn't come into fruition until New York jews made fun of deep dish, Chicagoans are retards, they also think they invented smash burgers, when they just stole them from Indiana, tavern style pizza was probably invented in Wisconsin

[Anonymous No.20004798]

>>20004583
New Yorkers are so arrogant they'd probably claim Italian pizza isn't pizza either, so your opinion doesn't count

[Anonymous No.20004800]

Why do americans

[Anonymous No.20004829]

>>20004798
>thinks the light socket is his fleshlight

[Anonymous No.20004855]

>>20004794
>no they were not
They were.

[Anonymous No.20004882]

It's not a cassarole, it's a deep dish pizza and it's good, cope.

[Anonymous No.20004913]

>>20004253
I'm going to Chicago soon, any places I should eat at for good deep dish? Gonna be on the east side doing all the tourist stuff.

[Anonymous No.20004981]

>>20004253
Stay mad.

[Anonymous No.20004987]

>>20004855
Horse shit. Like Aurellio's was brought up in this thread, Aurellio's at no point ever referred to their thin crust as "Chicago pizza" like a Chicago dog. This was something invented due to exactly what OP talks about. Here's there menu for their South Loop location, it says thin crust, you lying nigger. Considering the fact they were doing the pizza since the 50's, they would know what it's called:

[Anonymous No.20004991]

>>20004913
>I'm going to Chicago soon, any places I should eat at for good deep dish? Gonna be on the east side doing all the tourist stuff.
Uno's or Lou Malnati's. Also get the stuffed pizza from Giordano's.

[Anonymous No.20004994]

>>20004991
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.20004995]

>>20004987
My family moved from Chicago to California in the 1980s. When I was a kid in the 80's they taught me about "Chicago style" pizza: thin, very crispy crust, toppings (usually sausage rather than pepperoni) under the cheese, cut into squares. Tavern-style.
They specifically referred to it as Chicago style to differentiate it from the comparatively soggy pizza we found in California.

[Anonymous No.20005005]

Tavern-style pizza was invented in Chicago anyways so it is Chicago-style pizza.

[Anonymous No.20005011]

>>20004995
>my family of Californians called it soemthing inside my house, so that's it's name
it's called tavern style, you fucking idiot, you just repeated the real name, it exists through the midwest, find any example of it being "Chicago pizza" in an media before the year 2000, you can't, because it wasn't called that, in fact, it probably wasn't even called tavern style originally either, because it was just thin crust, the way it is cut is called a "party cut" so it can feed a larger crowd

[Anonymous No.20005015]

>>20005011
>find any example of it being "Chicago pizza" in an media before the year 2000, you can't
Now you're moving the goalposts.
First it was "you're lying your family never called it that."
>you fucking idiot
Moving the goalposts AND mad.

[Anonymous No.20005024]

>>20005005
>Tavern-style pizza was invented in Chicago anyways so it is Chicago-style pizza.
PROVE it, because cracker thin crust pizza cut into squares was also a staple of Milwaukee since the 40's or earlier. Pizza in Indiana and plenty of other states is also served the same way.

[Anonymous No.20005025]

>>20005015
>Now you're moving the goalposts.
>First it was "you're lying your family never called it that."
anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy, you dope, it was never an argument about what your family called it

[Anonymous No.20005028]

>>20005024
>literally first two results on Google for "where was tavern style pizza invented" say Chicago
hurr
durr

[Anonymous No.20005029]

>>20005025
>it was never an argument about what your family called it
>>20004794
>no they were not
>>20004987
>you lying [jogger]

[Anonymous No.20005032]

>>20005028
>third through seventh results also say Chicago

[Anonymous No.20005035]

>>20005028
Are you... trying to prove him right?

[Anonymous No.20005036]

>>20005032
>eighth through tenth results also say Chicago

[Anonymous No.20005040]

>>20005024
>>20005028
>>20005032
>>20005036
i havent seen a beatdown like this since tyre nichols

[Anonymous No.20005041]

>>20005024
>>20005028
>>20005032
>>20005036
Oh damn son he got BTFO.

[Anonymous No.20005043]

>>20005036
>first result says "the Midwest and East Coast"
Are you mentally handicapped?

>>20005032
>link also says "midwest taverns"

Prove it didn't come from Milwaukee, because the Milwaukee pizza is identical to the tavern style. I want facts here, not just "I Googled it!"

[Anonymous No.20005046]

>>20005041
stop samefagging, Google fag

[Anonymous No.20005048]

>>20005043
>Are you mentally handicapped?
Did you read the link? No, you didn't.

[Anonymous No.20005051]

>>20005043
>>first result says "the Midwest and East Coast"
You know Chicago is in the midwest right?

[Anonymous No.20005054]

>>20005048
you posted an image that says the complete opposite of what you suggest, you idiot, the only defining trait of "tavern pizza" is it's thin crust and cut into squares or strips, you have to prove that was invented in Chicago and didn't exist anywhere else

[Anonymous No.20005055]

>>20005051
>You know Chicago is in the midwest right?
"tavern style" is served across the entire midwest, if it was just a Chicago thing, that would be specified

[Anonymous No.20005056]

caring about pizza is hot sauce tier

[Anonymous No.20005058]

https://www.chicagomag.com/dining-drinking/june-2020/tavern-style-pizza-history/
>Even more than deep dish, tavern-style pizza is a uniquely Chicago delicacy with a uniquely Chicago story.
>pizza wasn't popular among Chicago's masses until the early 1940s, after the end of Prohibition. As a result, pizza was served mostly in taverns, often as an enticement to drink alcohol. Possibly because taverns usually didn’t have silverware or plates, the owners sliced the pizza into little squares, which could be set on napkins.
>Chicago tavern owners were also less beholden to Old World traditions than New Yorkers, many of whom hailed from the Campania region of Italy, where pizza originated. The New Yorkers hand tossed their dough, just like their forebears. Chicagoans rolled theirs, eventually leading to the use of mechanical sheeters. The machines were faster and more economical than rolling pins, and also produced a thinner crust than a hand-tossed pizza.
>The same methods are still used to produce Chicago tavern-style pizzas.

[Anonymous No.20005059]

>>20004798
Italian pizza has way less cheese and fresh ingredients.

I'm not arrogant, I'm just not that stupid.

[Anonymous No.20005063]

https://www.bonappetit.com/story/real-chicago-pizza-tavern-style
>Instead, I took it as a small win for the Chicagoland area’s underappreciated contribution to the American pizza map: A circular pie with really thin crust, all cut into tiny squares. Some call it “party cut,” others say it’s “tavern style,” but to locals, it’s just “pizza.”
>“It’s an original Chicago creation"

[Anonymous No.20005064]

https://midwesterner.org/how-john-carruthers-makes-tavern-style-pizza/
>Tavern-style pizza is unpretentious. The square-cut pie is the pickled egg of pizza styles, invented as a bar snack in post-WWII Chicago.

[Anonymous No.20005065]

>>20004800
Again with the unsolicited comments from someone outside the country

[Anonymous No.20005066]

>>20005055
>"tavern style" is served across the entire midwest
Nobody said that it isn't served outside Chicago. Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.20005068]

https://chicago.eater.com/2020/10/14/21492493/chicagos-tavern-style-pizza-pats-lakeview-photos-images
>If out-of-town critics did target Chicago’s thin crusts, don’t expect a press release. Tavern style’s origins are traced to the quieter South Side, even though plenty of pizza makers settled on the city’s Northwest Side.

[Anonymous No.20005070]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2023/08/31/chicago-deep-dish-pizza-tavern-style/
>Other locals, such as Steve Dolinsky, author of two books about Chicago pizza, say that Chicago pizza is all the styles that were created here, so deep dish (and pan, which he considers a subcategory of deep dish), stuffed and tavern style.

[Anonymous No.20005072]

>>20005059
So what?

[Anonymous No.20005077]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/dining/tavern-thin-crust-pizza-chicago.html
>With its roots in the 1940s at working-class taverns like Vito & Nick’s on the South Side of Chicago

[Anonymous No.20005081]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/12/20/255601925/deep-dish-or-thin-crust-even-chicagoans-cant-agree
>tavern-style pizza, the type cut into squares, was developed on the South Side of Chicago to keep working men in taverns.

[Anonymous No.20005084]

https://www.salon.com/2022/09/27/a-love-letter-to-chicagos-tavern-pizza-interrupted/
>tavern-style pizza indeed originated in [Chicago's] neighborhood bars as a hot and savory nosh for hungry blue-collar workers coming off long shifts

[Anonymous No.20005086]

>>20005077
>>With its roots in the 1940s at working-class taverns like Vito & Nick’s on the South Side of Chicago
It was in the Milwaukee since the 40's. Try harder. This is as dumb as claiming the coney dog was invented in Detroit.

[Anonymous No.20005088]

>it wasn't invented in Chicago despite eight mainstream media links saying otherwise because I said so
You lost the argument.

[Anonymous No.20005090]

>>20005086
Are you retarded? Existing somewhere else within the same decade doesn't mean it was invented there. You are so incredibly desperate to ignore reality.

[Anonymous No.20005091]

>>20005088
>>it wasn't invented in Chicago despite eight mainstream media links saying otherwise because I said so
>You lost the argument.
yeah becaus the mainstream media isn't ran by hacks who just copy paste stuff from Wikipeida, give me dates for the earlier Chicago thin crust versus other claims for thing crust

[Anonymous No.20005093]

>>20005091
They literally interviewed historians.
MSM are absolutely hacks when politics are involved but this has nothing to do with politics so here they're doing actual journalism by interviewing historians.

[Anonymous No.20005094]

>>20005090
>Are you retarded? Existing somewhere else within the same decade doesn't mean it was invented there. You are so incredibly desperate to ignore reality.
evidence of at least parallel construction completely disproves your premise

[Anonymous No.20005095]

>>20005093
>They literally interviewed historians.
you didn't cite shit, further more that's a logical fallacy, you didn't provide any evidence, food history is extremely elusive, how many claims are there for the first burger?

[Anonymous No.20005099]

>>20005095
>learning history from historians is a logical fallacy
>the only TRUE source of history is my imagination

[Anonymous No.20005100]

>>20005095
Just stop. You lost the argument.
At this point if I posted a photograph of the first tavern style pizza with a piece of paper next to it with the date and "Chicago, IL" on it, you'd just say it was shooped.
You're embarrassing yourself now.

[Anonymous No.20005105]

>>20005099
just saying "a historian said this" is not a fact, provide me with a fact

[Anonymous No.20005106]

>>20005105
You're now essentially arguing that nothing that happened before photographic evidence existed is a fact.

[Anonymous No.20005107]

>>20005100
>retard just spams google screenshots 50 times and thinks it's an argument
are you autistic? All I want is some facts here, you didn't even provide dates.

[Anonymous No.20005114]

>according to historians, Nero was tyrannical, self-indulgent and debauched
>THAT'S NOT A FACT THAT'S JUST WHAT HISTORIANS SAY

[Anonymous No.20005118]

>according to historians, Hammurabi famously issued a legal code featuring an "eye for an eye" philosophy
>THAT'S NOT A FACT THAT'S JUST WHAT HISTORIANS SAY

[Anonymous No.20005122]

>>20005114
>You're now essentially arguing that nothing that happened before photographic evidence existed is a fact.
St. Louis pizza is also the same exact same thin pizza cut into squares. Guess when it was introduced? The 40's. Prove which came first.

[Anonymous No.20005123]

>>20005122
Show me eight mainstream media articles saying tavern style pizza was invented in St Louis.

[Anonymous No.20005124]

Chicagoans seethe at this. Euros please comment freely. NYC pizza is thin, very thin. And should be eaten hot. It's fine to reheat. But it should curl nicely in the palm and cheese be dripping off, even w/o extra cheese. No fucking toppings needed. The flouridated water makes it unique also. That's just how it is. Sorry no lead in the water like chicago.

[Anonymous No.20005131]

>>20005123
>Show me eight mainstream media articles saying tavern style pizza was invented in St Louis.
You're a copmlete midwit who can't argue with facts. So far I've shown you that the same exact tarvern style existed in Wisconsin and Missouri. It's not a Chicago only phenomena. It was probably started by Italian immigrants following patterns for starting businesses, which means tracking down an origin is probably impossible like it would be for the coney, the cheese burger or anything else along those lines. I bet if I tried, I could find evidence of the party cut existing outside the midwest as well.

[Anonymous No.20005151]

>tfw italian reading this thread

lmao its like watching bums fighting over which of them gets to claim a discarded half smoked cigarette from the dumpster

[Anonymous No.20005155]

>>20004253
>Chicagoans are a complete joke
You could have stopped there. Chicongo was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.20005161]

One thing we can all agree on is that this makes New Yorkers seethe and that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.20005169]

>>20005161

[Anonymous No.20005221]

>>20005161
It makes everyone seethe, because it's an abomination

[Anonymous No.20005224]

>>20005151
Italian pizza is unironically some of the worst pizza. You guys are smug because smearing shit on flatbread is traced back to you a lot, but other countries took Italy's concept of pizza and improved it tenfold, while Italy just sticks to the same mediocre formula for the sake of "authenticity"

[Anonymous No.20005504]

>>20005131
You're one of the most delusional retards I've ever seen on /ck/. The guy you're replying to posted more than five sources, including several books, that go over the documented history of tavern style pizza and you're still denying it. You fully and completely lost your argument and never once came close to posting any facts whatsoever to support your claim while the other guy completely and utterly proved that tavern style was invented in Chicago. I don't know if I've ever seen someone so thoroughly blown the fuck out in an online argument before.

[Anonymous No.20005518]

I'm from chicago, tavern and detroit style is better than pizza casserole, fucking fight me
BRB someone is shooting into my neighbors windows uh oh

[Anonymous No.20005708]

>another thread filled with dirty disgusting coasties crying about Chicago pizza

Don't you guys have any new material? News flash: we don't give a single dogshit about what you smelly shitstains think of us. Nobody cares about what you guys have to say. These threads are pointless; you're yelling at the clouds at this point. Also, people in Chicago have long since stopped caring about pizzas. Beef sandwiches are where it's at in 2024, everyone knows this.

>>20004913
>Gonna be on the east side doing all the tourist stuff.

So either your hotel is in the middle of Lake Michigan, or you mean 'East Side, Chicago', a small, working class, depopulated neighborhood on Chicago's southern corner, filled with absolutely nothing but crime and nogs; somewhere the vast majority of Chicagoans have never even heard of, let alone been to. Either way, this looks like it'll be a vacation to remember for you.

[Anonymous No.20006119]

>>20005131
>copmlete
>tarvern
>Chicago only phenomena

>midwit

[Anonymous No.20006127]

>>20005161
>>20005221
it's basically a tarte flambee with a pizza topping

[Anonymous No.20007128]

>>20004253
Have you been watching the Youtuber from chicago who often makes a bunch of pizzas? (dont remember his name, like Omnivorous ___). The dude advertised a lot of chicago places and tries a bunch of types of pizzas.

[Anonymous No.20007208]

>>20005708
He's clearly talking about downtown, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.20007361]

>>20005504
>You're one of the most delusional retards I've ever seen on /ck/. The guy you're replying to posted more than five sources, including several books, that go over the documented history of tavern style pizza and you're still denying it. You fully and completely lost your argument and never once came close to posting any facts whatsoever to support your claim while the other guy completely and utterly proved that tavern style was invented in Chicago. I don't know if I've ever seen someone so thoroughly blown the fuck out in an online argument before.
Appeals to authority is not a fact based argument, you midwit. If it was so clear, why couldn't he repeat things like dates and how the style of cook transitioned to other places. I know this place is full of autists, but holy shit. Do you realize who many claims there are for inventing kinds of food that are in dispute? Just posting a link does not mean anything, make a fact based argument already that proves it moved from Chicago to the rest of the midwsest of fuck off.

[Anonymous No.20007365]

>>20007361
*or fuck off

[Anonymous No.20007401]

>>20005058
>pizza wasn't popular among Chicago's masses until the early 1940s, after the end of Prohibition. As a result, pizza was served mostly in taverns
non sequiter

[Anonymous No.20007404]

>writes a novel where he admits giving a shit about John Stewart and Dave Portnoy
kek what a fucking loser. Chicago chads win again

[Anonymous No.20007437]

>>20007401
most food history is fake, every single successful restaurant that survived to mdoern day will of course claim they invented something, it's almost universally bullshit

>>20007404
Chicagoans are the ones who gave a shit, retard, work on you reading comprehension, no one is Chicago is a chad, if you were you would have moved like everyone sane

[Anonymous No.20007453]

>>20007361
awful thread and piss poor defense OP

[Anonymous No.20007460]

>>20007453
I literally asked for dates for when it was invented like 12 times, no one chimed in with anything, it's literally thin crust cut into squares, it wasn't the wheel

[Anonymous No.20007480]

>>20004571
The NY side of the NY vs Chicago argument has always confused me because NYers always say "it's more like lasagna, it's like a casserole, it's not even pizza" which seems to imply that lasagna or casserole are bad
t. West coast fag

[Anonymous No.20007487]

>>20005151
Ironically italian pizza is basically what you'd find in american dumpster behind a pizza joint, dry dough with some oily dogshit and leaves smeared on it

[Anonymous No.20007496]

>>20007480
New Yorkers have superiority complexes, they need to think they were center of the universe to excuse their shitty existences, if they realized how much better everyone lived, they would probably melt down over the cognitive dissonance, not that Chicago isn't a worse shithole

[Anonymous No.20007515]

I'm from Chicago and I get what op's saying. There's always some insecure chicagoans on here not in real life whose face turns beet red when you tell them deep dish sucks so they have to defend themselves by grumbling about how they never touch deep dish unless family is visiting from out of town or how it's only for tourists. I love the stuff and am proud of it.

[Anonymous No.20007547]

>>20007515
It's weird because I've heard that before, people saying like "dude Chicagoans never shut the fuck up about their pizza, it's like their whole identity and they get so mad about it" but I'm 33 and my entire life probably 99% of the pizza kvetching I've heard over the years comes from NYers and people on their side, I've literally never met someone from Chicago who talks incessantly about how much better their pizza is than everyone else's but I've met a lot of NYers who do at every opportunity

[Anonymous No.20007549]

>>20007480
there's nothing wrong with tomato soup either but you don't want sauce like that

[Anonymous No.20007553]

>>20007460
which means it was obscure in actual origin, and concretely planted in terms of marketing origin. which is half of the restaurant business. if any other town had a stronger claim they sure didn't show up for it

[Anonymous No.20007558]

>>20007460
Dish "invention" origin is extremely hard to pinpoint most of the time because it wasn't ever very well documented until like 60 years ago, we still don't know who invented macaroni and cheese but it might have actually been the british

[Anonymous No.20007584]

>>20007553
>which means it was obscure in actual origin, and concretely planted in terms of marketing origin. which is half of the restaurant business. if any other town had a stronger claim they sure didn't show up for it
St. Louis and several other cities claim to have invented it. The media only cares about Chicago and the Chicago vs. New York rivalry. It's the same thing with the Big Mac. No one cares it came from Bob's Big Boy or the fact that other burger joints were probably already making club sandwich style burgers even before that.

[Anonymous No.20007590]

>>20007558
>Dish "invention" origin is extremely hard to pinpoint most of the time because it wasn't ever very well documented until like 60 years ago, we still don't know who invented macaroni and cheese but it might have actually been the british
It's not just that. Businesses have an incentive to claim the invented something, because it drives business to them. Thus Loui's Lunch inventing the hamburger despite the fact that it's total fiction.

[Anonymous No.20007592]

>>20004253
Do you eat those super thick Chicago pizzas with a knife and fork?

[Anonymous No.20007603]

New York style pizza is nothing more than a large grease tortilla. Deep Dish Pizza is great. NY style pizza is lower quality than Domino's or Papa John's.

[Anonymous No.20007607]

>>20007592
Yeah deep dish is supposed to be eaten with a Knife and Fork.

[Anonymous No.20007614]

>>20007547
I'm from Chicago and you are more likely to hear a Chicagoan talk about Chicago Style hotdogs or Italian Beef sandwiches.

[Anonymous No.20007724]

>>20007603
No, the dough is made with water that has as much chlorine in it as legally possible. That gives it it's NY taste.
And the 20% less nigger around you.

[Anonymous No.20007915]

ITT: OP makes a dumb post, gets absolutely fucking rekt, then embarrasses himself by pretending like he knows more about the subject than multiple MSM-quoted historians.

[Anonymous No.20008258]

>>20007480
They aren't saying the food is bad they're saying the people are stupid.

[Anonymous No.20008337]

Dear Americans: pizzas are not 'pies'

[Anonymous No.20008355]

>>20004253

[Anonymous No.20008534]

>>20007361
How the fuck is anyone supposed to prove it to you if you don't trust articles and books? Here's a New York Times article (below) written by extremely well respected chef J. Kenji Lòpez-Alt explaining the research he did to create his own recipe for tavern style and the pizzas origins on the south side of Chicago. If this isn't enough proof for you then you're just a complete retard.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/dining/tavern-thin-crust-pizza-chicago.html

[Anonymous No.20008539]

>>20008534
>How the fuck is anyone supposed to prove it to you if you don't trust articles and books?
Why are you replying to that retard?

[Anonymous No.20008541]

>>20008337
dear Europeans: nobody cares what you think because you're a bunch of irrelevant fags

[Anonymous No.20008556]

Huh I didn't know tavern styled was chicagoan in origin, that's kind of cool. Still prefer deep dish though and also Italian beefs.

[Anonymous No.20008575]

>>20004253
i have 3 generations of Chicago relatives, and when I visit them, they will order Lou's or take me out for deep dish. Always someone will order salads all around, and we'll eat 1 slice of deep dish sausage before we're stuffed to the gills. When I am not there, thinner pizza allows you to have a slice that has 1-2 flavors from one of the pizzas on the table, and a different slice with different toppings as you 2nd or 3rd piece. No one is a fatass or overeater, it is literally just that exact difference, a mood. To state one is better, or one is the only thing you ever want when you live in a region is utter stupidity. If I lived again in New Haven, you bet your ass I'd be taking turns between nearly all of the choices, with my favorites at each place. I could totally see myself stopping from going to Frank Pepes or Sally's due to parking issues, or if the service took a dive further at Frank Pepe's (that one old skinny waiter sure is brusque to the point of rudeness, ya know). But, why would where you live determine ordering the same damn thing all of the time. It doesn't. Just like New Yorkers don't eat slices of mediocre pizza at tourist traps while walking by, nearly anyone with a brain doesn't eat to prevent stomach pains but plans to spend their calories where they choose the better food.

[Anonymous No.20008576]

OP got buckbroke bad
Chicago takes the W

[Anonymous No.20008626]

>>20005124

[Anonymous No.20008781]

Liberals are a blight on the world? Say it ain't so.

[Anonymous No.20008858]

>>20004913
go to their biggest Lou malnatis, the one closer the museum area, great service and great pizza

[Anonymous No.20009360]

>>20007480
No, dumbass. We're saying it's comparing apples to oranges.

[Anonymous No.20010673]

It's always fascinating how poormicans think they have ever eaten a real pizza in their lives. THEY HAVE NOT!!!!!!

Oatmeal pads coocked in an oven are not pizza dough, watermelons are not tomatoes, neither are mashed watermelons.
Plastics reaching their melting point isn't cheese and the list goes on.

Deep dish is a vegetable pie, called tarte in france, but it's not a pizza by any stretch of the imagination.
NYC "pizzas" are a wannabe artsy variant of a nice try but not an authentic pizza.

You poors lack the very ingredients in the US that a real pizza needs.

[Anonymous No.20010680]

>>20004253
I like to shit on my friends from Chicago any chance I get. I will now copy your opinion to this end, thanks OP

[Anonymous No.20010708]

>>20004253
I thought "tavern pizza" was St. Louis style pizza.

[Anonymous No.20010715]

>be New Yorker
>be super proud of giant, floppy, pizza slices
>your entire pizza tradition gets perfected by Sbarro
Imagine claiming you have the best pizza in the world, only for Dominoes to do it better. How are New Yorkers not embarrassed?

[Anonymous No.20010732]

>>20010673
You're a massive retard. I'm American and was stationed in Italy for a bit. Italian pizza legitimately sucks compared to even average American pizza. It's not even close to a competition. American pizza is way way better than Italian.

[Anonymous No.20010744]

>chicagoans have to steal from St. Louis of all places to pretend like they have real culture
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.20010750]

>>20010744
You clearly didn't read the thread. The anywhere other than Chicago invented tavern style has been so thoroughly disprovenn that you look like a literal retard.

[Anonymous No.20010755]

>>20005123
You won’t because it’s called “st. louis style pizza” there, not tavern pizza. You’re using a regional name for it and thus explains why your weak google-fu is giving you biased results.

[Anonymous No.20010761]

>>20010750
Being a retard on the internet is fun but just make sure you don’t let it carry over into real life, okay?

[Anonymous No.20010821]

>>20010755
You are retarded. St. Louis style pizza is its own separate thing from tavern-style pizza - it is distinguished by Provel cheese.

[Anonymous No.20010830]

>>20004253
i love all pizza.
got a complaint?
re-read the first line.

[Anonymous No.20011353]

>>20010732
Then, you have been to shitty places in Italy (the south?). Also, there are other countries as well where you can get an excellent pizza.

The problem is, finding a good pizza in the US is a huge problem.
They mostly overexaggerate with something, wether it is the total thickness / thinness or it's the cheese part that gets out of control or some other thing.

I tried the tarte in Chicago and it was absolutely not my thing. It was basically a tomato juice / cheese mixture contained in small round "swimmingpool" made of dough. And it more looked and tasted like a dough from a typical apple pie than that of a pizza. (wrong flour or recipe?) i don't know. But it was odd.

NYC pizza was terrible in its own way. Super thin, some were super dry and tasted almost nothing, others where soaked in oil and could not be eaten prior to a kitchen towel treatment to suck up all the excess oil. It was a mess and to be clear, if in NYC, a shitty Domino's pizza, delivered by a poo is the best you can get after trying out like 6 different places, that's a terrible stats.

California had decent dough thickness to cooking ratio, but messed it up with the toppings. some dry, some ok'ish but still tasting bland.
Never tried the flyover regions but the best i could get aside from the Domino's from NYC was in Austin Texas. That's also where i ate the best burger and fries, but that's another topic.

Seriously, you guys have to get over the "being artsy" thing. Especially in NYC, i felt that they tried to make something different just to have a detail that makes them differ from the rest, even if it's hurting the result.
And some "cheeses" seriously tasted like plastics rather than cheese. What the heck did they even use? I tried to find out and asked and i got to see an unbranded rectangular block in a blue and white foil, none of the kitchen staff could tell me what sort that actually had to represent. Very spooky.

[Anonymous No.20011364]

you'd be surprised how good mayo mixed with marinara. it's called mayonara and it's the bomb. good dip for the garlic rolls. but ask for that in chicago and they'll look at you like you're crazy

[Anonymous No.20011373]

>>20011353
>and could not be eaten prior to a kitchen towel treatment to suck up all the excess oil
Is that you Ulillillia?

[Anonymous No.20011374]

Never tried a deep dish pizza I liked.
But of a fad if you ask me.
Like when IPA became popular even though it’s historically always been shit tier ale.
Hipsters I guess.

[Anonymous No.20011457]

>>20011373
????

[Anonymous No.20011501]

>>20011457
kek newfag

[Anonymous No.20011520]

>>20011501
Not really, but i have a life outside of channel4. Which seems odd to some of you.

[Anonymous No.20011933]

>>20011520
4channel doesn’t exist anymore. It’s just 4chan now.

[Anonymous No.20012036]

I like pizza

[Anonymous No.20012090]

>>20011933
Different name, same animal. I still have a life beyond the internet. You know, socializing with friends and family, caring about my kids and wife and stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.20012093]

You know what goes really well on 'go 'za? Problem cheese
that shit is amazing

[Anonymous No.20012326]

>>20004913
Enjoy your swim. Go to Giordano's tourist.

[Anonymous No.20012338]

[Anonymous No.20012497]

>>20004253
Chicago is retarded for not expanding their pizza. You cannot get Chicago deep dish unless you live specifically in Chicago. And nobody wants to go to Chicago anymore because it's dangerous. All it takes is for someone who knows how to make NY pizza to open up shop elsewhere and become a hit pizza place.

[Anonymous No.20012575]

>>20012497
Deep dish is not pizza and NYC pizza is below average.
How is this a sustainable business model to provide below standard pizzas and a tarte that no one else but Chicongo niggers like?

[Anonymous No.20012581]

>>20012497
I can buy Giordano's frozen at Aldi. And, Pizzeria Uno is a chain that does their pizza style. It's not located nearly everywhere? I think if you want it, you'll find that a local mom n pop or sports bar locally will have a rendition on their menu if they do fresh sausage. I know if I order a Detroit or Grandma pizza at one of my locals, you wait, though. The 45min baking time might turn people away from getting it as often, possibly.

[Anonymous No.20012627]

We have this style of pizza in Croatia now but we don't call it Chicago pizza but "magareći stil" which roughly translates to donkey style pizza.

[Anonymous No.20012647]

>>20012497
There used to be a place in DC called Armand's that used to make Chicago Deep Dish style, I don't think it was as authentic as it should have been

[Anonymous No.20012671]

>>20005028
>>20005032
>>20005036
>results aggregator based on pageviews must have factual information
not even saying you're wrong but using google as your source is like sourcing claims about the dawn of creation from the bible
literally saying 'a whole bunch of retards say it's from chicago' as though that held any authority

[Anonymous No.20012708]

idc what coasties think, deep dish pizza is objectively and provably superior to NY style
also NY style is fucking rip, barely any cheese, sauce or bread. chicago deep dish is generous and hearty, plenty of nutrition

[Anonymous No.20012746]

I live in NYC. NY Style is fine but sometimes I crave goyslop like Papa Johns philly style pizza

[Anonymous No.20012775]

>>20012746
honestly Domino's Philly Steak pizza beats the hell out of Papa Johns philly pizza. basically the same thing except PJ uses RANCH sauce... based Domino's doesn't use any sauce, they melt white american cheese where the sauce goes.
I swear everyone sleeps on Domino's philly pizza, it's legit one of the best drunk food that exists

[Anonymous No.20012888]

>>20012775
>everyone sleeps on Domino's
because it's trash

[Anonymous No.20012900]

>>20012775
I forgot which chain made a bacon cheeseburger pizza but that was the best one i ever had

[Anonymous No.20012902]

>>20004253
Detroit style>all other styles.

[Anonymous No.20012909]

>>20012888
i'm specifically talking about the Philly Steak pizza, other dominos items are not in the same league, it's a hidden gem in fast food pizza

[Anonymous No.20013260]

>>20012708
Deep dish is a tarte and not a pizza. So it's impossible to compare them.
It's like saying a type of sallad is better than a certain type of steak. Two different meals.

>>20012902
That's called home kitchen pizza.

[Anonymous No.20013276]

>>20012900
>which chain made a bacon cheeseburger pizza
That's a really common pizza among slop shops

[Anonymous No.20013288]

chicago pizza always making u retards seethe lmao

[Anonymous No.20013308]

>>20013260
>Deep dish is a tarte and not a pizza.
First i thought you're trolling and then i googled and found pic related

Tarte with cnampignons, onion and cheese.
Found many others too.
Some even with tomato some herbs and cheese. Others with more fruity stuff like strawberries and peaches.

[Anonymous No.20013315]

one more

[Anonymous No.20013324]

IL is a dichotomy- their deep dish pies in Chicago and then their thing tavern style in the central area...love em all

[Anonymous No.20013526]

>>20013308
>>20013315
those some good looking white sauce 'go 'zas.

[Anonymous No.20013730]

>>20011353
I'm from Chicago dip shit, and you very clearly described deep dish and not tavern style which we're talking about. Also, the way you described deep dish proves you've had it frozen and have never been to Chicago.

[Anonymous No.20013847]

>>20013730
I understand that some idiots like you get emotional if they get teached up by someone knowing it better than them, but deep dish pizza does not exist, and it isn't either a chicagoan specialty but originating from France and Italy and it is called tarte.

There are a lot of variations depending on recipe and region but one thing is for sure, the tomato cheese and meat or sausage ones are mostly to be found in the north western region of italy, near the french border and they COEXIST with pizza and are mostly served in the same restaurants.

So for me, knowing it better than you, it's quiet funny how americans have endless debates over tarte being better than pizza.
You guys are basically comparing ice cream with burgers and fight over who's right.

>I'm from Chicago and i'm a dip shit
I know, and i feel with you, but that's no valid reason to go ballistic on me.

>and you very clearly described deep dish and not tavern style which we're talking about.
And i never talked about tavern style but deep dish. But since deep dish does not exist because it's a tarte, your argument is obsolete twice.
A several comments here compared deep dish with NYC pizza.

>Also, the way you described deep dish proves you've had it frozen and have never been to Chicago.
So freshly made right out of the oven in a restaurant is a frozen one? Explain yourself anon.
And no, i won't go back to Chicago. Nothing special to see there and wouldn't it have been for the job, i would have never gone there either.
Crime ridden, boring, shit weather during winter and nigger infested. And the tarte tastes better in France and Italy.

Sorry dude, you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.20013863]

>>20013308
>>20013315
See, i told you.

[Anonymous No.20014018]

>>20012497
There's like 3 Lou Malnati's I'm the suburbs of Indianapolis

[Anonymous No.20014396]

>>20014018
i eat at the one in broadripple, in b4 some chicongo person plays the water card like new yorkers

[Anonymous No.20014398]

>>20013315
This looks delicious

[Anonymous No.20015555]

>>20014398
Yes, they're superdelicious.
And they're easy to make at home. Recipes are out everywhere.

[Anonymous No.20015700]

>>20015555
Any idea when they'll be back in stock?

[Anonymous No.20016115]

>>20015700
>frozen tarte
lol
You have to make them yourself.
You can't buy them frozen.
Don't listen to chicongo nigger. He's wrong

[Anonymous No.20016128]

>>20013847
You're a complete retard making shit up. A tarte is a fucking pastry. They don't taste anything close to the same. The only thing you've proven is that you're a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.20016144]

>>20016115
Yeah I want to make one myself but he said all the recipes are out so I want to know when they'll be back in stock.

[Anonymous No.20016266]

>>20016128
That's what i said the entire time. A chicago deep dish is a tarte, not a pizza.
Thanks for proving my point.

>>20016144
The're back in stock on server 15 next week.

[Anonymous No.20016574]

>>20005124
All water in America has fluoride you idiot, it's the other shit like the tiny bacteria eating shrimp that make NYC water special.

[Anonymous No.20016962]

>>20016574
>All water in America has fluoride
fucking cia shooting fluoride into the clouds now not even my well is safe

[Anonymous No.20017395]

>>20005518
I'm from NY and deep dish is supreme and supreme deep dish is ultimate. Detroit is every one's second favorite.

[Anonymous No.20017554]

>>20004913
Don’t listen to these plebs go to pequods