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Thanksgiving menu at Plaza Hotel NYC, 1899. What will you have?

>> No.19934500

>>19934493
Nothing, because they probably didn't serve black folx.

>> No.19934502

bro I gotta have me that Boston gosling stuffed with sweet potatoes

>> No.19934504

>>19934493
Why do so many of the foods say where they’re from?

>> No.19934529

>>19934500
It was built after the civil war in the North, in all likelihood there were a handful of wealthy blacks of the era who likely would've been welcome to stay/dine there.

>> No.19934578

>>19934493
For lunch? Clear green turtle soup. I'll start with some russian caviar canapés while I wait. Where is the drink menu?

For dinner. Sweetbreads parisienne with a side of string beans. Where is the drink menu?

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>> No.19934585

>>19934504
why does it trigger you?

>> No.19934614

>>19934585
Because he has no imagination thanks to being raised by the internet; he views the past like people always lived like they do now with people being used to having an interstate system and planes to ship their food everywhere.

>> No.19934641 [DELETED] 

>>19934493
7 bananas, 1 nigger grapes and a hothouse fried chicken. Bix nooood

>> No.19934652

>>19934585
>>19934614
TIL asking a simple question = triggered

>> No.19934741

>>19934493
Consomme Sultane, Stuffed veal breast, Suckling pig with shaker apple house, mashed potatoes, finish with baked apple dumpling and frozen peach pudding.

>> No.19934743

>>19934741
>house
sauce

>> No.19934766

>>19934493
Where is this? I think I saw this before in a ship tour

>> No.19934777

>>19934585
What's with people who explode like this at completely innocuous questions? What mental pathology causes it?

>> No.19934835

>>19934504
Back before mass standardization and global shipping there were a lot more regions known for a lot more things. Knowledge didn't spread as easily so if chefs in Baltimore were doing something weird it was probably just them doing it and they'd become known for it.

>> No.19934860

I always forget turtle was a common meat up until recently and then it fell out of favor for..reasons?

>> No.19934981

>>19934860
Something something parasites? I know turtles were illegal to import as pets in the 70s.

>> No.19934985

>>19934766
Thanksgiving menu at Plaza Hotel NYC, 1899.

>> No.19934994

>>19934860
>>19934981
Salt-water turtles at risk or endangered. I think it's still legal to harvest some freshwater ones but don't quote me on that, do your own research on whether it's safe or legal to eat aquatic life. A lot of shit is loaded with toxins these days anyways.

>> No.19935009

>>19934493
A cup of chicken broth

>> No.19935027

I'd like to rail 1 bird please

>> No.19935031
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>>19934493
2023 menu.

https://www.theplazany.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Champagne-Bar-Spring-5-08.pdf

Note that 2023 prices are in dollars, 1899 prices are in cents.

>> No.19935041

>>19935031
>French fries
How far we’ve fallen

>> No.19935067

>>19935031
Anyone who's actually eaten caviar, tell me that 1 oz of fish eggs is actually worth $220?

(Yes, it's *the* top tier hotel in NYC, prices are inflated. But I'm not gonna get bespoke fish eggs for any price at my local chop house, so...)

>> No.19935070

>>19934529
the wealthiest blacks lived in the south.
Learn some history

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>>19935067

>> No.19935079

>>19935070
and how does that stop a wealthy black person in new york from eating at this hotel?

>> No.19935091

>>19935067
>tell me that 1 oz of fish eggs is actually worth $220?
No. The truth is that caviar is shit. People think that something expensive most be good. It's one of that people buy as a way of showing off their wealth.

>> No.19935107

>>19934493
>>19934583

>A la carte.
Heathens.

>Prices listed on menu.
Plebs.

>> No.19935109

>>19935067
those prices are stupid, if you want to try it buy just buy some premium stuff from a caviar company directly.

Why blow $220 at a restaurant when you can blow $80 and get roughly the same shit, or $200-300 and get MUCH better shit than what they're serving at the restaurant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTi_4458Nl4

>> No.19935117

>>19935031
Historical note on the bar's main page: "Yeah, we totally still served booze during Prohibition, lol"

>> No.19935127

>>19935079
New York is in the north

>> No.19935129

>>19935127
...and you think all of the wealthy black people, every last one of them lived outside of the city of new york...?

>> No.19935153

>>19935129
yes sir massa sir

>> No.19935158

>>19935127
>>19935129
>>19935153

I don't even know what you fuckers are arguing about anymore. Take it outside. Or to a room.

>> No.19935163

>>19935158
You don't understand cuz you're dumb

>> No.19935640
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>>19935091
I just get the stuff at IKEA. Having a savage's palate comes in handy sometimes.

>> No.19935824

>>19935153
Good boy, Toby

>> No.19936308

>>19934493
That is the most ridiculous menu I've ever seen but I guess I'll have some hothouse chicken with mince pie

>> No.19936319

>>19934493
>nov 30
Why so late?

>> No.19936359

>>19934493
>caviar $40
>veal $50
>prime rib $60
>lamb $75
I guess prices haven't inflated THAT much.

>> No.19936392

>>19936359
Those prices are in cents...

>> No.19936399

>>19936319
Used to not be regulated
>
From 1942 onwards, Thanksgiving, by an act of Congress received a permanent observation date, the fourth Thursday in November, no longer at the discretion of the president.

>> No.19936411

>>19934493
Im esl and id need a dictionary for half of this shit

>> No.19936645

Philadelphia chicken, is the chicken from there or is this a certain way it is prepared and would this have been common knowledge back then, kinda like how you would immediately know (today) what southern fried chicken would be.
>multiple breeds of ducks to choose from
>rail birds
>woodcock
>new vegetables
as opposed to old vegetables?

>> No.19936678

>>19934529
Just because the north didn't keep slaves doesn't mean they were amicable to blacks.

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>>19936645
ever heard of new potatoes?

>> No.19936848

>>19935031
What kind of french fries are worth $11?

>> No.19937974

>>19935127
its a fucking hotel, the ideal place for a wealth black from the south to stay and dine. jesus your a first class retard

>> No.19937981

>>19936709
those little fuckers are old news

>> No.19938008

>>19934493
$20 for mashed potatos? $60 for beef ribs? $40 for some grapes? I'm so grateful we're living in Joe Biden's America because he really got inflation under control!

>> No.19938386

>>19934493
>maryland style terrapin
>turkey with chestnuts
>romaine salad
>cauliflower mousseline
>mashed potatoes
>vanilla eclaire
>hazelnut ice cream
>pears a l'Imperatrice

>> No.19938400

>>19934583
>dill pickles and radishes
>pea soup
>broiled turkey
>sweet potatoes and asparagus
>gorgonzola
>vanilla ice cream
>preserved fruits

>> No.19938405

>>19934860
They didn't breed fast enough and many almost went extinct.
I guess they didn't take well to farming, either.

>> No.19938730

>>19935067
It isn’t. You can get good caviar for far less. An ounce of good caviar should be between $30-$100 depending on the fish and country of origin. American paddlefish caviar is affordable and a good place to see if you enjoy it. It used to be sold at Trader Joe’s but they stopped selling it for some reason. If there is a good, middle class wine store such as a BevMo! or Total Wine near you they’ll usually have a small selection to look at.

Shit like $220 caviar and $50 cocktails are marketed towards nouveau riche dummies or businessmen with expense accounts.

>> No.19938762

>>19938730
This. I don’t personally see the difference in quality between paddlefish roe and beluga or osetra caviar to be anywhere near justifying the difference in price

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>>19934529
>the north liked them any more than the south

>> No.19939100

>>19934493
>>19934583
I'd love to see these edited for inflation, would likely still be depressingly reasonable

>> No.19939105

>>19934741
What makes it consomme sultane? (Yes I know what consomme is)

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>> No.19939111

>>19936308
What's ridiculous about it?

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19939123

goose livers and suckling pig

>> No.19939127

>>19939108
neato, hot irish stew and iwo jima together at last. also read they wound up colliding with that cruiser

>> No.19939170

>>19934493
some shit im not getting anywhere else like green turtle soup, goose livers, Reed-birds

>> No.19939182

Nigger grapes look good

>> No.19939211

>>19938762
>This. I don’t personally see the difference in quality between paddlefish roe and beluga or osetra caviar to be anywhere near justifying the difference in price
You simply couldn't understand the difference, peasant.

>> No.19939219

>>19934493
Waffles & Mallard, m'negro.