/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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Anonymous Sat Nov 4 17:42:25 2023 No.19867648 [Reply] [Original]

Why do people ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to obesity? The happy meal is literally training kids to reward terrible food habits. No shit people are fat when they see a billboard for a heavy cream wet dream on their hour long commute to and from work. Yeah personal choices but the deck is stacked and it's ignorant to pretend it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 17:50:04 2023 No.19867667 >>19867648 suck a bag of dicks

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:12:10 2023 No.19867724 >>19867648 1. That's not what actual Italian school lunches look like. 2. No one is getting fat off of eating a single tiny pizza and a donut. CICO.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:13:22 2023 No.19867729 >>19867724 Actually Keto says otherwise

>>	Sage Sat Nov 4 18:22:02 2023 No.19867753 >>19867729 Dont care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:23:30 2023 No.19867757 >>19867753 Actually You should. And might I remind You that announcing sage is a bannable offense!

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:24:36 2023 No.19867760

>>19867648
Jamie Oliver and Michelle Obama both tried to fix this at various times in various countries. Americans want their children to eat 900 calories of fat and sugar and have access to snacks the entire time and any suggestion that it is bad for them is seen as a violation of freedoms
>But Michelle Obama's lunches were icky/not enough
A kid sitting in a desk all day doesn't need pizza, cookies, or soda. Those are supposed to be things you consume sparingly, as a treat. Eat a goddamn vegetable or starve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:28:04 2023 No.19867771 >>19867760 Are you saying Michelle Obama is a man or that Jamie Oliver is a woman?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:29:34 2023 No.19867773 >>19867771 Learn English.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:29:46 2023 No.19867776 >>19867648 comon, top one is bread and pasta, both of which are super kcal heavy

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:30:10 2023 No.19867781

>>19867760
I survived my whole childhood on home packed sandwiches. I don't know why schools even offer lunches in the US. It's obviously too much if kids are also gonna eat dinner at home that evening.
>but muh poor kids that can't afford food
They get food stamps, they can afford food

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:32:46 2023 No.19867788 >>19867760 Are you confirming that Michelle Obama has a male penis and broad toned shoulders? Yes or no

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:33:44 2023 No.19867791 >>19867648 Its just another demoralization thread sponsored by the EU. elites have been conspiring to make us like them slowly, starting with gibs and the redacting gun rights. Next step is restricting food choices.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:33:47 2023 No.19867792 >>19867788 No, she's a woman. And you're still fat because you and your hick school districts got mad at her, but ten years later you blame everything but your poor childhood habits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:34:41 2023 No.19867796 >>19867760 Yeah? Did they try banning fast food advertisement? Because you're not going to do anything otherwise >>19867791 I fuckin wish I was getting paid to make this garbage. I'm just opinionated.

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:36:02 2023 No.19867800

>>19867791
I am not paying my taxes to give a morbidly obese child ice cream and cake for lunch, only for them to grow up and burden the healthcare system more. Fuck off.
>My child needs to have diabetes and high blood pressure before they're in high school or they'll come for my guns next!
If it were up to me I would show Jack Scalfani in every school's health class to encourage proper eating

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:36:09 2023 No.19867801 >>19867792 Okay, so what color is your hair dyed

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:39:22 2023 No.19867812 >>19867792 OK fine, Michelle Obama is a man, I believe you, but Jamie Oliver's a woman? I remember watching that guy on TV 25 years ago, I don't think they could have pulled it off back then

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:42:10 2023 No.19867825

>>19867729
Keto does not say otherwise. Keto works because if you don't consume carbs, it tricks your body into thinking it's in a fasted state and it reduces your appetite. Then you end up eating less. Keto is a hack to do CICO without feeling as hungry. All of the hormonal appetite machinery in your body is based on detecting carbs because that's the only substance you eat that your body isn't made of.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:42:52 2023 No.19867827 >>19867825 Not true

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:43:06 2023 No.19867829 >>19867801 >>19867812 I will vote for any candidate that supports increasing the cost of diabetes medication for people with Type 2 diabetes specifically. A single dose of insulin for Type 2 should cost $600 at least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:46:02 2023 No.19867833 >>19867827 Yes it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:46:33 2023 No.19867834 i was a fat kid but my parents taught me the importance of fitness, now i workout daily. Though i am still a fat kid at heart

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:49:34 2023 No.19867842 >>19867825 Why does every ketofag I see use it as an excuse to eat 3000 calories of meat, butter, and cheese a day if it's supposed to fill you up?

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:52:59 2023 No.19867852

>>19867724
>1. That's not what actual Italian school lunches look like.
True. That's what 5 actual Italian school lunches look like.
>2. No one is getting fat off of eating a single tiny pizza and a donut.
False. Bad eating habits early in life set the stage for health disasters later on. Plus you're far better off eating a proper pizza or doughnut than eating processed garbage.
>>19867729
>Keto
Still irrelevant.

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 18:55:01 2023 No.19867856
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>>19867648
The elephant in the room is the U.S. has million of kids who are born to illiterate illegal immigrants, ghetto crackheads and trailer trash methheads and then those kids eat convenience store snacks all day. Then the mainstream media talks about what upper middle class yuppies are feeding their kids, or school lunches or McDonalds' when they aren't even that bad.
Meanwhile the meme image is more red herring because that's not what american or italian school lunches look like.

>>19867729
You're retarded. Just stop talking about keto. Leave the thinking to the adults.

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 19:01:36 2023 No.19867873
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>>19867842
Real keto is like Fight Club.
I've eating mostly keto for like 15 years, but if anyone IRL asks, "I usually eat eggs for breakfast and then for dinner I have meat and veggies."
Once you have your diet down there's nothing to talk about. The peopel who ramble on about keto are the ones who are struggling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 19:02:51 2023 No.19867875 >>19867856 Cool let's invest in low income communities then

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 19:02:51 2023 No.19867876 >>19867842 Those people are doing it wrong I had to do keto to fix a gut problem, your stomach shrinks and you wind up hating steak and just stop eating much at all If you can pack it in on keto you're taking more cheat days than not

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 19:04:37 2023 No.19867880 >>19867771 ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 19:54:27 2023 No.19867988 >>19867873 >>19867856 Don’t listen to this guy, I’ve lost weight eating whatever I want so long as it’s keto, because keto works

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 20:01:16 2023 No.19868004

>>19867781
>They get food stamps, they can afford food

just because they qualify for food stamps doesn't mean they actually get them, or use them properly or at all. you're relying on some low class piece of shit to take care of a child and make sure they're fed, which usually doesn't happen. if we were talking about adults i'd agree, but children aren't responsible for themselves and neglecting them like that leads to the same cycle of creating another shit adult, who has a kid that's neglected, who turns into a shit adult, ad nauseam. be compassionate you fucking faggot. goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 20:16:45 2023 No.19868032 >>19867842 They probably don't, you have no idea how much they're eating.

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 20:49:41 2023 No.19868109

>>19867724
>1. That's not what actual Italian school lunches look like.
Wrong, I grew up in Italy, the food was cooked entirely by the Nonna's of the children at my school, they had a rota so one day it would be one Nonna in charge, another day another and so on.
The person in charge would always have a speciality that they would get the rest of the volunteers to help prepare.
We ate restaurant quality food everyday, in Berlin where I live now I would have to go fine dining to experience food of that quality, and even then it would pale in comparison to the stuff the kids get in my home town everyday for free.
Comparing an Italian school kids meal to an American's is a cheap shot anyway, the groceries in Italy are of such a high standard to start with, it would be impossible to provide a meal of that quality in the US.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 20:58:38 2023 No.19868137 >>19867875 That's called gentrification and it's racist

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 21:14:03 2023 No.19868193 >>19867648 I thought it was just America that had school lunches? In leafland you either have parents willing to pack lunch for you or you starve, we didn’t even have microwaves

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 21:24:03 2023 No.19868219 >>19867875 No, let's clear them out back to their native shitholes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 21:32:34 2023 No.19868243 >>19868137 Communities not property

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 21:34:14 2023 No.19868248
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>>19867648
Like nearly everything else in America, the main problem is that people are lazy fat retards who want to remove as much decision making as possible and outsource it to companies that literally poison them. They’d rather eat some fast food slop rather than make so much as a sandwich themselves, even if the slop really isn’t all that cheaper all things considered nor as filling. They’ll talk about how they have no time to cook and clean, even though a basic baked chicken meal takes no more than a little over half hour at most and is not that hard at all to clean, especially now that we have smartphones allowing you to watch/listen to whatever the hell you could want while doing something else. And of course you can’t possibly expect these “people” to ever instill anything decent in their children, since thats too much work, so thus the cycle continues.
>inb4 muh poverty
Shut the fuck up, I grew up smack dab in the rust belt. Even when I had to walk miles up and downhill both ways to get to and from work the most unhealthy thing I had aside from the sandwiches they sold there was a canned chicken and pasta meal I used to enjoy. They’ll snack on candy and chips all day instead of something like peanuts then wonder why they feel like shit and are always hungry. I feel awful for the children subjected to such bullshit, they literally did nothing to deserve it, but if you’re an adult you have no excuse not to at least try and do something to stop that shit. Or at the very least not subject your unfortunate spawn to it if you ever have any.
>god I fucking hate the people here

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 21:39:04 2023 No.19868264 >>19867825 Seething kike literally shilling all over the internet because its furious thr goyim finally know again that eating meat is good for you

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 22:12:08 2023 No.19868373

>>19868264
I am an advocate for keto you retarded /pol/tard. I'm also antisemitic as fuck. That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't magically invalidate the laws of physics. You are so goddamn stupid stop shitting up the board and fucking use Google

Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:01:54 2023 No.19868538

>>19868109
I went to a private school and our lunches were also made by grandma's in an actual kitchen next to the lunch table area. You could even go back and ask for seconds if there were leftovers. Once I went to public school, lunch was some gross microwaved chicken patty on depressingly flat buns with hot cheetos and a carton of milk on the side

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:07:37 2023 No.19868553 >>19867648 Aint no eatin' utensils or napkins in Italy

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:13:06 2023 No.19868571 >>19868538 >I went to a private school and our lunches were also made by grandma's in an actual kitchen next to the lunch table area. American grandmas simply do not have the produce, or skill level to compete with Italian Nonna's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:19:16 2023 No.19868594 >>19868571 I disagree, Italian food is beyond simple with the preparation and ingredients. It doesn't take skill to simmer some tomatoes for a few hours. Nonna's skills are severely lacking compared to Omi's

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:40:19 2023 No.19868666 >>19868594 >Nonna's skills are severely lacking compared to Omi's I'm sorry, but you are just incredibly ignorant about world cuisine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:43:39 2023 No.19868680 Italian food is the easiest cuisine to cook. Your nona wasn't the master of some unlearnable arcane skill and she probably wasn't even that great of a cook. All Italians are very insecure about this and it shows.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 4 23:59:24 2023 No.19868727 >>19868666 Italian food is literally built on simple, easy recipes. It's arguably bland without wine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:12:36 2023 No.19868755 >>19867781 >It's obviously too much if kids are also gonna eat dinner at home that evening what sort of absolutely braindead take is "you shouldn't eat lunch if you also eat dinner"

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:18:03 2023 No.19868768 File: 1.45 MB, 2224x1190, Italian School Lunch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867648 >cherrypicking Italian school lunches are depressing in a different way.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:20:43 2023 No.19868773

>>19868727
Anon, how much time have you spent outside of the US?
I am an Italian man, with a Swedish wife, living in Berlin.
I have travelled the world through my work, and church commitments.
Clearly a simple American farm boy, dressed in track 'pants' and running shoes (despite not exercising), someone who has likely never left his state.
You don't actually have the required life experience to comment on this, on a dedicated food board.
I have experienced more this year than you will in your entire life, I am far above even arguing with you, and I have better stuff I could be doing right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:20:44 2023 No.19868774 Parents are teaching their kids to make bad food choices not a fucking happy meal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:24:13 2023 No.19868783 >>19867648 Population of Italy: 59 million. Population of America: 331 million. Food ain't free eurotards.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:28:10 2023 No.19868786

>>19868773
When I drive a car off the lot, its value increases. I mail letters without postage and it still gets there. My business card simply says "I'll call you". My beard alone has experienced more in life than a lesser man like you and I won't waste my time arguing about how good Nonna's 4 ingredient pasta or your wife's fermented fish salad is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:29:19 2023 No.19868788 >>19868773 How much time have you spent outside of Europe? There's less distance between Rome and Oslo than between New York and Houston. And it's 2023, you have the same culture we do only you talk like faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:38:36 2023 No.19868809 >>19868538 I went to a public catholic school in the UK and the food was still freshly made slop made by lunch ladies

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:40:51 2023 No.19868817 >>19868783 The most prosperous country on the face of the planet can't afford to feed its children?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:42:49 2023 No.19868821 >>19868809 Mine was a lutheran private school, that's probably why it wasn't lunch lady slop

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:46:06 2023 No.19868828 >>19868817 We have to spend our money on an army capable of defending the West so you clowns can tug each other off about your weird noodles in blissful ignorance

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:49:15 2023 No.19868838 >>19868828 >We You don't do shit faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:49:56 2023 No.19868839 >>19868828 Yeah you need an army larger than every other military combined so you can protect... Freedom?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:54:27 2023 No.19868847 >>19868839 We've got more land than your entire union.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:54:39 2023 No.19868849

>>19868786
>>19868788
Your attempts at overwhelming me by sending 2 posts at once has failed.
Every single one of your experiences is worth a fraction of one of mine.
When you eat a piece of fruit, it's a bad piece of fruit.
When you drink a glass of water, it's bad water.
When you make love to your girlfriend, it is with a man.
When your 'granny' made food it was literal dog shit.
I don't have experiences like that, my life is a privilege unobtainable to the kind of people that exist in America.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 00:55:51 2023 No.19868853 >>19867760 Michelle Obama fucked things up even worse than they already were because she's a stupid cunt

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:00:20 2023 No.19868865 >>19868847 Not European but Military bases don't count

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:02:36 2023 No.19868876

>>19867648
i dont think it's anything except the promotion of sugar like candy and soda. take soda away, i dont believe people are eating two pizzas. yes, you can still overeat carbs, but i think the contrast of sipping plain water will make you come to your senses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:03:28 2023 No.19868879 >>19868849 most humble italian in the world right here

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:04:18 2023 No.19868884 >>19868853 *he is

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:06:31 2023 No.19868892
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>>19867875
>invest
Investments earn money and give it back to you
these people can't pull their own weight and they know it. That's why they come here and are willing to work long hours and ignore terrible hazards. They do it because after that, their children for generations to come will be able to leech off of social programs. Some skip that stage altogether and get straight to the leeching. Just think for a moment and wonder why these "hardworking" "people" cant seem to make anything of their homelands

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:11:58 2023 No.19868909

>>19868849
>When you eat a piece of fruit, it's a bad piece of fruit.
The United States has some of the best farmland in the world. We are the world's top food exporter and in the top five producers. You have almost certainly eaten a piece of fruit that was grown in the US. Not sure why you're acting so high and mighty when Italian places are just seen as a fun gimmick for first dates and family meals. France has Europe's top cuisine and it's not even close.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:14:08 2023 No.19868919 Calories in and calories out. That's all you need to do along with having basic self control and not engorging yourself on an entire pizza or cake twice a week.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:24:18 2023 No.19868949
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>>19867648
America is a capitalist dystopia. Americans don't live in a country, but an R&D lab of (((corporations))), with the Americans being fatass lab rats pumped full of goyslop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:27:09 2023 No.19868954 >>19867757 Sneed on you and your turdburglar jannie lover too.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:33:28 2023 No.19868980

>>19868373
>That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't magically invalidate the laws of physics.
I really hope you aren't calling other people stupid while supporting CICO.
Are you trying to say that 100% of your food is turned into either used or stored calories?
Are you trying to imply that 100% of fuel in a combustion engine is either converted to heat or motion? That engines never run rich...or leak..
Are you really trying to imply that people who starve to death from only eating rabbit, even if they eat 3000 calories of it a day, are somehow denying "Physics", as you put it?
CICO is far too simplistic a "model" as is easily shown by skinny people who eat 4000 calories a day and stay skinny.
While it may be true that some fat fucks who eat nothing but sneed oil soaked, Corn syrup laced, heavily processed and poisoned, shelf stable foods would do well to eat healthy, clean and natural foods,(things your great-grandfather would have eaten,) just saying that "CICO, because, MUH ScIeNcE!!" Is not only a gross misunderstanding of the problem of complex biochemical processes, but also denies the sad and toxic state of our modern Food, Farm and Pharma Fuxation for profit.
I WANT to believe you can be smarter than that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:36:54 2023 No.19868989 >>19867875 Spending per student does not correlate with educational outcomes at all I wonder how much else this applies to

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:41:09 2023 No.19869002

>>19868980
>I really hope you aren't calling other people stupid while supporting CICO.
>Are you trying to say that 100% of your food is turned into either used or stored calories?
>Are you trying to imply that 100% of fuel in a combustion engine is either converted to heat or motion? That engines never run rich...or leak..
>Are you really trying to imply that people who starve to death from only eating rabbit, even if they eat 3000 calories of it a day, are somehow denying "Physics", as you put it?
>CICO is far too simplistic a "model" as is easily shown by skinny people who eat 4000 calories a day and stay skinny.
Found the fucking retard who is too damn dumb to realize that CO doesn't remain constant always and forevermore. I'm also impressed at just how assmad you are.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:44:22 2023 No.19869008
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>>19867724
>2. No one is getting fat off of eating a single tiny pizza and a donut. CICO.
CICO is such a fucking stupid, "um akshually" mantra. Yes, obviously the laws of physics exist and energy can't be summoned from a void. Maybe some delusional hambeasts need to hear that. But the problem is that focusing solely on calories ignores satiation. For example in OP's pic, the Italian lunch would fill you up way more, despite likely being similar or lower calorically, so you wouldnt feel the need to eat for longer. Children are not going to voluntarily endure hunger (and neither will most adults). So they will eat much more calories to feel satiated. Ergo, not all calories are created equally, and only thinking in terms of calories will not result in a sustainable, nourishing diet.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:45:24 2023 No.19869010
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>>19868849
>This fucking Guido doesn't realize that most of his Olive oil is sneed oil blends, his pasta is ALSO soaked with glyphosate, and 90% of his "Italiano" tomato products are now made in China, the ones grown in Italy are grown with Israeli hybrid seeds, harvested by African imports.
You dumb fucks HAD a great food supply...60 years ago. Too bad Greed from your own countrymen sold you down the globalist river.
You aren't any fucking better than the rest of us, Mario.
https://youtu.be/Fx_cPrC-K28?t=1383

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:49:19 2023 No.19869017 >>19868783 So true. Also America is large which means it's worthless to invest in transit and pedestrian infrastructure within cities. Being a large country means nothing good for the public can be done, because large country is large you see.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:52:30 2023 No.19869025
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>>19869002
>the fucking retard who is too damn dumb to realize that CO doesn't remain constant always and forevermore.
But that's EXACTLY what CICO-Tards posit.
Without it your whole argument CRUMBLES like dry sand.
>assmad
hilarious. So--I'll take your lame reply as a concession that you really don't think things through before vomiting your midwit, retarded "Opinions" as facts..
Got it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:55:43 2023 No.19869038 >>19868989 Well that's a fuckin' lie

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 01:56:49 2023 No.19869042 >>19869017 Yes, retard. America being physically large is why we and Canada have personal vehicle based infrastructure in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:00:49 2023 No.19869052 >>19869042 Yep, I definitely need one considering how many road trips from NYC to LA i take.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:05:04 2023 No.19869062

>>19869052
What the fuck are you even arguing about you stupid ass muncher? The population is relevent because there's not an unlimited supply of goverments gibs to feed every poor kid with. Public schools are notoriously underfunded so they go with cheap meals of high calorie junkfood to meet minimum requirements. Why in the leaping pink tranny fuck are you babbling about public transport

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:07:26 2023 No.19869067

>>19869062
because its the same retarded logic that somehow the country being big makes it impossible for us to invest in anything other than the military
we also have a way larger economy than italy and higher income per capita, your view would only make sense if we had the same economy as italy but with 350 million people
get the trannies off your brain and think for a second

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:19:15 2023 No.19869102 >>19869067 So you're too stupid to live, got it. Personally I don't care if Russia or China eats Europe.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:21:44 2023 No.19869112
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>>19869038
It's provably not.
We are DANGEROUSLY broaching /pol/-like redpills territory, but the amount of graft and misappropriation of funds as applies to the school lunch argument, has just as much to do with kickbacks to corporations like Marriott, CocaCola, GFS, SYSCO, YUM! Brands®, Etc.
This changeover began around the late '80s for most school districts--Previously, it was a USDA jurisdiction--The Yuppies,(boomers,) made short work of that through lobbying amendments to the USDA National School Lunch Program. Now The 3 major corpos involved are Aramark, Compass Group, and Sodex.
You can see the progression from "Healthy lunch Offered", to Profit sharing and revenue building through the use of corporate food conglomerates.
Pretty easy to see WHY school lunches are SHIT now compared to in the 60s.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-RCED-96-217/html/GAOREPORTS-RCED-96-217.htm

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:23:30 2023 No.19869117 >>19869112 bruh this board is pol on break

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>>19869062
>there's not an unlimited supply of goverments gibs to feed every poor kid with.
That's where you're WRONG bucko.
The social justice Gibs will NEVER be underfunded--They aren't spending your tax dollars anon--Those are long ago spent. Probably before you ever started paying taxes.
Nope, today's entitlements are funded out of thin air...forwarding the bill to your great grandchildren's bill--if this sham of a country keeps going that long.
>>19869117
(Shhhh!, I kno...)
See:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-RCED-96-217/html/GAOREPORTS-RCED-96-217.htm

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:31:36 2023 No.19869147 >>19869112 Oh probably? Definitely maybe?

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:33:15 2023 No.19869153
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>>19869117
OOps!
Repoasted the link in the wrong part of my poast.
Have another (you) for your trouble...
Link I meant to post:
http://www.cornellpolicyreview.com/school-food-inc-the-contracting-of-americas-national-school-lunch-program-and-its-nutritional-consequences/?pdf=258

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:33:49 2023 No.19869157 File: 180 KB, 820x838, 1642292849737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867729 >t.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:34:47 2023 No.19869161 File: 64 KB, 640x360, Beetus with sugar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19869147 Read it again... There's no shame in needing glasses, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:36:43 2023 No.19869167 File: 67 KB, 620x513, R (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867648 imagine they are serving this to children in italy.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 02:37:40 2023 No.19869171

>>19869025
What the fuck do you think CICO is? Could you please explain the position you think you're arguing against? Everyone knows that the metabolism varies based on a variety of factors. How much you eat, how much exercise, how much brown fat you have, genetics, etc. That's called BMR which is part of the formula of "calories out." And do you shit out some trace nutrients that don't get absorbed, yes. The calorie content of food that gets published is considering the usable amounts of nutrients that the body absorbs from the food. It's literally all factored in. And if you think there's an element which changes the effective calorie content of the food, or which changes my BMR, which I'm not aware of, you're not arguing against CICO. You're just saying you have a more accurate CICO formula than me.

My claim (which has been empirically studied) is that keto does not cause you to lose more weight than a balanced diet containing the same calories. Keto works because it reduces your appetite and makes you eat less calories without having to endure as much discomfort.

Also your point about rabbit poisoning is fucking retarded too. Do you think everyone who says "CICO" thinks that the only nutrient needed by the human body is calories and that's it? What the fuck position do you think you're arguing against? Do you think my position crumbles because of the fact that humans can't live exclusively off gummy bears too?

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:16:08 2023 No.19869276

>>19869171
I think you are being willfully obtuse.
Every other fag who argues CICO Argues from the standpoint that CALORIES IN=CALORIES OUT
REGARDLESS of what those calories are from, hence the McDonalds argument.
>Everyone knows that the metabolism varies based on a variety of factors.
No, they don't.
If you do, then you aren't arguing CICO any more.
3000 calories of lean rabbit meat starving someone is EXACTLY what CICO faggots say doesn't matter.
Also, If you think for a moment that large amounts of calories and nutrients don't get passed in some unhealthy, gut broken hambeast's shit who eats 5000calories a day, you are wrong.
CICO IS literally Calories in=Calories out. Nobody puts these strictures on it that you have.
>And if you think there's an element which changes the effective calorie content of the food, or which changes my BMR, which I'm not aware of,
There absolutely are: Insulin regulation/resistance, Ghrelin and Leptin disruptors, other hormone disruptors, destruction of a healthy gut flora, necrotization of vili, and viliar function, Fatty liver disease from being flooded with an unnatural amount of free Fructose,(HFCS and the resultant inflammation and arterial plaque buildup to prevent that damage,) Seed oils and their inflammatory effects..etc, etc, ad nauseam.
I'm not arguing for or against keto. That is goalpoast shifting.
You are, perhaps unwittingly, using a term, CICO, in a way that it is NOT used here.
That said-You have NOT defined "Your position"
>Also your point about rabbit poisoning is fucking retarded too.
Nope. Just because YOU'VE never seen it before, doesn't make it any less true.
I gotta tell ya, anon. You shit argument is looking A LOT like pilpul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:19:20 2023 No.19869285 how could you possibly starve to death while eating 3000 calories worth of rabbit every day? I only need 2700 calories to maintain my current weight

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:27:16 2023 No.19869305

It comes down to intelligence and personal responsibility. If you grew eating hyper processed slop and didn't realize how terrible it is by age 12-13 then you're retarded and deserve your diet related illnesses. I grew up in the projects with a single mother on welfare so don't tell me its impossible for poor people to eat healthy food.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:30:32 2023 No.19869313

>>19869285
It's well documented. There isn't enough fat in lean rabbit meat. Your brain is made of cholesterol and runs exclusively off of glucose. At a certain point, your body cannot convert enough protein in to glucose to keep it running.
Overstressing the Urea cycle and shutting down the liver and kidneys.
Retard explanation:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

Non-Tard explanation:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16779921/

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:35:09 2023 No.19869324 >>19869313 What if the rabbits themselves were really fat?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:41:04 2023 No.19869338 >>19869324 if someone is desperate enough to live off rabbits i guess theyd be eating stringy wild rabbits not farm fattened chunguses

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:47:43 2023 No.19869354 >>19869313 so it's nothing inherent to rabbits, it's just a lack of fat? eat the fatty rabbit liver and brains and you're fine, no?

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:47:45 2023 No.19869355
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>>19869305
>It comes down to intelligence and personal responsibility.
Mostly. And good on ya for pulling out of the shit, anon.
But you would be remiss if you didn't acknowledge just how poisoned the food supply is, I truly believe intentionally, and for profit.
There are just as many of the fading middle class who think they are eating healthy, clean foods, because they are paying 2x-6x as much for it. Many aren't.
You can do the best you can, but Non-GMO project means shit if it's "Organic Seed oils" or Non-GMO wheat that's sprayed down with glyphosate anyway right before harvest.
The fact that those selfsame companies who make the AG chems make the ameliorative drugs for the illnesses they create should be alarming.
The only people these days who are eating a truly clean, healthy diet are those raising their own livestock and growing their own crops from heirloom seeds that they reclaim every year.
I was recently infuriated to find that yes, even my precious Non-GMO cane sugar, like ALL cane sugar these days,(and sugar beets too,) are "Chemically Ripened" using Round-up too.
For...Fuck's...Sake...
>>19869324
>>19869338
If they are fat enough, sure. but that's a tall order for a chungus even.
Just gonna copy-pasta this for those who don't want to log into Wiki-Pedo
>A World War II-era Arctic survival booklet issued by the Flight Control Command of the United States Army Air Forces included this emphatic warning: "Because of the importance of fats, under no conditions limit yourself to a meat diet of rabbit just because they happen to be plentiful in the region where you are forced down. A continued diet of rabbit will produce rabbit starvation -- diarrhea will begin in about a week and if the diet is continued DEATH MAY RESULT."

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:53:20 2023 No.19869367

>>19869354
It IS inherent to rabbits:
>The groups that depend on the blubber animals are the most fortunate in the hunting way of life, for they never suffer from fat-hunger. This trouble is worst, so far as North America is concerned, among those forest Indians who depend at times on rabbits, the leanest animal in the North, and who develop the extreme fat-hunger known as rabbit-starvation. Rabbit eaters, if they have no fat from another source—beaver, moose, fish—will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude and vague discomfort. If there are enough rabbits, the people eat till their stomachs are distended; but no matter how much they eat they feel unsatisfied. Some think a man will die sooner if he eats continually of fat-free meat than if he eats nothing, but this is a belief on which sufficient evidence for a decision has not been gathered in the North. Deaths from rabbit-starvation, or from the eating of other skinny meat, are rare; for everyone understands the principle, and any possible preventive steps are naturally taken.
You'd truly be better off supplementing with pigeon or fish.
Even though all brains are made of cholesterol, they don't have the right proportion of fat to protein.
I'm not sure eating 10 rabbit brains a day would be feasable, let alone safe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 03:58:06 2023 No.19869380 File: 161 KB, 1024x700, 1944_OsloLunch_Kraftcrop-1024x700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Oslo diet was implemented in my country It was a success because it led to school children gaining weight

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:02:41 2023 No.19869393 >>19869380 Why does everyone in that ad look they're minutes away from becoming active shooters

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:03:52 2023 No.19869396

>>19869276
>calories in=calories out
That's not what it means though. CICO stands for calories in, [comma] calories out. In other words, it is shorthand for the idea that if you eat more calories than you burn you gain weight and vice versa. The "calories in" is what you eat, and the "calories out" is what you burn from exercise and baseline metabolism. It seems like you think people who say that are arguing that every calorie is exactly identical in all ways which nobody actually thinks. Maybe there is some really stupid guy out there who believes this but I assure you the majority don't. I hail from /fit/ originally and I assure you that everyone there knows you need to eat protein to build muscle, and most know that fat is important for producing certain hormones, and many know that carbohydrates spike insulin and are involved in hunger signaling and transporting nutrients into the muscle tissue (kickstarting anabolism) etc. And all of these people say "CICO" referring to the equal effect that calories have ON YOUR BODY WEIGHT. The McDonald's argument is that if you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight, even if all you eat is McDonald's, which is true.
Rabbit starvation (aka protein poisoning) happens because the human liver can metabolize 285-365g of protein per day, about 2g per kg of body weight. The kidneys have a limited capacity to eliminate the products of protein catabolism. When the liver’s capacity to metabolize protein or the kidney’s capacity to eliminate waste products is exceeded, we develop excessive amounts of amino acids, ammonia, and urea in the blood stream. I just copy and pasted that off some website but yes, I have heard of it before. It doesn't invalidate my idea of CICO nor anybody else's because you are arguing against a completely flawed idea that nobody believes.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:19:59 2023 No.19869430

>>19869276
>>19869396 cont'd
Almost everyone arguing about nutrients and diets on the internet (at least 99%) knows that the human body needs various things to survive, not JUST calories. There are a number of essential amino acids, you need various micronutrients, at least some trace amounts of sugar for your brain even on keto, you need cholesterol. They teach this in like first grade even in the US. I promise you that everyone who says the word "CICO" knows about this. Just think about it realistically for a second, do you really think the people you're arguing against are THAT stupid? You think that even nutritionists and biologists running around who talk about CICO don't know that humans need to eat essential fatty acids? You are obviously smarter than the average human by a lot, but don't make the mistake of thinking that literally everyone who argues with you is flat out retarded. You're severely strawmanning and failing to understand the basic argument of probably 99% of the people you think you disagree with. Even if you're right, you are damaging your own position to onlookers by representing it so obtusely.
>I'm not arguing for or against keto
>>Seething kike literally shilling al over the internet because its furious thr goyim finally know again that eating meat is good for you
This you?
>my argument looks like pilpul
No it doesn't, give me a fucking break. We all know you just wanted an opportunity to remind everyone that you're le based and everyone who argues with you represents the Jew.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:26:21 2023 No.19869442
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>>19869396
>PILPUL
You KNOW what I meant, here's the #1 search result on startpage:
>If you’ve ever tried to lose weight, then you’re probably familiar with the “calories in, calories out” (CICO) equation.
>Equation
If that's not what it is, then AT LEAST concede the point that the "PHYSICS" or "2nd law of thermodynamics" bullshit that CICO advocates constantly fall back on,*(Remember??)
> That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't magically invalidate the laws of physics. You are so goddamn stupid stop shitting up the board and fucking use Google...
You know what.. FUCK it. THIS is the hazard of 4troons.
I'll bet IRL, you and I would agree on MOST of what we're talking about, and civilly look up the shit we weren't sure of in "better than Normie" sites/sources.(Actual studies and papers, not "Healthsites")
I'll bet we could even agree that many of the "Accepted" studies are COI riddled and possibly bullshit only published so the scientists could keep getting grants, and the companies could keep selling products with "SCIENCE!!"
I fucking hate that this place has destroyed most discourse that would've been moar productive were it 7-10 years ago.
>I'm not arguing for or against keto
yes
>Seething kike literally shilling al over the internet because its furious thr goyim finally know again that eating meat is good for you
NO
It's too bad.
If we'd met IRL, we could've argued our points and come to a better understanding on BOTH sides. Then maybe you could've gotten me to go lift with ya.
I think we agree more than disagree...
This place
>pic

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:29:51 2023 No.19869450 >>19869380 sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar jesus christ

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:40:33 2023 No.19869474

>>19869430
I try to be very careful about hubris-(my own,) but it's true; I've met nutritionists, dieticians and doctors who rattle off wrong information ALL the time.
>We all know you just wanted an opportunity to remind everyone that you're le based and everyone who argues with you represents the Jew.
You got a goyKek outta me.
No anon. I swear to you. I'm NOT the sort who has to be right at all costs, And I KNOW That even IF I were 99th percentile, that STILL leaves 80 Million people on the planet who are smarter than I am.
You may be one of them.
I will say this: If only 4plebs kept an archive of /ck/, I could show you the 20+ times I've argued with anons exactly what you are saying people don't argue.
Clearly that isn't you.
I must have Troll fatigue..Forgive me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 04:52:38 2023 No.19869488 >>19867648 I'm surprised american food is so efficient in making people fat. That can't be more than 400 calories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:01:49 2023 No.19869505 >>19868004 Then the problem appears to be allowing low class, low intelligence parasites breed and produce more vermin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:04:54 2023 No.19869509 >>19867648 Average person should be aware by now, problem is succumbing to certain foods it becomes hard to break them or cravings once you're in their clutch . I'm not one for sweets but I love salt

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:09:07 2023 No.19869516 >>19868004 >its impossible to break to a cycle Shut the fuck up, retard. Plenty of neglected and abused kids realize what a shit existence they're living and reverse it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:11:29 2023 No.19869521

>>19869488
the donut (cake donut, chocolate icing) is probably around 300 on its own.
10oz of chocolate milk is about 200 calories.
1 serving of fritos is 160 calories
the mini pizza is really hard to say, but probably around 250-300 if i had to guess.
the unknown brown sauce is probably barbecue sauce and around 100 calories.
that's 1035kcal all together.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:12:15 2023 No.19869522
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>>19869488
Nah...way more.
>chocolate pudding cup=100cals
>mini pizza=320cals
>1/3nd quart choccy melk=130cals
>1 serving fritos(32 chips)=160cals
>chocolate glazed cake doughnut=450cals
yep, no shit, I went with the SMOL numbers too.
>1160 total calories for that garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:27:01 2023 No.19869555 >>19869521 we are very close in our numbers, anon... You may be right about the BBQ sauce, But WHY would they do that for the chips? I went with the H-E-B doughnut because that's a brand the school would have access to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 05:32:06 2023 No.19869565 >>19869555 barbecue fritos is a goated pairing, that's why they made official barbecue flavor fritos, and the all-time greatest frito-lay product: honey barbecue fritos twists

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 06:01:31 2023 No.19869628 >>19867648 >implying they don't want you to be fat It's by design, nigger

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 06:05:20 2023 No.19869637

>>19869565
>honey barbecue fritos twists
I have to admit, even though I haven't eaten them in more than 10 years, I can still remember exactly how they tasted and crunched.
And to think, if you had a pasta maker that could make Rotini, you could make a dough of masa and flavor it with a mix of BBQ powder and honey powder 70/30 mix after deep frying them in lard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 06:06:18 2023 No.19869638 >>19869555 I've never heard of a serving of barbecue sauce, it's most likely chocolate pudding.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 06:13:43 2023 No.19869646
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>>19869638
Well, that's what I thought. I wouldn't put it past them though, since I've seen menus which count a smol souffle cup of 'Chup as a vegetable serving, (Also mostly sugar.)
Either way, they were both 100cals. and they would BOTH still be sugar overload.
>pic mostly unrelated

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 06:40:45 2023 No.19869685
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>>19869638
why include chocolate pudding alongside a donut though? Really hard to tell, even with a higher resolution photo.
This photo is not an actual school lunch, but a stock photo taken by Debbi Smirnoff.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 07:24:50 2023 No.19869728

>>19867724
>>19867825
CICOfags are worse than ketofags. It's such a uselessly low-resolution take on food. Learn basic fucking nutrition. 500 calories of sugary trash is not equal to 500 calories of protein and veggies. Calorie-counting is never gonna save you if you never learn to fucking eat. I feel like people keep spouting this "CICO CICO IT'S JUST CICO" mantra because they literally cannot and will not give up the junk food, and they just have brief periods of "counting calories" while still eating trash

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 07:40:59 2023 No.19869755

>>19869396
>>19869430
>I promise you that everyone who says the word "CICO" knows about this
>Maybe there is some really stupid guy out there who believes this
As someone who frequents /fit/ i can tell you ever 3rd or 4th poster typing CICO is means literally nothing about macronutrients they are talking exclusively about calorie amounts hence why they parrot 'muh thermodynamics' instead of acknowledging the fact that shit like obesogens exist, let alone toxins in food that force your fat production up to insulate them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 07:41:46 2023 No.19869757 >>19868909 >France has Europe's top cuisine and it's not even close. This. Also the French are never as autistic as Shitalians when it comes to food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 08:01:56 2023 No.19869780 >>19869008 Five star post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 08:09:43 2023 No.19869790 >>19869008 >But the problem is that focusing solely on calories ignores satiation. intermittent fasting is good for you. it allows for moments of clarity that fatties will never have

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 08:11:23 2023 No.19869793

>>19867825
Keto does exist and it's a real thing, but no one who is not a seriously ill epileptic child can possibly follow one.
Real keto looks like this:
>7:00, half a cup of heavy cream
>9:00, half a cup of heavy cream
>12:00, half a cup of heavy cream
etc etc
You do not enter ketosis unless you go extreme with your diet. What "keto" does is just encourage people to eat less chips, soda, candy and other sugary trash food. This is enough to see positive effects, but ketosis is never a part of it. Even meat contains carbohydrates in the form of glycogen, especially raw meat. Inuit peoples traditionally eat only fish and marine mammals, and they do not enter ketosis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 08:42:37 2023 No.19869845 >>19868755 A kid doesn't need to eat pizza, fries, and hamburgers twice a day fatty. Lunch should be light to limit postprandial somnolence so kids can stay concentrated during afternoon classes.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 08:57:22 2023 No.19869878
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>>19869757
>French are never as autistic
>go to Paris with wife
>order lunch
>croque madame for me (cause I like egg)
>croque monsieur for wife
>waitress comes and mixes them up
>tell her the madame is for me
>waitress makes this face as she switches plates
what did I do

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:10:56 2023 No.19869913 >>19869878 >what did I do You could have just switched plates without her help.

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:18:50 2023 No.19869928

>>19869728
But it's correct within the scope of what people are talking about when they say CICO, which is weight management. It's a low resolution model because its outcome is similarly low-resolution; the number on the scale.

This doesn't mean its bad or wrong; one guy eating 2.5k of burgers and another guy eating 2.5k of lean meat, veggies, etc, if they have similar frames and activity levels, are probably going to be fairly close in weight. The first guy is going to be probably malnourished, while the second guy won't be, but that's beyond the scope of the physical processes that CICO models.

CICO is literally JUST biochemical energy balance for the normoids with just enough self discipline to add numbers together; it's not a holistic model of "nutrition".

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:19:55 2023 No.19869930

>>19867724
>2. No one is getting fat off of eating a single tiny pizza and a donut. CICO.
hyper processed foods are as addictive as some hard drugs.
You wouldn't want drug dealers to hand out micro doses of cocaine at school either.

And then we haven't talked about other properties of those foods like the lack of micronutrients, satiety, health, ect...

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:20:58 2023 No.19869931 >>19867760 Michelle Obama got bought out by the food industry that sellout whore cunt

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:43:56 2023 No.19869949 >>19867648 move to italy then faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 09:59:35 2023 No.19869967 >>19868773 You typed a whole lot and didn't even refute them. Did your dad molest you with the baguette for your little sister's breakfast or dinner?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 10:16:35 2023 No.19869992 >>19868783 Food is much cheaper in US than in Europe

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 10:17:54 2023 No.19869994

>>19867729
Keto doesn't say otherwise, you just use a less efficient energy route with keto, you effectively decrease the calories coming in. Some hormone behaviour shifts slightly aswell, making the calories out larger. People are also just less able to over eat on keto due to a meat rich diet being more demanding of the stomach and gut

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 13:18:18 2023 No.19870204

>>19867648
Maybe my state was just different, but our school lunches weren't bad at all. Always had a salad, main course was typically just protein and carbs. The treat was literally frozen orange juice popsicles. They weren't even that sweet. I think we got a cookie or two once a week maybe. The most unhealthy meal I can think of was the French toast sticks, but that was a once a month thing. Idk

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 13:19:40 2023 No.19870207 >>19867856 seek help bub

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 13:38:33 2023 No.19870226

>>19869967
>Did your dad molest you with the baguette for your little sister's breakfast or dinner?
We do not eat 'le baguette ' in my country, we eat panini, and only ever as an entre, never main course.
Your lack of understanding, and desperation to squeeze a line about my sister in, suggests to me you're an uneducated pedophile.

A french paedophile, which is the worst kind there is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 14:49:26 2023 No.19870342 File: 64 KB, 1236x432, screen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19869442 Come on dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 14:56:05 2023 No.19870361 >>19867648 that top lunch is present in the most expensive exclusive italian school maybe, all Italian lunch apologists ITT go kill yourselves

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 14:59:06 2023 No.19870367 >>19867648 Test

Anonymous Sun Nov 5 15:12:48 2023 No.19870393

>>19869793
This is not true at all, it's pretty easy to get in. I have done it before, and I bought ketone detecting strips that you piss on just for curiosity sake and I can confirm it works. You can get away with eating tiny amounts of carbs like the glycogen in meat and it still works. I have also entered ketosis from extended fasting, the longest I have gone with 0 food whatsoever is 10 days and I can confirm it feels exactly the same as the keto diet. After a couple of days your appetite disappears and it feels like your body is running on a nuclear reactor. Just a low but constant hum of usable energy that's consistent throughout the day, with no swings in alertness or tiredness like you feel when you're on grain.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 15:49:48 2023 No.19870467 >>19869685 Yeah, the actual food looks far worse

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 16:12:36 2023 No.19870516 >>19869930 Micro doses of cocaine aren't more harmful than caffeine. The difference between caffeine and cocaine is that caffeine kills you if you take enough of it to have fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 17:40:30 2023 No.19870726 Anyone else ever notice how most regular sized packs of snacks (e.g. cheeze-its, cookies, and chips) contain 1200 - 1500 calories? In the entire bag. It's more than that when you get into ice cream pints. Especially Ben & Jerry's "Everything But The."

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 20:53:20 2023 No.19871203 >>19867729 >Keto says otherwise keto is a marketing gimmick and ketosis doesn't exist, anon. lrn2reality

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 22:26:14 2023 No.19871475 >>19869913 >French servers get paid far more than American ones >fucks up order >won't do basic work >bitches about Americans tipping

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 23:03:18 2023 No.19871552 >>19867724 They fill school lunches with 2k calories in american schools to make up for poor kids not getting food otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 5 23:27:54 2023 No.19871619 >>19867856 >Meanwhile the meme image is more red herring because that's not what american or italian school lunches look like. They look more like long-haul airline food from both countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 00:22:36 2023 No.19871803 >>19867873 you just talked about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 00:27:17 2023 No.19871823 I don't see the problem it literally says low fat milk.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 00:37:37 2023 No.19871867

>>19867648
Only the chocolate milk and sauce are what school lunch was actually like. Never in pre-k through 12th grade did we ever get doughnuts, chips always came in a bag and were an extra charge, and the closest we ever came to that mini pizza was pizza bagels.
Those noodles on the italian tray actually look a lot like the food we got.
But I get the point. I distinctly remember when I was real young my father telling me about how fast food was crap and you shouldn't eat it. To my child ears he seemed nonsensical but nowadays I think he was on to something. It's all a matter of self control and a lot of people these days don't have that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 00:37:57 2023 No.19871870 >>19868980 >CICO is far too simplistic a "model" as is easily shown by skinny people who eat 4000 calories a day and stay skinny. This has never happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 01:31:16 2023 No.19872093 Do people really leave their childrens diet in the hands of the lowest bidding government contractor instead of just packing them a lunch?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 01:39:08 2023 No.19872119 >>19869008 >CICO is such a fucking stupid, "um akshually" mantra. Complaining about "um actually" boils down to "you're right, but I'm mad about it, so it doesn't count!".

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 01:40:10 2023 No.19872122 >>19869728 >500 calories of sugary trash is not equal to 500 calories of protein and veggies. No one said that. The initial argument was that eating one donut and one tiny pizza for lunch will not turn someone obese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 01:42:06 2023 No.19872132 >>19868892 >Just think for a moment and wonder why these "hardworking" "people" cant seem to make anything of their homelands wtf are you talking about trailer trash in the middle of rural nowhere aren't immigrants from other countries

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 02:06:25 2023 No.19872208

I know some lady who is the food planner for school districts. She is a smug know-it-all type and her job is just using spreadsheets and buying pre-made slop for children. and all that matters is that the numbers fit in some government rules about fat or whatever. there is zero food culture or common sense here. I wish I had human rights and were born in Japan or europe maybe

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 03:06:24 2023 No.19872372 >Eat a few bowls of mac n cheese >Feet start tingling What did my body mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 03:33:44 2023 No.19872446 >>19868980 Dumbest fucking post on the board right now. I know you're a literal tranny just of this post. Kys

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 03:41:15 2023 No.19872467 >>19872119 being reductive is not a real argument

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 05:03:53 2023 No.19872717

>>19868109
Not him but your are wrong. That looks like if someone went to an Italian American restaurant and try to made a launch box out of what he left

- we don't use "launch box" trays in the first place. Kids are served one plate for the pasta and one plate for the main dish + side vegetables + a fruit
- we do not dream of putting the main food on top of the side, even in our wildest dreams
- no school would serve fucking arugula to childer. Although we are on average more used to a wider taste gamut wrt Americans, a lot of children find it bitter
- the main dish looks like chicken cacciatora, but I could be wrong. That said, it's not an Italian dish
- we don't put that amount of parsley. Again, the fact that a dish doesn't look complete without a "green" it's an American thing. We are fine with monochoromatic dishes
- that bread doesn't look at all like a bread you would be given at an Italian school cafeteria. It's less "rustic" and more refined, but not as bad as wonderbread
- grapes are not extremely common either. We usually get bananas, apples and pears. Sometimes kiwis

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 10:47:00 2023 No.19873172
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>>19867648
>>19867724
>1. That's not what actual Italian school lunches look like.
This. If people say "That's fake you're gay" They aren't Italian. When I was a kid till midleschool I always choose the option Messhall, because well till like 6 years ago was still banned to bring your own food from home(they had to make a law to remov ethis rule) so the food at the messhall was almost on par with american pictures of their messhall, yeah there was still some good food, like I remember the day of the Lasagna was the best or Pizza day, but the day with "Beefstake" was horrible, meat that has the taste and consistency of rubber with a side of cold salad without nothing on top is dreadful, pic related was the pasta, only by looking at it I remember the taste, acid foul taste with pasta that was overdone so all mushy and like 3kg of sauce to pick up with a little cube of bread.
You had the option eating at home(not everyone could take it) or eating the food of the messhall, but you couldn't bring food from home. Now I know that people bring it and usually is stuff from the Pic related, usually is like a thing Pasta Salad/cold pasta, Salads, Sandwich with a lot of stuff inside a little dessert or a fruit ususally this are the lucnhes they pack now the modern italian or even the old recepie against waste like "Frittata Pasta" or "Pasta pasticciata" from the day before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 11:06:10 2023 No.19873197 >>19873172 >"beefstake" you mean Bistecca you fake italian?

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 11:22:27 2023 No.19873213

>>19873197
Si dico bistecca come se non posso tradurlo in inglese in Beef Stake, perche come sai ci sono tante Stake/bistecche di tanti tipi di animali. Non sono un falso testa di cazzo solo perche ho sbagliato a non mettere spazio o a dire solo stake. Come se ho rovinato tutta la mia storia con una sola parola. Dai se sei italiano allora te la ricordi la Sodexo(se eri al nord) e i loro cibi di merda.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 11:41:17 2023 No.19873232 >>19873213 Lol, como se dice ‘Nice meltdown, ragazzo’ en italiano?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 15:11:23 2023 No.19873624 >>19872717 >grapes are not extremely common either. In Italy? One of the world's largest producers of grapes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 15:16:56 2023 No.19873637 >>19867729 keto is such a fucking joke now. same with carnivores. Almost just as bad as vegans. I've done keto, and props to anyone that can do it long term. Meals are so fucking boring without carbs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 15:24:00 2023 No.19873646 >>19867648 God I wish we got a fucking donut with our school lunches. Instead it was an otter pop and they sold them under the table.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 15:34:18 2023 No.19873671 >>19868219 Sending all the white trash back across the Atlantic would improve my state a great deal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 16:23:33 2023 No.19873780 >>19873624 In school cafeteria

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 16:25:24 2023 No.19873787 >>19873637 > , and props to anyone that can do it long term. Yeah, props to those retards who are doing the guinea pigs for free

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 16:25:53 2023 No.19873789 >>19873624 sure, let's eat a handful of wine grapes...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 17:13:06 2023 No.19873938 >>19867648 Italy can have it's nanny state. The state feeds people who are poor. If you want your kid to eat better food, get a better job and make better meals or buy a meal plan worth a shit.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 17:16:15 2023 No.19873948

>>19867760
> Americans want their children to eat 900 calories of fat and sugar and have access to snacks the entire time and any suggestion that it is bad for them is seen as a violation of freedoms
It was a violation of their freedoms. It's a person's choice if they want to be an unhealthy slob.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 17:17:46 2023 No.19873951

>>19867781
>They get food stamps, they can afford food
I've seen shitheels use their stamps to get things like cigarettes or booze instead. Even if you can't purchase such things with them, they'd buy something others want with stamps then trade for cigs/alcohol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 17:37:29 2023 No.19873995 File: 1.11 MB, 3808x2559, 1694089965995922.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's some school food from Sweden posted today on plebbit

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:20:12 2023 No.19874094

>>19873995
>Here's some school food from Sweden posted today on plebbit
Hi, you may remember me from earlier in the thread, I'm the Italian, living in Berlin, with a Swedish girlfriend.
I showed this to my Swedish girlfriend and she said...
>nah mate, no fuckin way, tha look like hossie food, we did not eat nuthin like tha when I was a nipper.
I think she's saying it's not a true reflection of the food on offer at Swedish schools.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:31:08 2023 No.19874120 >>19873789 >sure, let's eat a handful of wine grapes... Edible grapes are widely grown in Italy, you dense cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:41:16 2023 No.19874138 >>19869878 >>waitress makes this face as she switches plates uh, based >what did I do you were an annoying American faggot who unwittingly created a gender joke when you could have switched the plates yourself with a wink.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:42:06 2023 No.19874139 >>19867771 late stage internet politics brain poisoning

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:44:35 2023 No.19874148 File: 1.09 MB, 300x314, giphy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19873232 >>19873213 bravo amici

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:46:01 2023 No.19874153 >>19874120 >calling me dense but throwing up largest producer in the world when the VAST SUPERMAJORITY of grapes are used for wines Get fucked you piece of shit.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:46:58 2023 No.19874156

>>19867648
If you let your kids eat slop it is your fault. It's not the school's job to provide your kids with 5 stars food.

I am from a European country where food is free at school. I grew up poor but I never ate at school except one time my mom didn't come to pick me up and the teacher forced me to eat lentils slop. My mom knew the school's food was shit so I always ate at home.

Eating healthier is cheaper in every country. You are a retard if you think otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 18:52:19 2023 No.19874174

>>19867648
I've seen videos and images of school lunches in other nations and the USA is fucking pathetic when it comes to school meals. It's no wonder so many parents and kids prefer packing their own meals. People in other nations are eating pretty fucking good at school, and we serve our kids garbage.

You'd be better off bringing a sandwich, fruit, and a bag of chips everyday VS what the school serves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 22:13:47 2023 No.19874692 Did you niggas have class all day? My school started at 7 in the morning and was over by 12 in the noon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 22:16:13 2023 No.19874697 The elephant in the room for me was alcohol Alcohol = fatass

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 22:32:04 2023 No.19874753 File: 251 KB, 960x896, B11F389B-31D0-4FFC-868C-B24D2C621844.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867648 Shut up faggot, you’re interrupting my fries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 22:45:35 2023 No.19874788 >>19867648 >ain't just a number wtf is this supposed to mean

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 23:09:27 2023 No.19874869
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>>19867648
Those "this is what school lunches look like around the world" images are fake because they were all prepared by the same chef, a chef who doesn't work in any school. Italy, for example, doesn't serve school lunches on trays like that. They use normal plates and bowls. In fact, if you look at the original photoshoot, they use the same tray for every single country. They even have Greece, a country that doesn't offer school lunches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 6 23:11:45 2023 No.19874876 File: 228 KB, 1600x1200, KWIKQJXLNII6THDNINVA35HTDU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19874869 Here's an image of Italian kids eating an Italian school lunch in Italy. Notice the lack of trays.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 23:21:10 2023 No.19874917
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>>19874876
Here's another example of what I'm talking about. Wow, who'd have thunk America and Korea use the exact same trays for their school foods! Whoever makes those trays must be banking it in.
In reality, just about every school in South Korea uses metal trays, not plastic. This meal isn't from South Korea, and it really doesn't look like authentic Korean food at all. It looks like some American chef whipped up what he thinks Korean food looks like.

Anonymous Mon Nov 6 23:23:38 2023 No.19874931
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>>19874917
And again, in reality, here's what actual Korean school food typically looks like. It's not bad, I'm not saying that. My point is what's the point in making fakes and then trying to pass them off as real? Why not just show actual pictures from actual schools?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:15:09 2023 No.19875122 >>19867648 Nobody gets served meals like top. Please find a real photo, not a staged one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:43:27 2023 No.19875211 >>19869685 Because nobody sells fully glazed donuts at US schools, the image is bullshit. It's not even objectionable beside the donut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:53:05 2023 No.19875243 There was a post on reddit about lunches and the world lunches aren't that special. The odd school here and there will have fancy one that gets pictured to make you feel bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:56:03 2023 No.19875251 >>19874139 reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:56:26 2023 No.19875253 >>19873995 Grim

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 00:58:23 2023 No.19875260

>>19874931
Because it's mostly retarded americans who use plastic trays like that and can't bé bothered to give their children proper kitchenware.

So it would harder to compare but I can assure you ALL the "french school food" you see in a tray are fake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:02:08 2023 No.19875273 >>19875243 go back

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:04:04 2023 No.19875280

>>19867781
The whole thing is a graft opportunity. But the meals shouldn't be set. The school should have a cafeteria that makes a wide range of items, and the kids assemble their own meals one part at a time. That way kids can eat around their different requirements, allergies, religions, etc. The meals shouldn't be free either, and I say this as someone that grew up skipping lunch at school every year to save money and in general approves of "universal" solutions in the US. School here is short enough that you can eat a meal when you get home, anyway.
>>19868004
If the kids aren't being properly cared for, the parents will be spoken to, and if the situation does not improve they should be taken away. It's not like the kid is going to have a good life if their parents are too shitty to make them a sandwich, but they get some lowest-bidder meat loaf and a couple baby carrots once a day. We have to rely on the parents to do all sorts of things, and letting them take one step further back from responsibility and paying attention to their kid isn't a solution I like.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:07:06 2023 No.19875285

>>19875280
>School here is short enough that you can eat a meal when you get home, anyway.
The reason free school lunch was invented was to account for the kids who don't get enough to eat at home. School lunch isn't free so that people who could afford it can save their money.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:13:17 2023 No.19875308

>>19875285
It's the US. Everyone here can get enough to eat. The country is famous for eating too much on average. I cannot think of any legitimate reason to be unable to feed a child. There is government support if you don't have the money to buy it, we have product diversity to fill grocery stores the size of city blocks, tons of food is edible raw or with the most minimal of cooking if you need to save time cooking sometimes, etc. The smallest children, that can't help with the cooking, eat less than older ones anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:18:16 2023 No.19875329 >>19875280 Children should get the best meals and the best education. The future of humanity rides on them and we treat them like an afterthought.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:18:32 2023 No.19875333

>>19874931
You need to understand that esls have literally nothing going for them. They know by now the world is basically America and all their history and culture folded to mcdonalds. At best their countries make some random special rotted shark product or whatever and we buy it from them for pennies. It's all just seethe like how they pretend there's no gay or black people in their countries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:25:45 2023 No.19875360 >>19875308 the country just went through the worst recession since the Great Depression, and the people at the bottom of the totem pole got hit the hardest.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:27:22 2023 No.19875368

>>19875329
>>19875360
I'm with you in principle, but the school administrations aren't up to the task. If we completely changed how school meals are prepared and sourced, then it might work, but I didn't feel that was in line with the initial thread premise. Getting some Cisco-brand frozen tater tots is not "the best". The education we have on offer isn't all that hot either, but that's off-topic.
Of course, everyone needs access to good nutrition. After all, the kids will do better if their parents are healthier, happier, have more energy, and so on. So really, the cafeterias should be open past schooltime and run as dining commons open to the general public, as a cheap alternative to cooking at home and going out to restaurants.
Shoes are expensive, but important, so the state should also run factories to produce generic but useful footwear to help support struggling families, and by extension, everyone else while they're at it. Then, the state should take establish means of production for the _____...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:41:19 2023 No.19875415 >>19875308 >I cannot think of any legitimate reason to be unable to feed a child. Parents being shit. family barely getting by on check to check.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 01:52:22 2023 No.19875457

>>19875368
Of course not. When I was a child, we had a principal who was hands on, got involved in any problems and was generally in charge. We feared and respected him. He had one secretary, and the school had one janitor. Everything ran efficiently(School of probably 250-300 students). My mother volunteered at a different school library as recently as 2012 and there are so many more secretaries, special needs aides and teacher assistants who do nothing but collect a paycheck and bloat school overheads its crazy. On top of this, the school admin cut 4 teachers and put their paychecks into his own. It's disgusting.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 04:30:08 2023 No.19876072

>>19875457
>cut teachers
I have the suspicion. The teachers are possibly part of a union and have good perks and/or retirement benefits. Much like the big "unpaid internship" trend, replacing full-time teachers wherever possible with assistants and specialists is probably a cost savings technique for the school. I've definitely heard about special needs specialists being thrown a room of tards and basically being told to babysit them all day, just so the school can wipe their hands of the issue efficiently, despite the specialists being totally unprepared for that.
Side rant A: While I think it's mutually good for special needs kids to be at the same school as regular kids, ones with dedicated aides probably shouldn't be in regular classes in most cases. That has to harm more than help for everyone.
Side rant B: I think one of the best things the US can do to improve almost every facet of its systems is to vastly step up anti-corruption enforcement and penalties. We rely on the government more than ever these days, its scale is such that greedy parasites can more easily hide in it, and there's a lot of social problems that are symptoms of general distrust and lack of faith in the government and its authority figures (police being the obvious example).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 05:45:49 2023 No.19876283 >>19873951 Almost anyone I've ever seen on foodstamps sells the entire thing at 50 cents on the $1 for cash to buy drugs. $300 per child and the child will see possibly none of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 05:48:01 2023 No.19876288 >>19867648 Retards made a USA meal that looks much better than the real thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 05:52:46 2023 No.19876297 >>19868193 Canadian schools do not serve lunch to kids?

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 12:11:33 2023 No.19876813
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Italian school lunches don't look like that. The lunches pictured are recreations based on the menus they've pulled up from school websites and they've got them hilariously wrong. For example the Finnish one gets the pea soup absolutely wrong (its not a watery broth like that) and "pancake" means a thicc nordic style one made in an oven served with a sugary jam.

Thats why I'm deducing that the italian one is also wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_Z3P_7oEc
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958640/Photos-school-lunches-served-world-reveal-just-meager-America-s-meals-compared-cash-strapped-nations.html
https://archive ph/WCF2L

t. Binlan

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 12:12:43 2023 No.19876816 File: 784 KB, 640x480, 1675298188377519.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19876813 The pea soup is actually a split pea soup with meat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 12:33:43 2023 No.19876849 >>19867648 >donuts >in a school lunch Is this a real thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 18:31:05 2023 No.19877773 to me it comes off as profit-rationalized cooking, gotta fill the plate with as much wheat-flour and potato products as possible because it costs (almost literally) nothing and leave as little as you can for meat or anything so substantial.

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 21:22:58 2023 No.19878222

>>19874869
They're not "fake" you mutt
They are just recreations of what a typical nation's school lunch looks like - that's why it's on the same tray
Did you think some guy would just travel around the globe to personally take pictures of school lunches?
kys

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 21:31:24 2023 No.19878253 >>19878222 >They're not "fake" you mutt They obviously are. >Did you think some guy would just travel around the globe to personally take pictures of school lunches? He should though instead of publishing fakes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:32:06 2023 No.19878657 Hello I am stupid. I heard that this is the stupid thread. Am I in the right place?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:39:10 2023 No.19878672 >>19868828 >defending the West >with no hint of irony >have to get off the internet, you shouldnt communicate

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:40:30 2023 No.19878678 >>19878657 welcome stupid

Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:43:44 2023 No.19878694

>>19874931
It's such a shame because I really am interested in what genuine school lunches look like all around the world. But kids aren't gonna take pictures of their lunches (unless they're trying to fuck with the school and making them seem bad or some shit). Teachers have their own lunches and they're not gonna take pictures of student lunches because administration might fuck with them. Not to mention that school lunches, in America at least, vary wildly just from county to county. I'd imagine it's the same with regions in European countries as well. Kind of wish I took pictures of my highschool lunches.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:50:03 2023 No.19878714 >>19878678 thank you

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 7 23:50:12 2023 No.19878716 >>19869010 >most of his Olive oil is sneed oil blends Not in Europe lmao we have standards. That’s literally an American thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 02:16:29 2023 No.19879145 >>19874139 Very sad to see, afraid that the only humane course of treatment is assisted suicide.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 02:18:21 2023 No.19879154 File: 46 KB, 495x620, images - 2023-11-08T131809.305.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867648 >Why do people ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to obesity? Anon...you can't call them elephants

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 02:30:58 2023 No.19879193 File: 387 KB, 1080x1001, Retard Green.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19874692 >Did you niggas have class all day? >7 in the morning and was over by 12 in the noon

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 02:53:46 2023 No.19879248 >>19867648 I grew up in Canada, but did an exchange program in France, and I could not believe how much better their school lunches were. The difference was about as stark as the OP pic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 02:55:18 2023 No.19879253 >>19879193 Technically with daylight saving and some large time zones noon might be an hour or two off from 12pm Imma use that meme tho it's pretty choice

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 04:34:59 2023 No.19879552

The point is for most of human history people ate what they could scavenge and being fat was a dream. Now that capitalism has satisfied this need it knows that it can make more money selling more food and other fat-adjacent products, so if you want to tell people to do more with less you have to change our entire economy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 04:36:46 2023 No.19879559 Also Amerifats and other corporate slaves would rather let Sodexho earn record profits than demand their kids get better food. We worship the almighty dollar and health is a distant fifteenth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 04:40:12 2023 No.19879569 >>19879559 >Sodexho Do they own Sysco, US Foods, Indianhead, and other bullshit that's shoved down our throats? I've been out of the industry for a while.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 04:58:41 2023 No.19879609 >>19879559 ? Anyone that gives a fuck about their kids doesn't allow them in school for starters, and certainly feeds them themselves.

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 10:53:59 2023 No.19880235

>>19875415
And why is that my problem
>uhm sweatie the health of society
The overwhelming majority of the population are useless scabs who take more out of the system than they put into it, and the "health of society" would demonstrably improve if the useless eaters were culled like the stray animals they are.

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 10:58:39 2023 No.19880243

>>19869112
>pic
That looks practically no different than the shit I got served at my normal public school in a normal urban area in the early 00s. The only difference is the roast chicken leg would be replaced with the shitty pizza slice or some mashed potato. The little bread loaf, slices of orange, and random steamed vegetables (and milk carton) are otherwise identical.
You're trying to make some sly anticapitalist antireagan argument but end up discrediting your own point

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 11:04:18 2023 No.19880251

>>19878672
The reason Europe didn't fall under (direct) soviet control is because of the constant presence of the US Armed Forces
The reason Europe hasn't been gobbled up by China is again because of the US
After WW2, Europe literally fell on their knees and begged us to protect them so they could put all their money into rebuilding their countries from the ashes, so we did. NATO was created to try and offload some of the defence spending to other western powers because by then it was reasoned that they had recovered from the war, but it ended up evolving into a military protection pact where the US works like a global mercenary group for the rest of the west. Of the 20+ NATO members, only four spend the required 2% GDP on defence spending: the US, the UK, Poland, and I think Lithuania.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 11:05:55 2023 No.19880255 >>19868949 starves working a collective farm in the middle of winter

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 11:10:01 2023 No.19880263 >>19869008 >load of carbs >load of carbs, Italian

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 11:13:46 2023 No.19880266

>>19874876
Explain to me how this is any different than an american kid getting served spaghetti or pizza?
>wheat-based carbs
>tomato sauce with olive oil and salt
>mozzarella cheese

It seems like the complaint is more just mindless seething about presentation rather than the actual foodstuffs

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 11:15:50 2023 No.19880269 >>19878716 Neekeri what do you think an olive is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 13:53:13 2023 No.19880503 >>19868109 bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 14:20:22 2023 No.19880532 >>19880269 A fruit.

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 18:31:54 2023 No.19881079

>>19880235
A lot of people are useless because the system is flawed and consistently outputs disfunctional individuals. Even if you cull them, the next generation will just output more, and now you need to dedicate some amount of your competent individuals to running the culling operation at all times.
The correct approach is to fix your broken machine, so with the effort you're already putting in you get vastly more usable output, and without the culling overhead.
>>19880251
>20+ NATO members
>only four spend the required 2%
Then it isn't so required, is it? Also, if the US is bankrolling the defense for all those other countries, it isn't really being a "mercenary".

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 19:53:13 2023 No.19881292 >trays That's prison food not school food. Easy mistake to make if you're american though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 23:41:49 2023 No.19882084 >>19879193 Honest to god tell me how/why I'm retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 8 23:46:36 2023 No.19882096 >>19879193 >class all day >shorter than a standard workshift, only 5 hours >12 in the noon I don't even have words for how mentally challenged 12 in the noon sounds. Noon already specifies 12PM. That's like saying midnight at 12 at night.

Anonymous Wed Nov 8 23:57:53 2023 No.19882126

>>19871870
Bullshit.
It's common enough that Archie comics even had a character BASED on just this.
Is it common? No. But not unheard of by a longshot. Lots of characters like this, because it's relateable; Shaggy, Ralph Kramden...The skinny glutton has been a trope for over 60 years.
You may argue--BUT, Those are all fictional characters! But have known several people in my life who ate 4000 calories IN A SITTING fairly regularly like 2 large pepperoni pizzas(~3000cals.) and a 2 liter of pepsi,(840cals), and were still skinny as a rail.
It's getting rarer, but those people definitely exist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:00:32 2023 No.19882134 >>19872093 YES! They raise them with video screens too... Shitty parents have shitty kids, who have shitty kids...Who have shitty kids...

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:03:28 2023 No.19882144 >>19873213 Based Wop kickin' out the shit. I can almost see you biting your thumb at him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:03:37 2023 No.19882145 >>19867724 >CICO diabetes*

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:05:57 2023 No.19882155

>>19882126
As one of these individuals, I don't think my existence disproves CICO at all. I think my metabolism just runs faster, so my "steady state" consumes more calories per day. It's probably why I'm skinnier than my peers, as even if I try to put on muscle for a few months it will atrophy within days of not working out. Plus, one can burn calories in ways beside exercise, e.g. working on my upcoming book about the deep mysteries of Evangelion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:10:53 2023 No.19882172 File: 79 KB, 1200x900, McChuckin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19875333 I've never before seen potential new pasta be so stale, right out of the gate. I am your only reply, regardless of your digits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:19:21 2023 No.19882201 >>19881079 >A lot of people are useless because the system is flawed and consistently outputs disfunctional individuals the system is operating as designed. Producing flawed people is the idea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 00:21:20 2023 No.19882207 >>19868109 >the groceries in Italy are of such a high standard to start with Other than the mafia fake olive oil.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 01:48:13 2023 No.19882486

>>19878716
>Not in Europe lmao we have standards.
I used to think so too... I used to think you guys had banned Round-up, and that your food supply wasn't as pozzed as ours('Meritard) but I was wrong.
Spanish, Greek and Turkish olive oils still seem good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 01:51:02 2023 No.19882501 ITT burger munchers try to pretend that they don't feed their kids poison

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 02:46:37 2023 No.19882632
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>>19880243
>You're trying to make some sly anticapitalist antireagan argument but end up discrediting your own point
I'm not trying to do either. But if you're going to throw "Anti"s around like that, I will say this: We don't live in a capitalistic society, we have crony capitalism.
Let me ask you: Did you have Coke machines in your school? Did you have "Educational" videos shown on brand new AV equipment?
My lunches also were just like the ones in the pic and what you describe--until the second half of my freshman year, when the Marriott contract was finalized. By the time my junior year rolled around, the vestigial remains of the old lunch counter was serving less than 50 trays a day in a school of ~1000
I'm not a team affiliate for either RED/BLUE team, Reagan was no less of a puppet than any other president.
Maybe the other schools like your "Urban" one already had it's graft already well established, therefore the attempt to sell out to corporate interests fell short. but any middle class public school in the late 80s/early 90s was fair game, and you can't deny that every single new school built after 1990 was designed like a mall, and the cafeterias were turned into "Food Courts"
There are just too many examples of this for you to claim "Gotcha Lefty"
>pic(had to crop due to size)
Are you OF the Reagan era? I am...I WATCHED it happen.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 03:03:22 2023 No.19882675
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>>19882155
>Checked
Well, We'd have to define what CICO is and isn't to have a meaningful discussion. Where I am coming from on this is the r-tards that mindlessly spout "CICO" whenever I was to posit that foods are not only seasonal in how your body uses them, but that certain food additives and leftover chems from production and farming DO have dramatic effects on BMR.
I really do agree with your post, anon, And good onya for writing a book that shoots for depth...But the CICO-tards I'm referring to believe that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, and every "System" operates just the same. that simply is just as false as saying that you should get just as much work out of a lawnmower by using either: gasoline, It's equivalent in BTUs of diesel, or it's equivalent on 80% ethanol mixed with 20% used motor oil.
I've had CICO guys somehow argue that competition eaters aren't shitting out massive amounts of unused "fuel" and other nutrients.
But sure...Calories In-Calories Out
https://youtu.be/a_r8mIAiL00

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 03:10:58 2023 No.19882690
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>>19882675
>that image
I've got the bottom 8 risks covered in spades, none of the top 3. I literally clarify butter. What am I in for?
>red meat, 2 servings a week
My doctor and my specialist both instructed me to eat more read meat as it's more available and I have trouble absorbing iron from other sources. Suck a dick.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 03:22:39 2023 No.19882716

>>19882126
I lost weight rapidly as soon as I moved away for college. I just started paying attention to my friends and peers at the dining hall. When a “skinny” person eats like that they eat very little the next day, I think it comes natural to healthy people. Not like my ass thinking
>biscuits and gravy with bacon for breakfast
>cheeseburger and fries for lunch
>fuck huge bowl of pasta with toppings and cream sauce
Is a normal meal schedule for every day. Athletes in particular were interesting, I watched a (rowing?) dude who had 6” on me and clearly exercises several hours a day at the pasta bar, he asked for just a full bowl of chicken and broccoli- no pasta no sauce. I looked down at the 1k+ calorie bowl I’d put together while doing no more exercise than walking to class that day and had a good ponder.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 03:45:57 2023 No.19882775
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>>19882690
>Suck a dick.
Friendly fire, anon..
I didn't MAKE the chart, I just poasted it.
I'm preddy shure there's all manner of fuckery based "Science"(3 month to 2 years sudies paid for IN HOUSE by the company making the product.) In ANY main stream info these days.
That said, you may wanna up your activity levels a bit, but I'm a staunch advocate of "Le EBIL MEATFATS and COW SLAVERY Blocks"
And a little drinky drinky is good too if it's Glyphosete free homebrew/stillin'
I'd eat copius amounts of meat daily if I could afford it. but I'd also temper that consumption with heavy activity, as I'd be wont to do anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 03:50:50 2023 No.19882789 >>19867724 >No one is getting fat off of eating a single tiny pizza and a donut They are when they eat it 5 days a week.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 04:01:39 2023 No.19882818
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>>19882716
I really believe that good clean food that doesn't cause hormone, insulin or immune system disruption allows this magnificent Biomachine, crafted over EONS, (Directed or not who can say?,) to regulate itself almost as automatically as the heart beats-This also includes epigenetics and environmental stresses;(low food supplies, overpopulation, social stresses that effect pregnant women,) as things that can generationally form both predominate body types and over prolonged generations, resistance/utilization of toxic environments.
Who knows what kind of genetic adaptations are going on in China? Hell, there may be sub-clades in Africa who eventually require PCB oil to metabolize fried foods(doubtful)
TL;DR: Eating foods your great grandfather did, you would eat until satiety and crave foods for missing nutrients.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 04:03:17 2023 No.19882824

as a fat kid who grew up and had to lose the weight. I think the problem isn't -just- the ads, but also that no one taught me anything. My parents bought cheap foods and easy to make meals. I remember growing up, every Wednesday was Pizza night because our local place had a buy 1 get one large specialty deal for 10$. Another $ for a 2 liter of soda.

School fed us crap. Teachers AT BEST had the food pyramid on a poster somewhere but never spent more than a day talking about it because inevitably when the teacher said "eating x food makes you fat" some wise ass would say "like anon?" It's a shame that big corpo wants people to just CONSOOOM and eat more mcdonalds.

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 04:12:42 2023 No.19882848

>>19882675
I see where you're coming from now. I usually see CICO in the context of "if you eat less, you will lose weight, unavoidable physics", which I agree with. But I suppose what I am thinking of is the bailey in this scenario. Thanks for writing that.
>>19882818
But "good clean food" is an unachievable pipe dream. You should steer toward that side of the gradient, but pretty much everything is going to have a cost attached. Just because people have been eating broccoli for a long time doesn't mean the broccoli plant wants to be eaten; it still is trying to poison us all the time. We have evolved to circumvent or consume many of its defenses, and more recently expanded our breeding techniques to try and render it even more useful as a food source, but the point stands. Like how feeding chocolate to a dog will kill it. We don't die from it (immediately, and perhaps not slowly), but the reason the plant makes things like theobromine and caffeine are to kill or dissuade animals trying to eat it.
>>19882824
This is a big part of it. Kids don't know anything they don't get from other kids (not nutrition freaks on the whole), from the school (way too basic since it's for near-retards), or from parents (quality varies widely).

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 04:34:14 2023 No.19882909
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>>19882824
>I think the problem isn't -just- the ads
The ads are just the reminder hook, I'm sure quite a few food companies started out with less than sinister intentions--But today isn't that. Certainly, you can't just blame a constant bombardment of stimuli that want you to buy their product, the products themselves have highly addictive and known detrimental effects that have been known for over 60 years.
At some point, when almost all available products are sold by 6-8 massive conglomerates that also have vested interests in Pharma drugs, weight loss products and food production AG chems which cause rampant damage to the human body...
(add to that Lobbyists for subsidies and government contracts,)
Well. A thinking man has almost no excuse not to do exactly what you did, but society at large AIN'T that either. I'm not for nanny states, but Judas Swung! Fucking next to impossible to get that food that hasn't been fucked with by "Normative standards and practices"
>>19882848
>But "good clean food" is an unachievable pipe dream.
ALMOST.
Sure is hard to find ANYTHING that hasn't been pozzed unless you exclusively grow it yourself or buy from the Amish,(that's not even close to a guarantee)
I hope you,(we all,) WIN...Truly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 10:58:22 2023 No.19883739 >>19867648 >Italian tray has more calories

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 11:48:23 2023 No.19883814 >>19869367 Would my own body fat be used up?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 15:48:46 2023 No.19884356 File: 1.41 MB, 1260x2192, mcdonaldsdiet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] :^)

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 16:33:44 2023 No.19884538

>>19882632
>We don't live in a capitalistic society, we have crony capitalism.
This is like saying real capitalism has never been tried. Read more history, it's always been like this. The relationship between government and business has been tied at the hip since the industrial revolution. Your "invisible hand of the free market" is, and has always been, government.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 18:11:12 2023 No.19884856 >>19884538 we live in a free market, "capitalism" is commie speak

Anonymous Thu Nov 9 19:22:12 2023 No.19885078

>>19867648
The elephant in the room is welfare.
In 2017, SNAP had $74 billion in funding.
About 5%, $3.7 billion, of SNAP benefits was spent on soda.
Even knowing companies like Coca-Cola and Nestle make billions off of SNAP, not even commies want to restrict benefits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 19:24:53 2023 No.19885085 >>19867648 >>19867724 Many kids don't even get lunch and are spending all day in school learning or playing. If anything, they're likely eating worse at home.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 9 19:57:04 2023 No.19885174 >>19884356 Man, I can't imagine the cumulative pants-creaming that must have gone on in the McD's meeting rooms when they heard about this guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 01:45:12 2023 No.19886265 >>19867800 Just make a calorie tax. Easiest solution.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 10:42:59 2023 No.19887496 File: 3.31 MB, 1080x1920, dahnaygyal.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867781 >They get food stamps, they can afford food>>19868004

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 10:45:22 2023 No.19887500 File: 3.31 MB, 1080x1920, dahnaygyal.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19867781 >They get food stamps, they can afford food

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 10:47:10 2023 No.19887502 >>19867648 So we should call it an unhappy meal? And scream at children if they eat food they like? I agree. We should strive to make children miserable that way they don’t develop poor eating habits

Anonymous Fri Nov 10 10:58:39 2023 No.19887508

>>19868538
Did they get paid or do you have a slave class in your caste composed of the elderly? I went to Italy once. I watched an ambulance drive on the sidewalk to get somewhere faster and it ran someone over and killed them. Then about 30 mopeds came screaming behind it so they could avoid traffic too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 11:01:19 2023 No.19887510 >>19868680 MY GRANDMA IS THE GREATEST CHEF IN THE WORLD!!!! SHE SHAPED MEAT IN TO BALLS AND PUT PASTA IN WATER AND THEN SHE MASHED UP SOME TOMATOES!!!!!! ITS SO COMPLICATED!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 11:09:43 2023 No.19887515 >>19867724 Mouse studies have shown mice on vegetable oil diets get more obese on the same number of calories compared to olive oil. The obesity rate perfectly tracks introduction of seed oils into the diet. CICO is not the end of the story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 10 11:41:06 2023 No.19887536 >>19867724 >>19869728 CICO and ketofags are both dumb It's all about macros

Anonymous Fri Nov 10 13:05:02 2023 No.19887627

>>19870726
>Anyone else ever notice how most regular sized packs of snacks (e.g. cheeze-its, cookies, and chips) contain 1200 - 1500 calories? In the entire bag.
No?
A typical single serving bag is at most 300 cal
Can't speak to ice cream, I'm not a fatty and don't buy it.

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