/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19864009]

Why doesn't Asian cuisine use tomatoes?

[Anonymous No.19864015]

It does. There are plenty of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai dishes that have tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.19864025]

Asian cuisine is incompatible with reductive sauces and long cooking times. corn starch, vinegar, and sugar preclude tomatoes entirely.

[Anonymous No.19864026]

>>19864015
For example?
I seriously have never heard of one that did.
inb4 Mosburger

[Anonymous No.19864037]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stir-fried_tomato_and_scrambled_eggs

it's pretty good too

[Anonymous No.19864043]

>>19864037
>is a result of mixing Chinese and Western cuisine
Fusion doesn't count, mate.
inb4 Mosburger

[Anonymous No.19864046]

>>19864026
Chinese egg and tomato stir fry
Spaghetti naporitan
Tom yum

[Anonymous No.19864047]

>>19864043
Damn I guess we should exclude all dishes with chilis also since those were brought from the America’s by European traders.

[Anonymous No.19864048]

>>19864026
Stir fried eggs with tomato.
Tomato kimchi.
Ham and tomato fried rice (huge classic if canto cuisine).
Any balado/sambal goreng dish.
Some siipyan (Burmese curries) use a considerable amount of tomato.
Shan green tomato stir fry (and while we're at it, Shan people also do a potato stir fry).
Jeow maklen (basically Lao salsa; 'mak' is prefix used in Lao in a similar way to berry as a suffix in English).
Karekare.
Ricarica.
Ayam masak tomato.
etc etc etc
Just off the top of my head

[Anonymous No.19864054]

>>19864009
Tomatoes originate from south america, its a rather long way over to asia.

Just not a vegetable they had access to for a very long time. It's been incorporated into a lot of dishes over the last century, thats what these anons are sharing, but you will be hard pressed to find any historic dishes with tomato in them.

[Anonymous No.19864057]

>>19864025
Best post of the thread so far.

[Anonymous No.19864063]

>>19864009
Because it's a fruit and is gross in main dishes/entrees.

[Anonymous No.19864065]

>>19864048
Oh, also that Viet soup with the tomatoes and carrots and beef brisket. It's so fucking good but idk the name. And they're crab and tomato soup. And Khmer sour chicken soup, somlor machu. I think since variants have tomato in it. And this is, of course, not too mention so the Indian, Sri Lankan, Bengali, Pakistani etc dishes with tomato because Mat Saleh don't consider them Asian lmao

[Anonymous No.19864071]

>>19864065
Fusion cuisine doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.19864079]

>>19864071
None of those or any of >>19864048 are fusions, Mat Saleh.

[Anonymous No.19864084]

>>19864079
None of those are tomato dishes either, anon

[Anonymous No.19864089]

aren't tomatoes from South America? if anything using tomatoes is a fusion dish then so is any cuisine that isn't Tupi or some shit

[Anonymous No.19864092]

>>19864089
This is correct.
Every Asian dish that uses tomato is either from this century or a fusion dish.

[Anonymous No.19864099]

>>19864092
If those dishes are fusion then so are every French and Italian dish that feature tomatoes or capsicum.

[Anonymous No.19864103]

>>19864084
>tomato and eggs isn't a tomato dish
>tomato kimchi isn't a tomato dish
>ham and tomato fried rice isn't a tomato dish
>green tomato stir fry isn't a tomato dish
>ayam masak tomato isn't a tomato dish
>jeow maklen, which literally means 'tomato dip' isn't a tomato dish
lmao
And ricarica has dozens of variations, itself being a variation of balado (which always has tomato). Many of these variants have tomato.

[Anonymous No.19864116]

>>19864092
>asia never ate tomato before y2k
lmao

[Anonymous No.19864306]

>>19864009
>Why doesn't Asian cuisine use an acidic nightshade berry that wasn't available to them until 300 years ago, is native to the other side of the globe, and was thought to be poisonous until 1820?

[Anonymous No.19864313]

>>19864009
>Why doesn't Asian cuisine use peppers?
That's what you sound like, OP

[Anonymous No.19864349]

>>19864306
>[tomato] was thought to be poisonous until 1820
lolno
Antonio Latini wrote a cookbook in the 1600s that included a "Spanish style" tomato sauce IE it dates to even earlier than his writing since he was just writing about how Spaniards cook it.
Why do people make these retarded fucking claims like hurrdurr ppl thot tuhmaterz wuz pozunuss!
Think about it: Spaniards encountered tomatoes through contact with (and conquest of) Mesoamerican natives in the 1500s. They would have seen natives eating them and known they weren't poisonous.

[Anonymous No.19864692]

>>19864092
By that standard any Asian dish that uses Chili peppers, peanuts, or potatoes is also a "fusion" dish. Or for that matter, any European dish using those ingredients as well.

[Anonymous No.19864715]

>>19864349
because the english thought they were until the 19th century and anglos have impacted relevant culture and therefore online discourse more than the spanish

[Anonymous No.19864735]

>>19864715
You must be tired. Such a little girl casting a goalpost so far, far away. The claim was that tomatoes were thought poisonous until 1820. That claim was wrong. The claim was not that a bunch of snaggletoothed inbreds who can't cook and are afraid of vegetables thought tomatoes were poisonous. And even then, that claim's wrong, too.

[Anonymous No.19864738]

>>19864735
isn't it your siesta time?

[Anonymous No.19864751]

>>19864738
Certainly yours. As said: you must be exhausted. How did you manage to carry those goalposts such a distance? Past 1758, when Hannah Glasse published the first known English language recipe containing tomato?
No matter how you slice it, ma'am, you're wrong. Just take the L.

[Anonymous No.19864789]

>>19864751
oh you're the anti-natalist guy from last night. how's things?

[Anonymous No.19864856]

>>19864789
wut
No. Yet another thing you're wrong about lmao
Link?

[Anonymous No.19865454]

>>19864009
Masses of south asian dishes have tomatoes in. It's a complete pain in the ass when your doctor's told you to not eat so many tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.19865478]

>>19864037
my dad did this growing up also added mushrooms was super fire. I doubt he learned it from a china men tho he was in the navy....

[Anonymous No.19865503]

>>19864026
Here's a recipe for Sichuan mala beef that has tomato in it.

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1021808-spicy-and-tingly-beef?=46

[Anonymous No.19865517]

>>19864009
They hate the tomate

[Anonymous No.19865522]

>>19864009
>Why doesn't Asian cuisine use tomatoes?
Vindaloos - hard to find a place that makes it WITHOUT freaking tomatoes. I prefer it without

[Anonymous No.19865535]

>>19864009
Her lips are blue
She should breathe more
I know I would

[Anonymous No.19865563]

>>19864037
top tier sloppa
my new favorite chinese restaurant has this

[Anonymous No.19865617]

>>19864009
I had some thai thing with tomatoes in it. With the thai basil and garlic, some bites had this weird Italiany overtone.
It was just kind of barely there, like the noodles were occasionally haunted by the ghost of mario.
Weirdest shit really

[Anonymous No.19865638]

>>19865522
OP is clearly using "Asian" in the American usage, to refer exclusively to Orientals, not the British usage where it includes Indians and Pakis.

[Anonymous No.19865690]

>>19865638
Kamala Harris is the first Asian American vice president.

[Anonymous No.19865781]

>>19864009
Asian cuisine is absolute shit

[Anonymous No.19865801]

>>19864009
tomatoes don't grow in asia. duh.

[Anonymous No.19865803]

>>19864009
It does though.

[Anonymous No.19865879]

>>19864047
i hate this fucking meme. europeans spent 400 years domesticating those plants.

[Anonymous No.19866050]

>>19865879
Yeah, which is why the places where they originated have literally thousands of varieties vs Europe's dozens lol
Compare that to, say, crucifers, which are native to the old world and have thousands of varieties throughout Eurasia compared to, like, three from the new world lmao

[Anonymous No.19866060]

>>19864009
>Why doesn't Asian cuisine use tomatoes?
Why don't places that don't have access to the ocean have fish in their cuisine?

>>19864054
Like this guy said

[Anonymous No.19866073]

>>19866060
Hungarian cuisine includes fish dishes.

[Anonymous No.19866080]

>>19864306
chili pepper is also from the nightshade family and asians use the shit out of that one

[Anonymous No.19866845]

>>19864009
ketchup originated in china.

[Anonymous No.19866852]

>>19864009
because they’re only good for ketchup

[Anonymous No.19867059]

>>19864306
>thought to be poisonous until 1820
Were did this retarded myth come from

[Anonymous No.19867072]

>>19866050
These thousands of varieties are as much a European influence on those places as it is a domestic development. Those shitholes didn't have half of dishes without european cooking utensils and methods that were introduced by colonizers. Also, entire national cuisines in Europe are built around new world foods, for example the Spanish one.

>>19866060
>Why don't places that don't have access to the ocean have fish in their cuisine?
What do you think freshwater fish is, anon?

[Anonymous No.19867078]

>>19867059
It was thought of as poisonous for several decades in the 16th century and the myth sporadically persisted for some time. It spread across Europe as a decorative plant first, rather than an edible one.

[Anonymous No.19867095]

>>19867078
>Europoors are fucking retarded
Makes sense

[Anonymous No.19867107]

confucius said tomato is gay and for bitches

[Anonymous No.19867139]

Same reason cast iron nerds don't use tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.19867179]

>>19867078
False.

[Anonymous No.19867183]

>>19867072
>These thousands of varieties are as much a European influence on those places as it is a domestic development.
Prove it.
>Those shitholes didn't have half of dishes without european cooking utensils and methods that were introduced by colonizers.
Prove it.
>Also, entire national cuisines in Europe are built around new world foods, for example the Spanish one.
No shit.

[Anonymous No.19867188]

>>19867183
Prove there was anything beyond mud cakes and baked human sacrifices in your god forsaken shithole before White Man came and brought civilization to it.

[Anonymous No.19867217]

>>19867188
Nigga, I'm from Italy.
I'm just pointing out that you made a claim and ain't do shit to back it up (because you can't).
And besides: you're setting up a false equivalence. No one claimed they weren't eating mud cakes and weren't baking human sacrifices so no one has any need to prove otherwise. You made the claim. You need to back it up.
I claimed Italians were eating tomatoes in the 1600s and backed it up. I made the claim that the British were reading tomatoes before the1750s and backed it up. That's all I'm telling you to do: back that shit up.

[Anonymous No.19867228]

>>19867217
how can i prove aborginals had no food variety besides pointing out that all they could have is open fire, pots and an oven?
>I claimed Italians were eating tomatoes in the 1600s and backed it up. I made the claim that the British were reading tomatoes before the1750s and backed it up.
you're not wrong and i didn't dispute that, though

[Anonymous No.19867246]

>>19867228
I didn't necessarily think you did dispute those, I just used it as an example of claim+evidence.

[Anonymous No.19867279]

>>19864026
Guizhou food uses tomatoes and stuff like fermeneted tomato paste as a common ingredient. The red fish sour soup is tomato based. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WNoM97WIt4

[Anonymous No.19867286]

>>19867228
>how can i prove aborginals had no food variety besides pointing out that all they could have is open fire, pots and an oven?
Forgot to address this part.
You can't prove it because it's false. The Inca and modern-day Quechua have been eating potatoes for over 10000 years and cultivating them through farming/agriculture and developing varietals for 7000 years. This is why they already had thousands of varieties before the exchange, some suited to some areas, others suited to others, some made for baking, some for boiling and some for freeze-drying. It's not an exaggeration to say that the Inca developed an empire and culture rivaling that of the AfroEurasian ancient world and that this culture was built almost exclusively on potato in the same way the ancient world developed its empires on grain (and developed similar myriad varieties and usages as the Inca and potatoes).
And touching on the bit on "baking" human sacrifices, the Inca used coca leaves to as an analgesic or local numbing agent in much the same way novacaine is used today. Sacrifices were numbed before being struck unconscious by a blow to the head and allowed to die of exposure to the Andean cold. The process is almost literally the opposite of "baking." We know this from examination of the huge number of freeze dried mummified corpses found throughout the region.
Sacrifices were also treated extremely well beforehand. Not much of a consolation, IMO

[Anonymous No.19867526]

>>19864009
>what is egg and tomato
>>19864037
this, cheap, easy to make, and tasty

[Anonymous No.19867536]

>>19864009
They're not native to Asia. Do you think cooking is developed in a vacuum?

[Anonymous No.19867557]

>>19865478
sorry about your gay dad

[Anonymous No.19867659]

>>19864009
Why did post Tiffy? What does tiffy have to do with tomato. Is there tiffy tomato clip I haven't seen?

[Anonymous No.19867720]

>>19867659
he's a racist fuck

[Anonymous No.19867839]

>>19864043
All food is fusion food nimrod
Humans have been trading globally for hundreds of years. Potatoes, strawberries, garlic, peppers all were regional and now you find them everywhere.
Its
all
fusion
food

[Anonymous No.19867899]

>>19864054
so do chili peppers, fucking retard

[Anonymous No.19867917]

Why didn't the East Asian countries discover America?

[Anonymous No.19867923]

>>19867917
Exposure to invasion by nomadic steppe peoples encouraged the formation of large empires, which entrenched themselves with complex bureaucracy, encouraging stagnation

[Anonymous No.19867925]

>>19867917
I vaguely remember a fiction book where the Aztecs' need for human sacrifices had them cross the Atlantic to capture Europeans
Probably happened in a different timeline

[Anonymous No.19868261]

>>19867659
who is Tiffy?

[Anonymous No.19869490]

>>19868261
>Hey, it's Tiffy. You're talking to Raw Time
>Hueh hueh hueh Hey bitch you wanna suck my ram rod?
>Your ram rod? *click* next caller. Raw time.
>SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING SKANK
>*click* next caller. Raw time.

[Anonymous No.19870592]

>>19864009
>why don't asians, who did not have access to tomatoes for thousands of years, not use tomatoes for thousands of years?
gee