CICO proven right again

[Anonymous No.19742357]

The guy ate McDonalds for 100 days and still lost weight,

CICO proven right again lmao

youtube grifters, ketolards and other low iq retards on suciide watch lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bsse_7YP28

[Anonymous No.19742364]

Anyone with half a brain knows CICO works. It's the fatties that can't help but eat 3000 kcal in a sitting that have convinced themselves otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19742368]

>>19742364
but what's even more interesting is all his health markers improved despite eating only fast food and very little veggies/micronutrients in general

[Anonymous No.19742394]

>>19742368
bein fat is the worst thing you can do to your body

[Anonymous No.19742410]

CICO must sound like some real genius shit if you're the average fastfood addicted american slob otherwise why are smoothbrains always so obnoxiously belligerent about it, it's like you finally found a "scientific" justification for making loud gagging noises at the sight of a vegetable and are beside yourselves with smug fatty joy

[Anonymous No.19742417]

>>19742368
Fast food isn't the genetically engineered monstrosity it's made out to be. You've just bought into the organic food conspiracy

[Anonymous No.19742460]

>>19742410
Would. Fat chicks like that have the absolute wettest pussy ever, sounds like you're pulling rainboots out the mud

[Anonymous No.19742462]

>>19742460
if you're trying to make me gay, it worked

[Anonymous No.19742515]

>>19742368
Depends on what fast food you're eating, if you're just eating nuggs and fries then yeah you're gonna die of scurvy or some shit but if you mix it up a little bit you're good

[Anonymous No.19742524]

>>19742364
The issue is you don't know your calories out. Obviously eating less will make you lose weight, but don't act like the human body is understood in any real depth.

[Anonymous No.19742525]

>>19742368
Your body is capable of synthesising most of the things it needs from other things. Whether this is an effective way of using extra energy is a question I don't know the answer to.

[Anonymous No.19742534]

Shill thread is a shill thread

[Anonymous No.19742664]

>>19742525
>>19742515
>>19742417
>>19742394
>>19742368
Weight loss improves health markers regardless of diet

[Anonymous No.19742722]

>>19742410
I still don't understand how this subhumans could hate everything green so much
literal overgrown children basing their existence off cartoon clips

give the piggies a medley sauted in a bit of butter and olive oil with garlic and shallots

[Anonymous No.19742745]

>>19742410
Understanding CICO gives you more reason to eat vegetables, not less. You can eat a massive volume of vegetables while still staying within a small calorie budget, which makes it easier to stick to a diet.

[Anonymous No.19742749]

>>19742460
>wettest pussy
I don't want to think about grilled cheese during sex.

[Anonymous No.19742788]

>>19742524
>don't act like the human body is understood in any real depth
Oh yeah, it's not as if it's the single most extensively studied thing in the universe or anything like that. Just a black box of mystery and magic.

[Anonymous No.19742793]

>>19742357
Don't supermodels literally binge smoke cigarettes and stay healthy?

[Anonymous No.19742799]

>>19742357
>fat Carson Daly saying "there's no way that could work"
kek'd

[Anonymous No.19742813]

>>19742357
Only a man can do this diet though. I'm a 5ft female, I would have to cut 1 mcdonald's meal into 3 and skip the soda to lose weight like this.

[Anonymous No.19742814]

>>19742788
Despite that you could say we dont really understand it deeply. We barely even understand a hydrogen atom which is one of the simplest things in the universe. Dorm room stoner talk aside I agree that cico is both true in the pedantic sense and an effective starting framework for understanding nutrition and controlling one's weight.

[Anonymous No.19742817]

>>19742814
isn't cico based on thermodynamics?

[Anonymous No.19742820]

>>19742817
Yes. But you excrete some calories and your body temperature can be altered by changes in diet etc etc so people say it's bunk. But its true in the pedantic sense.

[Anonymous No.19742830]

Losing weight with fast food turns you into a pedo

[Anonymous No.19742877]

>>19742817
Well, kind of. Food consumption isn’t like a bomb calorimeter. The calorie uptake can change significantly based on the state of the GI system. However don’t take this as me supporting obscurantist ‘fat activists’, all well-conducted studies unequivocally show that the group of people who gain the most calories from their food are actually on average thin people.

[Anonymous No.19742882]

>>19742357
Who denies calories in, calories out other than fatties?

[Anonymous No.19742886]

>>19742460
That wetness is probably from a yeast infection

[Anonymous No.19742912]

>>19742814
>We barely even understand a hydrogen atom which is one of the simplest things in the universe.
I can get into stoner talk but man, here's a whole-ass chapter on the mechanics of a hydrogen atom: https://faculty.washington.edu/seattle/physics227/reading/reading-26-27.pdf
I feel like this is getting into the philosophical semantics of "understanding". When we have complete description of a hydrogen atom and how it will evolve in a given system, if the issue is that we still don't have an answer as to what's underlying _that_, then you can ask that question forever and it's impossible to ever "actually understand" something.

[Anonymous No.19742921]

>>19742877
>Food consumption isn’t like a bomb calorimeter.
The angry ghost of Wilbur Olin Atwater is going to swooce through your wall tonight, seal you in an air tight chamber and force feed you a variety of early to mid century diets while measuring your shits until you repent for repeating this.

[Anonymous No.19742929]

>>19742912
This is like saying you understand gravity because you saw something fall

[Anonymous No.19742965]

>>19742929
Precisely what sort of understanding are you expecting? A sign at the bottom of the universe that says "I did it for the lulz"?

[Anonymous No.19743511]

>>19742357
CICO is not a diet. It's a biological principle that works in tandem with all diets. You people that keep acting like it's either CICO or (insert diet here) are complete idiots that clearly don't even know how a calorie works.

[Anonymous No.19743514]

>>19742460
>Fat chicks like that have the absolute wettest pussy ever,
That's sweat, anon. What's wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.19743558]

>>19742912
Tangent time. What i meant specifically by that is, add 1 extra electron or 1 extra proton somewhere and suddenly now the schrodinger equation cannot be solved analytically. You have to use a computer to get a numerical solution. Try to simulate the behavior of anything meaningful, like a couple molecular bonds, now it's wayyy too computationally intensive for current supercomputers and you have to introduce major approximations. And even if the computer gave an accurate answer, humans would still be lucky to find some generalizable insight from it. Now think about trying to understand something like atp synthesis at the most fundamental level...

[Anonymous No.19743572]

>>19743511
The point is that people that are using meme diets are fooling themselves with pointless complications and superstitions when all they have to do is count calories. As you said CICO is not a diet, that's why it makes all the specialty diets obsolete and replace it with the simplest diet of all : eat less, move more.

[Anonymous No.19743585]

>>19742912
We don't even know if the proton's nucleus is well described or not by the quark gluon model

[Anonymous No.19743587]

>>19742357
damn, the inviolable laws of thermodynamics proven true again?

[Anonymous No.19743625]

>>19743558
That's true, and to be fair I'm the one that brought up wave integrals, but I don't think the technical constraint denies understanding. We can't enumerate every possible deck of cards but we still understand the properties of poker. We still have the indiscernability of particles and the disproof of hidden variables, there's nowhere for ATP synthesis to hide an ace.
>>19743585
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.19743774]

>>19742357
>The guy ate McDonalds for 100 days and still lost weight,
this is some miracle to you? wtf
you shouldn't visit 4channel if you're below 18 years of age

[Anonymous No.19743783]

>>19742410
She could stand to lose most of her weight. Or sit, I don't know if her knees could stand it.

[Anonymous No.19743797]

>>19743625
The path integrals are so stupid complicated for the proton nucleus that people just use a basic approximation that apparently fails to describe excited states of it. I think there was actually about it on Quanta a few month ago, where they interviewed the team that did the experiments that showed how the excited nucleus had statistically significantly different mass and other properties than what the approximate model predicted.

[Anonymous No.19743866]

>>19743797
Wait, this? https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.108.014507
We're way off in the weeds now but holy shit I missed that.

[Anonymous No.19743891]

>>19743866
Not sure, those seem like latice QCD numerical simulations, whereas I think the other thing was a laboratorial result. But I only read the first and last sentence of that abstract

[Anonymous No.19743924]

>>19742357
>CICO proven right again lmao
Anyone who ever said otherwise was dumb. That said there are legitimately other factors that can affect ease of weight loss. However anyone who claims you cant lose weigh by cutting calories is wrong.

>>19742524
>The issue is you don't know your calories out.
Not a real problem, If you are not losing weight (and you intend to) then you just need to cut back until your are. You will probably need to keep checking your weight and readjusting your diet. The morbidly obese will probably need to cut their diet back repeatedly if they are going to get all the way to a healthy weight.

[Anonymous No.19744162]

>>19742524
The issue is you don't know your calories out
You can calculate your calories in extremely accurately and you can get your TDEE extremely accurate too. The discrepency between CICO can be so small that it is negligible in real life and averages out on a long enough timeline.
>but don't act like the human body is understood in any real depth.
This is not an argument and anyone who ever says this is retarded

[Anonymous No.19745105]

He probably could've lost more weight on an equal amount of calories that isn't poisoning you as you eat it.

[Anonymous No.19745125]

>>19742524
If you're fat enough that counting calories is a real issue for you, you should simply underestimate your activity levels unless you've done some actual vigorous cardiovascular exercise like running or cycling. Fatties try to give themselves a free pass to eat a burger because they "estimate" that they walked 8km in their office job. Just underestimate your daily steps and the intensity that you do exercise and you'll lose weight.

[Anonymous No.19745293]

>>19742410
It's a serious issue.

[Anonymous No.19745606]

>>19742357
>>19742364
What exactly is CICO?

[Anonymous No.19745768]

>>19745606
It's just the statement that if you burn more calories than you take in you'll lose weight.

[Anonymous No.19747054]

I think CICO can work for people trying to achieve fat loss, but for normal people there's no reason to. It's easy as fuck to not gain weight and remain healthy without measuring a single thing.

[Anonymous No.19747067]

Also CICO isn't a hard science, it's just the most widely accepted tool. For example, water has no calories but has the largest effect on your weight and can rapidly change it.

[Anonymous No.19747075]

>>19745606
It's a diet fad for gymbros. They think that the human body is a simple thermodynamic system, like an automobile, for example. Gas goes in, kinetic energy and exhaust comes out. Food goes in, fat goes in. Less food goes in, fat goes out. It has the appearance of science, while having zero predictive power. In other words, it's pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.19747077]

>>19742410
Gross. Don't post that shit when I'm eating.

[Anonymous No.19747088]

>>19745606
Cock In Cock Out

[Anonymous No.19747299]

>>19747075
Pedal goes down, speed goes up.
PDSU

[Anonymous No.19747617]

>>19747075

[Anonymous No.19748466]

>>19747075
>ketotards think that the human body is a magical vessel that transcends the laws of thermodynamics
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.19748518]

>>19748466
I think the main point of a ketosis is that a non carb based source of calories changes the process of metabolism and the hormones regulating blood sugar, satiation.

[Anonymous No.19748540]

>>19742357

CICO is correct. However, the thermodynamics of human metabolism are slightly more complex than apps like MyFitnessPal imply with their food intake - calories burned buttons. Doubly-labeled water studies have shown that increasing exercise does not linearly increase TDEE, because the body adapts to increased exercise by reducing NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis). So people think they can eat 200 more kcals a day because they're doing more cardio or whatever, when really over the medium and long term their TDEE actually won't be that different from a low-exercise TDEE at the same weight and body composition. Ofc if you put on muscle that will increase your TDEE over time, but again not in the simple arithmetical way CICO calculators online etc imply.

[Anonymous No.19748560]

>>19747617
>>19748466
how did a discussion about CICO turn into keto? you guys are schizo. guy said nothing about keto

[Anonymous No.19749268]

>>19748518
So? It doesnt change cico

[Anonymous No.19749485]

>>19742357
I've lost 100 lbs.
CICO is absolutely the basis for a good diet, but not really "enough".

The biggest issue is that, for weight loss, how you feel is vital. If you eat junk food, you are gonna feel hungry and shitty.
There's also the issue of "calories out".

A meal high in refined carbs and low in protein will take less energy for your body to digest. So by eating stuff like vegetables, whole grains, lean meats, eggs, etc you actually burn MORE calories digesting the food.

Finally there is the issue of what mass you are losing. Starving yourself on empty calories and not exercising is liable to lead to some significant muscle loss. And there's nothng "fit" about being a low weight and still fat.

[Anonymous No.19749501]

>>19749268
You end doing both on keto because it's boring AF
t.did keto to fix a gut flora problem not to lose weight but I did lose weight and had to regain it afterward

[Anonymous No.19749902]

>>19742357
>goyslop media parroting chinkslop propaganda all in solidarity for globalist corporiations to reinforce the demon of babylon's talking points.


he drank water instead of soda. calories in, calories out is a meme. It's the hfcs and other sweeteners that fuck your metabolism and force your body to store fat. The fuck is throwing rhymes at you because they think you are stupid like a child.

[Alotta Questions No.19749910]

>>19742357
Um curious. Know I could just Google it but can anyone give me a quick rundown and a few tips for CICO? Foid looking for weight loss tips

[Alotta Questions No.19749914]

>>19742357
Also, is this supposed to be like a “Look, VShred is right,” moment? I thought he was a grifter as well?
P.S. I should’ve mentioned I’m looking for MAJOR BUT RELIABLE AND LONG TERM weight loss

[Anonymous No.19749921]

>>19745293
I'm glad to see she made a full recovery.

[Anonymous No.19749950]

>>19749910
>>>/fit/72366623

[Anonymous No.19750057]

>>19742524
Don't need it to be very precise desu, especially just for simple, no rush weight loss.

[Anonymous No.19750063]

>>19742882
That one keto anon on /fit/ and /fat/ general. Or he used to, not sure if he fucked off or not.

[Anonymous No.19750169]

>>19742460
>Fat chicks like that have the absolute wettest pussy ever
it's because they can't clean themselves very well.

[Anonymous No.19750468]

>>19750063
You're referring to the ketoschizo

[Anonymous No.19750487]

>>19742357
Who ever said CICO didn't work? It's just consuming fewer calories than you burn. That's literally every diet that works.

[Anonymous No.19750967]

>>19750487
Ketolards

[Anonymous No.19751006]

>>19742410
god I want to rub her bloated belly while fucking her raw from behind
>>19742460
based

[Anonymous No.19751014]

>>19747088
that just sounds like the /fit/ slogan

[Anonymous No.19751505]

>>19749501
Ok? Nothing I said is wrong

[Anonymous No.19751584]

>>19742364
Fat retards think they defy the laws of thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.19751597]

>>19742793
Define healthy.

[Anonymous No.19751704]

>>19750487
People get super mad that a four word rule of thumb doesn't account for every possible metabolic and nutritional issue.

[Anonymous No.19751822]

>>19747067
Water only impacts your weight for a span of ~3 days max. It impacts your weight in the sense that there's more water inside you after drinking but before peeing. It doesn't result in any amount of fat.

[Anonymous No.19751908]

>>19751822
>Water only impacts your weight for a span of ~3 days max
Do you think that by drinking a glass of water you now weigh 1 pound more for 3 days

[Anonymous No.19752014]

>>19751908
Probably talking about "water weight" from glycogen. I feel thats a misleading term for this here reason.

[Anonymous No.19752025]

>>19752014
Probably not because it still doesnt make sense in that context

[Anonymous No.19752032]

>>19742357
>CICO
sure it works for weight loss but if you're eating like shit you're still going to have heart, blood pressure issues
and IU've known people that eat healthy but still eat way too much so they don't lose weight but they don't have all the typical fat people problems

[Anonymous No.19752038]

>>19752032
*eat healthily
Retard.

[Anonymous No.19753832]

>>19742745
you actually think the average CICO cultist would eat a vegetable unless you put a gun to their head?

[Anonymous No.19754218]

>>19751704
people get mad because its essentially a corporate cop out.

>no, all the poison we put into food isnt OUR fault, its YOUR fault for eatting too much of it

they created CICO and all the memes around it so they dont have to change their practices or pay what they owe to society for intentionally sabotaging the food supply. Its no different from someone parroting pro-ciggertette talking points.

>see, you can smoke a pack a day and not get cancer! It's just oxygen in, oxygen out. As long as you live an active life style, the smoke wont really hurt you. Take responsibility for yourself, stop blaming others for your problems! With us here on the Today Now Show, Boomer McGoodgoy, the healthist chain smoker you've ever met! Tune in and find out his secret to healthy living with ciggerettes!

[Anonymous No.19754299]

>>19749268
>So? It doesnt change cico
A ketogenic diet uses fat less efficiently which consumes more potential caloric energy from food and body fat.
It's a bit like making diesel from oil and making it from coal. The energy consumed by the engine is the same but the steps taken to get to diesel uses more energy when using coal as the feed stock.

[Anonymous No.19754304]

>>19742410
is this even english

[Anonymous No.19754307]

>>19752038
His statement is not incorrect, little Matthew Shepard.

[Anonymous No.19754463]

>>19754299
Yeah this has been disproven si

[Anonymous No.19754557]

>>19742368
It's not that interesting when you think about it because it basically boils down to how what you eat isn't as important as how much you eat. You can eat your BMR in butter or you can eat it in hamburgers and neither one is inherently worse than the other for weight loss aside.

[Anonymous No.19754653]

>CICO is real guys\
who posts shit like this

[Anonymous No.19754990]

is it "syso" or "kaiko"

[Anonymous No.19755022]

>>19742357
>short term weight loss proof
you didn't prove shit

[Anonymous No.19755031]

CICO pretty much equals malnutrition because its practitioners are slop addicts
>HEHE I AM SURE TO LOSE WEIGHT I ONLY HAD A MEDIUM SOY LATTE WITH FIVE SPOONS EXTRA SUGAR TODAY
>dies from carboschizophrenia

[Anonymous No.19755060]

>>19754990
seeko

[Anonymous No.19755075]

>>19755031
I don't think that's true.

[Anonymous No.19755083]

>>19754218
Ah yes, Lulu Hunt Peters, famed corporate food propagandist. You're not even wrong about the general point but at least point the finger properly and F- try again with that analogy, that didn't even slightly work dude.

[Anonymous No.19755201]

>>19755083
nta but it was a perfectly good analogy, 4chan doesn’t seem to grasp the concept of analogies perhaps due to autism

[Anonymous No.19755338]

>>19755201
It's really not, it's just inventing shit to cast the aspersions they want to cast on CICO but madlibbing it to a different industry. Analogies clarify things by referring so something that you can actually extrapolate from.

[Anonymous No.19755445]

>>19742814
I can't stand people like you. Just because we don't know everything about a subject, doesn't mean we don't know anything. There will always be more to learn, but that doesn't negate the knowledge we have. Stop pretending like you're some kind of intellectual because in reality you're just a dishonest pseud.

[Anonymous No.19756281]

CICO is a lie. My body just gets more soft and tubby, the buttery muffin top on my waist continually melting outwards. But I run 5 to 8 miles a week and lift weights twice a week plus only eat 3 meals a day that vary between 400 to 800 calories. So let's say I did 400 breakfast, 800 lunch and dinner. That's a flat 2k in. That's worst case. Worst case I should be at maintenance 2k in 2k out as an adult male. But i just keep getting fatter.

Just kidding, I'm actually getting fat because I also drink 400 to 800 calories of beer and eat 200 to 600 calories of sweets/snacks on top of the above meals. How do I stop drinking bros

[Anonymous No.19756361]

>>19755083
Oh, MY BAD. corporations PROMOTED a shitty idea to take flack off themselves. thats a HUGE DIFFERENCE between making the idea themselves and simply artifically making it popular/accepted and that HUGE DIFFERENCE must now derail the conversation because you, being the shining bastion of truth and justice, are a stickler for the facts! Information in, information out!

[Anonymous No.19756377]

>>19742921
That sounds sorta hot

[Anonymous No.19756434]

>>19756361
>The heckin' corporations didn't tell me I'd get fat if I ate 15 BigMacs a day while limiting my exercise to masturbating to drawings of 1400 year old demon lolis and children's section of clothing catalogs. It's not my fault~!
>t.

[Anonymous No.19756436]

>>19756281
just think of drinking as calories and factor it into your daily required kcal. how do you think anorexic women still drink their tequilas and white claws?

[Anonymous No.19756712]

>>19756361
Yes, describing observable reality instead of an obvious boogeyman generally makes your information better received.

[Anonymous No.19756732]

>>19756436
Yeah, yeah I know. If you do that, then you'll realize the drinking has to go because reducing the actual food you eat to accommodate for the alcohol calories is a very quick path to serious health problems. There is no room for alcohol in a weight loss diet. I know this, but lack the power to act correctly.

[Anonymous No.19757352]

Bump to trigger the ketoredditors

[Anonymous No.19757461]

>>19742357
CICO is correct. It is also correct that CICO is easier to maintain on keto or when fasting.

[Anonymous No.19757489]

>>19745606
It is essentially the first law of thermodynamics. That fat comes from somewhere, it represents energy which itself cannot be created or destroyed. You can use the energy to fuel a system engaging in work. If you're gaining weight, you're consuming excess calories relative to your caloric expenditure. Either do more work or eat less calories.

[Anonymous No.19757521]

>>19757352
I'm on board with this bump

[Anonymous No.19757541]

>>19757521
Why would someone eating keto be triggered by CICO?

[Anonymous No.19757724]

>>19742410
It's just common sense

[Anonymous No.19758540]

Why do retards think CICO = eat nothing but junk food? CICO is literacy just Newton's laws. Saying CICO is a myth is like saying gravity is a myth. If you want to lose weight (from fat anyway) you need to be in a deficit, but you should still be eating healthy food.

[Anonymous No.19759035]

>>19758540
because it started getting pushed around the time people started talking about how agro giants fucked up the food supply by putting lines in grade school health classes like "kellogg's frosted flakes are the foundation of the food pyramid"

almost nobody except a few internet kooks ever suggested that calorie counting is irrelevant yet all of a sudden this pivot to "bro literally all that matters is how many calories if you disagree it means you hate gravity!!", it's natural to be suspicious when there's a sudden urgent need to change the subject whenever people ask why it's cheaper to buy a 2 liter bottle of corn syrup than it is to buy a 20 oz bottle of water

as a side note, as anyone who paid attention in science class knows (assuming not home schooled) newton's laws are objectively wrong, so have fun with that one :-)

[Anonymous No.19759200]

>>19759035
Found the keto redditor

[Anonymous No.19759263]

>>19759200
I haven't eaten meat in 2 weeks fatty mcfatfuck

[Anonymous No.19759648]

>>19747075
>They think that the human body is a simple thermodynamic system, like an automobile
The energy consumption of an automobile is not directly related to its output. You could sit in a driveway and rev until the tank is empty, or you could do 70mph on a motorway. The human body is similar in that you can burn energy while doing nothing, or burn energy efficiently.

[Anonymous No.19759651]

The issue with spewing "muh CICO muhfugga" is it ignores that hormones exist and do important jobs in the human body. Here's an example:

Say we have two identical twins. Exact same body composition, put onto the exact same weightlifting diet with the exact same diet. Everything about their training program is exactly the same, except one is given anabolic steroids.

Why does the one on steroids get bigger? CICO? Their inputs were the same!

[Anonymous No.19759666]

>>19759651
they would weigh the same one would just have more muscle mass, very amusing how you reddit spacers try to summon every ounce of intellect but end up looking like a dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.19759672]

>>19759666
>they would weigh the same one would just have more muscle mass
And muscle burns more than fat, no? So the one on steroids would eventually weigh less despite their CICO being the same?

[Anonymous No.19759676]

>>19759672
what the fuck am i reading

[Anonymous No.19759682]

>>19759676
I'm trying to show you that you don't know the caloric "output" of the human body by using the example of steroids. Two identical people on the same diet and same training program won't have the same result if one is on steroids. If you disagree you're just fucking wrong and need to re-evaluate your stance.

[Anonymous No.19759683]

>>19759682
you're the idiot with the misconception that muscle burns more than fat

[Anonymous No.19759684]

>>19759682
realistically the differences in metabolism/hormones make a marginal difference. it's just a matter of adjusting a couple of hundred calories at most, not an excuse

[Anonymous No.19759688]

>>19758540
>Why do retards think CICO = eat nothing but junk food? CICO is literacy just Newton's laws. Saying CICO is a myth is like saying gravity is a myth. If you want to lose weight (from fat anyway) you need to be in a deficit, but you should still be eating healthy food.

The point of the video posted was that there is no good or bad food or healthy and healthy food when it comes to fat loss; it's all about portions.

Besides if you ask 5 people what healthy food is you will get 5 different variations. There is definite answer, even in scientific circles, on what 'healthy food' even is.

[Anonymous No.19759696]

>>19752032
>sure it works for weight loss but if you're eating like shit you're still going to have heart, blood pressure issues
Did you even watch the video you fucking retard?

The whole poitn was that the guy in the video NOT ONLY LOST WIEGHTbut HIS HEALTH MARKERS IMPROVED.

Meaning he has better blood pressure, better working heart etc.

And he ate nothing but McDonalds. Stop categorizing food as good or bad. You heart won't be magically healhier if you eat salad over a burger. Portion and calories are everything. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.19759700]

>>19759651
>the one on steroids gets bigger
>>19759672
>the one on steroids would weigh less
nice one chud

[Anonymous No.19759703]

>>19759688
>There is no definite answer, even in scientific circles, on what 'healthy food' even is.
at its most basic form, a high nutrient/energy ratio. but overeating anything makes it unhealthy
peanut butter is an essential food fed to starving children in africa

[Anonymous No.19759719]

>>19759703
>at its most basic form, a high nutrient/energy ratio. but overeating anything makes it unhealthy
again, too vague.

If you ask keto scientist they will tell you that only meat, eggs butter and lard are healthy.

If you ask vegan scientists they will tell you animal products are bad.

Others will tell balanced diet is he best; others mediterranean diet; others paleo diet.

Ray peat sugars + proteins (avoiding PUFA) etc.

What is even more funny is there are good arguments for every of the 'diets' listed here. There is no clear consensus.

[Anonymous No.19759744]

>>19756732
Self control is like a muscle, you have to use it to make a gain. Set small, achievable self control goals (for example, saying ‘I’m not going to drink for fifteen minutes’ after you get the urge to drink) and keep increasing the times. If you. Additionally realize the times when you typically drink - probably when you are unhappy, stressed, tired, etc. and orient your coping strategies around specific habit changes (‘In situations like these I am often tempted to drink, so I’ll go read a book outside for a while.’) Eventually it will become a habit, you’ll break out of drinking, and will be mentally stronger.

[Anonymous No.19759911]

>>19757489
Umm did you forget about matabolism retard? I eat half an apple and a can of tuna and I get fat. My body won't let me lose weight.

[Anonymous No.19759923]

>>19759688
>science doesn't know about my snickers and reeses diet
plebs lol, I eat like a king and lose tons of weight.

[Anonymous No.19759981]

>>19759911
The fucking irony of that statement

[Anonymous No.19760034]

>>19759981
Some people have medical conditions and it is almost impossible for them to lose weight even when they eat a healthy diet.

[Anonymous No.19760202]

>>19742357
Of course it works. I lost 80 pounds while stuffing my face with the most unhealthy shit. Doesnt mean its healthy but it was the only thing that worked for me. I couldn't endure other diets. In the end I think it's always healthier to be at a normal weight.

[Anonymous No.19760317]

>>19743511
The idea is that you're eating to lose weight as in stop looking fat, and calories are the main measurement in this solution.

[Anonymous No.19760322]

>>19759911
lol, lmao

[Anonymous No.19760341]

>>19759683
It actually does lol.. ~6 calories per day to maintain a pound of muscle vs ~2 for fat. (Though thats if youre in a coma and a bigger factor would be that heavier people are going to do more work just walking around regardless of body composition.)

[Anonymous No.19760977]

>>19759719
>keto scientist
Oxymoron, kek. Keto is the dumbest thing magazine tabloids have thunk up in the last 100 years. Same diet, rebranded, over and over again.
>CARBS LE BAD!
Meanwhile people are going bald from lack of carbs and getting kidney failure from stuffing down lard and bacon.

I will not do the hairloss meme fad tiktok diet. Shalome rabbi.

[Anonymous No.19761600]

So apparently CICOtards are so brainrotted by their cult that they think the alternative to only eating twinkies and coca cola is to eat nothing but raw meat? No wonder health care spending in america is like the entire GDP of the EU

[Anonymous No.19761604]

>>19759672
>despite their CICO being the same
Their CO wouldn't be the same then, would it, you retard?

[Anonymous No.19761614]

>>19761604
that's exactly why it's a dumb thing to even mention
it's like saying "losing weight is accomplished by burning more fat than you store."
to lose weight, simply reduce the mass on your body
no shit, retard. that doesn't mean people cant discuss various strategies. what benefit is there to stating the obvious?

[Anonymous No.19761626]

>>19761614
see >>19759684
diets and strategies are a scam. neurotic fucking mutts trying 1000 different fads to take the easy way out. count your calories andor eat balanced, normal fucking food cooked from scratch
since you lack culture and are rootless and will interpret the above as making mayonnaise "salads" , maybe pick up an european recipe book or browse https://cooking.nytimes.com/ which i know is decent

[Anonymous No.19761630]

>>19761626
impressive. you nailed putting that round block in the round hole.
i'm proud of you, bro

[Anonymous No.19761635]

>>19761614
>what benefit is there to stating the obvious?
You haven't dealt with people who sincerely think the amount of food they eat isn't the reason they aren't losing weight.
I've literally had people tell me to my face that they eat a normal amount, or even some schpiel about a yogurt and fruit for breakfast and then a dinner with no snacks, but because of the medications they take they absorb more weight from the food, and because of their old age their metabolism is slower so they spend significantly less calories.
The obvious needs to be stated because these people are fucking retarded when it comes to the fundamental laws of the thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.19761647]

>>19761635
no I have encountered plenty of people who are full of dumb excuses. like 99.999% of people would fall under the category of being able to lose weight by just consuming less or burning more, or both (realistically by eating less mostly)
they probably do have wacky hormones going on (particularly *from* being a lardass), but they'd correct themselves after a while. it's just hard at first, like quitting any addiction.
but none of them claim to be breaking the rules of thermodynamics, or that anyone else is. they think their bodies are different with regard to calories out, hunger triggers, etc. which is probably true to a degree (due to their own fault), but it's also not permanent

you're right (obviously) about what would work (eat less), but you ruin it by bringing laws of thermodynamics in, because nobody is claiming that the calories are literally disappearing or spontaneously manifesting.

[Anonymous No.19761665]

>>19761630
people need to hear that, and you don't seem to be entirely on the same page about Calories Out. sounded like you were doing the metabolism hormone cope to justify trying different diets
>>19761647
and that proves it.
>they think their bodies are different with regard to calories out, hunger triggers, etc. which is probably true to a degree (due to their own fault) but it's also not permanent
it literally doesn't make a significant difference. HuNGer TriGgErS is plainly not an excuse. not being able to control their hunger IS why they are a LARDASS. newsflash: hunger is totally normal and they won't die from it. this obsession with snacking is absurd. hunger is great and clears my mind
they just need to cut calories until they start losing weight for fucks sake
side note: this disassociation between oneself and the body is what atheism does to a mf. speaking about "my brain", "my body" in that way is absurd and lessens control over oneself. assumes some sort of "silly goofy stupid process" of "muh body" is working against your will. YOU, your body, your brain is the exact same thing
/unhinged rant over
GAYTG

[Anonymous No.19761701]

>>19761665
i'm not on a different page about calories out, except in clearly different cases like if someone is on high doses of testosterone or something like that, or rare exceptions

i didn't say it's a good excuse, i said it's harder for an addict at first. quitting drinking is harder for an alcoholic than someone who drinks occasionally. i can also embrace my hunger. i know it's true. it does have a good meditative quality to it.
everything you said there is more convincing and relevant than thermodynamics, that's what i'm saying. because nobody is claiming energy is being created or destroyed

[Anonymous No.19761744]

ITT: Thin people who never dieted a day in their life are weight loss experts.

[Anonymous No.19761867]

>>19761614
The benefit is if your iq is below 75, all that complicated stuff sounds like a jewish trick, and “CICO” is reassuringly simple enough for their microbrains to comprehend without getting confused aka angry

[Anonymous No.19762281]

>>19761867
Retarded ketolard, you type like a redditor

[Anonymous No.19763163]

Bump

[Anonymous No.19763242]

>>19761744
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.19763285]

>>19763242
>>19762281
CICOtards getting desperate

[Anonymous No.19763348]

>>19758540
>CICO is literacy just Newton's laws.
And JUST LIKE THAT, everyone is going to ignore the abject retard.
Do you even KNOW what Newton's 3rd law is?
Hint: If you push something hard enough, it WILL fall over.

[Anonymous No.19763363]

>>19759648
While this is true, try putting oil in the gas tank, and glycerine in the crankcase...
oil is caloric energy, and glycerine IS alubricant, sooo...
I'd just like to have everyone lower their guns for a moment and reflect on the fact, that right now, ITT is one of the FEW actual old-style 4chins discussions anywhere to be found here...
let that sink in...
...
Okay, RESUME FIRING YOU GLORIOUS FAGGOTS!

[Anonymous No.19763370]

>>19759648
BTW..I'm not really arguing against you..
Just refining the argument.
Have another (you)

[Anonymous No.19763403]

>>19759696
>believing a McD's advertisement from Good Morning America
Do you even know how viral marketing works?
Did you even look at the documented daily intake of that shill? Do you believe a mass media outlet that ran in lockstep with all the others in order to get you to become a guinea pig for free for an experimental "Treatment" by companies that are well documented to have LIED over and over to the serious detriment of people's health?
Holy shit! this isn't even about Vaxtardation...It's about your credulousness in the face of mountains of evidence that corporations that are given free reign by the "Revered institutions of Health" to decide what is good for us ALWAYS have their bottom line in mind before anything else.

[Anonymous No.19763414]

>>19742813
how much do you weigh

[Anonymous No.19763665]

>eat the same amount of calories I did when I was 25
>slowly get fat when I didn't before
>DUDE CICO!!! XD

Fuck you faggots. There's clearly more going on here. Metabolism slows as you get older.

[Anonymous No.19763667]

>>19763665
Are you just as athletic/muscular as you were at 25?

[Anonymous No.19763677]

>>19763665
>Metabolism slows as you get older.
I wonder what the CO in CICO stands for.

[Anonymous No.19763715]

>>19763667
>>19763677
>work out just as much
>it doesn't matter because I now have to work out significantly more with the same calories in because my metabolism has slowed down

[Anonymous No.19763772]

>>19763715
>with the same calories in
Have you considered changing that.

[Anonymous No.19763800]

>>19763715
Unless you're 50+ you have a serious medical condition.
Or much more likely you're lying on the internet.

[Anonymous No.19763827]

>>19763772
So you agree. You can't just keep doing the exact same CICO your whole life because there are factors outside of it than change how the body handles calories. Thanks for conceding.
>>19763800
>you have a serious medical condition.
bullshit

[Anonymous No.19763854]

>>19763715
if you're working out "just as much", you're probably spending less effort and calories on it because your muscles are better

[Anonymous No.19763857]

>>19763827
>You can't just keep doing the exact same CICO your whole life
Nobody said that both calories in and calories out will independently remain the same forever, retard. The point is that you need to have your calories in match your calories out, no matter what complications occur on either end. "DUDE CICO!!! XD" is a call for you to acknowledge that, if your CO decreases for whatever reason, including "slowing metabolism", your CI will need to be adjusted to compensate. Fatties that don't even engage with the base premise of CICO are the only ones that try to discredit it.

[Anonymous No.19763901]

>>19742357
Of course it did, thermodynamics is a law after all.

[Anonymous No.19764004]

>>19747075
>it’s a diet fad for gym bros
No that’s just literally how your body works.

[Anonymous No.19764862]

CICO reigns supreme.

[Anonymous No.19765761]

>>19763285
Ketolards getting angry that nobody agrees with them other than their redditor hugbox

[Anonymous No.19765804]

how much pizza should i be eating?

[Anonymous No.19765811]

>>19763665
>>19763715
>every TDEE calculator includes age as one of if not the first factor
>what the fuck you guys didn't warn me about this

[Anonymous No.19765832]

>>19747075

[Anonymous No.19766941]

>>19765804
Yes

[Anonymous No.19767756]

Ketolards deserve death

[Anonymous No.19768026]

>>19765761
low iq fad diet cultists think everyone else is also a low iq fad diet cultist, imagine my surrprise

[Anonymous No.19768635]

>>19742357
Super Size Me is still bullshit to this day.
Limiting his steps is ridiculous and he still hasn't released what he ate.

[Anonymous No.19768685]

>>19748560
Because cicofags know they live a lie so they need to bring drown a better lifestyle so they'll feel better

[Anonymous No.19768807]

>>19768685

[Anonymous No.19768829]

i swear this antiketo fag is the only reason keto ever comes up on /ck/

[Anonymous No.19768925]

>>19768807
how nice of you to show a picture of me holding up that mirror for you

[Anonymous No.19768931]

>>19749921
More like an overfilled recovery.

[Anonymous No.19768988]

>>19742410
Based ESL retard

[Anonymous No.19768998]

>>19768925
>no u
Peak Ketoschizo intellect

[Anonymous No.19771453]

Necrobump!

[Anonymous No.19771638]

>>19747075
ok fatso
>>19742357
Just don't choose the mega McBacon and Lard special, exercise and you'll be fine
>but too much sodium
Drink water

[Anonymous No.19771676]

>>19754990
It's pronounced "chink", I think

[Anonymous No.19771736]

>>19742357
Are there really people who argue against CICO on here? I know ketobros can holes in their brain, but god damn. If you happened to a substantial amount of weight on any diet, it was only because you had a calorie deficient, whether or not it was intentional. Are there really full-grown-ass adults in the developed world who drive and vote who need to be told that? Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.19772127]

There is a strong correlation between people who think there is no nuance when it comes to CICO and low IQ people.

[Anonymous No.19772170]

>>19761626
>pick up an european recipe book
>or browse https://cooking.nytimes.com
lol fag

[Anonymous No.19772190]

>>19772127
Source?

[Anonymous No.19772193]

>>19772190
This knowledge came to me in a spirit vision

[Anonymous No.19772320]

>>19772127
There's even greater correlation between people who think their bodies violate the laws of thermodynamics and low IQ individuals

[Anonymous No.19772351]

>>19742357
i'm an intermittent faster, but it's only a tool to help restrict calories in. I think it's fine to follow whatever diet trend as long as you understand it's just window dressing for CICO.

[Anonymous No.19772371]

>>19772351
personally i use anabolic androgenic steroids to increase calories out
#CICO

[Anonymous No.19772383]

>>19742368
Actually to be honest nobody ever said it was bad so actually you’re being weird and stupid? probably from /pol/
i’ve never been wrong about anything and neither have scientists

[Anonymous No.19772387]

>>19742410
i can tell you’re mad
but why would you expose yourself so easily?

[Anonymous No.19772647]

>>19772190
Muh YouTube keto grifter

[Anonymous No.19773386]

>>19772320
It's perfectly possible for your body to convert very little of the food you ate into energy (making you feel like shit and lethargic) and to convert most of it fat. No laws of thermodynamics broken.

>>19772647
Not a ketotard, and I'm probably thinner than 99% of itt

[Anonymous No.19773751]

>>19742460
>sounds like you're pulling rainboots out the mud

As a fatty fucker myself, you've just crushed my appetite for them like a chihuahua under my last fuck.

[Anonymous No.19773760]

>>19742357
nah CICO totally doesn't work, i'll have you know that i literally eat 63k calories worth of food every single day and i totally still lose weight because rather than a human body i have a magical furnace in my body that just ignores things like calories cause i'm just special and the laws of thermodynamics just don't work on me

[Anonymous No.19773783]

>>19773760
You could just be shitting all the food out and not absorbing it because of some health problem, in which case the calories in are just much lower than whatever is on the label. If you can't absorb it, you can't count it as a calorie into the system. Same reason keto folks tend to negate insoluble fibers.

[Anonymous No.19773793]

>>19773783
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I JUST HAVE A MAGICAL METABOLISM I'M SPECIAL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.19773845]

>>19742357
CICO is obviously right, but the problem is that some people just mindlessly say "CICO" when someone asks for dieting advice. That's the end, not the means by which to reach that end. It's kind of like being asked "how can I prepare for this footrace", and answering "you need to be faster than the other runners".

[Anonymous No.19773865]

>>19773845
>and answering "you need to be faster than the other runners".
No. CICO doesn't compare you to anyone else but yourself based on your own weight, diet and activity. It literally says if you're still fat/gaining weight you need to eat less or burn more calories. If you're skinny/losing weight you should eat more, assuming you're trying to gain weight. It really is that simple. Crying because someone else eats more without being fat as though that invalidates CICO is stupid. Obviously that person is either eating/absorbing less or burning more calories. Are you fat? Do you want to be a normal bodyweight? Then stop making excuses.

[Anonymous No.19774004]

I love how it makes lards seethe, knowing that Keto is the most popular and effective means of fat weight loss through CICO. It's the "WOW, IT TOOK ALL 5 OF YOU TO BEAT ME" of diet bro-science.

[Anonymous No.19774018]

>>19774004
Keto makes people point and laugh because they know you're retarded enough to fall for the modern equivalent of the sun beach diet.

[Anonymous No.19774126]

that guy does not represent all people who eat fast food

[Anonymous No.19775407]

>>19773865
>No. CICO doesn't compare you to anyone else but yourself based on your own weight, diet and activity.
dog it was a two-second analogy and you're looking too deep into it
it was just an example of someone giving unhelpful advice

[Anonymous No.19775419]

>>19773845
>CICO is obviously right
What about it is right? The whole point of CICO is that nothing else matters. But you're saying other things matter, so CICO is wrong.

CICO people being wrong doesn't negate the need to account for calories and TDEE, any more than refusing to join the "it's ok to be white" crowd makes it suddenly not ok to be white

CICO is a political meme pushed by agro giants and junk food pushers scared they'll lose their giebs, and has nothing whatsoever to do with actual health or body recomposition