Lasagne and Macaroni Cheese are British!

[Anonymous No.19654680]

>Food researchers yesterday made the extraordinary discovery that lasagne - the quintessentially 'Italian' pasta dish - is, in fact, an English invention.

>The recipe for the dish appears in one of the oldest known cookery books, The Forme of Cury, compiled by a group of chefs on behalf of King Richard II in around 1390.

>Culinary experts made the discovery while researching authentic medieval dishes to serve at the Joust festival at Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, next week. They say it is evidence that the Italians pinched the English version and made it their own.

>Culinary spokesman Maurice Bacon said: 'Very few people know lasagne was created in England and I defy anyone to disprove it because it appeared in one of the first cookery books ever written - under the name loseyns.

>'Tomatoes were not used in cooking until a long time after the recipe was invented, so the Italians merely modified the English recipe and even called it by a similar name.

>The term for the dish most likely comes from the Greek word lasana, meaning pot (an alternate theory is that it comes from the Greek word laganon, meaning flat pasta dough cut into strips). The Romans adopted the word and began referring to the pot that lasagna is served in as lasanum, and eventually, that term became used for the dish itself.

Remember lads, the next time you talk shit about and badmouth British food whilst shovelling untold amounts of mac 'n cheese and loseyns into your mouth you are in fact a hypocrite. English food surprises me at every turn. It's an esoteric cuisine.

[Anonymous No.19654689]

>>19654680
eternal anglo coping hard . We wuz good cooks and shyet

[Anonymous No.19654696]

>>19654689
>Loseyns:
>Take gode broth and do in an erthen pot, take flour of payndemayn and make þerof past with water. and make þerof thynne foyles as paper with a roller, drye it harde and seeþ it in broth take Chese ruayn grated and lay it in disshes with powdour douce. and lay þeron loseyns isode as hoole as þou mizt and above powdour and chese, and so twyse or thryse, & serue it forth.

No coping here. In fact, the modern incarnation of Lasagne you regularly eat has British roots stretching as far back as 1300AD.

[Anonymous No.19654703]

>>19654696
even if this is true i don't think anyone particularly cares, anon.

[Anonymous No.19654706]

>>19654680
Burgers were invented in England too. The world's oldest burger recipe is from England. It was a burger patty served between toast

[Anonymous No.19654714]

>>19654696
>No coping here. In fact, the modern incarnation of Lasagne you regularly eat has British roots stretching as far back as 1300AD.
Sounds like the lazy man's version of Welsh rabbit.

[Anonymous No.19654722]

>>19654696
>>19654680
Yes the word Loseyns first appeared in Britain, but if you read the recipe it's essentially just sheet like pasta with cheese. No layering, no meat sauce, no tomatoes of course.

[Anonymous No.19654724]

>mom!
>i posted it again!!
Nobody cares, retard. At least bongs have finally come to terms with their terrible cuisine and are trying to appropriate low tier dishes from other countries as their own in order to improve their image (lol).

[Anonymous No.19654726]

>>19654696
>No coping here
this entire thread is you coping

[Anonymous No.19654730]

>>19654714
It'd often have meat leftovers such as mutton (Ubiquitous at the time) and other things like agaricus campestris and hawthorne/plum leaves, fruit and berries. Beech mast was a popular nut and filler too.
I imagine the wealthier individuals would have lavished black pepper and other spices in it.

[Anonymous No.19654736]

>>19654706
I wouldn't be surprised if OP took the, "durr, burgers are sandwiches and sandwiches were invented in bongland" route. It's just about as retarded as his mac and cheese story (now also includes lasagna, because those are apparently the same thing).

[Anonymous No.19654737]

>>19654724
I rarely post here though.
This thread is about food and if you don't like it you know where the door is. Historical food is interesting. You walked into a thread you didn't like and proceeded to cry about it.

[Anonymous No.19654740]

>>19654680
>Culinary spokesman Maurice Bacon
>Bacon
oh cmon

[Anonymous No.19654748]

>>19654737
>food researchers yesterday made the extraordinary discovery
>yesterday
>article from 20 years ago
You've been making this exact same thread twice a week for the last 2 months. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.19654752]

>>19654696
DAS RITE!

[Anonymous No.19654754]

>>19654736
>It's just about as retarded as his mac and cheese story (now also includes lasagna, because those are apparently the same thing).
Did you know that Kraft invented macaroni and cheese for the Irish during the potato famine? It was basically meant to provide them with a shelf stable variant of Welsh rabbit.

[Anonymous No.19654757]

>>19654680
>Pizza isn't italian
>Carbonara was first made by an american throwing MRE shit together
>Lasagne isn't italian
Always knew they were utter fags with the way they insist on making food """traditional""" but this is just stupid funny lmao
Fuck all pastaniggers, your grandmothers probably ate their first pizza in 1960 lol

[Anonymous No.19654761]

>>19654748
Post the archived posts lad.

[Anonymous No.19654764]

>>19654722
The end of the recipe is literally layering.

[Anonymous No.19654765]

>>19654757
>Always knew they were utter fags with the way they insist on making food """traditional""" but this is just stupid funny lmao
>Fuck all pastaniggers, your grandmothers probably ate their first pizza in 1960 lol
Italians eat fake pizza.
Real pizza is made with flatbread, olive oil, cheese, and garlic. And it was invented in England in 712 AD.

[Anonymous No.19654774]

>>19654680
We knew this already.

Yes, Tomatoes are missing but they weren't 'invented' at the time.

Is there a reason for this thread?

[Anonymous No.19654777]

>>19654757
all wrong, debunked

[Anonymous No.19654780]

>>19654774
>Is there a reason for this thread?
Yeah, it's so the British can dunk on the Italians and their fake pasta dishes that they didn't invent.

[Anonymous No.19654785]

>>19654754
>for the Irish during the potato famine?
I can bet you a years salary that you are American.

Your obsession with anything Irish is laughable, they have been nowhere and invented nothing. It's only plastic paddies in America that think of them.

[Anonymous No.19654794]

>>19654780
>British can dunk on the Italians and their fake pasta dishes that they didn't invent.
I will say it again, as you clearly didn't understand.

We know those dishes originated in Britain, why make a fuss about it?
Pasta was invented in China, don't you know this?

[Anonymous No.19654806]

>>19654765
sushi was also invented by an English man in 400 bc, just a few years later a Welsh man invented chiken Masala. The world has long denied the anglo kangz their rightful place as the best culinary artists in the world.

[Anonymous No.19654810]

The English make the best lasagna.

[Anonymous No.19654811]

>>19654761
I usually hide the threads. Why the fuck would I have archive links. You know damn well you've been spamming this shit, trying to force a meme or just being generally shitty summer.

[Anonymous No.19654829]

And as we all know the greatest food known to man the sandwich was invented by the Englishman, Mr Sandwich. So all you filthy colonials and euros would do well to remember when you bite into a delicious sandwich. You’re welcome.

[Anonymous No.19654832]

>>19654810
What - like American Burger?

[Anonymous No.19654836]

>>19654680
>>The recipe for the dish appears in one of the oldest known cookery books, The Forme of Cury, compiled by a group of chefs on behalf of King Richard II in around 1390.
This just prooves they wrote down the recipe

[Anonymous No.19654845]

>>The recipe for the dish appears in one of the oldest known cookery books, The Forme of Cury, compiled by a group of chefs on behalf of King Richard II in around 1390.

This just proves they wrote down the recipe

[Anonymous No.19654871]

You do know that the Brits at the time (and to this day) had little to no culture of their own and were obsessed with dishes of foreign origin, especially those of France and Italy, right? This extended even to their marriage pursuits. Don't forget that Edward IV wife, Elizabeth Woodville's grandmother, Margaret of Baux, was a native of the kingdom of Naples.
And the popularity of tea in the UK exploded with the marriage of Catharine of Braganza's marriage to Charles II (though as a lifelong Catholic, she could not be considered queen, despite being married to the king).
Literally everything popular in Britain's did culture is because they have nothing of worth of their own so they, like the modern Chinaman's infringement on IP, take from other cultures, give no credit to the cultures they've taken from then claim it was British all along. Considering there is evidence of lasagne in the Italian peninsula going back 3000 years (which trumps you're measily 700 by over two millennia lol), this is the most likely reason it appears in tHe FoRmE oF CuRy. Especially considering they haven't a single other pasta-like dish lmao

[Anonymous No.19654879]

>>19654871
>literally every culture is influenced by other countries
>most countries use foreign ingredients for their national dishes
>”B-but British culture is worthless and they have no authentic cuisine because, well just because OKAY!”

[Anonymous No.19654886]

>>19654777
Eh, not quite on the carbonara. Carbonara was invented by Italians using American rations. What is bizarre is that it supposedly comes from Rome. I would Naples because
1) Rome has literally no other savoury custards for pasta while Naples has several and
2) Neapolitans are far more culinarily opportunistic than Romans and are perfectly content with trying new shit and adapting things to local tastes

[Anonymous No.19654895]

>>19654845
damn....you should read the bible.........

[Anonymous No.19654899]

>>19654879
reduction to absurdity doesn't really help your case, kiddo
Italians got modern pasta from the Berbers and developed it over the last 1400 years into hundreds of variants and dishes. If Brits invented lasagne in 1390, why the fuck did they not develop anything the fuck else that was pasta based? Occam's Razor would say "because they fucking didn't invent lasagne, you silly little homo."

[Anonymous No.19654907]

>>19654899
Then why did it take Americans to make italian food good

[Anonymous No.19654910]

Didn't read the thread, just wanted to point out that true or not both bongland and shitaly bow to France when it comes to culinary matters.
That is all

VIVE LA FRANCE
VIVE LA REPUBLIQUE

[Anonymous No.19654913]

>>19654895
?

[Anonymous No.19654914]

>>19654907
>she asked, obesedly

[Anonymous No.19654916]

>>19654907
true, i love flaming hot dorito bolognese tacos

[Anonymous No.19654917]

>>19654910
Your food is overrated literally just regular meat and veg meals drowned in cream, butter and garlic and wala apparently it’s something groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.19654937]

>>19654910
basé!

[Anonymous No.19654970]

>>19654907
It didn't, faggot amerimutt. It's cope on your part to proclaim it as such.

[Anonymous No.19654985]

>>19654917
French is the language of cooking and war and people think they suck at both

[Anonymous No.19655005]

>>19654886
>Eh, not quite
Redditard, stop using interjections that make you sound like a smatterer, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.
I get it, you think you know what you are talking about because you watched some youtube video; I'll clean it for and any other that was going to perpetuate this cyclical public denigration.

First of all your assumption (using American rations), I've yet to find carbonara's ingredients inside Statian ww2 rations; if you were familiar with the topic, you'd know it's very difficult to find them as most of the dishes are shelf stable, ready to eat and categorically not raw.

Secondly near Rome, more generically in Lazio region and the bordering Abruzzo region, there has been existing a egg-cheese based pasta dish; a dish that has existed with variations since ancient times.
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFqksMtk-OE

It has eggs, cacio, pepe and, surprise of all the surprises, the only ingredient differentiating it from carbonara is the Guanciale.
It's not too difficult imaging the local shepherds adding guanciale, is it? Even more knowing that one of the local way to change the recipe was adding sausages.

[Anonymous No.19655016]

>>19654680
Well, this makes sense. I was watching an old episode of This Morning and I saw them putting salad cream on a lasagne, which I thought was a bit weird, but I tried it and it actually works.

[Anonymous No.19655050]

>>19655005
Whatever you say, kiddo. : )
How does it feel you typed all that and I ain't read shit? lmao
I'm right, you're wrong and you can suck my arse over it

[Anonymous No.19655079]

>>19654680
Another fun fact: the earliest record of steak served with fried potato slices (chips) came from the UK in the 2nd century AD.
Craziest thing is they even had onion rings, mushrooms and local mustard alongside it.

[Anonymous No.19655081]

>>19655050
It's liberating knowing that I've contributed to this discussion
While you are here, desperate trying to sound right on something you don't know.

[Anonymous No.19655091]

>>19654810
That dish have never been served in the UK.
What you're looking at there, is Slavic cuisine.
Don't post shit to back up your iffy agenda.
Fuck off to a board where no knowledge is required.
Get yourself on /b or /int with the other gormless chuds.

[Anonymous No.19655096]

>>19654680
>Culinary spokesman Maurice Bacon
Literally a metalocalypse bit

[Anonymous No.19655100]

>>19654910
All of the best food in France comes from Brittany.
As in the bit of France the British colonised, that still wants independence from the rest of France.

[Anonymous No.19655116]

I wonder why the Irish invented Welsh rabbit instead of something that tastes better, like cheese on oatmeal.

[Anonymous No.19655136]

>>19655100
Quel est Bretagne melior plat?

Je ne parle bien pas le Francais

[Anonymous No.19655142]

>>19655081
Okay. Tutto come vuoi.

[Anonymous No.19655159]

>>19655100
wow I've seen some bullshit in my day but this is on a whole other level.
British copium is really potent, can't be healthy

[Anonymous No.19655244]

>>19655136
Speaking English is fine.

>>19655159
I'm guessing you're an American from your lack of historical knowledge.

[Anonymous No.19655261]

>>19654680
>The Forme of Cury
Next your gonna try to take credit for tikka masala
Fucking brits even tried to take credit for how awesome america is

[Anonymous No.19655276]

>>19655016
>salad cream
??? try again retard

[Anonymous No.19655279]

>>19655244
name 3 dishes from brittany that are considered staples of French Cuisine then

[Anonymous No.19655285]

>>19655279
>name 3 dishes from brittany that are considered staples of French Cuisine then
Steak frites
Tarte flambée
Steak tartare

[Anonymous No.19655293]

>>19655279
Not her, but kouign-amann and those buckwheat crepes are two. And moules-frites is actually Breton and not Belgian, I think. Not sure. If so, then that's three.

[Anonymous No.19655301]

>>19655285
I'm British, and White, and I am not ashamed to admit that we invented the concept of eating raw food. See, when we conquered the uncivilized nations, we noticed that some of them were cooking their meats, vegetables, and fruits, and/or fermenting them. This was no good, so we forced them to abandon things like gas or coal powered stoves and ovens, and taught them how to eat raw food. Because we are a civilized people, and they are an uncultured pile of swine that adore people like Meghan Markle.

[Anonymous No.19655318]

>>19655285
>steak frites
lolno
>tarte flambée
alsace
>steak tartare
lolno

I'll give you crepes.
kouign-amann is not considered a staple of french cuisine, and you'd be lucky to find a restaurant serving it outside of brittany

[Anonymous No.19655326]

>>19655318
You think the french invented french fries when potatoes originated in Ireland?

[Anonymous No.19655344]

>>19655326
>potatoes originated in Ireland?
Not sure if bait or just incredibly dense.
Potatoes came from The America's.

[Anonymous No.19655472]

>>19655318
>kouign-amann is not considered a staple of french cuisine, and you'd be lucky to find a restaurant serving it outside of brittany
Maybe I'm getting it confused for something else. Isn't that the huge, elephant ear shaped biscuit?
They seem to be everywhere in France when we've spent time there.

[Anonymous No.19655480]

>>19655472
that's a palmier
kouign-amann is laminated dough baked with a caramel crust iirc
pretty fucking good though

[Anonymous No.19655492]

>>19655480
Yes, i just figured out the mistake myself. We call them ventagli in Italy (fans) or cuori-di-Francia (Hearts of France), depending on shape.
They're not from Brittany, I take it?

[Anonymous No.19655603]

>>19655326
>potatoes originated in Ireland?
Peruvians seething right now

[Anonymous No.19655624]

>>19655016
sounds like noncesense to me

[Anonymous No.19655763]

>>19654680
holy cope

[Anonymous No.19655864]

>>19654680
Pastaniggers eternally coping that their food culture was invented by foreigners in 1960

[Anonymous No.19655879]

>>19654680
>>The term for the dish most likely comes from the Greek word lasana, meaning pot (an alternate theory is that it comes from the Greek word laganon, meaning flat pasta dough cut into strips). The Romans adopted the word and began referring to the pot that lasagna is served in as lasanum, and eventually, that term became used for the dish itself.
soo it really came from rome?

[Anonymous No.19655880]

>>19655864
lol @ cultureless nordcucks, die mad

[Anonymous No.19655885]

>>19654680
This is like the Oxford burnt cream thing
The only people who believe this when they read it are the ones going "Oi, Martha! Cun yew buhleeve this nyeews ahticle? Aye knoo me mum wus roight bout those damned frogs!"

[Anonymous No.19655889]

>>19655880
>cultureless
Romans and Greeks got their helmet styles from the Celts, and Celts were known to be the best metallurgists in the world. I think its funny that even when we were barbarians we were leading the world in technology.

[Anonymous No.19655908]

>>19655889
>Celts were known to be the best metallurgists in the world
lol
You actually believe this, don't you? lmao

[Anonymous No.19655912]

>>19655889
will the coping ever end?

[Anonymous No.19655922]

>>19654680
That just makes British food even worse. It means they had good cuisine (invented it, even) and then decided they'd rather have this shit.

[Anonymous No.19655947]

>>19655922
To be fair, stargazy pie looks ridiculous but it does actually taste quite nice. I don't go through all that nonsense to make a coffin and lid for the pilchards to poke their heads through if I'm making one. I just make a fish pie in shepherds pie style. Any plain cooked flakey fish works nicely, oily or white. Try making a mash-topped fish pie sometime, friend. Presuming you like fish to begin with, you'll really like it.

[Anonymous No.19655967]

>>19655276
Do you not know what salad cream is, or something?

[Anonymous No.19656839]

>>19655293
>her

[Anonymous No.19656888]

>>19656839
?

[Anonymous No.19657574]

>>19655879
etymology is a mystery to pastaniggers

[Anonymous No.19657598]

>>19654696
There's been a similar dish dating back to the romans, which is here this dish probably originates from.

[Anonymous No.19657651]

>>19655050
>Whatever you say, kiddo. : )
its'a gooda pasta

[Anonymous No.19657704]

Why do people get so mad when they learn that a dish is British
Like I have no idea if lasagne is actually English and the OP article sounds like it's from a tabloid but people get mad as fuck when you say macaroni cheese is British when that's an established fact

[Anonymous No.19658274]

every civilization ever will figure out how to put meat and starch together

[Anonymous No.19658892]

>>19657704
Because they've been conditioned by decades of American propaganda espousing British food as absolute dogshit. When they find out that the food of the British Isles is as varied and rich as any cuisine found on the continent it causes a form of cognitive dissonance.
You'll see this is why they try to point at things like Stargazy Pie or Jellied Eels as an example of all things British and they'll try to pant these dishes as foul.

[Anonymous No.19659111]

>>19658892
Yummy. Unseasoned vegetables, unseasoned mash and instant gravy. My favourites. The Yorkshire pud can stay.

The Brits are a lot like the Scandies IE they've access to good quality ingredients with fuckall knowledge of what to do with it.

[Anonymous No.19659159]

>>19655016
they are such weirdos but I love them.

[Anonymous No.19659481]

I hate the British