/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19409130]

Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from? It has historical roots in Celtic Britons brewing with crabapples, or the Spanish making sidra in the ancient times before the birth of Christ. It had also been popular among sailors in the Age of Discovery.

If nothing else, it's a refreshing, atmospheric drink in the fall as the leaves are turning brown and the weather is cooling down.

[Anonymous No.19409140]

>>19409130
You can tell it's a woman drink by the way only women drink it

[Anonymous No.19409143]

>>19409130
Anglos fucked it up with their sugared or artificially flavoured swill.

[Anonymous No.19409147]

>>19409130
Because most mass-market modern ciders (Somersby, Strongbow, Old Mout) have a shitton of sugar in them, plus different fruit flavors, and an ABV under 5.

[Anonymous No.19409154]

>>19409130
Because in our primitive brains we associate the ability to endure pain with masculinity. You are more of a man the more pain you can withstand.

Therefore you aren't allowed to take sugar or cream in your coffee, it's feminine. THe blacker and stronger it is, the more of a man you are
You aren't allowed to smoke filtered cigarettes, that's for women
You aren't allowed to prefer red wine to white wine, men drink fullbodied red wines, women drink white wines and prosecco and sweet shit like that
You aren't allowed to prefer sweet alcoholic beverages to, say, bitter beverages like beer, not being able to deal with the bitterness makes you weak and womanly
You aren't allowed to not like really spicy food, if you can't take the heat, you're feminine
the redder the steak is, the more of a man you are
etc. etc.
it's so boring and pathetic desu

[Anonymous No.19409158]

>>19409154
i fucked up on the red/white wine thing btw

[Anonymous No.19409177]

>>19409154
Both creamed and sugared and black coffee are bad. Coffee is supposed to be a brown, reddish and naturally sweet and kinda sour beverage, no sugar or cream needed. Black coffee is literally bug flavored charcoal tea

[Anonymous No.19409182]

>>19409140
Women drink hard seltzer and rose

[Anonymous No.19409188]

>>19409147
People are drinking the wrong ciders then because I don't touch that apple soda

[Anonymous No.19409190]

>>19409143
>Americans fucked it up with their sugared or artificially flavoured swill
FTFY

[Anonymous No.19409193]

The Spartans used to fuck young boys. That doesn't making fucking young boys any less gay.

[Anonymous No.19409196]

>>19409182
>>19409140
Real men drink stuff that is very bitter or is hard to drink because of it's high alcohol content. This helps us assert ourselves as masculine.
That's why we take our coffees black, we would never be seen putting anything sweet like sugar in our coffees, because that would pose a threat to our masculinity. Nor something like cream that would make the coffee drinking experience more 'rich' as this would be equivalent of drinking breast milk, totally infantilizing.
For this reason, you also won't see me drink white wine or rose, or if it's a white wine, it would have to be one that is very dry. That would help me maintain a sense of masculinity. I can endure pain and discomfort.
This is also why I prefer a whisky neat over, say, a gin and tonic. The former would be considered much more masculine, and it is important for me to exude masculinity at every turn.

[Anonymous No.19409205]

>>19409130
Marketing shit in the 80s to sell women booze before the popularization of alcopops in the 90s, because it's sweet and women like apples I guess. If you go to the UK you'll find plenty of middle aged working class men drinking pints of scrumpy.

[Anonymous No.19409209]

>>19409130
the US doesn't grow the right varieties of apples that make good cider, they grow apples that are sweet
when these apples are made into cider, the cider is very sweet and women often prefer sweet drinks

[Anonymous No.19409324]

>>19409196
White wine goes good with seafood though

[Anonymous No.19409326]

>>19409324
Don’t get sweet, get dry white wine if you want to preserve your masculinity

[Anonymous No.19409339]

>>19409130
Thats an American thing I think. Prior to Prohibition cider was popular here, but during Prohibition most of the established orchards were destroyed. After it was repealed, beer took off as the drink of choice due to its ease and speed of growing the barley needed compared to establishing new orchards. This paired with the general attitude of "if its not popular its for women" grew over time and led to the stigma, though its not so prevalent today.
Personally I can't stand beer but love cider, especially with peach or pineapple added

[Anonymous No.19409345]

>>19409339
This too >>19409205

[Anonymous No.19409347]

>>19409130
mostly because, until recently, you couldn't get a decent cider at least here in america. for a long time, cider was extremely popular in the former colonies. cider apples, however, are very different from eating apples--they have much less sugar and a different flavor, and they aren't good for eating. during prohibition, most of these orchards were lost since they had no productive use any longer. (kinda similar to how so much rye stopped being grown during prohibition in the north.) and since an apple orchard takes a long time to mature, we're only just now getting productive cider apple orchards here, since good cider has been getting more popular for probably about a decade now. a lot of the old varietals were saved by just a few apple orchard gurus who have been collecting oddball strains and growing them for decades. my favorite one is poverty lane orchards in Lebanon, NH. i used to go apple picking there in college since it was just down the road and would come home with all kinds of weird stuff. now that there's interest in cider apples again, people all over have been getting cuttings from him and other apple collectors like him and starting new orchards. it's a beautiful thing. good cider is fucking awesome. problem is, it will never be dirt cheap, because the raw ingredients for cider will always cost more than the raw ingredients for beer.

[Anonymous No.19409377]

>>19409130
Nowhere. It's been a teenage delinquent's drink for years now.

[Anonymous No.19409381]

>>19409347
Very insight, thank you anon, but why is there a place in New Hampshire called Lebanon.

[Anonymous No.19409386]

>>19409209
>t. retard who has no idea how fermentation works
Yeast consumes all the sugar available in apple juice to make alcohol. The more sugar there is the juice before it ferments, the more alcohol is created. In fact, ciders brewed with a high starting alcohol content are usually very tart and dry because all the available sugars have been eaten by the test. "Sweet" ciders have some combination of chemical stabilizers that stop yeast activity, added sugar, and artificial sweeteners that the yeast can't consume.

[Anonymous No.19409415]

>>19409386
>Yeast consumes all the sugar available in apple juice to make alcohol
depends on how long it goes
you don't think commercial cider production is the same as home brewing, do you?

[Anonymous No.19409418]

>>19409386
Same problem with mead. Since honey is sweet, people expect mead to be sweet. But you can have mead that's not sweet at all and similar to a dry white wine.

[Anonymous No.19409470]

>>19409415
>You don't think restaurant pasta water boils at the same temperature as pasta water you make at home, do you?

[Anonymous No.19409573]

>>19409381
They named it after the town of Lebanon Connecticut, where many of the founders of the city came from.

[Anonymous No.19409643]

>>19409470
I am a smart person and you're a dumb person. I'm more intelligent than you.

[Anonymous No.19409856]

>>19409643
Cope

[Anonymous No.19409878]

>>19409130
>Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from?

America, where everyone is stupid and confused. Cider is delicious, historic and delicious. Both men and women can enjoy it. Only emasculated Amerifats feel the need to define certain food and drink as being for women, gays or trannies. "Lol real men eat steak and drink whiskey!" No, bitch, real men can enjoy a properly baked pastry and sip on a cider without losing their testicles.

[Anonymous No.19409905]

>>19409878
>men can enjoy a properly baked pastry and sip on a cider without losing their testicles.
thats sus. America is the land of alpha males. we dont do that shit around.

[Anonymous No.19409933]

>>19409130
>sweet
for women
>bitter
for men

simple as.

[Anonymous No.19409932]

>>19409905
If by alpha males you mean uncivilized barbarians then yes

[Anonymous No.19409953]

>>19409933
Some ciders aren't as sweet. How is it any more gay than the faggotry surrounding IPAs

[Anonymous No.19409998]

I fucking love cider and i will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.19410024]

>>19409130
women try andf claim anything that is flavorful or pleasant to the eye..hard cider like wine is a mans drink ,at the end of the day a man invented it such as jewlry and perfume woman buy it but mewn create it ...fuck these dumb broads taking credit and trying to monopolize litejavascript:quote('19409140');rally everything that is pleasant or creative .....fuck roasties
>Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.19410027]

>>19409953
yes IPAS are fucking gay

[Anonymous No.19410029]

>>19409932
no america is know for being the world superpower

[Anonymous No.19410031]

>>1940995
kek I guess if you go too bitter into double dry hopped triple ipa then you become soi

I was just taking the piss though, I don't really care. I can't imagine someone being called gay for drinking orange juice, but it's gay to drink a screwdriver?

>>19409154
I guess this. I think because drinking culture in particular has a lot of masculine culture associated with it (you're a tough man if you can drink more, you're a tough man if you can drink harsh alcohol etc.)

[Anonymous No.19410072]

>>19409381
cause it's east of West Lebanon, NH, i think

[Anonymous No.19411246]

>>19410072
Itch beth fram germany

[Anonymous No.19411691]

>>19409381
a good chunk of american towns, depending on who settled the areas, are named either directly from the bible or just general holy land place names. probably 1 out of every 4/5 places in utah is a biblical/levant reference

[Anonymous No.19411834]

>>19409643
Based.

[Anonymous No.19411848]

>>19409998
lmao, underrated post, thanks for the laffs anon

[Anonymous No.19411874]

>It has historical roots in Celtic Britons brewing with crabapples
No it doesn't
Romans introduced apples to britain and the anglo saxons who came over post rome drank it as well

[Anonymous No.19411936]

>>19411691
So when are the democrats going to start changing the names then

[Anonymous No.19411963]

>>19409573
my mom lives there. one of our multiple redneck armpits of the state.

[Anonymous No.19412160]

Cider was always manly
https://youtu.be/Yeh1S_kl8YI

[Anonymous No.19412210]

>>19412160
Based and sea shanty pilled

[Anonymous No.19412213]

>>19409196
You sound like a huge faggot.

[Anonymous No.19412295]

>>19412213
And what does that make you

[Anonymous No.19412449]

>>19409130
cider is expensive to make because you need good apples and the right kind of apples. this is why the cans and the small bottles that you get at a grocery store are all shit. nothing under 5 bucks for 750ml is even worth trying, it's all the same industrial garbage

[Anonymous No.19412466]

>>19409154
>the only reason people like certain things is because le toxic masculinity
What liberal arts college did you graduate from, you weiner?

[Anonymous No.19412763]

>>19409154
I think tea is pretty gay but I still drink a couple of cups at work. I also believe that Aperol spritz is highly homosexual, yet I order it frequently when going out. I think pink is a color mostly for girls and wearing something like that in public makes you appear like a faggots, yet I have a pink shirt and shorts and wear it frequently.
Maybe people should just stop giving a fuck what others think and do what they want.

[Anonymous No.19413021]

>>19409196
Insufferably based

[Anonymous No.19413433]

>>19412449
So what do you get

[Anonymous No.19414039]

>>19409130
Don't know, don't care. I never got a taste for beer but I enjoy a good cider on a warm night. Picrel is my favourite brewer at the moment.

[Anonymous No.19414579]

>>19409130
It's sweet and not as hard on your stomach. Here in Ireland it's the thing you start drinking as a teenager before you start drinking beer, girls just keep drinking it

But proper cider is really nice

[Anonymous No.19414753]

>>19409130
that's considered a student drink in new zealand (at least higher alcohol versions like scrumpy). loved it when I was 17, now it just tastes kinda sugary i'd just make a margarita if I had the option. 5% alc versions can taste nice but I think it varies a lot we got good orchards here

[Anonymous No.19415209]

>>19409147
My cider at home is like 8.5 percent. Tastes way better than any high % beer

[Anonymous No.19415313]

>>19409154
>>19409130
>>19409196
man i love being jacked so much
i just order the actual good tasting drinks I really want. i fucking love hard cider and drink it all the time.
feel bad for the insecure people drinking shit that tastes like burning couch leather.

[Anonymous No.19415335]

Only people who say that are faggots who are from America or rest of Europe where they simply don't brew it like in Britain.
Even in Britain, hard cider is more of a niche and not as popular as beer. But you aren't truly a man until you get pissed as a badger on proper scrumpy.
The highly sweet, sugar laden, low quality and volume "cider" doesn't deserve to be called such IMO. Honestly there's a fine craft in making traditional cider. They piss on history and tradition, providing the wider world with a vile mockery of real country cider.
If you know, you know.

[Anonymous No.19415348]

>>19409154
>Because in our primitive brains we associate the ability to endure pain with masculinity. You are more of a man the more pain you can withstand.
It's simpler than that. It's that men are supposed to endure hardship more than women, and you're expected to make small demonstrations of constitution in order to woo them. On a subconscious level, it makes them feel like you can protect them and stay grounded if/when things get tough.

[Anonymous No.19415350]

>>19415335
You mean this stuff or are you talking about the stuff made in a shed by a 80 year old man in Cornwall who still says thee and thou?

[Anonymous No.19415354]

>>19415350
Precisely! Proper gut rot shit. Makes a man of you! Both are valid

[Anonymous No.19415388]

>>19415350
Getting scrumped tonight

[Anonymous No.19415414]

>>19415388
Noice
Have an extra for an anon who is also getting pissed on that shit tonight

[Anonymous No.19416102]

>>19415414
Wanna piss on me

[Anonymous No.19416150]

>>19409196
So retarded

[Anonymous No.19416153]

>>19409130
>crabapple cider
Probably because no woman would have touched that

[Anonymous No.19416235]

>>19414039
Lmao. Can you get this in America? I have to have try this and have those bottles.

[Anonymous No.19416434]

>>19412763
It sounds like you're just gay, anon. Slightly based, but still quite gay.

[Anonymous No.19416704]

>>19409130
>Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from
Shit Amerimutts say. No one in Europe thinks this

[Anonymous No.19417607]

>>19416150
Like you? Yeah

[Anonymous No.19417785]

As the connaisseur i am i just buy the 1,99€ stuff.

[Anonymous No.19417961]

>>19416235
Probably not. You can check if they ship internationally on their website.

[Anonymous No.19418604]

>>19417785
God pics

[Anonymous No.19419072]

>>19416704
That's because europoors are all feminine

[Anonymous No.19419863]

>>19419072
Amerimutts all have fat man tits and can't run a kilometer so I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

[Anonymous No.19420876]

>>19419863
Copium

[Anonymous No.19422207]

>>19409347
Actually good post

[Anonymous No.19422220]

>>19409878
I agree with what you said, but the way you say it makes you sound like a limp wristed fag who’s bent out of shape because some American called your euro dish gay one time or something

[Anonymous No.19422856]

Make your own damn cider it's piss easy, I have a gallon batch fermenting or bottled on hand at any time at it takes 10 mins tops to prepare
>5L plastic bucket or glass jug, a gallon with a hole poked in it and a funnel if using the latter, all sanitized and properly rinsed out and left to dry with either no perfumed bleach or even dish soap.
>Five 1L cartons of pure apple juice from the grocery store. No additives or flavourings, just pure apple juice (sometimes they add vitamin C it's fine)
>1 cup white sugar (optional, makes the cider a bit stronger)
>1 cinammon stick (optional)
>1 tsp baker's yeast (not instant)
In a small bowl add a finger of warm water and stir in a teaspoon of sugar. Pitch the yeast into it and wait about 15 mins until it's bubbling.
>Add apple juice to the container, sugar as well. If it's not room temperature (bt 18-24C), heat half of one of the cartons in a small pot til just about boiling and stir in the sugar. Add to vessel, seal it and shake it REAL good for 5 mins
>Add yeast, seal the vessel and forget about it for a week.
Yields about 4.5 L of 6% hard cider, leave it longer to clear out if you want but the alcohol is often converted in a couple days.

[Anonymous No.19422867]

>>19409196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPtr6dQrnY

[Anonymous No.19424471]

>>19412466
>masculinity can never be the reason anybody does anything
Anon, you cannot possibly be this stupid.

[Anonymous No.19425066]

>>19409381
>Very insight, thank you anon, but why is there a place in New Hampshire called Lebanon.
There are old cities all over the United States named after places in the Bible, or ancient cities.

[Anonymous No.19426012]

>>19409154
>NOOOOO THIS RARE STEAK IS SO PAINFUL SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

[Anonymous No.19426532]

>>19409130
From me. I came up with it.

[Anonymous No.19426547]

>>19409130
Cider comes in a few varieties. Sweet cider is definitely a woman's drink since it tastes like sweetened fruit juice. Dry cider is not. However I'm not speaking as an American so maybe you have different terminology over there.

>>19409143
Traditional British cider actually falls on the dry end of the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.19426569]

>>19426547
>Traditional British cider actually falls on the dry end of the spectrum.
You still mostly get the nontraditional stuff on the continent. It's also easier to get proper cidre than proper British cider.

[Anonymous No.19426590]

>>19409196
sure thing woman

[Anonymous No.19426596]

>>19426569
From what I gather the traditional stuff on the continent was often sweet in the first place so that makes sense.
>It's also easier to get proper cidre than proper British cider.
Sadly true.

[Anonymous No.19426666]

>>19426596
That's because stuff like pic related got pushed so retards expect such swill.
When it comes to French cidre you can only get the sweet doux that's just 2% alcohol and therefore not very popular/interesting as an alcoholic drink or the brut that's still just like 4.5% but not sweet enough tastelets.

[Anonymous No.19426778]

>>19426666
Looks like stupid hippy shit

[Anonymous No.19426913]

>>19426778
what else would you think it was?

[Anonymous No.19427042]

Why even carbonate the cider?

[Anonymous No.19427110]

>>19427042
Because it carbonates itself when it ferments.

[Anonymous No.19427209]

>>19409130
For me it's Magners. Dry, but not too dry. Not really sweet either. Still enjoyable cold with bubbles like other ciders.

[Anonymous No.19427625]

>>19409154
You're one of those people who want to believe they know more than everyone else so you have to unnecessarily and passionately get involved in every conversation, despite not being knowledgeable in the subject, with some controversial take as a way of trying to assert dominance to compensate for the fact that you have no assets or qualities that are actually deserving of respect.
In the end you just look like a stupid asshat.

[Anonymous No.19427646]

>>19427625
and you're the type of bitch that thinks he's better than everyone else because he makes pretentious posts in response to his preconceived villain. you're trying to play hero because you have no redeeming qualities, and so you have to play pretend pseudo intellectual in the hopes someone will notice you. now go die

[Anonymous No.19427679]

>>19427625
>>19427646
You're the type of schizo that replies to himself. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.19427795]

>>19427679
>Schizo calling others schizo

[Anonymous No.19428164]

>>19409130
>Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from?
MEN ONLY DRINK BEER AND WHISKEY
Most likely
Ciders good, haven't had it in years, I've been fighting alcoholism though
>>19409147
A bit of this too though. Theres an extra dry local cider I wouldn't mind try again
>>19409154
I drink my coffee black and I still like cider. I feel like having less sweet things in general leads to me enjoying more as well.

[Anonymous No.19428190]

>>19409196
Adding milk and sugar to coffee is a fucking crime against the brew you embarassing redditor sperg. Black coffee is not about being manly or whatever, it's about being the only proper way to truly enjoy coffee.
It's like lemon juice with fish, a fucking disgrace.

[Anonymous No.19428648]

>>19426666
That sound about right except it was cheaper brands first of all. Your image is more like the next tier of spending over cheap.

[Anonymous No.19428682]

>>19409182
Rosé is quite possibly the nastiest type of wine that I've ever consumed. Wine in general is not delicious. >>19409196
I know that you're memeing, but it's sad that people feel this way. There are people out there who think a woman proudly serving her husband a homemade pastry is trying to undermine his masculinity by making him fat and feminine. In reality, that's probably only partially true.

[Anonymous No.19428694]

>>19428190
>to the brew
I drink coffee black, instant coffee. Mostly because sweet shit is still shit. Coffee isn't about how it tastes, or how manly it makes you look it's about how much caffeine you can pump into your body. Coffee in addition to energy drinks, caffeine pills, diet soda and espresso can be a good addition.

[Anonymous No.19428724]

San Diego bros have the best cyder out there

[Anonymous No.19428742]

>>19428724
You lost me at chamomile. Why would you have a chai-spiced drink and add that of all things? Fuck that flower with a fly swatter.

[Anonymous No.19429115]

>>19428694
This nigga heart finna explode fr

[Anonymous No.19429171]

>>19428724
Nope. North Carolina and Virginia have the best cider.

[Anonymous No.19429483]

>>19409130
Too sweet. "Dry" commercial cider is actually medium. "Medium" is actually sweet. "Sweet" is pretty much just syrup. Real dry cider exists, but you'll never find it in supermarkets.

[Anonymous No.19430036]

>>19409130
I like hard cider. Drinking pic related rn. One of my favorite summer beverages

[Anonymous No.19430072]

>>19409130
>Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from?
You literally made it up in your head.

[Anonymous No.19430100]

>>19409130
>Where's the idea that hard cider is a woman's drink come from?
I've never heard this. People need to stop listening to idiots that say retarded shit like this. Anyone can drink whatever they want. If you care about what I'm drinking, you're always the bigger bitch.