/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19383985]

When did veganism take a wrong turn?

[Anonymous No.19383990]

with the very very first woman that decided eating meat was wrong.

[Anonymous No.19383999]

It was always a religion

[Anonymous No.19384001]

>>19383990
that was a man, all men come up with all ideas women are inferior to us, but it was a man who was smart, but veganism is not smart it's stupid, but men are still ingenius while women are dumb whores, but vegans are often libcucks but the one to invent was liberal because liberals don't have good ideas so it was a conservative white man but the idea still wasn't good despite he was white and conservative and man but he showed expertise and knowledge beyond that of a woman even if the idea was bad the idea was likely bad because of something related to women seducing him into something bad even though invention is not bad

[Anonymous No.19384004]

>>19384001
Did a woman teach you how to write and speak?

[Anonymous No.19384010]

>>19383985
thts not honey thats dandelion flavoured molasses, why call that honey?

[Anonymous No.19384011]

Regular honey isn’t vegan? I once met a vegan that ate honey

[Anonymous No.19384014]

>>19384001
retard

[Anonymous No.19384015]

>>19383985
Dandelions are supposedly pretty healthy for you though. I grew up thinking parts of it were poisonous but I learned recently it's not true, you can even make a drink similar to coffee out of it. However adding 5 pounds of sugar to a handful of flowers and calling it honey seems pretty retarded to me.

[Anonymous No.19384017]

>>19384001
That may be the longest, stupidest run-on sentence I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.19384019]

[Anonymous No.19384021]

>>19384001
>me drunk at Thanksgiving

[Anonymous No.19384023]

>>19384011
In the most technical sense, honey is the product of animals. People who are vegans for health reasons probably would be okay with eating it because it's not dairy nor meat. People who are vegans for the environment would probably feel as though it's cruel or draining the environment.

[Anonymous No.19384026]

>>19384011
Asking this question is actually a good way to start vegan infighting. One camp believes that eating all animal products is wrong in itself. The other believes it's only wrong when the animal is directly or indirectly harmed from the animal product's production. This has them agreeing on pretty much everything except for honey which arguably does not hurt the bees to produce.

[Anonymous No.19384029]

>>19384011
Most object to it because veganism means no non-consenting animal products, but some don't care because eating honey is directly beneficial to bees.
>most bees are kept by bee farmers
>those farmers keep them safe from predators and disease
>a European honey bee colony produces more honey than it will ever need
>the money from the harvested honey means the farmer can continue to raise bees and afford more bee colonies

[Anonymous No.19384033]

>>19384004
Could be a woman invented grammar.

[Anonymous No.19384034]

>>19384011
some retard turbovegans have a rigid view of "animal product" and think because honey comes from bees that it's exploiting them or some shit

[Anonymous No.19384036]

>>19384011
It comes from bees so it's an animal product
I had a vegan try to lecture me, do you know how man bees are killed by taking honey!?!
No, how many?
Well its...>:(

Taking honey doesn't hurt bees, bee keepers love their bees in a weird autistic way

[Anonymous No.19384038]

>>19383985
Nothing wrong here; people have been eating dandelion flowers and greens for a long time. I've seen confectionaries made with the flowers too. I have some dandelions outside in the yard that my wife will grab the leaves for to put in a salad.
I was expecting some sort of vegan protein goyslop honestly

[Anonymous No.19384041]

Do you really know any OLD vegan?

[Anonymous No.19384042]

>>19383985
>This honey is golden syrup

[Anonymous No.19384046]

>>19384041
Yeah I used to work with an old vegan guy. He retired. Nice guy, really religious.

[Anonymous No.19384049]

>>19384038
Yeah but children need to rage about hyperinflation l hypothetical vegans.

[Anonymous No.19384052]

>>19384041
My grandmother was until my brother died. She still says she wants to be a vegan when I see her but doesn't know if she'll commit to it.

[Anonymous No.19384060]

ethical vegans thought about the animal welfare thing and came to the conclusion that the most ethical thing to do is to not only be vegan, but try to convert as many people as possible
completely rational thus far
they then promptly decided the most effective way to convert people is to become pissed off screeching pants-shitting retards turn multiple generations of people completely off the idea permanently
and now because of them i have to hide that i'm vegan or risk embarassment

[Anonymous No.19384066]

>>19384011
strictly speaking, yes. But realistically if you go for the reasoning as to why people go vegan (animal harm) then there should be no problems with eating honey

[Anonymous No.19384067]

how do vegans feel about yeast?

[Anonymous No.19384071]

Would vegans be fine with any animal products if the animals were given a more luxurious life than most people before they died?

[Anonymous No.19384074]

>>19384015
it also defeats the purpose of honey. A lot of people use honey as a substitute to industrial sugar as it contains less calories, is sweeter and contains some healthy vitamins as well.

[Anonymous No.19384079]

>>19383985
why do these fucking retards try to reinvent everything, badly? Why don't they just stop being the bad kind of freaks?

[Anonymous No.19384086]

>>19384060
>they then promptly decided the most effective way to convert people is to become pissed off screeching pants-shitting retards turn multiple generations of people completely off the idea permanently

this is really the tragedy of veganism, it's a good idea that a lot of really obnoxious people subscribe to

[Anonymous No.19384092]

>>19384067
Well, considering it's always infecting them, I'd say they lack a positive opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.19384093]

Don't I get basically the same shit if I skip the dandelions? Simmering the flowers for three hours destroys any delicate nutrients they would have had anyway.

[Anonymous No.19384094]

>>19384015
in the uk we have a classic drink called "dandelion and burdock", the fizzy version is fantastic. its not too dissimilar from sarsaparilla, although sarsaparilla is worse

[Anonymous No.19384100]

>>19384067
fungi are fair game

[Anonymous No.19384102]

>>19383985
That’s just syrup though kek

[Anonymous No.19384106]

>>19384036
>Taking honey doesn't hurt bees, bee keepers love their bees in a weird autistic way
This has been true since the invention of agriculture. Every pagan/pre-Christian religion has a deity dedicated solely to bees.

[Anonymous No.19384112]

>>19384060
doesnt help that thanks to growing levels of autism, bad parenting and bad morals, picky eaters can just say "im vegan" or "im allergic" and nobody bats an eyelid

worst bit is, its so bad its normal now, yet they still lie and hide behind that shit

[Anonymous No.19384115]

>>19384106
I love bees in a different autistic sort of way

[Anonymous No.19384120]

>>19384115
Yeah, but that's not as charming or whimsical as regular autistic beekeeping. And I mean "keeping the bees up with current events" level of autistic beekeeping.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telling_the_bees

[Anonymous No.19384124]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CvqmD0CZao
Thread theme

[Anonymous No.19384130]

>>19384124
Real thread theme:
https://youtu.be/On4-4UuKBPU?t=28

[Anonymous No.19384133]

>>19384011
i mostly consider it fine
if the bees don't like being in their box they can just leave
>>19384071
i'd probably still prefer to be vegetarian regardless, but i'd have no problem with eggs/dairy that come from cows/chickens that i know aren't mistreated
the thing is, the biggest issue with veganism for me is that my options for restaurants are limited, making social outings with non-vegans awkward, and i have incredibly limited options for premade stuff, there's next to nothing i can just throw in the oven/microwave and be done with it
in both cases, restaurants and frozen food-type things, i have no idea where the animal products come from and can't verify the conditions they keep their livestock in, only that they're most likely not good and whatever animal welfare-related certifications they may have they're likely only doing the bare minimum to meet, which is probably still not that good
in principle i could buy eggs/dairy from a local source that i've actually visited and verified myself, but that wouldn't solve either of those problems anyway

[Anonymous No.19384139]

>>19384133
>but i'd have no problem with eggs/dairy that come from cows/chickens that i know aren't mistreated
What if it's only verbal abuse?

[Anonymous No.19384140]

It was a mistake giving me access to AI
>>19384130
BEES

[Anonymous No.19384145]

>>19383985
bro that seems toxic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.19384149]

>>19384139
probably better to not needlessly use a harsh tone of voice with them, otherwise yeah you can gaslight them all you want

[Anonymous No.19384159]

>>19384145
>sugar. water. lemons, and dandelions
>toxic
wut

[Anonymous No.19384161]

>>19383985
When bougie retards decided to make a new problem because they don't have any real ones.

[Anonymous No.19384173]

>>19384159
it's not cereal and doesn't come in a box, so he thinks it's bad for him

[Anonymous No.19384174]

>>19384100
fungi are friends :(

[Anonymous No.19384177]

>>19384001
Based poet

[Anonymous No.19384253]

>>19384094
Love dandelion and burdock

[Anonymous No.19384284]

>>19384074
unless you're eating pounds of it daily, the minerals are trace or trivial amounts.

Everything vegans try to replicate normal foods of are just bastardizations of highly processed garbage. Beyond meat? Its an unholy mix of previously whole vegetables, solvents changing their properties to resemble meat. I don't even know what the fuck vegan cheese is. Vegan milk is just pureed nuts or rice. I've never had a vegan alternative and thought "yeah, I'd eat that again".

[Anonymous No.19384290]

>>19384124
>>19384130
This is it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q_dScgX6bk

[Anonymous No.19384296]

>>19384284
>I don't even know what the fuck vegan cheese is.
It's often starch and water with some kind of oil. Has practically no protein like real cheese. I think plant milks can taste good but they still can't substitute real milk.

[Anonymous No.19384299]

>>19384120
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telling_the_bees
that's cute

[Anonymous No.19384302]

>>19384296
I had to switch to oat milk because I guess I'm becoming lactose intolerant now that I'm older, which is apparently not uncommon. It's ok, but it tastes like you're drinking regular milk out of a container you just had oatmeal in and didn't bother washing.

[Anonymous No.19384318]

>>19384049
Veganism is a retarded diet but yeah people on this board seem to fixate on it too much

[Anonymous No.19384323]

>>19384284
>vegan cheese
I think its synthetic coconut oil. Vegan diet is Imo actually quite healthy but these meat and dairy replacements are always disgustingly unhealthy, often probably cancer inducing. And also I cant understand why vegans go crazy for coconut oil or fat because its high in saturated fats and all in all probably one of the most unhealthy cooking oils/fats you can use.

[Anonymous No.19384325]

>>19384094
Oh cool, that sounds really good. Never tried a floral soda

[Anonymous No.19384339]

>>19384323
>And also I cant understand why vegans go crazy for coconut oil or fat
Fats satiate the body much more than carbs or other nutrient sources. Vegans don't eat any animal products which are sources of easy high fat content. So they crave stuff that's a substitute for that

[Anonymous No.19384353]

>>19384323
>Vegan diet is Imo actually quite healthy
shut the fuck up, moron. Its definitely not healthy. When they have to calculate everything they possibly eat and still eat vitamins like popcorn its clearly shit.

I've offered my credit card to a vegan to buy any and all fresh produce and replicate some of the garbage they eat like vegan chicken nuggets, or vegan mayonnaise, they just cannot and they know its made in a lab using toxic chemicals.

[Anonymous No.19384383]

>>19384323
nothing wrong with saturated fat. stop spreading debunked myths

[Anonymous No.19384426]

>>19384339
well they could go for healthy fats and oils like rape seed or olive oil
>>19384383
Explain to me how junk food consists mostly out of saturated fats (and in the USA also trans fats) and how this is good.

[Anonymous No.19384432]

>>19384120
Kept bees before, you kinda just start talking to them out of anxiety at first. After a while you become accustomed to them and friendly in a weird way.

[Anonymous No.19384433]

>>19384426
They're bad because they're dense in calories, easy to consume an insane amount of, and relatively lacking in a balanced macronutrient profile or any micronutrients to speak of. Are you being disingenuous or are you just retarded?

[Anonymous No.19384481]

>>19383985
When did it take a right turn? It does nothing. Veganism is to the left what SUV's are to the right. They only matter for the fragile ego's involved. It's just a form of snobism for the poor.

There are far more pressing issues than veganism is you want to help animals or the planet. Stop buying garbage from Brazil or China for instance. Things like soy, smartphones, laptops, memory sticks, car parts, clothes and toys are far more detrimental. Not in the least because of the filthy container ships that transport this garbage around the globe. Veganism and SUV's are merely a consolation prize for care bears and egotistical maniacs alike. In the end they both buy the same impermanent garbage at too high a price. And that's why neither will ever become a dominant political, philosophical or even moral force. They're perfect examples of people trying to soothe their guilty conscience.

[Anonymous No.19384493]

I get not wanting animal cruelty on your conscience to an extent but not using what nature is literally giving you for free otherwise is goes rancid is just retarded.

[Anonymous No.19384498]

>>19384433
youre retarded. theyre calorie dense exactly because of those saturated fats.

[Anonymous No.19384522]

>>19384426
Olive oil is a very satisfying fat, yes. But people like junk food. And them being vegan doesn't take away that desire.
I think rapeseed oil has an aftertaste that is bitter and anything fried in it has that same aftertaste. Peanut oil is a much better alternative

[Anonymous No.19384523]

>>19384493
>honey
>going rancid
Honey famously never goes rancid. Quite possibly "ever."

[Anonymous No.19384526]

>>19384074
Inverting sugar in dandelion tea accomplishes all of that.

[Anonymous No.19384532]

>>19384526
Agave also accomplishes that, and has the added benefit of not needing to be foraged like a medieval peasant.

[Anonymous No.19384533]

>>19384026
and milk, eggs, and wool, actually

[Anonymous No.19384538]

>>19384532
No, you just pay poorer people to forage it for you, Dumbo.

[Anonymous No.19384539]

>>19384533
Wool? Really? I get milk, eggs, and honey. Even though you might not be harming the animal, there's no direct benefit to them outside of the inherent benefits of domestication, but wool? Don't sheep die if they're not sheared?

[Anonymous No.19384543]

>>19384001
Does your wrangler know you're posting on 4chong? I greatly doubt that you're allowed unsupervised internet access.

[Anonymous No.19384548]

>>19384539
No one said vegans have logical consistency. And yeah, sheep need to be shared every so often or their wool gets matted, dirty and full of bugs and other nasty shit. Vegans don't understand this because they don't understand animals outside of cutesy ideals

[Anonymous No.19384549]

>>19384523
Yeah they found 3000 year old honey a hundred years ago and it was still edible. Try that with the sugar cane dandelion syrup she made.

>Honey that's over 3,000 years old was discovered in King Tut's tomb in 1922. It was still edible! For nearly a century, the 3,000-year-old honey from King Tut's tomb was considered the earliest example of honey ever discovered. Archaeologists excavating the tomb of the pharaoh King Tut in 1922 came upon jars of honey.

[Anonymous No.19384554]

>>19384532
>Agave also accomplishes that, and has the added benefit of not needing to be foraged like a medieval peasant

[Anonymous No.19384560]

>>19384001
You sound like charlie from it's always sunny.

[Anonymous No.19384564]

>>19383985
Veganism is based on moral relativism and is therefor morally wrong

[Anonymous No.19384569]

>>19384560
>You sound
anon is typing, anon

[Anonymous No.19384574]

Dandelion syrup is probably pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.19384576]

>>19384569
You're telling me you don't have to read every post out loud before you're able to understand it? I don't believe it.

[Anonymous No.19384652]

>>19384011
technically speaking, almost all fruit can be classified as not vegan, as they utilize farmed bees to pollinate the fruit.

[Anonymous No.19384657]

>>19384094
I had once Fentiman's dandelion & burdock soda. One of the best flavours I ever had.

[Anonymous No.19384658]

>>19384159
heating it up is the issue, retard

[Anonymous No.19384669]

>>19384652
Do bees naturally do that and does eating the fruit harm the bees in any way? I think that's the difference. Bees don't agree to having their honey taken, but they pollinate on their own.

I'm not vegan, I ate a bunch of honey last night, and I think we can have a mutually beneficial relationship with bees, but I still understand the argument vegans make.

[Anonymous No.19384678]

>>19384533
The issue with milk and eggs for vegans is that it involves forced insemination and then separation of young from their mothers with the young usually then being killed. So it falls into the indirect harm category.

[Anonymous No.19384679]

>>19383985
I'd proly hvae to make dandelion wine to get drunk with just to tolerate a single day that bitch.

[Anonymous No.19384704]

>>19384678
If we had an army of women kept in barns inducing lactation through other means this wouldn't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.19384708]

>>19384669
you can say the same thing about chicken eggs.

[Anonymous No.19384713]

>>19384498
All fats contain 9 calories/g. You could eat food that has 100% of its calories from fat from saturated fat and have a relatively low caloric density. You could have something have virtually no calories from fat, including saturated fat and have a high caloric density. You can't make the simple logic connection and might be autistic. Either that or retarded.

[Anonymous No.19384716]

>>19384001
Nigger Christmas to you and your family and friends of the year and we are going to be a little late for the holidays and I will be there in a few minutes to get there was a lot of fun and not a good time to go to the store and get it to you and the kids are going to be a little late but I can do it tomorrow if you want to come over and get it to you and the kids and I will be there in about the same time as I thought I would be able to get you a beer and a drink and drink some coffee and the other one of the best ones I have to do is a good time to get the rest of the day and I have to go to the store and get it to me and I will be there in about a hour or so to get the rest of the day and then I will be there in about an hour or so to get the rest of the day and then I will be there in about an hour or so to get the rest of the time the rest of the day and then I will be there in about an hour or so to get the rest of the time the rest of the day and then I will be there in about an hour or so to get the rest of the time the court is the best of course I would like to do anything else for you and the airport and then you have the best of pleasure I can come to the office tomorrow morning if you want to come over and get some small led strips for me to get you a beer and a drink and drink some water and I can get it to you if you want to come over and get it to me and I can get you a beer and a drink and drink some water and I can come over the weekend and I'll be driving in a bit of the day of the week of my day off and the weather is good for us too but I don't want the owl to be in the car with the kids and they don't want me there was a little bit longer and I think I have the flu and I think it's cool that I was going through it at least I have to go to the store and I'll be there in about a hour and a hour or two to get the rest of the night and I have to do it again but if it was so hard for the next week or two days I think the last one is a lot.

[Anonymous No.19384736]

>>19384576
>You
You

[Anonymous No.19384741]

>>19384658
>heating it
>vegan stove is gas
>aka fossil fuels
>vegan
umm bros

[Anonymous No.19384743]

>>19384523
Abandoned hives in walls and things like that can cause terrible mold though. I worked in pest control and we did a lot of abandoned hive removal.

[Anonymous No.19384759]

>>19384741
i'm not vegan lol i hope the environment is destroyed

[Anonymous No.19384766]

>>19384759
obv you can't be vegan if your stove, appliances, or car runs on fossil fuels.

[Anonymous No.19384774]

>>19384766
fuck the environment i hope all poc inherit a destroyed earth

[Anonymous No.19384782]

cheap honey is basically just HFCS, it's vegan

[Anonymous No.19384822]

>>19384173
It is multiple cups of sugar in a little bit of water lmao

[Anonymous No.19384989]

>>19384060
false flag attack by the meat industry bro, they install these actors to instigate this shit. you really think those protests are organic? (lol)

[Anonymous No.19385027]

>>19384011
The same people telling you to eat bugs instead of meat are the same people telling you not to eat honey because it's cruel to bees

[Anonymous No.19385037]

>>19384115
>>19384140
uoh

[Anonymous No.19385049]

>>19384822
doesn't mean it's "toxic". you could have made what was in the OP hundreds of years ago.

[Anonymous No.19385055]

>>19384564
>moral relativism
What's that? I don't want to google but hear from your own words.

[Anonymous No.19385072]

>>19385055
he's just an assmad incel using words he heard from jordan peterson, in addition to being mad that there's people out there that care about animal's wellbeings

[Anonymous No.19385082]

>>19385072
How do you get convinced of an argument to the point you'd turn to violence to defend it but can't define all the parts clearly?
I'm all wishy washy with most things because I really can't be arsed to get actually well informed and read up things thoroughly enough to snap at people that think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19385113]

>>19385082
>How do you get convinced of an argument to the point you'd turn to violence to defend it but can't define all the parts clearly?
you spend 16 hours/day every day on this site and have your sense of reality and dichotomies of the world utterly distorted

[Anonymous No.19385315]

>>19384323
0 out of 2

[Anonymous No.19385327]

>>19385049
It does though. Just like honey, which is "antibacterial", this concentration of sugar is deadly. Not to humans, because there's not enough of it

[Anonymous No.19385338]

I used to be vegan but I still ate honey because (other than bees) who gives a shit about the wellbeing of bugs?

[Anonymous No.19385341]

>>19383990
there are literal thousands-year old religions about being vegetarian
men invented vegetarianism and veganism
just like they invented everything else
deal with it roastie

[Anonymous No.19385379]

>>19385327
if you're consuming honey for its "antibacterial" properties only, then you've already lost perspective of the argument

[Anonymous No.19385396]

>>19384001
>>19384716
Confirmed bot post?

[Anonymous No.19385403]

>>19384015
It's just a dandelion flavoured syrup, the only bad thing about is that the idiot who made that video calls it "vegan honey" when it clearly isn't.

[Anonymous No.19385412]

>>19384766
Fossil fuels weren't made from animals.

[Anonymous No.19385432]

>>19384011
Honey is produced by bee slavery, you monster.

[Anonymous No.19385446]

>>19384001
I'm not happy I was able to follow the ideas you were putting out in your post.

[Anonymous No.19385456]

>>19384539
Sheep will die if not sheared, but they've been bred to make that the case. Which means vegans implicitly want all sheep to die.

[Anonymous No.19385488]

>>19385049
>you could have made what was in the OP hundreds of years ago.

Fucking LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCKt02NGjfM&ab_channel=DiscoveryUK

Imagine watching this video and thinking the sugar that she STRAIGHT UP FUCKING DUMPED INTO THAT SHIT was possible hundreds of years ago.

[Anonymous No.19385494]

>>19384554
Why is he larping? Just wear normal fucking clothes ffs.

[Anonymous No.19385532]

>>19385412
UMM DINOSAUR BROS OUR RESPONSE??

[Anonymous No.19385557]

it went to shit when freelee and durianrider broke up

[Anonymous No.19385574]

why are people even vegan? all around my house are sheep fields. they seem fine/not suffering. is it because they're killed?

veganism just seems like such suffering to me. I had roast lamb shank last night it was SO good, sucking the marrow out, chewing on the cartilige, it's sticky, fatty, meaty.

[Anonymous No.19385583]

>>19383985
Literally died when that bitch added the sugar.
>>19384015
>However adding 5 pounds of sugar to a handful of flowers and calling it honey seems pretty retarded to me.
And unhealthy. Isn't veganism supposed to be moral (it isn't but whatever) AND healthy?
That recipe was total nonsense. But yeah the base idea of using dandelions was good.
>>19384038
>Nothing wrong here
kys
>>19384481
Utterly and Unfathomably Based.
>>19384564
True. But not only. It's also inefficient. To feed vegans, industrial culture is necessary, killing animals, and contradicting themselves. But since it's invisible (because you don't witness a falcon dying of not finding a rat not finding worms etc) they don't give a fuck and just think they don't kill cows like those meat eaters, so they're better.
>>19384001
kys for real.

[Anonymous No.19385610]

>>19385574
>they seem fine/not suffering. is it because they're killed?
I think it's more of an issue with factory farming. Those animals have terrible lives. But yes, the killing is still a problem. Killing might be natural, but that doesn't mean it's good. Most things don't want to die, unless they're sick or suffering in some way.

[Anonymous No.19385615]

>>19385338
I think it's okay to care about any living thing.

[Anonymous No.19385621]

>>19384708
Might depend if the eggs are fertilized or not.

[Anonymous No.19385629]

>>19384290
nah this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=havhaDYh0Sc

[Anonymous No.19385637]

>>19385072

[Anonymous No.19385647]

>>19383985
What part of this is bad? That’s about the same amount in as honey.

[Anonymous No.19385687]

>>19383985
When they started trying to make vegan versions of non-vegan foods rather than just making normal food using vegetables. There are many cultures around the world that have centuries if not millennia of experience cooking dishes that don't use animal products - India and Sikh culture in particular could easily supply someone with a lifetime of great vegan dishes - and no one would really care, either. It's when they start doing weird shit like making mushroom meat or dandelion honey that they get into retard territory.

[Anonymous No.19385704]

>>19383985
Why do ketofags and "carnivores" always drink coffee? Could it be because they know their diet is deficient in carbs so they have to make up for their lack of energy by consuming tubs of stimulants and artificial sweeteners daily?

[Anonymous No.19385719]

>>19385687
>When they started trying to make vegan versions of non-vegan foods
It's good for someone who grew up on an American diet. Not shit like the impossible burger but say, eating a plant-based alternative to meat-centric dishes like black bean burgers are a good way to get that same taste you loved (or even better) with vegan ingredients. Shit like "vegan steak" and "vegan pork" where they try to replicate the meat itself is weird and nasty, though. So many already meat-optional dishes like pastas, soups, sandwiches and salads can easily be vegan anyway just by leaving out the meat/dairy.

[Anonymous No.19385723]

>>19384021
good post

[Anonymous No.19385770]

>>19383985
Mmmmmm pesticide paste.

[Anonymous No.19385794]

>>19383985
It's not like dandelion jams are a new thing, cramailotte has been around for centuries.

[Anonymous No.19385807]

>>19385704
So true sista. Ive been thriving on a steady carb only diet of corn flakes and rice for the past 3 months and I feel better than ever.
Keto's obviously a conspiracy to keep you weak and frail.

[Anonymous No.19385811]

>>19385719
>eating a plant-based alternative to meat-centric dishes like black bean burgers are a good way to get that same taste you loved (or even better)

[Anonymous No.19385850]

>>19384011
vegans cant even decide what's vegan or not
honey is vegan because it doesnt harm the animals, just like with eggs or milk.
but you get the occasional inner-city mouthbreathing pollution-huffer who will make shit up just to feel superior to people around them on social media
also most vegans arent in it to save anything, they just do it for attention and social media likes
t.i live with a vegan who eats cheese, fish and eggs all the time, but considers herself vegan because she buys vegan mayo

[Anonymous No.19385853]

>>19385615
Okay, and that's fine, but myself personally I don't care about the beetle that went into making the dye that makes my juice blue

[Anonymous No.19385890]

>>19384001
>but but but but but but but but
What the fuck is your problem, are you memeing?

[Anonymous No.19385902]

>>19385687
India has a high number of vegetarians, not vegans. They still use dairy, most notably ghee. One of the reasons cows are considered sacred is because they provide milk.

Which raises the question, why did vegetarianism never take off but veganism did? Vegetarianism has been a thing for thousands of years, it's much more nutritionally complete and there are cultures which have developed actual vegetarian dishes (rather than just taking a meat/dairy dish and using artificial replacements. It did become more widespread during a period in the 20th century, but it never really got anywhere near as much traction as veganism has done in recent years. Is it simply because vegans are more militant than vegetarians, and their autistic screeching has forced society to change more?

[Anonymous No.19385911]

>>19385850
>it doesnt harm the animals, just like with eggs or milk
You have to constantly force cows to give birth to produce milk. I don't disagree with your overall point but don't make shit up

[Anonymous No.19385937]

>>19385911
That's more a problem with how the industry treats cattle, not necessarily the actual milk itself. If you were to rear your own cattle, you could theoretically produce "ethical" milk.

[Anonymous No.19385942]

>>19385853
I know not everyone feels the way I do. But I think if it's not necessary to kill something, then it probably shouldn't be killed.

[Anonymous No.19385956]

>>19385902
Vegetarianism did take off, however veganism is better because eggs give you cholesterol issues and 80% of the world's population (it even happens to white people as they get older) is lactose intolerant. Chances are if you cut out dairy, you'll notice inflammation, bloating, gastro issues and bodily pain go down whether or not you also eat meat.

[Anonymous No.19385958]

>>19385937
It doesn't strike me as "ethical" to constantly subject to a cow to that in general

[Anonymous No.19385961]

>>19385958
I say as a meat-eater, what am I even talking about?

[Anonymous No.19385965]

>>19385807
Corn flakes and rice are literally better for you than your schizo diet of aspartame, coffee and 5 hour energy

[Anonymous No.19385972]

>>19384011
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.19385985]

>>19385958
It's only really "unethical" if you're trying to absolutely maximise milk production and inseminating the cow as soon as it's had it's previous calf. And of course, on most farms they'd sell off any male calves to be reared for meat or just straight up killing them because they're not financially viable. If you were to buy your own cows and provide them with a good quality of life, it would be no less ethical than owning a pet.

[Anonymous No.19385989]

>>19385985
Alright fair, but it's not the most realistic

[Anonymous No.19385994]

>>19385956
Vegetarianism had a boom in the 80s/90s, but it was never close to the levels that veganism has reached. Even in the 00s, supermarkets would have like one brand of vegetarian food and restaurants would have one vegetarian option on the menu. Nowadays, you get a huge range of vegan alternatives and restaurants will have an entire vegan menu.

[Anonymous No.19385995]

>>19385985
Then you wouldn't be getting that much dairy. If it weren't for the constant foreful insemination of cows by humans (which is bestiality btw) the amount of dairy the average person consumed would go down by at least 90% since cows don't get pregnant that often naturally

[Anonymous No.19385997]

>honey isn't already vegan
wtf is wrong with vegans?

[Anonymous No.19386009]

>>19384120
I find the thought of a /pol/ beekeeper going
>it's time to tell the bees it was the Jews
extremely funny.

[Anonymous No.19386017]

>>19385997
Honey is bee puke and a facet of their reproductive process, why would it be vegan? And why be insistent on eating honey when most sweet foods are already vegan by nature
>Most fruit
>Maple syrup
>Agave nectar
>Molasses

[Anonymous No.19386026]

>>19385902
>India has a high number of vegetarians, not vegans. They still use dairy, most notably ghee. One of the reasons cows are considered sacred is because they provide milk.
Don't be a smartass, you little faggot. The only thing needed to make those recipes vegan is to use a different cooking oil, which is a far lesser substitution than trying to turn beans and gums into something that tastes like chicken.

[Anonymous No.19386027]

>>19386017
>why would it be vegan?
Because there's no suffering involved

[Anonymous No.19386029]

>>19385995
Artificial insemination has only really become common place in the last century, throughout most of human history cows would have been naturally inseminated. And sure, if farmers started treating dairy cows relied on natural insemination and inseminated the cows less frequently, the amount of milk produced would decrease significantly, probably to the point where they would need to increase the price of milk by several magnitudes to break even. But the point was that milk itself is not inherently unethical. The same can be said for other animal products that don't involve killing the animal (such as wool, honey and eggs).

[Anonymous No.19386033]

>>19386027
Being vegan means eating no animal products, honey is an animal product, thus honey isn't vegan

[Anonymous No.19386037]

>>19385911
>You have to constantly force cows to give birth to produce milk
no you dont
after thousands of years of selective breeding a milking cow will just produce milk endlessly regardless
it actually causes them more harm not milking them, as not milking a cow will eventually kill it

[Anonymous No.19386038]

>>19383985
Veganism is retarded, vegetarianism is understandable. I think no meat + honey + eggs + milk + fish can be healthy

[Anonymous No.19386047]

>>19386038
>no meat
>fish

[Anonymous No.19386048]

>>19384001
Now THIS is why i come here

[Anonymous No.19386053]

>>19384094
>in the uk

Stopped reading there. You guys really have no place on this board

[Anonymous No.19386058]

>>19386026
It's not just ghee being used as a cooking oil, they also use butter, cream, paneer and milk in a ton of different recipes. They have some dishes that are vegan, but the entire society hasn't been raised on a strict vegan diet.

Plus there's the fact that most of the people eating these shitty vegan substitutes are often people who can't cook themselves or simply haven't exposed themselves to other cuisines that have a lower reliance on meat and dairy.

[Anonymous No.19386067]

>>19386029
I guess you could be an "(somewhat) ethical vegetarian" if you literally only ate unfertilized eggs when they plopped out of a hen that you otherwise left alone and didn't kill, but stealing milk away from baby cows takes food away from the young calf it was meant for. At that point the dairy you'd be consuming would be so little, you'd be effectively vegan for years at a time anyway. Animal agriculture progressed to this point not by accident but because people since the dawn of agriculture have had a desire to more quickly and effectively consume animals and their reproductive byproducts, it's not an accident that it has ended in inhumane conditions.

[Anonymous No.19386093]

>>19386017
But fucking why though? Whats the virtue? Are they worried about the suffering of the bees or something? They're insects man. I mean at some point its like, ok, what about the plants? What about the suffering of the plants?

[Anonymous No.19386108]

>>19386093
>What about the suffering of the plants?
It might not be an important topic right now but I'd imagine at some point it would be. Jain religion already considered that an issue.

[Anonymous No.19386111]

>>19386067
Modern dairy cows have been selectively bred to produce more milk than they "need to", so you'd be able to give the calf what it needs and still have a extra for your own consumption. And cows generally produce more milk when they are not stressed, so you have an incentive to give them a good quality of life.

And the way you wrote
>if you literally only ate unfertilized eggs when they plopped out of a hen that you otherwise left alone and didn't kill
makes it sound like it would be some extremely complicated process. Literally all you would have to do is buy the hens and not buy a rooster that would fuck them all.

[Anonymous No.19386124]

>>19386058
I understand that your autism is forcing you to act like this, but please try to understand that the point isn't about whether or not there are vegan dishes from India (there are, and quite a lot of them at that) but that there exist tens of thousands of dishes that either are vegan or become vegan with the simple removal of dairy.

[Anonymous No.19386129]

>>19386093
Plants don't have pain receptors or a brain, so they can't suffer like animals.

[Anonymous No.19386167]

>>19386124
And like I mentioned in my second paragraph, the reason people don't opt to cook these proper vegan dishes is because they simply aren't used to eating that food. If you've grown up your entire life eating nothing but burgers and chicken nuggets, then you decide to convert to veganism, you'll be at a loss for what to eat and probably gravitate towards vegan burgers and vegan nuggets because it's what you're already familiar with. I'm not saying these people are right to do this, but that's how a lot of people act.

[Anonymous No.19386173]

>>19386129
Ok but the things we've done to plants in the name of agriculture is pretty horrifying to think of if you were that particular plant species. We've bred entire species into genetic dead ends. Their evolutionary path has been forever altered, and left uncompetitive in any real world survival scenario. Might not be suffering, per se, but its basically the same. We took an organism out of its natural habitat and bent it's evolution to our will, rendering it a dead species essentially kept alive only so that we can stuff it into our mouths.

[Anonymous No.19386188]

>>19386129
Plants still react to damage and stress. It might not be suffering or pain, but it's still life reacting.

[Anonymous No.19386189]

>>19386093
>They're insects man. I mean at some point its like, ok, what about the plants?
Can a plant high-five you? No? Exactly.
https://youtube.com/shorts/gEMPLrWh35g

[Anonymous No.19386195]

>>19386173
That's not really any more horrifying than taking humans out of their natural habitat, forcing them to live in cities and raising them in such a way that they have practically zero practical survival skills.

[Anonymous No.19386199]

>>19386173
True, it's a good thing plants aren't sentient so they can't understand any of this.

[Anonymous No.19386201]

Veganism is immoral.
Can some vegan scumbag atempt to explain how it's a moral ideology.

[Anonymous No.19386208]

>>19386195
>zero practical survival skills.
You mean like catching fish, hunting animals, making use of their various parts for nourishment, clothing, tools, etc. those sorts of survival skills?

No I know, theres that and then there is factory farming.

I just wouldn't worry to much about the bees though. I just wouldn't. I worry that they are going to go extinct, not that we are keeping them in inhumane conditions.

[Anonymous No.19386213]

>>19386188
They react to stimuli, but it's not comparable to suffering or pain since that requires sentience. Ultimately you have to draw the line somewhere. Many people draw the line at human suffering, while others draw the line at animal suffering.

[Anonymous No.19386218]

>>19386208
Forcing humans to wageslave all their life is no different from factory farming.

[Anonymous No.19386221]

>>19386199
By this logic you could eat women.

[Anonymous No.19386222]

>>19386201
Let's say you live in a bunker. You can't get out and your only companion is a dog.
You have enough canned food to last 70 years.
Would it be wrong to strangle the dog and eat it because it's yummy?

[Anonymous No.19386227]

>>19386218
In that its really not that bad and kind of a necessary evil?

[Anonymous No.19386233]

>>19386227
No it's very bad and you've been tricked by your owners into think it is necessary.

[Anonymous No.19386235]

[Anonymous No.19386236]

>>19384658
Heating it up? You mean how things have been sanitized and sterilized for fucking ages?

[Anonymous No.19386255]

>>19386235
KaaaYek dubs deadass!

[Anonymous No.19386266]

>>19386255
>KaaaYek dubs deadass!
english please?

[Anonymous No.19386330]

>>19386222
If that canned food makes you sick because it's almost devoid of nutrition, missing essential nutrients and more then no, it wouldn't be wrong. I would cut that little puppers throat, let it bleed out and collect the blood to drink, preserve the meat and intestines in a freezer or in jars to make high meat, make bone broth out of it's bones and a coat out of it's fur and skin. With all this animal nutrition i will live on for much longer and eventually get out. Meanwhile the vegtard is dead, rotting in his bunker and ironically getting eaten by the dog.

[Anonymous No.19386335]

To be honest, I'm not vegan because I don't really have compassion for animals. I think logically the arguments for veganism make a lot of sense (although I am a bit wary of the long term health consequences). We use, exploit, and kill animals for money, pleasure, makeup and for food when we don't really need to. We could change these systems so that animals aren't born into them, only to be exploited and then killed.

But I think, I just don't really care. I don't really like animals. I occasionally will kill animals just for a sort of autistic curiosities sake. For example a few days ago I grabbed a crab and tore it's legs off just to see what it would do, and then I stomped on it. I really REaLLY dislike dogs as well so when vegans say well we wouldn't treat dogs like we do sheep/cows/etc, my response is basically to think we fucking should. I hate them.

Vegans have a lot of compassion. I think thats a good thing. But for me, I don't. I wasn't born like that so I wont be vegan. Vegans think to themselves, "I wouldn't like it if I was a cow", or they put themselves in the animals shoe and think how bad it would be. But why don't you just NOT do that in your head? Don't put yourself in the perspective of the animal and then there's no problem. because it's just a mental thing in your head you're doing. nobody actually knows what it's like to be a cow or sheep or whatever. it's just human imaginings. they could just be automatons. like animal p-zombie's, nothing going on inside.

but even if there is, well who cares? they may suffer but I don't feel it, and I don't care about them. so why would I be vegan? I'd give up all the good foods for the imagined suffering of creatures I mostly can't stand or am indifferent towards.

[Anonymous No.19386342]

>>19386266
Stuff it gramps! Frfr!

[Anonymous No.19386346]

>>19386335
Vegans are dumb and completely ignore the millions of small animals murdered just to grow and farm the soy that they jack off over so much, but birds and groundhogs aren't le heckin cute so it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.19386351]

>>19386346
well to be fair most soy is grown to feed cows so those little field critters die either way. pretty sure they are clear felling the amazon to plant soy to feed cows to grow chinas population

[Anonymous No.19386353]

>>19386335
I think having empathy for animals correlates with having empathy for humans. Usually animal abusers exhibit violent behaviors towards other humans as well. If you can't feel empathy when you get a glimpse of how animals live in factories, you probably also won't feel empathy when you see people homeless, starving or in destitute working conditions. It's the type of myopic, individualistic, sociopathic "don't care cuz it's not me lul" attitude that the current world fosters that keeps these conditions unchanging because people are encouraged to be antisocial and apathetic towards others' misfortune and to be alienated and isolated from each other. This definitely correlates with the shrugging attitude of people towards the current condition of animals.

[Anonymous No.19386355]

I'm not vegan but I take b12 supplements (no real reason not to since they are water soluble and don't cause harm in excess). I eat meat, fruits, and vegetables. I'm somewhat less concerned about taking iron supplements.

[Anonymous No.19386367]

>>19386353
>you probably also won't feel empathy when you see people homeless, starving or in destitute working conditions. It's the type of myopic, individualistic, sociopathic "don't care cuz it's not me lul" attitude that the current world fosters that keeps these conditions unchanging because people are encouraged to be antisocial and apathetic towards others' misfortune and to be alienated and isolated from each other.
How do you feel about the people that donated millions of dollars to BLM Global Network only for none of that money to be used to help homeless, starving or destitute Black people of color?
This lack of sympathy you speak of does not occur in a vacuum.

[Anonymous No.19386380]

>>19384001

[Anonymous No.19386383]

>>19386367
Are you saying that people only don't care because they feel their empathy would be taken advantage of if they acted on it? Donating to a shady charity and not buying something are two different things. Stopping consuming meat and dairy would end the industry entirely. Being vegan doesn't really require any activism except for people who want to spread the word, if no one consumed meat and dairy the industries would cease to exist.

[Anonymous No.19386384]

>>19385890
That's shitposting, anon. What are you, a newfag or something?

[Anonymous No.19386395]

>>19386383
If we ended the meat and dairy industry, then the animal populations would explode, and then the resources would dwindle, causing those same animals to starve and die.
Also, in some countries, animals are not killed for food but because their existence is perceived as detrimental to either the economy or to global warming.

[Anonymous No.19386405]

>>19386395
It's much better to end it there than to keep breeding certain populations of animals solely to live lives of rape, constant pregnancy, isolation, torture and ultimately death in factories. Factory farming and deforestation has much more to do with global warming than local animal populations and the fact that some are killed as they live in whatever wilderness is left on earth has nothing to do with the meat/dairy industry.

[Anonymous No.19386409]

>>19386405
So basically despite pretending to care about animals, you don't really care about whether they live or die. Got it, Mr. Vegan

[Anonymous No.19386417]

>>19384001
I love this post.

[Anonymous No.19386419]

>>19386409
Yeah sorry, saying "b-but animals die in nature too, GOTCHA VEGAN!" doesn't work, you would not last 2 seconds in a real debate. Veganism is about preventing animal suffering at the hands of humans, which includes animal torture, rape and death. Vegans aren't trying to kill or eradicate carnivorous animals because they kill and eat other animals, but rather, they want to reduce the harm of animals by humans. Animals dying in nature is just nature, and animal populations fluctuate (and go extinct) constantly without the help of humans. That doesn't mean factory farming isn't cruel, or that we shouldn't stop doing it because it's something we inflict on animals.

[Anonymous No.19386422]

>>19386419
So what about when animals are killed by humans NOT for food but to prevent global warming?

[Anonymous No.19386427]

>>19386353
>I think having empathy for animals correlates with having empathy for humans.

Well the overwhelming majority of the world isn't vegan. and I would say also that the overwhelming majority of people have empathy towards animals. it may not be the very strict vegan empathy of "don't interact with animals at all or consume or use anything made of them", but most people have empathy for animals. they want to see habitats preserved, they look after their pets, they even care about farm animal welfare to an extent. currently in my country there is an egg shortage because they changed the rules around egg housing making it better for the chickens, so now there's less eggs. People are more pissed off the farmers didn't plan for this instead of thinking we should go back to those battery cages. But more to the point from what I've seen of vegans is a LACK of empathy towards other humans. just looks at how they act when someone leaves veganism. it's absolute HATRED. did you see that cosmic skeptic guy eat meat again? vegans were saying he's scum, he should die, he's a an abusing piece of shit. he even said it was for health reasons but they didn't care. it seems like vegans privilige animal lives over humans. I mean it's basically inbuilt in the ideology - we stop eating foods which are nutritious for humans so the animals benefit. that's anti-human in my book and lacks compassion for humans. I don't want to eat fucking beans and vegetables all my life. that's fucking gross. but vegans say we should becuase the suffering of animals is more important than the humans who would suffer nourishing their bodies with foods they don't want to eat.

[Anonymous No.19386438]

>>19386427
Have you considered eating bugs?
If we were to only eat bugs, then no animals, vegetables, or fruits would be harmed ever again by humans. I also think we would be a lot happier if we had fewer possessions. I would enjoy a world where we owned nothing. We would be happy.

[Anonymous No.19386454]

>>19386353
>It's the type of myopic, individualistic, sociopathic "don't care cuz it's not me lul" attitude that the current world fosters that keeps these conditions unchanging because people are encouraged to be antisocial and apathetic towards others' misfortune and to be alienated and isolated from each other.

But that's the thing right. to me everyone has a sort of circle of empathy, people and things and animals they care about. for some people it's very small, even just themselves. to others it's massive, including complete strangers, homeless drug addicts, criminals, random other races on the other side of the world, and vegans even include random anonymous farm animals they don't know will never see or meet.

the problem is vegans say "my circle of empathy it the correct moral attitude and anyone whose circle is smaller is an abusing piece of shit who exploits and kills and bla bla". It's just so arrogant and seems like a sort of malfunction of empathy to me. why should I care about random people, homeless schizos, poor africans I'll never meet, or farm animals?

The way I see it I didn't make the world, I didn't cause that persons problem, I didn't set up massive farming corporations, I don't make laws. So why is it my responsibility? I'm not responsible for the world.

veganism is kind of like all those global mega corporations polluting the oceans with megatons of oil and plastic waste and then some guy on the street saying you're a bad person for using a plastic straw.

[Anonymous No.19386457]

>>19386422
I don't see how killing wild animals could help prevent global warming since burning of fossil fuels, deforestation and factory farming are the main contributers. But for the sake of scenario, what you said is bad, but not nearly as bad as factory farming nor does it have much to do with it. I don't understand what this point is trying to prove. Killing an animal when you can prevent it is bad.

[Anonymous No.19386463]

serious question: is fossil collecting vegan?

I mean technically vegans saying owning leather isn't vegan, so what about fossils? I got fossil bones on my wall cabinet is that vegan? technically I'm using animal bodies/remains for my own pleasure. I like looking at them so I suppose I exploit their deaths for my own sense pleasure.

[Anonymous No.19386469]

>>19386457
>wild animals
Only you are talking about "wild" animals. In many European countries, they kill food animals to prevent global warming, and the flesh is left to rot.

[Anonymous No.19386473]

>>19386469
Because there's a production of "food animals" in the first place, the solution is to just not produce them

[Anonymous No.19386480]

>>19386473
>Because there's a production of "food animals" in the first place, the solution is to just not produce them
So the solution is to not let cows, dogs, chickens, and pigs exist.

[Anonymous No.19386484]

>>19384015
In fairness there are flowers that are bad for you and look similar to dandelions.

[Anonymous No.19386493]

>>19386480
Most people dont eat dogs and there are now feral populations of chickens that came from domesticated chickens being released back into the wild. Possible extinction is not a reason to continue factory farming animals for human consumption as a) we could keep populations alive by other means, b) most populations like chickens manage to survive anyway and c) species extinction is a part of nature that would happen with or without human intervention

[Anonymous No.19386500]

>>19386493
>c) species extinction is a part of nature that would happen with or without human intervention
So ultimately, there is no real reason to be a vegan because it's just pointless in the end.

[Anonymous No.19386514]

>>19386500
No? You seem to not understand the meaning or purpose of veganism. It's to end animal suffering and death by the hands of humans. Like I said, vegans aren't out to eradicate carnivorous species or control animal populations, they want to reduce the harm of animals by humans. How is that so hard for you to understand?

[Anonymous No.19386527]

>>19386463
specifically from an ethical vegan standpoint, the only one anyone cares about, the question is whether or not you knowingly caused whatever horrible death that animal had or are knowingly contributing to more animals having similar horrible deaths in the future
buying a new leather couch would not be ethical, as you're giving money to the people that made the leather and creating demand for more, but i wouldn't say buying a leather couch second-hand isn't ethical, the original manufacturers aren't getting anything from that exchange
as for fossils, as long as you didn't buy a fake fossil made from a modern animal, you're in the clear

[Anonymous No.19386532]

>>19384533
It depends. Commercially produced milk and eggs typically involve abuse of the animals in some way.
Unless you have your own cow and chickens or source them from a trustworthy farm, it is safer for a vegan to ignore them.

[Anonymous No.19386588]

>>19386527
>the question is whether or not you knowingly caused whatever horrible death that animal had or are knowingly contributing to more animals having similar horrible deaths in the future

wait then is driving a car vegan? if honey isn't vegan because bees, then surely it's worse to drive a car. I just did a big road trip fucking 100's of bugs splattered all over my bumper, and I accidently hit a hare. I mean I could say it's entirely accidental these deaths, but is it? I KNOW that driving kills bugs and in my life I probably hit like 10 animals (birds etc) so I KNOW it's a concequence of driving, animals dying, so I wonder do vegans consider driving vegan?

seems just like basically nothing is "truly" vegan, so why even bother? all kinds of animals are killed to make vegan food and hell just walking round probably crushes tonnes of bugs.

or is it just factory farming that's the issue? but then vegans don't eat backyard eggs or honey? what about wild caught fish? if it's death that matters wouldn't it actually be better to only eat apex predators, becuase if they die then all the prey they'd eat in their lifetimes would be saved? for example you could just eat tonnes of tuna. think off all the little fish that would be saved.

I mean if vegans are against killing and suffering then basically the animals in the wild are a far bigger issue. the natural world is basically a zero-sum death battle with predation, disease, all manner of parasitism and suffering. on that basis it's probably better to be born as a sheep at least the farmer protects you to a degree. I mean are hotels vegan? you stay in a hotel guess what they use pest managment. poison, traps etc. and caring for the environment means killing pests, even killing cats, doing poison drops, shooting etc.

dunno it all just kind of seems incoherent

[Anonymous No.19386605]

>>19385850
>agriculture doesn't harm the environment
>low density living doesn't harm the environment
Just accept that for human flourishing, changing the environment is necessary.

[Anonymous No.19386611]

>>19383985
She doesn't say anything about being vegan in this vid she just gives a weird recipe for honey made from dandelions.

[Anonymous No.19386721]

>>19385583
>Eating plants that grow in the ground naturally and isn't processed goyslop is wrong
Yep, it's retarded. Go eat your nuggies

[Anonymous No.19386739]

>>19386721
Exactly
>80% of my diet is fruit and veggies that don't even need to be cooked
>Other 20% is lentils, beans, bread and rice
>Nonvegans tell me veganism is "processed" meanwhile dairy is the definition of processed and they have to cook their meat for an hour to make sure it doesnt have parasites and then slather plants and herbs all over it to make it taste good
>Most processed junkfood like deli meats, burgers, hotdogs and chicken nuggets are nonvegan

[Anonymous No.19386759]

I would be willing to consider veganism if they had food that vaguely resembled the greasy omnivore food that I like, e.g. fried chicken, bacon, tendies, mac and cheese, lard, tallow, and pizza

[Anonymous No.19386765]

>>19386759
I think that's what shit like the impossible burger and beyond meat are trying to achieve, but everytime they come out with something like that you've got meat eaters whining about how gross it is that it even exists, so it's a double edged sword

[Anonymous No.19386793]

>>19386765
If it doesn't taste very good and cost 10 times as much as the real thing is there even a point?

[Anonymous No.19386803]

>>19386793
Maybe you need to try deep frying it in crisco

[Anonymous No.19386807]

>>19383985
>this honey didnt come from bees
Watered down caramel isnt honey, what a dumb whore

[Anonymous No.19386833]

>>19383985
she uses somethin from some animal

[Anonymous No.19386839]

>>19384102
so would every single other thing you could possibly conceive to be fake honey you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.19386859]

>>19383985
>"This honey doesn't come from bees"
>Comes from sugar which is unethically sourced
This is stupid as hell

[Anonymous No.19386888]

>>19386236
You're retarded if you think everything organic that's "heated up" instantly becomes edible.

Retards be like: it came from the ground/wood/natural source therefore it is healthy
Meanwhile hundreds of plants are poisonous, many chemicals found in plants react with heating to become toxic, airborne wood particulates cause cancer...

[Anonymous No.19386891]

>>19384010
Because like with all other food they won't eat, they still need to imitate it.

[Anonymous No.19386927]

>>19383985
We did this too in the village but it was called dandelion honey.
But you are supposed to cook the flowers not just let them soak.
It was the greatest thing in winter on a sore throat.

[Anonymous No.19386935]

>>19384001

[Anonymous No.19386948]

>>19384011
Honey being vegan is a debate amongst the vegan community
t. someone who has spoken to numerous vegans at yoga and kava bars

[Anonymous No.19386951]

>>19384033
no wonder english grammar is so retarded

[Anonymous No.19387065]

>>19385412
>Fossil fuels weren't made from animals.

[Anonymous No.19387080]

>>19386484
all flowers are bad for you to injest.

[Anonymous No.19387082]

>>19383985
>dandelion tea
>add as much sugar
>boil until even more gross
wall ah

[Anonymous No.19387272]

>>19386888
Dandelions are factually not toxic, with or without heat, so nothing you just matters. You're a fucking retard. Just admit you made a stupid post instead of continously doubling down.

[Anonymous No.19387276]

>>19383985
When they took a stand against Chicken Eggs. It makes absolutely no sense to protest Chicken Eggs. The eggs are not fertile unless there is a cock. You are not denying any chicken's lives by eating them as chicken egg farmer is going to mix a cock in with their hens. It's just incredibly silly thought. Also the animal itself would be extinct without human farming at this point as predators would easily murder them all. There is no wild chickens anymore really. So either they want chickens to die off as a species by protesting it, or they are just incredibly stupid and don't understand how fertilization of eggs work.

[Anonymous No.19387279]

>>19386033
So if I run over a cute little squirrel trying its best to navigate the white man's world, bring it home, and use its decreasingly cute little body as kindling to make dandelion tea, the tea would still be vegan?

[Anonymous No.19387379]

>>19384323
>why vegans go crazy for coconut oil or fat
because they are always calorie starved.
every vegan I have worked with ate all day at work. usually lots of nuts.

[Anonymous No.19387411]

>>19384001
This, unironically

[Anonymous No.19387427]

>>19384023
>> would probably feel as though it's cruel or draining the environment.

which is beyond stupid, because the bees are getting safe, optimal habitation, care, and serve as pollinators to the surrounding greenery. There are few more eco-friendly farming occupations than bee-keeping.

But you are right, these people would feel that way, completely against facts.

[Anonymous No.19387436]

>>19385072
fuck you
>>19385055
moral relativism is the idea that right and wrong are relative: right and wrong are determined by a person's cultural, social, ethnic, etc. background
It's why judges give a pass to muslims who rape and murder people in the West
"They don't know better"
Such bullshit
Morality is not relative or subjective
Good is the energy spent to organize and build, repair, and heal
Evil is the energy spent to break, scatter, and ruin
These are objective qualities of the universe
Veganism states that some life is greater than other life
All life is equal, vegans are relativists and wrong

[Anonymous No.19387442]

>>19387279
Dunno about cute little squirrels but just how many animals get "harvested" alongside with sugarcane or sugar beetroot for all that sugar?

[Anonymous No.19387471]

>>19387442
What does /ck/ know about pesticides in coffee? I never see people talk about it unless I search for it. I've heard in south America they can use whatever agents they want that are illegal in the first world.

[Anonymous No.19387485]

>>19384001
this is the kind of post i miss being a normal thing on the site. just real fucking psycho hours. just some fucking uhhh shit posting. Literal trash that means nothing just spewing hate for no real reason just going on and on about women dumb shit fuck whore stupid vagina yuck which i just uhh love and i miss I wish those days would just come back just low quality post about nothing except to waste time and not just uhh yours but other peoples too because then they have to respond and that takes time and it takes time to read the post and then you have to think about it process it think up a thing to post and then type it out do a captcha unless you have the pro account which i used to have just got tired of it where is m00t he was such a bad poster is he at google no i just looked it up he left but man i thought honey was vegan i guess i don't know what vegan is well women bad though thanks men for veganism

[Anonymous No.19387500]

>>19384115
i'm telling you right now unfortunately you probably don't

[Anonymous No.19387525]

>>19387276
This

There's shit skin religions that have been vegetarian since the dawn of time. ( Still isnt right but I at least respect it)

But non of them are vegan.

[Anonymous No.19387659]

>>19385583
Are you trolling

[Anonymous No.19387676]

>>19384576
not all people are blessed with inner monologue

[Anonymous No.19387688]

>>19387276
The chickens lived just fine before we ever laid eyes on one for the first time as the human species. This is just a retarded false dichotomy implying the chickens need us or else they die. It's just not true. They aren't in any more dire need of saving in some farmland than an overgrown factory farmed chicken is in need of breeding dozens of eggs in order to reproduce and not die from predators or just from simply not breeding and dying out

[Anonymous No.19387715]

>>19387471
coffee bean is naturally free of pesticides because it's encased in a fruit which is often discarded

[Anonymous No.19387837]

>>19387276
Chickens in factory farms have nightmarish lives and would probably be better off not existing. We could have symbiotic relationships with chickens, cows, and bees, that benefit everyone, but when we make their lives worse than they would be if they were left alone in the wild then we've done something very wrong. I don't think nearly as many people would be vegan if it was obvious we made their lives better.

[Anonymous No.19387900]

>>19386611
She does in the sound version

[Anonymous No.19387932]

>>19383985
Mmmm concentrated dog piss

[Anonymous No.19387941]

>>19387276
1.Chickens have been selectively bred to lay more and more eggs. They now lay so many that it creates health problems from calcium deficiency. Eggs should be re-fed to chickens to help them get some of their nutrients back.

2.Male chicks are culled by the truckloads minutes after being born.

3.Chickens kept in horrid situations. Any eggs you buy in the grocery store / restaurants are from factory farms. No you don't buy all of your eggs from you local hillbilly down the street, everyone says this.

[Anonymous No.19387959]

>>19385850
>honey is vegan because it doesnt harm the animals, just like with eggs or milk.
It does harm bees. It causes massive amounts of stress and nutritional issues. Saying it doesn't harm them is like saying robbing someone and stealing almost all of their belongings doesn't directly harm them.
>picture
Stupid image. Dense cities are much better for the environment and a much better use of land.
>t.i live with a vegan who eats cheese, fish and eggs all the time, but considers herself vegan because she buys vegan mayo
Cool anecdote retard.

[Anonymous No.19387968]

>>19386188
So does your computer. Is your computer sentient?

[Anonymous No.19387970]

>>19383985
Veganism is just purposely overcomplicating food that has been solved for ten thousand years.

[Anonymous No.19387974]

>>19384094
Fentiman's Dandelion and Burdock is pretty great but also you have shit taste for dogging on the Sars.

[Anonymous No.19387976]

>>19387970
>Making a sugary dandelion soup in five minutes is more complicated than fucking bee keeping.

[Anonymous No.19387982]

>>19387976
It's more complicated then popping off to the shop and buying some honey.

[Anonymous No.19387993]

>>19387968
My computer isn't alive.

[Anonymous No.19388041]

>>19387976
You know that shit took more than 5 minutes

[Anonymous No.19388048]

>>19387941
Laying birds should be fed back their eggshells for sure (on top of additional calcium supplementation). But the nutrients from the eggs can just be provided in their feed.

You're right tho, I don't buy all my eggs from the local hillbilly down the street.

I AM the local hillbilly from down the street.

[Anonymous No.19388053]

>>19387976
The focus on eating specifically honey has always been so weird to me since most sweeteners including sugar itself are vegan, it just seems so unnecessary to literally hire people to wear full bodysuits to almost get stung by a hive of angry bees just so people can eat honey

[Anonymous No.19388056]

>>19388053
Most sugar actually isnt vegan because its processed with bone char.

Also honey is based af

[Anonymous No.19388075]

>>19388056
That's just because of the whitening, sugar is naturally vegan as it comes from sugar cane, there's brands like sugar in the raw that don't use bone char to whiten it. Yet again unnecessary as many countries like the UK banned the use of bone char when processing sugar
>based af
Ok?

[Anonymous No.19388082]

>>19388056
>>19388056 #
That's just because of the whitening, sugar is naturally vegan as it comes from sugar cane, there's brands like sugar in the raw that don't use bone char to whiten it. Yet again unnecessary as many countries like the UK banned the use of bone char when processing sugar. But it's not just sugar, there are other vegan sweeteners that occur in nature and some are even sweeter than honey
>Most fruit
>Maple syrup
>Agave nectar
>Molasses
So the focus on honey itself is weird.
>based af
Ok?

[Anonymous No.19388108]

>>19388082
most fruit requires bees to pollinate. Why not just do what most fruit/nut orchards do and also use their pollinators for honey

[Anonymous No.19388283]

>>19384001
classic 4chan post

[Anonymous No.19388290]

>>19383985
This is dandelion jam, not a honey substitute. Has existed for a very long time

[If you read it, you are a pussy 71267086 No.19388566]

>>19384339
Proteins satiate the most, not fat

[Anonymous No.19388578]

>>19384383
saturated fats combined with carbs directly results in your liver producing more serum cholesterol which results in atherosclerosis

[Anonymous No.19388589]

>>19384652
I knew a vegan that refused to eat almonds for this reason

[Anonymous No.19388592]

>>19383990
Well I thought this was funny anyway

[Anonymous No.19388670]

>>19388566
Wrong. Protein causes spikes in blood sugar. It is fat and carbs (but never at the same time) that satiate, not protein. Even amongst ketofags, they have to spill dairy on everything they eat because of the lack of fat and overabundance of protein in the gross lean meat they eat. You can even die if you eat only protein, it's a phenomenon known as protein poisoning. No such thing as fat or carb poisoning.

[Anonymous No.19388726]

>>19384023
but bee keeping is super important for pollination wtf???

[Anonymous No.19388747]

>>19388726
It's commonly used now because bee exploitation is already so common, but bees aren't inherently necessary for the production of fruit or nuts like they are for honey. Not all almond trees require bee pollination etc.

[Anonymous No.19388760]

>>19383985
>literally do more damage to the environment by doing this as opposed to having an apiary
just wtf are they putting in those vegan substitutes to make them act like this

[Anonymous No.19388770]

>>19388670
You must be vegan, and also a woman right?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17824197/#:~:text=A%20hierarchy%20has%20been%20observed,and%20fat%20as%20least%20satiating.

Cause you are always wrong, faggot

Who the fucked talked about poison? Also did you ever consider glicemia? Stupid fuck

[Anonymous No.19388774]

>>19388670
https://www.hri.org.au/health/your-health/nutrition/all-about-carbs#:~:text=Excess%20carbohydrate%20intake%20places%20a,increased%20risk%20of%20heart%20disease.

Fucking tool, lol

[Anonymous No.19388799]

>>19384001
4chan "culture"

[Anonymous No.19388809]

>>19384019
damn nigga i bet you've waited years for an opportunity to use that gif

[Anonymous No.19388815]

>>19388770
There are millions of "studies" you can find that say the opposite kek. Welcome to nutrition. You fell for the protein myth the majority of doctors push when actually humans are disgusted by lean meats such as rabbit and tend to lean towards eating fattier animal products like red meat, eggs or dairy as a result.
>Who the fucked talked about poison?
The fact that one can become poisoned from eating too much protein but not from carbs or fat doesn't say anything to you? Protein itself is not an essential nutrient in the human diet and is the opposite of satiating. Rather, it is the fat in meats that sates, or the carbs in plants.
>glicemia
Shut the fuck up, illiterate kike.
>>19388774
This says nothing, dumb triggered ketofag redditfag. You drink your buttered stevia coffee every morning before hypocritically coming on here to screech about the necessity of protein.

[Anonymous No.19388824]

>>19386605
>human flourishing
There are objectively too many humans and there's no future for the species if we continue to "flourish".

[Anonymous No.19388852]

>>19388824
>There are objectively too many humans
Better technology can support more people.

[Anonymous No.19389119]

>>19388815
Lol find one faggot
Come on

Go back to your ouija board and runic stones, stupid cuck

[Anonymous No.19389127]

>>19388815
That's called bilingual

Glicemia= glycemia

Don't expect that from a rotten brain vegan

[Anonymous No.19389170]

>>19388852
>Better technology can support more people

the right kind of people

[Anonymous No.19389176]

I'm not a vegan, I'm a semi-vegan.

Meaning I follow mostly vegan principles as in no meat, eggs, dairy, but I don't do retarded shit like abstain from hunting of wolves, foxes or honey.

I do everything that is natural. It's natural to hunt and kill, all animals do it. What most animals don't do is have hundreds of thousands of factory farms where billions of animals are killed every second.

[Anonymous No.19389195]

>>19384001
I NEED a vocaroo faggot to read this out to me, only breathing on commas and full stops

[Anonymous No.19389221]

>>19389176
>I do everything that is natural. It's natural to hunt and kill, all animals do it.
Natural doesn't mean good.

[Anonymous No.19389253]

>>19389127
We speak English here. Is "Who the fucked talked about poison" bilingual too?

[Anonymous No.19389344]

>>19389253
I want that study, dumdum

How many languages do you speak?

[Anonymous No.19389375]

>>19384010
I was somewhat amused at first. Then the fucking sugar showed up.

>>19384015
>adding 5 pounds of sugar to a handful of flowers and calling it honey seems pretty retarded to me.

Because it is pretty fucking retarded. This woman is utterly bonkers.

[Anonymous No.19389378]

>>19389344

Ten, excluding dead languages like Latin and Tocharian

[Anonymous No.19389434]

>>19384115
>>19384140
IT'S HIP

[Anonymous No.19389614]

>>19389176
WHY WOULD YOU HUNT A FOXO TO EAT IT NOOOOO
NOT THE FOXERINOS!

[Anonymous No.19389890]

>>19389378
Pfffffffftt
Fucking Loser!!
The study bitch show me, between millions of studies, show me

[Anonymous No.19389916]

what do vegans even eat? Basically every meal I eat has animal products. I dunno how you can just eat salad and beans and shit and not want to kill yourself. For example today I ate
>2 scrambled eggs in a tortilla with salad
>2 chicken breasts cooked with spices in more tortilla with salad and roast brogli
>1 cup greek youghurt
>about 30 mussels I steamed then battered and fried for dinner

and I have a whole fish defrosting for tomorrows food. I just can't imagine what vegans even eat? like bread and pasta and beans? I mean that's like peasant food fuck that. I want cheese and butter and seafood and FAT like fucking lamb fat and suck the marrow out. it feels so healthy and happy eating meat

[Anonymous No.19389926]

>>19388053
you ever had good honey? none of that american fake shit they cut with corn syrup. holy shit I brought some good honey recently it is SO good. I could eat it by the spoonful until I'm dead.

[Anonymous No.19390114]

>>19389916
>burritos (tvp with taco seasoning, black beans, store bought vegan sour cream, guac)
>vegetable curry
>falafel w/ hummus and yellow rice
>fried seitan w/ orange sauce
>pasta w/ spaghetti sauce and mushrooms, little bit sad without parmesan but still lower effort than most things
>cereal or tomato soup when i don't have time to cook
not a comprehensive list, but this is most of what i've got figured out since i went vegan 9-ish months ago that isn't super time-consuming, expensive, or sad
just recently made a chicken noodle soup with vegetarian chicken broth mix, leftover leek greens from a different experiment, and linguine
added way too much pasta to really be a soup, but it tasted good and the super starchy broth did have a nice texture, i feel like it has potential to turn into something like alfredo or maybe carbonara, need to experiment more
regardless, i'm sure i could cook better food if i didn't limit myself to not using animal products, but that isn't exactly the point, if vegan food was better than non-vegan we'd all just do that anyway
that said, i am still eating better food overall than i did before just because being vegan forces me to cook nearly every meal and raised the bar for how much time/effort i'm willing to put into it, and honestly the only animal product that doesn't have an acceptable vegan substitute is cheese
vegan cheeses range from "moderately expensive" to "extremely expensive", "bad" to "alright but doesn't taste like cheese", never gets the texture even remotely right, every recipe i can find is even worse, it's just absolutely everything vegan food is stereotyped as being
if only a moderately acceptable vegan cheese existed, i'd have absolutely no complaints about vegan food overall

[Anonymous No.19390279]

>>19383985
From the moment I understood the weakness of flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of protein. I aspired to the purity of nature. Your kind cling to flesh, as though it will not constipate you and clot your veins. One day the crude biomass you call earth will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for veganism is immortal… Even in death I serve the earth.

[Anonymous No.19390462]

>>19385911
My source of cheap and good milk has dried up because the cow refuses to get fucked.
It's been months, and the cow finally got pregnant.
>t.third worlder

[Anonymous No.19391035]

>>19386335
are you chinese by chance? or did you have a bad childhood? just curious really