/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19283539]

What did peasants eat in medieval times?

[Anonymous No.19283541]

The king's poop

[Anonymous No.19283542]

Bread and onions, weak beer

A hare or some bird meat now and then

[Anonymous No.19283549]

>>19283539
McDonalds, probably.

[Anonymous No.19283550]

>>19283541
The richest king in the world sits on a sack of shit

[Anonymous No.19283572]

>>19283539
poverty food like potatoes

[Anonymous No.19283574]

>>19283539
OVTMEVL

[Anonymous No.19283580]

>>19283539
Primarily whole grain bread. Grains included wheat, rye, buckwheat, oats, barley, and upland rice. Sugar in any form was rare, and the most common sweeters were honey and syrups made from reduced fruit juice.
Veggies and legumes like leeks, onions, carrots, turnips, lettuce, cabbage, sprouts, peas were common.
Most forms of beans, all chili peppers, potatoes, tomatoes, pumpkin, corn were void, as those are native to the western hemisphere.
Spices and herbs included sage, thyme, garlic, salt, nutmeg, mint, coliander, licorice, and horseradish (the habanero of Eurasia).
Meat was mostly poultry and farmed cod. Amongst the Ashkenaz (European Jews) cod farming was huge, and formed the basis of the massive use of fish in traditional foods like gefilte fish. Goose was also a massive deal, as pork is considered treif (non-kosher/not fit for human consumption), and plant based oil was rare outside of southern Eurasia, goose fat was the frying medium of choice. The fat is known as schmaltz, and is often chicken fat in the modern day.
Duck, sheep, goat, beef were also common. Amongst the gentiles, all of these as well as horse, rabbit, eels, clams, were eaten.

Beer was universally ale, dark, and often seasoned. The whole "German purity law" was local to Bavaria only, and was written to regulate the grain market for bakers, not to purify beer. Most of Europe also had vineyards for wine, and make wine out of any given fruit.
Distillation in Korean type clay stills was also done. Most liqour was clear, unaged, and often flavored. Absinthe, brandy, dutch gin, slivovitz, and vodka (which could be flavored) were all known.

[Anonymous No.19283598]

>>19283580
This is a clay still from Korea. European stills at the time were similar. I've read that heavy use of copper in stills was not done until the late 1500s.

The bottom pot holds the beer/wash. The middle pot is actually a topless and bottomless ring with a spout. The spout has an internal extention to catch drips. The top pot is a massive bowl full of cold water, and all pots are sealed with a simple dough or clay to make the system vapor tight. The fire under the still warms the beer to under a boil, the alcohol vapor rises, is cooled by the water pot, and it drips down into the spout extention, and hout of the spout.

[Anonymous No.19283611]

>>19283539
whole wheat sourdough made from shitty soft wheat instead of hard, pottages, etc.

[Anonymous No.19283614]

>>19283572
>medieval times
>potatoes
You should talk less and listen more.

[Anonymous No.19283620]

>>19283539
Beef, pig, rabbits, hare, deer, carp, tench, waffles, pancakes, bread, beer, wine, sorrel, spinach, bear garlic, pennyroyal, myrtle, mustard, redcurrant, apples, pears, prunes. Proper food.

[Anonymous No.19283630]

>>19283580
Thanks chatjewpt

[Anonymous No.19283636]

>>19283572

Anon.....

[Anonymous No.19283649]

>>19283539
90% of their diet was hard, grainy, stale bread made from whatever seeds they could find

[Anonymous No.19283652]

>>19283636
>Honeybees

Interesting. Didn't know that.

[Anonymous No.19283660]

>>19283539
weaker peasants

[Anonymous No.19283664]

>>19283572
pitiful bait but on this godforsaken imageboard a solid 7/10

[Anonymous No.19283673]

>>19283636
>beans
europe knew beans before, just different types

[Anonymous No.19283675]

>>19283572
Only started getting them in europe in the late 1500s

[Anonymous No.19283692]

>>19283636
Tomato (Italy), vanilla (French), peanut (Dutch), potato (Poland) and chocolate (Dutch) are European inventions. They were useless before we intervened. Broad beans are European as well.

[Anonymous No.19283707]

>>19283580
a good post on 4chinz, I'm shocked. Have a well deserved (You)

[Anonymous No.19283719]

>>19283539
Very region dependent.

[Anonymous No.19283721]

>>19283636
>thanks for the disease

[Anonymous No.19283780]

>>19283630
>tfw actually Jewish
>but not a chinaspeakeebot
>que lastima.

[Anonymous No.19283814]

>>19283620
Venison was almost universally poached if it was being eaten by a serf. Hunting, and the wildlife on it, were relegated to the land holding nobility and gentry.
Beef was eaten, but it almost always only on Christmas. When beef was eaten, it was normally a draft animal that was old, injured, or not at full strength.
>>19283580
I forgot ducks and pigeons were also eaten. Just as in the old south, wherein visitors would sit and shell dried beans and peas as a courtesy, a similar thing was done in Eurasia with nuts. Chesnuts, walnuts, and hazelnuts were big protein sources (and their oil was used for some industrial applications). Visitors were sort of expected to help shell them while sitting.
The only bean known to medieval europeans would have been the fava bean. Pintos, navies, blacks, etc. are all American native.

[Anonymous No.19283886]

>>19283636
there's native vanilla orchids in the old world throughout the tropics, but not cultivated. probably due to not producing enough/strong enough pods. archeologists found compounds associated with vanilla in ancient burial site in israel.
there are new world wild onions, but i think used by certain north american tribes only.

[Anonymous No.19283898]

>>19283636
This picture is wrong and whoever made it back in 1998 needs a hard slap on the ass.

[Anonymous No.19283921]

>>19283580
Chickpeas and lentils were also common, with chickpeas being mentioned in Carolingian texts as being widely cultivated across his domain. Also as an addendum, wheat was often consumed in a porridge called frumenty. Oats and oat porridge became a common foodstuff only recently, being considered a poverty food, normally meant for animal feed, across Europe for much of history.

[Anonymous No.19283951]

>>19283814
>The only bean known to medieval europeans would have been the fava bean.
This is wrong. Chickpeas/garbanzo beans and lentils were indeed cultivated and used for food by Europeans during the Middle Ages. Why would you post something factually wrong, anon?

[Anonymous No.19283955]

>>19283921
Porridge, no matter the grain, is pretty good food really. You can easily make it sweet or savory or something in between depending on what you add to it.

Here, rice porridge is considered a seasonal and fine food almost always seasoned with cinnamon and served with milk, while oat porridge is a considered simple and nutritious and can be served any way.

for the latter I personally prefer either raw oats with milk and honey or treacle, or as a savory/salty dish with butter and MSG.

[Anonymous No.19283962]

>>19283539
A good YT channel for this.
*They ate WAY better than we do now.
https://youtu.be/WeVcey0Ng-w

[Anonymous No.19283967]

>>19283572
We have the new world Peruvians to thank for 'Taters...

[Anonymous No.19283971]

>>19283707
I'll second that...
>>19283580
Your (you), sir...

[Anonymous No.19284579]

>>19283539
Apparently they had it pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.19284615]

>>19283780
>>19283580
>Jewish
why do you hate us

[Anonymous No.19284735]

>>19283580
>Primarily whole grain bread.
they may have, but that is not what they wanted. everyone back then wanted white bread.
>Meat was mostly poultry and farmed cod
only rich people got fish, unless they lived on the coast.

[Anonymous No.19284740]

>>19283620
peasants were not allowed to hunt.

>>19283649
wrong

[Anonymous No.19284747]

>>19284740
>peasants were not allowed to hunt.
Just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.19284763]

>>19283539
I went to an authentic medieval cuisine restaurant and there was a lot of meat. The waitress explained to me that people back then ate a lot of meat in especially wild game. Wild turkey, venison, duck, etc… as well as fish and bread are what medieval people ate. And they would wash it down with wine and/or some fresh well water. I wish I had lived back then instead of these crazy times we are dealing with today with all these crazy people using meth and trannies and left wing kooks and unhealthy fast food. I think I’d have done pretty well back then. Perhaps I’d have been a knight or maybe been one of Robin Hood’s men? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine

[Anonymous No.19284772]

ASS

why do you think everyone was dying of dysentery?

[Anonymous No.19285026]

>>19284763
>I think I’d have done pretty well back then. Perhaps I’d have been a knight or maybe been one of Robin Hood’s men?
It’s much better to live in the present day and just pretend

[Anonymous No.19285048]

>>19284747
The lands were owned by the lords who owned the rights to hunt there

[Anonymous No.19285053]

>>19284615
It's not us. It's you. Specifically you, dearest anon. Oh... oh boy howdy, do I feel the rage a-bubbling in my heart. The white hot anger and unadulterated distaste and dismay, all for you. I stay awake at night, tossing, turning, kneading, rolling, all for that next post on a Vietnamese basket weaving forum website on the internet. I am addicted to it, the hate. It is my purpose, my vision, my white whale of a tail.

And most Conseradox Jews, and like 2/3rds of Israelis. I hate them too. Oh, how I despise...

>>19284735
Farmed fish was huge in the medevial era (see: aquaculture, agricultures wetter brother). My anon, have you never heard of rivers?

[Anonymous No.19285054]

>>19284763
I think wine and meat would be what the wealthy upper classes consumed, it wasn't everyday food for everyone. The average person today can probably get a bottle of wine and roasted chicken more easily.

[Anonymous No.19285059]

>>19284747
Yes, he's right. Hunting as a right in Europe didn't become a thing until the French revolution. In the legends of Robin Hood, poaching of the King's game animals for food was a big deal. Boars were reserved for hunting parties of knights, who used the hunts as a form of cavalry exercise. Fox hunting with hounds and signal horns on horseback is derived from this.

[Anonymous No.19285064]

>>19283620
>carp
isn't carp a shit-tier fish? I get that peasants take what they can get but isn't carp notoriously bad

[Anonymous No.19285069]

>>19285064
They hadn't had any salmon to compare it to

[Anonymous No.19285073]

>>19284747
He's right you don't know shit about history of the time

[Anonymous No.19285083]

>>19284763
You would have been one of the 95% of all people who were serfs. Stop being a narcissist, and stop eating at larp joints.

>>19285054
Wine from grape was normally a rich person food, but wine was also made from fruit. Cider, plum jerkum, pear cider, and wine made from any given form of berry, stonefruit, etc. would have been known.
Meat was common, but it's the species and how we use it that makes the difference. Meat in the medeival era was a flavoring agent, like bacon fat, not a bulk ingredient as it's used today. Poultry, especially goose, was common, as was fish. Pork was not as common, but it was not a holiday only affair.
The non-avian species that were more rarely eaten (sheep, goats, horses, beef) were slaughtered only at the end of their useful commercial life. These animals were used for wool, milk, and labor first and foremost, and meat and leather as a last end.

[Anonymous No.19285087]

>>19285064
Not really. It's a boney fish, but it is good depending on what the fish is fed. Species is nothing compared to feed quality in modern husbandry. Store bought eggs have flat, yellow yolks, but if you ever have a real free range egg from a chicken that's been eating bugs and grass, that yolk is neon orange and domed. Feed matters.

[Anonymous No.19285094]

>>19283692
lol

[Anonymous No.19285109]

>>19283539
Basic stuff - beans and potatoes mainly

[Anonymous No.19285136]

>>19283814
>Hunting, and the wildlife on it, were relegated to the land holding nobility and gentry.
Wasn't that specifically a Western European thing? Even more specifically, English (after 1066)? How did land ownership and access to the woods compare in the HRE or in Scandinavia or even Eastern Europe?

[Anonymous No.19285144]

>>19284579
So what kind of horse shows happen here

[Anonymous No.19285148]

>>19284763
>The waitress explained to me that people back then ate a lot of meat in especially wild game. Wild turkey, venison, duck, etc… as well as fish and bread are what medieval people ate. And they would wash it down with wine and/or some fresh well water.
I know she's just repeating what she was told to say but this is so wrong. Every inch of hunting land was strictly controlled and the average man rarely ever had wild game. And table beer was the staple drink, anyone could make it, anyone could drink it, and it was safer than any still water.

[Anonymous No.19285153]

>>19285083
>Stop being a narcissist, and stop eating at larp joints.
he's just having fun

[Anonymous No.19285182]

>>19285144
Mostly stepping routines. The Spanish Step is actually pretty impressive. But they also do jousting and such. And then they have fights when the put away horses.

[Anonymous No.19285193]

>>19285182
Sounds fun. Your meal looks good
What beer is served

[Anonymous No.19285252]

>>19284615
jews larp that white people belong to a group of people called the amalek, which were the people who lived in palestine before the israelites murdered everyone and stole it. they claim their god told them they could totally have palestine but only if they first removed the most evil and vile of humans who currently occupied their promised land. and it was one of his first commandments to utterly destroy them, down to the last woman and child, as well as any pets or livestock. But alas, some amalek escaped and race mixed with some other group and eventually they became everyone not jewish because oey gevalt dont question it goyim.

[Anonymous No.19285304]

>>19285252
I'm jewish, and everything you just typed is wrong.