/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19276429]

*breaks your teeth*

[Anonymous No.19276434]

now i want to put cola cubes in whiskey

[Anonymous No.19276436]

Everyone's an absurdly snobby connoisseur expert these days, inventing solutions for problems that don't exist. I hate the modern era.

[Anonymous No.19276438]

>what is phase change energy

[Anonymous No.19276439]

>>19276429
This shit is so stupid
Like ice melts away but theres always ice underneath until its gone
This you just have a room temperature rock in your cup after a while?

[Anonymous No.19276440]

>>19276439
retards like to hear the clinking so they seem like the people from whiskey adverts even if the glass is nearly empty

[Anonymous No.19276441]

>>19276429
ouchie wawa

[Anonymous No.19276443]

>>19276429
*chips your glass*

[Anonymous No.19276444]

>>19276439
These don't dilute your whiskey though!
What's that? Spherical ice cubes exist because they have minimal surface area and don't dilute your whiskey? Sounds like too much work and not as cool as my MANLY rocks

[Anonymous No.19276451]

>>19276436
Oh you want to cut an onion? You're going to need a $300 German knife and a $100 japanese sharpening stone. What?! You use a $25 knife and a pull through sharpener? Are you some kind of pleb????

Table wine with your dinner. You're going to need to consult a sommelier and spend $80 at minimum. Carlo Rossi?! What? Are you some kind of cretin?

You want to salt your food? I suggest pink Himalayan salt or perhaps some sea salt harvested from the virgin islands. Wait what??? MORTONS?! Don't make me laugh.

Need a cup of coffee before work? Well first you're going to need to buy a grinder and a an aeropress, or perhaps a moka pot, and honestly I suggest roasting your own beans at home... Wait you drink Folger's?! Wow that's disgusting.

Etc etc

[Anonymous No.19276456]

>>19276444
>dilute
isnt the point of the ice to just make it a little crisper as you get to the bottom fo the glass after like 5 sips in ten minutes?
barely even dilutes it

[Anonymous No.19276462]

I have something like this, I use it for milk so I can make it extra cold without it getting watery.

[Anonymous No.19276464]

>>19276456
Ice cubes will almost entirely melt in 10 minutes

I personally just keep a tumbler in my freezer and use that for whiskey. Yeah it warms up but it at least doesn't get watery by the end

[Anonymous No.19276465]

>>19276462
that honestly sounds like the only use for these things, or maybe in a smoothie?

[Anonymous No.19276466]

>>19276462
These things have zero thermal capacity compared to ice. I'd take ice in milk over rocks any day.

[Anonymous No.19276469]

>>19276464
in the sun maybe

[Anonymous No.19276480]

>>19276451
There's snobbery and then there's modest quality appreciation. The coffee example is the most disingenuous example of this. Folders is legitimately dogshit but you can buy a decent bag of grounds for your drip machine and have a genuinely good cup of coffee without becoming a pretentious gearqueer like you described

[Anonymous No.19276487]

>>19276480
>machine
You fucked it

[Anonymous No.19276489]

>>19276480
>Gearqueer

i like that

[Anonymous No.19276498]

>>19276429
I got some of those for Christmas one year and they really are absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.19276506]

>>19276487
Case in point

[Anonymous No.19276508]

ITT: zoomers who never had REAL whiskey on the rocks. those gay little cubes are a scam, we'd just go grab pebbles from the creek

[Anonymous No.19276519]

>>19276429
These are objectively retarded and anyone who had a basic chemistry class in high school should know why

[Anonymous No.19276558]

>>19276519
It's cuz most of the cooling that ice cubes do is from absorbing the heat required to turn them from a solid to liquid. Do I get a gold star?

[Anonymous No.19276766]

>>19276480
I have gone through 6 different ground coffees from folgers to van houte to some shit i brought back from a costa rican coffee farm. They all taste like coffee. Stop diluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.19276774]

>>19276766
Dumb nigger, I don't even drink coffee and I know that there's difference in quality. If you can't tell the difference between the good shit and the cheapest acrid dirt that's on you. Coffee definitely has a spectrum of quality. That cat shit coffee is probably bullshit and the ceiling for good coffee is lower than people think, but there is definitely bad and good coffee.

[Anonymous No.19276885]

>>19276774
It's good to the last drop, bitch. Cope and seethe.

[Anonymous No.19277753]

>>19276429
The real answer is that anyone this autistic about whiskey taste should be drinking it at room temp anyway.

[Anonymous No.19277771]

>>19276429
What the fuck are these? Are they really just rocks? What's the point?

[Anonymous No.19277772]

>>19277753
Bingo.

[Anonymous No.19278166]

>>19277753
I prefer a bit below room temp. As I posted earlier, I just chill a tumbler and let the whiskey and glass reach equilibrium

[Anonymous No.19278191]

>>19277771
No melting

[Anonymous No.19278247]

>>19276451
nobody is saying those things to you

[Anonymous No.19278255]

I just store my whiskey in the fridge.

[Anonymous No.19278414]

>>19278166
The cold of the glass cools the whiskey.

[Anonymous No.19278415]

>>19276451
mortons is goysalt with no added iodine
because you won't be getting any iodine from your obviously flyover diet, enjoy your shit thyroid health and low energy
all because you bought poor quality salt with no added iodine, like some nigger

[Anonymous No.19278435]

>>19276429
When I moved to Japan the guy in the apartment before me left an unopen packet of these in the drawer and said I could have them. I tried them and they lost their coldness almost instantly. So I threw them at the ice in the frozen river next to the apartment KEK

[Anonymous No.19278438]

>>19278191
the point of ice is that it melts and adds an appropriate amount of water to the spirit

[Anonymous No.19278566]

Years ago I bought the Yakuza 6 collectors edition that came with whiskey stones
Then on Christmas someone gave me some whiskey stones as a gift
I've never used them, they just stay in my freezer taking up a tiny amount of space

[Anonymous No.19278636]

are those actual rocks? I've only ever seen the little metal cubes.

[Anonymous No.19278725]

>>19276451
>aeropress, or perhaps a moka pot
You failed here, both of those items are for poorfags.

[Anonymous No.19278780]

>>19276429
Am I retarded if I worry about swallowing them?

[Anonymous No.19279447]

>>19276436
>I hate the modern era

[Anonymous No.19279546]

>>19279447
Stick to your McD, coffee and knives threads zoom zoom.

[Anonymous No.19279607]

>>19279447
Why did you post an image of yourself?

[Anonymous No.19279663]

>>19276439
this shit is stupid because the vast majority of ice's cooling ability comes from the relatively huge energy it takes to turn it from solid to liquid.
whiskey cubes in a glass of room temperature whiskey (cause who keeps whiskey in their freezer) will lower it jack shit. just drink it neat at that point, add a splash of water if you want it mellowed out

[Anonymous No.19279684]

No matter how many of these I cram, my whisky doesn't get any colder.

[Anonymous No.19279687]

>>19276451
mokapots are /ck/s poorfag cope at being unable to afford $400 for an entry level espresso maker like a gaggia. they larp and pretend that moka and espresso are comparable just because they both have a crema, and I also don't believe they all actually like moka's unique (gross) flavor profile. bonus points because they're finnicky of course.

real /ck/ coffee snobbery is of course a hand powered burr grinder with a rancio or similar, at least $1k. preferably one that 'requires' some home tinkering (of dubious purpose) after receipt to make it 'truly decent'

[Anonymous No.19279707]

>>19279546
>le zoomer boogeyman
Thanks for proving you're a loser and only hate the modern era because you're a social outcast.

[Anonymous No.19280100]

>>19276885
>man who's blind calls out people who can see to 'cope and seethe' over being able to... see
k buddy
generally good tastebuds and the ability to discern flavors is linked to having been fed good food during your youth
it's basically not your fault you can't taste anything, your parents just couldn't afford higher quality ingredients
still, you CAN train your tastebuds even at mid-age like 35-40, anyone can
so stop the sour grapes and just apply yourself if you want people to take you seriously
it's like you're a fatass preaching to normal people they're too thin, of course no one listens to you

[Anonymous No.19280230]

>>19276439
Takes more temperature to melt the rock than the ice

[Anonymous No.19280247]

>>19276429
Put the whiskey in the fridge problem solved

[Anonymous No.19280249]

>>19279684
Why would you want cold whisky?

[Anonymous No.19280254]

>>19276464
Not where civilized people live, no.

[Anonymous No.19280651]

>>19279707
Where do you think we are, normalfag?

[Anonymous No.19280672]

>>19276434
bro

[Anonymous No.19280782]

>>19276441
>ayyy chihuahua

[Anonymous No.19280795]

>>19276451
Bro just said Carlo rossi!

[Anonymous No.19280802]

>>19276885
It's ok bro, the half empty pack of smokes and AA sobriety chip tells us all we need to know about your taste buds and coffee experience.

[Anonymous No.19280820]

>>19278415
They have plain and iodized. Didn't even know what plain salted tasted like until I was a man.

[Anonymous No.19281112]

>>19279447
The incredibly widespread sentiment isn't going to be washed away by a low effort feminine shaming meme

[Anonymous No.19281117]

>>19279707
>le zoomer boogeyman
>said the fag posting le chud boogeyman
You have deserved all the bullying you've ever recieved, beta

[Anonymous No.19281127]

>>19276444
>dilute
All of the temperature change from ice in a drink comes from the ice water melted into it. Less "dilution" from the ice means a less chilled drink and ineffectual ice.

[Anonymous No.19281141]

>>19276489
Hello newfag

[Anonymous No.19281144]

>>19276429
You're not supposed to chew the rocks, dude

[Anonymous No.19282260]

>>19276451
Hating on nice things is the reason the brits make British good, and flyover states makes flyover food

[Anonymous No.19282285]

>>19276519
Some scotches I like a little colder than ambient with 0 watering down. Granted my rocks are made of steel so probably have better capacity than stone, but they absolutely do have a purpose even if they don't chill as effectively as ice.

[Anonymous No.19282326]

>>19278415
Added iodine just evaporates out of salt.

[Anonymous No.19282470]

i just put my bourbon in the fridge so it's always cold

[Anonymous No.19282503]

>>19276429
I chipped a tooth on these gardettos a couple weeks ago, I still need to go see a dentist about that.

[Anonymous No.19282516]

>>19277772

[Anonymous No.19282532]

>>19282516
I know what that's missing, it's not a cheerleader escort movie.

[Anonymous No.19282557]

>>19276429
For a moment I tought it was Candy Coal.
Anyway I still never saw a bar or a cocktail restourant to use it. Does it do something particular like not watering your drink? is it better using a rock or regular Ice? Because I would be the fag that still preach "USE ICE YOU RETARD, WHY A FUCKING ROCK?"

[Anonymous No.19282601]

Specific heat of water: 4.184 J/g*K, Density 1 g/ml
Specific heat of ethanol :2.46 J/g*K. Density, 0.789 g/ml

Specific heat of granite: 0.790 J/g*K
Latent heat of fusion of water: 334 J/g

Whisky contains about 40% of ethanol by volume, about 60% of water. 0.4*0.789 + 0.6*1 = 0.915g/ml, so a 100ml glass of whisky is 91.5g
Now specific heat: heat. 0.4*2.46+4.184*0.6 = 3.5 J/g*K

We want a room temperature whisky (24C) down to optimal 15C. That's 10C, or 10K drop. 10*91.5*3.5 = 3202 Joules to extract as heat.

Melting 1 gram of -5 degrees ice into 15C water gives 334+2.46*20 = 383.2 Joules. That's 8.3ml of ice, Typical ice cube is about 10g, so melting one 10g ice cube will bring the whisky down to the right temperature and compensate for the glass and heating from surroundings.

Now, let's take -5C granite. 3202 / (0.790 * 20) , that's 202 grams. At around 2g/ml density, you need to mix whiskey and granite 50-50 to get to the right temperature.

[Anonymous No.19282609]

>>19282601
BTW if you really, really don't want melting ice diluting the whisky, get water-filled hollow (thin-wall) steel cubes.

[Anonymous No.19282690]

Stop posting about things i think about

[Anonymous No.19282718]

>>19282557
the point is that water actually alters the taste of whiskey really dramatically. its not just watering down but even a drop of water changes the flavor completely. the reason why you dont see them in bars is that people who drink whiskey at a bar arent autistic enough to care about it being chilled and if they are and dont want water in it they would have their glass pre cooled and drink the whiskey quickly.
its not "better" to do anything but if you want to taste of whiskey with no water in it then ice is not an option.

[Anonymous No.19282953]

>>19282718
Most whisky is meant be diluted with a squirt of water

[Anonymous No.19282963]

>>19276443
this. it was in the best interest of glass industry titans to make sure that glass products don't last as long as they used to

[Anonymous No.19283618]

>>19276444
>spherical ice cubes

[Anonymous No.19284166]

>>19282609
Why hollow? Wouldn't solid steel do the job better since it holds more mass, thus more energy?

[Anonymous No.19284620]

>>19282953
no.

[Anonymous No.19284714]

>>19276439
The heat of the rock cools the whiskey

[Anonymous No.19284746]

>>19276451
>15 dollar bag of coffee grounds and a 30 dollar aeropress
FUCKING TRYHARD ELITIST PIECE OF SHIT RETARD
>10 dollar tub of coffee grounds and a 20 dollar drip coffee maker
ahhh yes everything is as it should be, peak SOVL kino coffee

Nevermind that option 2 tastes like burning shit

[Anonymous No.19285322]

>>19279447
Where did you get this picture of me and my quote

[Anonymous No.19285329]

>>19282718
whiskey is like 50 percent water thats cope

[Anonymous No.19285866]

>>19276429
The only reason these exist is because "whiskey on the rocks" is a popular phrase. It has fuck all to do with ice melt changing the taste or whatever bullshit the defenders say, it's literally built around Dr Seuss-esque wordplay.

[Anonymous No.19285915]

>>19280100
>>19280802
>>19276766
>>19276451
>>19284746
Not sure who are bigger pretentious losers coffee snobs or alcohol snobs, but it's a close race. One exists to wake you up and the other to get you drunk, if you're drinking them for taste then you shouldn't be drinking them at all.

[Anonymous No.19285985]

>>19284166
Okay, calculation for solid steel cubes:

Steel: 0.42 J/kg*K, density 7.5 g/ml. Need 3202J as before. 3202/(0.42*20) = 381 grams of steel. Per 91g of whiskey.

Sure, steel is much denser, so a 10ml steel cube will be 75 gram. Meaning 5 solid steel cubes can achieve the work of a single ice cube, and your proportions are 1:2 instead of 1:1 (with granite) and 1:10 (with ice). And your drink weighs now over a pound.

tl;dr steel has totally crap specific heat, nearly half that of granite and 10 times worse than water. The high density mostly makes up for it volume-wise, but there's no heat of phase transition, solid steel cubes remain solid throughout, so you lose all that heat of ice turning to water.

[Anonymous No.19286030]

>>19276429
I ordered 12 more of these today.

[Anonymous No.19286051]

>>19282326
>boiling point 184 C

[Anonymous No.19286053]

>>19284714
The whiskey on the cock cools the rocks

[Anonymous No.19286061]

>>19282601
>-5C
While the gist of your calculations remains true, if you're taking them straight from freezer, both the ice cubes and the rocks should have temperature closer to -18C

[Anonymous No.19286085]

>>19276451
This kind of thinking is why I don't go to the coffee threads anymore. I don't think they even realize how pathetic they sound.

[Anonymous No.19286166]

You guys cry about everything. The stones are nice because you don't have to constantly buy or make ice cubes. Less water is wasted. Wish they made a heat retaining version as well so no need to buy bags of charcoal. Anyway, nobody is forcing you to buy them.

[Anonymous No.19286612]

Good whiskey will always specify on the label if it's meant to be served at room temperature, on the rocks, or diluted with a little water. These rocks are just a gimmick for retarded teenagers who can't finish a glass of whiskey before a couple of ice cubes completely melt.

[Anonymous No.19286626]

>>19279447
Who is this guy and what's his fucking problem?

[Anonymous No.19286653]

>>19281144
OP is sweating now

[Anonymous No.19287027]

>>19276451
>You want to salt your food?
If you know you know, if you don't know you'll never be in the know.

[Anonymous No.19287030]

>>19276774
>I don't partake in X
>but let me tell you about X
gets me every time

[Anonymous No.19287591]

>>19276444
Diluted whiskey is best whiskey. A little bit of water makes it taste less like paint thinner vapor and brings out the oak and whatever esters are still left over after distillation.

[Anonymous No.19287820]

>>19280254
underrated

[Anonymous No.19287835]

>>19287591
just dont buy whiskeys that taste like paint thinner, problem solved

[Anonymous No.19287917]

>>19285985
So what you're saying is we need more density?

[Anonymous No.19287990]

>>19286053
whisky on my cock uh
smash it with a rock uh
semen on my socks uh
shoot it like a glock uh

[Anonymous No.19288597]

>>19284714
>why I cool my ROCKS, not my WHISKY

[mr. thunder thighs No.19288644]

>>19283618
mr. topology

[Anonymous No.19288796]

>>19279447

I look like that and say that.

[Anonymous No.19289274]

why can't you can flash freeze the whisky

[Anonymous No.19289295]

>>19289274
I leave my mid priced stuff in the freezer now. Love it when its that temperature

[Anonymous No.19289366]

>>19276429
Stop chewing your drinks retard.

[Anonymous No.19290315]

>>19286612
>Good whiskey will always specify on the label if it's meant to be served at room temperature,
imagine being such a soiface you obsessively adhere to what a label tells you
>>19287591
>tastes like paint thinner
stop buying basic jack daniels and thinking it's the end all be all of whiskey then

[Anonymous No.19290422]

>>19278255
Based. 40°F is a good temperature for liquor. It doesn't need to be super chilled in the freezer.

[Anonymous No.19290434]

>>19286626
He's a white supremacist that shot up a Walmart in Texas a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.19290451]

>>19276451
>moka pot
wrong end of the spectrum there bud

[Anonymous No.19290459]

>>19290434
>white supremacist
why do you have to lie like that? He literally put in his manifesto that he's an anti-racist communist.

[Anonymous No.19290972]

>>19276436
I have poor friends that obsess about this shit. Glencairns and whiskey cubes and 10,000 bourbon collections and can’t stop spewing bullshit about flavors in it. All a larp. Tired of it

[Anonymous No.19290988]

>>19287835
Bro it’s all of them. I tried 13 bottles last weekend and they all smell like the hand sanitizer in my car. It’s cool that you want to be the whiskey guy and pretend that’s interesting but god damn it’s so fucking annoying to listen to.

[Anonymous No.19291005]

>>19290988
Gin is much more similar to hand sanitizer than whiskey, but alcoholics hate this Fact that you are telling them. Alcohol basically smells and tastes about as good as gasoline unless and until you have brain trained yourself into associating that flavor with the euphoria of oblivion.

[Anonymous No.19291158]

>>19276436
>inventing solutions for problems that don't exist.
What they're doing is creating a product and quite often they find suckers who buy said product

[Anonymous No.19291177]

>>19282503
Sue them. It caused irreversible damage to an irreplaceable part of your body. It's their fault. This one senator got a lot of shit for chipping his tooth in the cafeteria then sueing but he was 100% in the right to do so as are you.

[Anonymous No.19291854]

>>19276480
>Just buy this beans bro, your own strainer etc.
Shut up
Shut the fuck up
Ground instant, milk, water
Done.

[Anonymous No.19291863]

>>19291177
I would not like to be such a defeated little weasel that I would stoop to such silliness

If your teeth are too weak to not break, that's on you

[Anonymous No.19291993]

>>19291863
the chips lawyers would btfo him anyway, having meth mouth is his own fault

[Anonymous No.19292142]

>>19285915
Coffee snobs are the worst, but they are right that good coffee is barely more effort and expense. Even just grinding beans for a $20 Mr. coffee pot or free ancient peculator makes a huge improvement in taste.

It's really the espresso crowd since the machines are expensive and the need for a quality grinder is important for the machine l.

[Anonymous No.19292151]

>>19291854
Your ignorance is only exceeded by your faggotry.

>The cheapest processed goyslop coffee is the best okay!
>Burnt rubber, wood, and acidity is good
>I just eat Top Ramen and a Flintstones vitamin cuz it's all I need.

[Anonymous No.19292167]

>>19292151
What's a fat weeb like you talking like that.

Affectation