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[Anonymous No.19092518]

Is French champagne really renowned for its excellence?

[Anonymous No.19092520]

Some of it. There's no such thing as non-French champagne, so the entire range of champagne quality is produced in France.

[Anonymous No.19092527]

>>19092518
Judging by the heavy buzz my dude was sporting in these outtakes, I would wager that the answer is yes.

[Anonymous No.19092532]

>>19092518
That’s Paul Masson “California champagne”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxwf1jxdaM

[Anonymous No.19092538]

>>19092518
I'll need that chapagne with a side of pringles

[Anonymous No.19092539]

It's vintage dated

[Anonymous No.19092543]

>>19092520
>There's no such thing as non-French champagne
That's not true, champagnes are produced here in Australia, and certainly other places as well.

[Anonymous No.19092544]

it's fermented in the bottle

[Anonymous No.19092553]

>>19092543
It's not champagne if it's not from Champagne, which is in France.

[Anonymous No.19092571]

Warning

[Anonymous No.19092640]

>>19092543
Unless it’s from the Champagne region of France it’s “sparkling wine”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_wine_region

[Anonymous No.19092825]

>>19092518
>>19092543
>French champagne
Redundant. Champagne is is a protected appellation for sparkling wine made in the Champagne region in France.

[Anonymous No.19092839]

>>19092825
Does this apply to the US? I know the EU has their own laws on this that the US doesn't recognize just like how we sell parmesan cheese in Kraft shaker bottles.

[Anonymous No.19092849]

>>19092839
that’s why it’s called “Parmesan” and not “Parmigiano Reggiano”

[Anonymous No.19092852]

>>19092839
Protected in the US since 2006, and the pre-2006 producers need to label the wine geographical origin.
https://wineinstitute.org/our-industry/statistics/wine-fact-sheets/sparkling-wine-champagne/#:~:text=Several%20U.S.%20producers%20label%20their,allowed%20to%20use%20the%20term.

[Anonymous No.19092853]

>>19092839
Americans can and will call any sparkling piss "Champagne"

[Anonymous No.19093092]

>>19092553
>>19092640
>>19092825
weird history fact, France gave a Cognac and Champagne training and naming rights to Uruguay (from 1946 until 2016), as a thanks for help during WW2 and as debt payment

[Anonymous No.19094240]

>>19093092
In what way did Uruguay help France during WWII?

[Anonymous No.19094245]

>>19092518
yes. some new world champagnes are delicious too.

[Anonymous No.19094248]

>>19092518
MWAAAAHH
the french...

[Anonymous No.19094249]

MWAAAAAAAAAAAA ZEE FRENSH

[Anonymous No.19094251]

Euros trying to enforce their goofy ass naming conventions again, lmao. Nearly as bad as when they tried to stick a u in the word color.

[Anonymous No.19094255]

>>19094240
free latina pussy i think

[Anonymous No.19094265]

>>19094255
A well needed ration, even more so for the French.

[Anonymous No.19094266]

>>19092518
Yes. If you can afford a good vintage 20+ year old clos du mesnil definitely try it. Very tasty.

Grab a bottle of 2008 cristal if you want to try an incredible champagne that is more affordable.

[Anonymous No.19094285]

>>19092518
CHAMPAGNE?

[Anonymous No.19094288]

>>19092518
Sparkling wine that isn't Champagne tastes like sulfur.

[Anonymous No.19094291]

>>19094288
Prosecco tastes good tho

[Anonymous No.19094334]

>>19094240
probably canned food

[Anonymous No.19094338]

>>19094334
>food

[Anonymous No.19094391]

>>19092553
>>19092520
>>19092825
>>19092640
How low Euros have fallen, that they need to greedily claim common names rather than be satisfied with their wide use. Some real "Credit the artist, Elon" mentality.
It's the same way they have whole institutes to prescribe the correct form for their dead languages.

[Anonymous No.19094396]

>>19094391
Weird and low iq post.

[Revenge of the nerds No.19095887]

>>19092518
HEY THAT YOU

[Anonymous No.19095900]

Prosecco is better.

[Anonymous No.19095901]

Orson at least gave it a taste test lel

[Anonymous No.19095908]

>>19094338
these are great for a hoy meal on a long sailing trip

[Anonymous No.19095910]

>>19092518
The outtakes from that commercial are The great Orson Welles BASED AF

[Anonymous No.19095930]

>>19095910
It's a loss for humanity that his talk show was never picked up by a network.

[Anonymous No.19095935]

>>19092518

[Anonymous No.19096491]

>>19095935
That cat is showing great restraint by not swatting at the funny bubbles

[Anonymous No.19096606]

>>19096491
That cat doesn't look like it needs externally-applied restraint.

[Anonymous No.19097672]

>>19092553
thats where youre wrong kiddo

[Anonymous No.19097690]

>>19097672
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.19097742]

>>19092543
>Australian champagne
You mean sparkling woongabazza wine

[Anonymous No.19097770]

>>19092518
The independent producers in Champagne are. The big name brands get their grapes from outside Champagne and they're no better than a simple cava or prosecco. Other bubbles are just/still shit

[Anonymous No.19097799]

>>19092518
The fucking region they named the drink after is in France. What the fuck do you think? It’s like asking is New England renowned for its New England style Clam Chowder? Should I order that shit from Zimbabwe instead? Is the prosciutto di Parma in Parma any good? Is the Chinese food in China worth trying? Should I get my key lime pie from the Florida keys or from Walmart? WHY ARE YOU ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS IM GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASANE!

[Anonymous No.19097805]

>>19097799
I had better chinese food down the block at Joey's to be quite honest

[Anonymous No.19097811]

>>19097805
They refused to make me General Two’s chicken in China. They said I made it up and was too fat for fried food anyway. Stupid idiot bug people

[Anonymous No.19097818]

>>19097811
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.19097936]

>>19094285
PERHAPS HE'S WONDERING WHY YOU WOULD SELL A WINE BEFORE ITS TIME

[Anonymous No.19099534]

>>19092518
It's fermented in the bottle, and like the best French champagne, it's vintage dated.

[Anonymous No.19099543]

>>19092553
and they're not african if they're not born in kenya.

[Anonymous No.19099592]

>>19092518
MWUAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.19099617]

>>19094251
How is naming a wine after the region it comes from goofy? Champagne is the place Champagne is made. Bourgogne is the place Bourgogne is made. Bordeaux is the place Bordeaux is made. Cognac is the place Cognac is made.

Anything using the name that is not made there is a cheap imitation of the real thing.

[Anonymous No.19099620]

>>19095900
Yes, that's why it costs a fraction of the price of Champagne. Because the market is wrong.

[Anonymous No.19099913]

>>19099620
Most of the reason literally anything (mass produced) costs more is because of marketing and not actual value or quality

[Anonymous No.19099941]

mahAWWWHH the frensxh shampain

[Anonymous No.19100086]

>>19092571
im australian and i have single-handedly destroyed 3 generals on this board
they are now nothing but meta schizo posting
all it took was 7 months.

[Anonymous No.19100090]

>>19099543
yes i agree.

[Anonymous No.19100110]

>>19092520
>>19092543
>>19094391

damm you really triggered the counterfeit wine internet defense force lol

pro tip: if a wine cannot stand on its own merits it's not going to be good. you don't see lamborghini calling their stuff "ferrari style cars" do you? like imagine if samsung started selling "apple style phones" lmao. meanwhile poors drinking australian 'champagne wine" will get bootyblasted if you imply that they're drinking substandard product

not that australia can produce decent wine to begin with, but america actually makes some decent bottle fermented wines, none of which say "champagne" on the bottle because that's a dead giveaway that the product is meant for mimosas and shit

[Anonymous No.19101742]

>>19092518
MUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH The French
................
champagne, has always been reknown for its excellence.
>tfw can't post kino because webms with audio still aren't supported sitewide

[Anonymous No.19101772]

Its hilarious that the French try to claim champagne when the English invented it

[Anonymous No.19101776]

>>19100110
Australia does make some good shiraz. Penfolds is really nice.

In california there is a fairly common style of red wine referred to as a "bordeaux-blend"

I think terroir plays a role in protected designations for wines as well.

[Anonymous No.19101796]

>>19092518
French here.
Honestly, champagne is nice.
But know that there is a wild variation between "brands".
I myself prefer "Clairette de Die", which is sweeter and goes very well with desserts.

[Anonymous No.19102311]

>>19100086
lol sure ya did

[Anonymous No.19102390]

>>19092518
Yes

[Anonymous No.19102457]

>>19101776
penfolds is ok, I wouldn't call it "really nice"

and I believe what you're referring to is the so-called "meritage" blend, I've never seen anyone call it a "bordeaux blend" on the bottle though to be fair I don't drink california wine often because the inexpensive stuff is undrinkable and by the time you're drinking the "good stuff" you're spending so much money you might as well get something from somewhere that the producers are legally prevented from lying on the botle

[Anonymous No.19102482]

>>19102457
I thought Penfolds grange is a world class shiraz/syrah. I've had some of their bin wines in the 30-50 range and they were quite nice.

Yeah good cali wine is expensive, but you can get some phenomenal stuff. Syn qua non is one of many I have enjoyed a lot. They absolutely stand up to french syrah.

[Anonymous No.19102555]

>>19102482
oh yeah I forgot about le grange, I was talking about their bin such and such wines

I don't doubt that they can make a good $1000 wine but that's not interesting to me. I'm sure mohammad bin salman and elon musk can get together and kidnap the finest wine makers in the world and force them to farm genetically enhanced dijon superclones on a space station orbiting uranus and they could make $100,000,000 wine and it would be amazing because everything from sunlight to soil is designed and manufactured by advanced AI that knows everything there ever was to know about wine, but who cares? it only matters what people produce good wine that I can drink every day, or at least once a month if I'm feeling fancy, this isn't a football game we're just filling our stomachs with rotten grape juice during dinner, if I can buy it at the local store without the price tag making me think about my retirement savings then the wine is doing its job

[Anonymous No.19102562]

>>19102555
Fair enough...

[Anonymous No.19102656]

>>19099617
>all wine produced in bordeaux is bordeaux
>all wine produced in champagne is champagne

[Anonymous No.19103387]

>>19102656
What point are you trying to make? Sure, some very low quality wine is declassified as vin de table, but otherwise all wine made in those regions carries the regional label.

[Anonymous No.19104257]

>>19103387
I think some people mistake "mandatory" for "sufficient"

It's like the CICO smoothbrains who won't STFU about calorie counting because their brains can't process anything more complex than simple arithmetic while everyone else has moved on to the actually interesting topics like macros and glycemic index

[Anonymous No.19104832]

>>19099617
>Cognac is the place Cognac is made
Did not know that. I thought cognac is just brandy with a higher price tag.

[Anonymous No.19104841]

>>19103387
They only make bubbly wine in the Champagne region? That's weird.

[Anonymous No.19104853]

>>19095900
>>19099620
>>19099913
shh don't tell anyone

[Anonymous No.19104854]

>>19104257
>everyone else has moved on to the actually interesting topics
Calorie counting is pretty boring but whatever gets you to eat less is good in my book. But yes it all boils down to CICO in the end. All these fad diets are just creative ways to restrict your calorie intake.

[Anonymous No.19104862]

>>19092518
is that tucker carlson?

[Anonymous No.19104912]

>>19092520
Champagne is made all over the world what are you talking about

[Anonymous No.19104915]

>>19092543
Based
>>19092520
Gay

[Anonymous No.19104933]

>>19092518
Bonjour à tous.
Je suis un Français de France et vient aujourd'hui pour vous dire que le Champagne est une grosse arnaque :)
Je suis passé d'abord au Prosecco, puis au Sekt Autrichien.
Sorry, not sorry.

[Anonymous No.19104949]

>>19104933
which french wines do you think are worth it?

[Anonymous No.19104961]

>>19104949
might be the same frenchanon who thinks beaujolais-villages is the same thing as beaujolais nouveau, reminder that being french doesn't make your opinions about wine any more valid than the average chinese princeling

[Anonymous No.19104997]

>>19104961
you make a good point. I was asking because I haven't tried a french wine that I really liked other than côtes du rhône

[Anonymous No.19105021]

>>19104961
Don't know who you're talking about. But Beaujolais nouveau is, as a foreigner, the closest you'll get to "table wine" as it was made by my grandparents. Basically fermented grape juice, to be enjoyed fresh.
>>19104949
White : I'm very partial to Premières Grives, from Tariquet. It looks like honey and tastes like the last berries of autumn.
Red : I dunno. Saint-Joseph is usually a good bet. Otherwise Augias Montagne Noire.
Rosé : Puech-Haut is good. And is real rosé (I.e from pink grapes) IIRC.
Sparkling : if you want to price in and still get champagne choose KRUG. Stay away from Moët Chandon. Otherwise you'll get plenty of good choices in Crémant d'Alsace (Isenbourg is good)

[Anonymous No.19105032]

it really is tucker

[Anonymous No.19105033]

>>19104997
>côtes du rhône
That's a bit wide.

[Anonymous No.19105050]

>>19105021
there's wine like that in my area and I'm not french, I think most grape growing areas have something like that. beaujolais nouveau is just a well known example because of dubouef and their aggressive promotional efforts

[Anonymous No.19105069]

>>19105050
>there's wine like that in my area and I'm not french
While funny enough that sort of wine is not drank much in France outside of the meme of Beaujolais Nouveau.
Too bad because I enjoy it. It's refreshing.

[Anonymous No.19105523]

>>19099620
Same processes, but Champagne used to be extremely limited and even more expensive. It still commands higher price points because of perceived exclusivity.

[Anonymous No.19105579]

>>19097690
>prove a negative
burden of proof lies on you, friend

[Anonymous No.19105698]

>>19094251
I guess coming from a country where every place is either named after a european city (Athens & co.) it shouldn't come as a surprise that you don't understand traditions.
It's not like you'd just tack on a "new" after every british city and call it yours (New-York...).
Oh no no no you wouldn't be so uninspired and bland that you'd call the remaining cities a bingo-styled variation of "rock/spring/falls" + "ville/town/city/burg".

It's the same with your foods, your corn is the same everywhere, so is your milk, everything is bland and uninspired.
So you take a european food product that's been made from a specific land for eons, because of very very minute characteristics of the soil composition, climate and hydrometry, and strip it of everything that gives it its taste to grow it our of vats in California.

That's the difference between Champagne, and the sparkling wines that you produce, ours has soul, it's a land and you can tell where it's from. Yours is soulless.

[Anonymous No.19105729]

>>19105579
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.19105732]

>>19105698
Winelet post. Good california wine goes toe to toe with any french wine except drc burgundies.

[Anonymous No.19105741]

>>19092553
Other countries produce Champagne styled sparkling wine. If we are being pedantic about it. I'm not wrong.

[Anonymous No.19105761]

>>19105732
Holy hell I'm not talking about Cali wines in general, I'm talking about Cali Champagne, which isn't champagne, because most of the USA doesn't have the precise fucking soil, climate and everything else which makes Champagne unique. France has a shitton of different soils (like the US), we can make so many different, unique wine precisely because we exploit and make a tradition out of "terroirs", ie. having ingredients whose geographical origin makes them unique.
Fucking hell learn how to read.
It's like, say, if you wanted to make himalayan pink salt in Cali by using sea water. Sure you might make good salt, but it's not fucking himalayan salt. Just like how french wine makers don't say "hey this is Californian Wine" when they're talking about some wine made in cold Alsace. Champagne is a terroir, it's a place, a soil, the brand name only comes from the recognition that a special wine can be made from this place.

[Anonymous No.19105897]

>>19092518
it's renowned for overpriced douchebagry.

[Anonymous No.19105905]

I wonder if there's some "méthode ancestrale" Sparkling from the US.
Should be interesting for wines coming from the northern coasts.

[Anonymous No.19106113]

What other kinds of wine are produced in Champagne besides the stuff that tickles my nose?

[Anonymous No.19106123]

>>19092640
In the US there is a part of Wisconsin called the “Champagne of Beer” region but I don’t think the French have ever complained

[Anonymous No.19106129]

>>19106123
That's because they'd have to interact with people from wisconsin in some capacity, that's a lose-lose proposition

[Anonymous No.19106133]

>>19106123
that's a comparison and not weirdly naming your wine a different wine region entirely.
although it's still silly because champagne styled beer is called brut.

[Anonymous No.19106146]

>>19101776
>good shiraz
Almost a contradiction in terms. They grow shiraz in Australia because it happens to be a grape that can tolerate the barely habitable conditions of that forgotten continent. The wine of that grape is generally harsh and unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.19106157]

>>19106146
they'll hate you because you told the truth

[Anonymous No.19106255]

>>19092518
>french champagne
nice bait

[Anonymous No.19106834]

>>19106146
>the barely habitable conditions of that forgotten continent
Australia, the land of nothing but deserts, post apocalyptic highways filled with murderous biker gangs and killer spiders that will eat a man whole

[Anonymous No.19107003]

>>19092553
They say it’s spelled “kyiv” and I don’t give a fuck about that either.

[Anonymous No.19107006]

>>19107003
Equating the two is truly retarded.

[Anonymous No.19107012]

>>19107006
They say gif is pronounced jiff and I don’t give a fuck about that either.

[Anonymous No.19107073]

>>19106146
That's weird. Most snobs are angry that Australian wine is too sweet. Sweetness is not harsh in any culture.

[Anonymous No.19107092]

>>19107073
Shiraz is hardly sweet. It's a rough red wine which is anything but sweet

[Anonymous No.19107104]

>>19092853
as do the French

[Anonymous No.19107156]

>>19106834
Oh wow what a beautiful place, I sure hope there isn't a season where spiders drop down from the sky using silk parachutes and proceed to cover the land in webs !

[Anonymous No.19107357]

>>19106834
Looks like indonesia or uganda or something. Good wine needs cool nights and warm days and not too much water, I'm sure the pinapples and coconuts are nice though!

[Anonymous No.19107361]

>>19107003
>>19107012
You are over 50

[Anonymous No.19107515]

>>19105021
>Otherwise you'll get plenty of good choices in Crémant d'Alsace
this is probably the best wine advice in this thread

[Anonymous No.19108828]

>>19107357
So the climate in that region is perfect.