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Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:38:48 2023 No.19015385 [Reply] [Original]

What is it about avoiding animal products that causes people to become incredibly smug and annoying? Is it just a few bad actors ruining their reputation as a whole? My friends and I can be discussing anything food related when our one vegan friend just HAS to interject with some vegan bullshit about how protein is actually bad for you or how eggs cause cancer so it's good they're being price gouged. I used to be a vegan myself but never felt the need to lecture people about it, hell most people didn't even know unless they straight up offered me meat. Does it just draw narcissistic people who always feel the need to prove they're somehow better than everyone else? I guess avoiding meat would be a pretty easy way for a narcissist to get off and view themselves as superior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:41:21 2023 No.19015393 because it's usually not for health reasons, it's for ethical reasons. and if you view other people as acting unethically, you would try and have them change their behavior.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:45:53 2023 No.19015415

>>19015393
Then why not start with that argument rather than making shit up about protein being bad or eggs being unhealthy? When base your whole argument on lies about health concerns it doesn't make people want to join your side. Why not make the ethical argument in the first place?

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:48:48 2023 No.19015428

A city centre near me does this food fair thing on thursdays and fridays where they have marketstalls selling food n sundry foodstuffs.
I've noticed this lady recently who turns up with a handwritten sign that says "If you think vegans are loud you should hear the screams at a slaughterhouse" and she has a little speaker playing "screams" of what must be pigs n cows. I've wanted to tell her what she is doing is really uncool and possibly illegal but she has some soyboy accomplice constantly recording her on his phone so I just ignore her.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:51:23 2023 No.19015440

>>19015415
ethics aren't objective, but if you can provide a scientific argument for why someone is wrong, even if the intent is ethically driven, you probably have a better chance at changing them.
no one wants to be told they are morally wrong, but they might be willing to listen if they are objectively making unhealthy choices and unaware of the fact.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:51:59 2023 No.19015444

>>19015428
They're doing it as bait. They want someone to confront them so they can escalate it and post it on tiktok like they're the victims. Militant vegans have no place in society. You don't want to eat meat? That's fine, but don't force your shit on others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:53:08 2023 No.19015448 >>19015428 Probably pigs. Cows are usually docile to the end. Pigs figure out what's going on pretty quickly and get to squealing before they're even strung up for stunning.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:54:47 2023 No.19015456

>>19015440
But most vegan "nutrition" is bunk and they're making shit up on the spot or getting information from propaganda sources like nutritionfacts.org. It's underhanded to try and tell people that veganism is the perfect diet when both vegetarians and pescatarians are healthier. Ethically veganism is sound, nutritionally? There are better options.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:00:32 2023 No.19015481 >>19015456 yes. but that's my theory for why people do it. it's like religion. it doesn't matter how they convince you to join, they just have to do it, because you're living in sin and are damned if you don't.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:02:30 2023 No.19015487

>>19015385
I just wanted to stop by and say I'm one of the vegans that just eats health and doesn't bother anyone, and I'm not a liberal. Just wanted to let you know that not all vegans are the exact same, just in case (lots of people assume that)

Have a nice day bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:02:43 2023 No.19015490 >>19015385 If you think you're right about something, you'll say what you think. If you think it's important, you'll try to bring it up frequently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:03:09 2023 No.19015492 >>19015487 jesus christ dude no one asked if you were a fucking vegan holy fuck

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:05:19 2023 No.19015500

>>19015456
>But most vegan "nutrition" is bunk and they're making shit up on the spot
This shill just keeps running around telling lies like this on /ck/ and /fit/ ALL THE LIVE LONG DAY

>or getting information from propaganda sources like nutritionfacts.org.
"I disagree with it so it's wrong and propaganda!"

>Gets shown objective factual evidence that animal products massively increase the risk of many different health problems
>ItS PrOpAgAnDa!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:06:24 2023 No.19015504 >>19015492 >jesus christ dude no one asked if you were a fucking vegan >holy fuck The thread mentioned vegans you psycho

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:09:07 2023 No.19015513

>>19015492
>>19015504
You know why they're angry right? Because they're a shill and they hate that you are getting rid of the stereotype/illusion that all vegans are liberal nutjobs that run around screaming at people in steak restaurants. They are likely invested in the idea in keeping that propaganda as the main illusion so that the public assumes all vegans are something negative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:10:23 2023 No.19015518 >>19015504 i'm just fuckin around mate, just thought it was funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:12:15 2023 No.19015521 >>19015500 buddy, nutritionfacts.org is run by a known quack who just lucked out on the url name

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:14:08 2023 No.19015527 >>19015487 Trust me I know, and I appreciate it. I was the same way when I was vegan. Just kept to myself about it unless someone was offering me pizza or something. I'm just wondering what draws the insufferable types to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:19:45 2023 No.19015545 >>19015456 >Ethically veganism is sound It isn't though as a moments though would reveal. But veganism is a cult of the simpleminded and the amino acid deprived.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:21:29 2023 No.19015554 >>19015545 How is it not ethically sound? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to start a fight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 18:39:26 2023 No.19015615 I'm not even vegan but I hear meat retards bragging about muh ebin paleo gigachad diet 100x more often

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:33:38 2023 No.19015774 >>19015615 You aren't fooling anybody, rabbi.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:36:30 2023 No.19015784

i dont think vegans are annoying enough

if you think animals are being "genocided" and you grant them the same moral consideration as humans then they should be rioting in the streets, and never speak with meat eaters ever again

basically the version of what the left does with "nazis"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:38:43 2023 No.19015788 >>19015385 I've only had vegans try to make me feel bad that an animal suffered in the supply chain, and they don't always do that. I've never even seen vegan propaganda in a 4chan self-serve ad, and lots of funny things get advertised there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:41:51 2023 No.19015793 >>19015385 Annoying vegans kept me away from veganism. So yes, vegans should be as annoying and obnoxious as possible until society decides on a solution to them

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:42:52 2023 No.19015799 >>19015784 >never speak with meat eaters ever again Stop I can only get so erect

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:43:51 2023 No.19015804 >>19015385 Same reason christfags become smug and annoying. They have a sense of moral superiority

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:46:55 2023 No.19015819 >>19015804 >They have a sense of moral superiority that's because we literally have that how does someone who thinks their own thoughts and emotions are just electrons spinning think they can have morals?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:48:36 2023 No.19015827 >>19015804 OP here, I'm also a Christian but just like when I was vegan I'm not a dick about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:56:54 2023 No.19015867 >>19015819 By choosing to have morals because it makes the world better instead of having to be compelled by threat of punishment.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:01:51 2023 No.19015886

>>19015867
>By choosing to have morals
But according to your worldview you literally don't have free will, so that's a contradiction.
>because it makes the world better
You need to define "better", and we're discussing what makes something good or bad. That's a meta question. So you're just being circular
>instead of having to be compelled by threat of punishment.
So when you say "if you dont eat your soup, you will be hungry" to your kid you're not being moral?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:05:53 2023 No.19015902 >>19015886 a) lie b) I'm not going to delve that deeply into it because it's not board appropriate c) idiotic assertion Your education has failed you.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:41:56 2023 No.19016059

>>19015385
Because a normal, healthy society would worship a god and have a proper religion to venerate. Our sick culture threw that out, but the religious impulse is tough to eradicate, so something else has to take the place of a god or goddess. It can be twitter activism, some political ideology, or some weird esotetic practice, anything.

The vegans OP has met fall into this category. They don't believe in God, and it's not an ascetic practice for them like it is for monks, but they've decided to make it the core of their personality. Hence they have to proselytize. And because it teaches them a new morality, they have all the intellectual subtlety of an Inquisitor about it. Hence why they are on a high horse about lecturing me about my sins when I was just trying to eat my stir fry in peace.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 21:52:11 2023 No.19016316 >Insecure faggot OP starting a thread just to hatewank another normal day on /ck/ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dxzEkfBnKW8

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 21:56:00 2023 No.19016328

>>19015385
>Friend goes vegan, has vegan boyfriend
>Oh anon you should go vegan too, you should see my boyfriend he can eat an entire pizza (explain to me how the fuck that's vegan) and breakdance
>She gets me a job at the same restaurant her boyfriend works at
>By the end of the day her boyfriend ate more meat than I do in two days

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 21:58:47 2023 No.19016341 >>19015428 >Get a lot of meat, it doesn't matter what it is just go there with a bag of hot dogs >Stand close to her, say nothing and just eat the hot dogs They can't use the footage against you because people will think that it's funny

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:14:25 2023 No.19016400

>>19015440
Every movement, every single movement ever starts with something that is true
Veganism started with animals suffer and I don't like it which is 100% true the animals do suffer and you are entitled to not like it
Problem is then 90% of the movement becomes bullshit
That's why they create fake science
Thats why they sneak into mexico an murder some chickens on camera and then claim that's how every chicken in the USA is treated
That's why they claim people don't know how animals are treated then when people learn how they get treated and still don't care they keep claiming that people don't know because knowing and not caring is somehow impossible
That's how they justify bringing laptops to a playground and forcing children to watch pigs getting slaughtered and act like there is nothing wrong with that, bitch women get raped and I have a 50gb compilation of it and I don't go to a school to show the children how it happend
It's also how the justify terrorism, why are you mad we are commiting terrorism? We are just helping the hecking animals, everyone agrees with us because most people like dogs and that means most people are against eating meat
There was a video, the most retarded thing I have ever seen of a group of vegans protesting at a farm and they weren't allowed in so they gathered at the entrance and then a truck full of live cattle tried to exit and they just stood in the way and didn't let him go through and they all touched the cows and cried and gave them wateyou fucking morin if something goes wrong while the literal slave who isn't allowed to have his own documents is trying to get the truck out you are going to die, other vegans are going to due and a bunch of cows are going to due a long agonizing death and it will be all because if you

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:15:26 2023 No.19016403 >>19015440 Ethics are personal Mirals are dictated by society Nobody can tell you what is ethical or not

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:17:48 2023 No.19016410

>>19015456
What's vegan food like?
>Oh it's actually very diverse, there are so many dishes based on pasta, rice or beans and thanks to modern science we can recreate a lot of things that require dairy or egg
So what did you eat today?
>Burger and pizza and donut

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:19:06 2023 No.19016413 >>19015804 I have never met a Christian but Jewish people have always been nice to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:29:37 2023 No.19016762 >>19015867 lol@your perspective and assumptions >>19016403 society says it's okay to mass murder kids but not put mass murderers to death, get a better source for morals >>19016413 because you're a naive goy :^)

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:45:35 2023 No.19016819

>>19015385
Vegans are almost always annoying because the kind of people who tend to go vegan are the kind of people who tend to be annoying. They do it because they desperately want to feel like they are in control of their life and that veganism lets them elude the terrible no good consumer food. So it's not veganism itself causing people to be annoying, but rather the people who go vegan that are already annoying, and being vegan simnply gives them a convenient justification for shitting on others under the pretense of "health advice".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:46:59 2023 No.19016825 >>19016403 Baseline morality and empathy is etched deep into the brain of every normal human. Lacking it means being mentally ill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:54:18 2023 No.19016852 >>19016410 I actually follow the Mediterranean diet because going full vegan isn't ideal for active lifestyles or lifting weights. I eat a huge variety of fruits, vegetables, pasta, beans, grains, seafood, and sometimes chicken.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:00:47 2023 No.19016866 File: 277 KB, 974x968, 2457423747.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19015385 Vegans better check themselves, if they get even 1% more annoying I'm burning down every potato farm on the planet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:05:15 2023 No.19016880 Literal autism, in many cases.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:09:12 2023 No.19016893 File: 7 KB, 299x168, download (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19015385 >narcissistic people who always feel the need to prove they're somehow better than everyone else? This , its just extremely transparent virtue signaling

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:14:16 2023 No.19016911 File: 445 KB, 2048x1830, 1677023002848441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19015554 Do you think its unethical for a lion to eat a gazelle? Do you think humans are more than just another apex predator ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:16:08 2023 No.19016918 >>19016911 Solid point, but I think you're not taking into account our capacity for empathy. We know suffering when we see it, most animals do not.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:20:53 2023 No.19016940

>>19016918
>We know suffering when we see it, most animals do not.
I am not so sure about that, animals have been shown to have empathy for pain even a sense of fairness.
If animals could not sense pain in others, it would make child rearing pretty tough

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:26:26 2023 No.19016963 >>19015487 If you were eating for health you would be eating meat. Meat is the most nutritionally dense food on the planet. Nothing can replace it. Vegans don't eat for health they eat because it's their religion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:29:13 2023 No.19016974 >>19016918 why would you be empathic towards someone or something who lacks empathy? do you feel empathy for child rapists?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:32:44 2023 No.19016998

>>19016974
Not him , but I feel empathy for them. They did not choose to be like that I am sure.
Its hard enough for me to be attracted to women who I hate more than anything but still have sex with because I cant control myself.

I would off myself if I were in their predicament , I am sure its horrible

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:34:05 2023 No.19017004 >>19016974 My brain tells me to feel empathy for other humans yes. Logically I know they should be deleted from the population but there's no reason to kill them slowly when the goal is to get rid of them, an instant death button does the same thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:36:33 2023 No.19017015 >>19017004 I have managed to kill sheep in a remarkably humane manner. Would you feel ok about eating an animal I had raised , given a great life to and killed painlessly?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:39:21 2023 No.19017027

>>19017015
>Would you feel ok about eating an animal I had raised , given a great life to and killed painlessly
Yes(I don't know if you think I'm an earlier anon but the only other post I've made is >>19017004, I am not vegan and have no issues with killing animals for food)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:43:36 2023 No.19017056 >>19016974 >why would you be empathic towards someone or something who lacks empathy? Because that is exactly how humans operate. Without empathy there is no humanity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:45:30 2023 No.19017061 >>19017027 Oh I thought you were the guy arguing the ethical soundness of veganism I guess he left

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:46:18 2023 No.19017067

if you were objectively correct about something that nobody else gave a shit about being wrong in, then yeah you'd probably be an insufferable cunt about it.

when a nerd goes WELL ACTUALLY DARTH VADER NEVER SAID THAT he feels good about getting to flex his superior intellect but then since nobody else fucking cares, he gets ridiculed anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:46:51 2023 No.19017072 >>19017061 Yeah ny bad for jumping in on a debate in progress

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:47:09 2023 No.19017073 >>19017061 Nah I'm still here >>19017056

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:47:25 2023 No.19017074 >>19017067 There is nothing objectively correct about vegans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:48:34 2023 No.19017080 >>19017072 No worries brother, the more the merrier Its a pretty mild a civil debate so far anyway Kind of nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:51:44 2023 No.19017088 >>19017073 Oh there you are How did you feel about the point I tried to put across here?>>19016940 And would you eat my ethical( by my standards) lamb chops

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:55:05 2023 No.19017094 >>19017056 hence why we eat animals and not other humans

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:55:23 2023 No.19017098 >>19015415 Veganism isn't exactly healthy without supplements but that doesn't mean the amount western people eat fried meats isn't a major contributor to preventable deaths

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:55:24 2023 No.19017099

>>19017088
>>19016940
Are you sure they can feel cross-species empathy? I'm not sure animals view their prey with as much empathy as their offspring. I would eat your lambchops btw, I don't like to turn down food made by others and I especially wouldn't want to waste meat. I'm not vegan either btw just to clarify, I know we all started replying to others so just wanted to make sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 00:56:36 2023 No.19017105 >>19017094 You have a good point there, but what about dogs? We have very strong feelings for dogs but I guess we have spent over 40k years evolving side by side in a symbiotic way.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:00:54 2023 No.19017126

>>19015385
>>19015393
Most meat eaters call vegans annoying because they have some level of cognitive dissonance. They couldn't actually kill every animal they eat themselves and don't want to watch footage of slaughterhouses etc.
I'm not quite either but I have much more respect for people who actually hunt non endangered species than someone whose diet relies on hormone injected factory meat sitting their fat ass on the couch and calling themselves an alpha predator

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:02:11 2023 No.19017129

>>19017074
Factory farming in the US is, objectively, extremely destructive to the environment and gives the animals being farmed incredibly poor lives. You can argue that you don’t care about the consequences of factory farming, but you can’t argue that those consequences don’t exist.

. Tue Mar 7 01:02:23 2023 No.19017132
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>>19017099
Perhaps there is more than one way of feeling empathy for animals that are your prey. I felt great empathy for the sheep I kill , but minutes later I am eating raw liver.
I feel no guilt in this , just a strong feeling that occupying the part of nature I was evolved to inhabit

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:03:39 2023 No.19017138
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>>19017105
or rather we've spent over 40k years making dogs more like humans so we can empathize with them
you know
the more human traits an animal has, the less you want to eat it

. Tue Mar 7 01:06:36 2023 No.19017150

>>19017138
For that billboard, switch the rabbit and the horse and thats where I draw the line
I would never eat a horse since I grew up seeing them as a strong ally
I had rabbits too but I never felt bad eating them
We have different contracts with different animals

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:06:39 2023 No.19017151 >>19017129 Big Corp farming is far worse for the environment and is destroying the ecosystem of much of the western and eastern world. Wrong again vegan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:10:30 2023 No.19017163 File: 186 KB, 1080x1080, vegan btfo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19015385

. Tue Mar 7 01:17:02 2023 No.19017185

>>19017151
Still, feed lots are horrible all the way around
Lamb killer here

I am a big regenerative ag guy
I know its frowned upon but I am going to shill my favorite propaganda documentary

I honestly think this is the way forward

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Free if you have netflix

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:18:11 2023 No.19017191

>>19017151
Finish the train of thought. Big corporation farming grows feed crops for factory farmed animals in a way that is destructive for the environment. If the American diet wasn’t so meat-heavy, that farmland could be used for crops that are suited for the land available rather than trying to grow corn and soy that aren’t even fit for human consumption. And fwiw, I’m not a vegan.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:21:23 2023 No.19017197

You know what would help the world even more than vain virtue signaling? Having 7 billion less people. Imagine how many problems could be solved if you didn't have to take into consideration millions and billions of people when you had to make decisions.
We don't need less farms and animals we need less humans. Do your part, if everyone helped out we could solve the problem in only a single day.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:21:49 2023 No.19017202

>>19017191
>If the American diet wasn’t so meat-heavy, that farmland could be used for crops that are suited for the land available rather than trying to grow corn and soy that aren’t even fit for human consumption.
it could yes, but what makes you think those wouldn't all be soy and corn also? who's to say meat won't be replaced by a nutritionally inferior and more profitable product? why wouldn't it?

. Tue Mar 7 01:22:44 2023 No.19017204

>>19017191
Most of the fields that grow grains are not fit other crops
Ruminants eat grasses that we cannot digest grown on land we cant grow vegetables on
Everyone wins as long as you keep the cows and sheep where their food is grown so they can poop and graze
When you take them to the feed lot, you fuck everything up

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:33:23 2023 No.19017242 >>19015385 vegan diets cause people to become deranged because they are not fit for humans

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 01:50:14 2023 No.19017300 >>19017202 >who's to say meat won't be replaced by a nutritionally inferior and more profitable product? why wouldn't it? So you’re saying that the root of the problem is the capitalist profit motive? Because if so, I agree :^)

>>	. Tue Mar 7 03:18:53 2023 No.19017740 >>19017300 The way to fix the whole deal is regenerative ranching

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:24:40 2023 No.19017770 File: 117 KB, 720x540, 1677828835612875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19016341

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:27:58 2023 No.19017789 File: 33 KB, 960x815, 1677827274871802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19016974 Yes.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:34:10 2023 No.19017809

>>19016400
Vegans are retarded. animals suffer way more in the wild when they die and millions of animals would never have existed if they weren't raised for food. I would rather have lived and grazed on some beautiful pasture then die quickly rather never having lived at all.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:43:36 2023 No.19017849

i've been avoiding telling people i'm vegan as much as possible
only person i've told so far has been my mom, and only because she was visiting my house for a week, couldn't really hide it without avoiding cooking or eating out the whole time she was visiting, and she went on to tell the rest of my family before i visited them a few months later
morally speaking, the best thing to do would in fact be to be proselytizing about it, but that's not exactly going to be effective when so many other people have already come to that conclusion and decided that being a screeching retard was the best approach and permanently turn everyone off from the idea
so about all i can do is quietly minimize my own impact and adopt a different diet and eating out habits until cultured meat and synthetic milk becomes widespread enough that i can be fairly certain that whatever it is i'm buying wasn't factory farmed

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:06:47 2023 No.19017938

>>19015385
they feel as sense of moral superiority as if they are talking down to a criminal, but i am not the cuck in charge of making sure those animals are treated and killed humanly.

i was once left me alone with a vegan by my stupid mom, and the piece of shit thought i was some kind of blank slate because i was like 4 year old lmfaooo i got really close to getting beaten by him in public. the tipping point was when he kidnapped me to a vegan restaurant and i said i wanted hamburger and that i wouldn't eat the shit he bought to me. he literally almost started flipping the tables.

>how protein is actually bad for you or how eggs cause cancer
the conversation always ends after you ask for sources, that or they will rape change subjects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:06:47 2023 No.19017939 >>19017809 The problem is a lot of animals are born in china and india. If I was an animal I would rather have never been born or skip past life and go straight to hell than end up there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:07:58 2023 No.19017944 >>19017849 Why did you want to make your mom cry? Couldn't you have just said you had a stomach flu and snuck a loaf a bread on the toilet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:46:51 2023 No.19018082 >>19015385 clearly just mocking vegans isn't enough to get them to stop being fucking retarded. We should beat the living shit out of them for saying smug or stupid crap instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:55:03 2023 No.19018407 >>19016852 How huge we talkin here?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 07:03:52 2023 No.19018436

I can see where vegans are coming from
I think the problem is in two parts
1. not everyone accepts that buying meat that was industrially farmed is wrong
2. judging people in your life for their moral failings is not acceptable
I'm not really sure where I stand on this
If I had a friend who chucked his cat around despite the cat clearly not liking it or who kicked his dog I don't think I'd want to be friends with him any longer
I buy and eat meat

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 07:09:12 2023 No.19018450 >>19016852 Yeah same I love the Mediterranean diet because it's a high fat diet I could never feel satisfied with other diets but with the Mediterranean diet, getting 35-40% of my calories from fat has really helped

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:09:50 2023 No.19018525

>>19017138
To the left of pets, to the right of humans.
If someone decides they want to eat their pet for some reason, that is their prerogative as its owner.
Aside from being likely quite poor quality meat, I see no reason why they wouldn't be allowed to do so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:31:04 2023 No.19018553 >>19016403 Don't know where you get those definitions. Ethics is the overarching system and morals are the rules determined within that system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:49:03 2023 No.19018592 >>19017944 lmao what

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:18:43 2023 No.19020260 File: 144 KB, 1280x720, 1678220312318.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19018082 stop attacking whites jamal

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:51:02 2023 No.19020375

>>19016852
>>19018450
I simply adore the Venetian fritto misto instead of the gefrituurde vis from Bruges. It's so much better with Mediterranean fish. The stoccafisso is definitely an improvement over the original (and exactly the same) stokvis and so is baccala. Fuck bakkeljauw. Which, again, is the original product and exactly the same.

There is no Mediterranean diet. I'm really sorry. They (we) buy Nestlé, Unilever, Berkshire-Hathaway garbage just like anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:59:14 2023 No.19020399 >>19015385 As with anything else, it's always the loud minority.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 21:04:43 2023 No.19020416 I've literally never met someone whom I knew to be a vegan that wasn't a skinny fast alcoholic. Let them waste away and kill themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 21:11:51 2023 No.19020444 >>19020260 I'm not a nigger you complete fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:22:46 2023 No.19020669 >>19020375 There is a Mediterranean diet, your mistake is thinking that what we call the Mediterranean diet is supposed to be representative of what Mediterranean people eat in a cultural/historical sense

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:28:41 2023 No.19020691 >>19020444 It’s what’s on the inside that counts, my brotha

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:29:52 2023 No.19020695 >>19015393 actually I mind my own business and dont expect the world around me to change

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:41:48 2023 No.19020716 >>19015415 Because veganism isn't ethical. You cant argue for welfare when your quinoa is being farmed by child slaves and your agave syrup being produced by huge companies stealing Indigenous Mexican farming land.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:05:36 2023 No.19020805 >>19020716 where do you think animal feed comes from, dipshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:10:35 2023 No.19020822 >>19015788 >suffer Do they think animals killed and eaten by other animals in nature don't suffer? >>19015819 >if I make up a strawman, people won't find it weird how I need an organized cult and a magic sky daddy to tell me not to rape and murder

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:35:40 2023 No.19020911 >>19020805 so you're admiring veganism is equal in morality to a regular diet?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:51:33 2023 No.19020963

If Vegans actually cared about reducing animal suffering they wouldn't continue pushing a diet adopted by like 0.3% of Americans that is losing traction and will never be adopted on a mass scale.

It's nothing but virtue signaling from beginning to end. Cancel culture may not be a thing but outrage culture and pearl clutching certainly fucking is.

The sensible thing to do would be to encourage small-scale, humane farming and eventually cultured meat through increased funding and raising awareness, but that goes directly against their very nature so it will never happen that way.

I have no problem with a person who's a vegan for purely personal reasons. The Vegan diet itself is mostly fine as well and can be decently nutritious long-term (definitely not the best though, that's fake news) and it's definitely been misrepresented as a flat out shitty, unhealthy diet. It's still leagues more healthy than a SAD diet if done properly.

But "ethical" vegans are by and large retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:54:56 2023 No.19020975 >>19020963 vegans should be fed to other vegans until they cease to exist frankly

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 23:59:19 2023 No.19020985

>>19020911
meat production requires far more agriculture, and thus far more labor, than just eating the plants directly, in addition to the labor required for raising and slaughtering, plus the obvious additional animal cruelty involved in that process
if minimizing human suffering is your only concern, veganism is still the best way to go

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:06:08 2023 No.19021016 >>19020985 >labor is suffering I bet getting out of bed is suffering for you too.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:46:59 2023 No.19021158

>>19021016
i'm seriously hoping you're a different guy and you're not willfully ignoring the "child slaves" bit you brought up yourself, but i'll spell it out for you regardless
when i mentioned labor, i was specifically referring to the exploitative borderline slave labor often used for most agriculture
chickens are the most efficient at turning calories of feed to calories of meat, and they do it at a 9:1 ratio, cows have a 25:1 ratio
whatever human suffering you might attribute to agriculture, you'd have to multiply it 9x for meat, at a minimum
in terms of labor, economics, even thermodynamics, it's just inefficient

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