/ctg/ Coffee Time General

[Anonymous No.18669230]

Thread for discussing coffee and coffee-related topics.
Espresusso edition

If you're new or confused, start here: https://pastebin.com/UEzwuyLz
If you're old or confused, drinking anything cozy lately?

Previous Thread:>>18656057

[Anonymous No.18669248]

aeropress

[Anonymous No.18669331]

>>18669230
to drink goffee
or just go to sleep

[Anonymous No.18669340]

>>18669331
Both.

[Anonymous No.18669366]

some anons made fun of my shitty ceramic mill grinder a month or so ago
i finally bought a k6 and it arrives today
thanks for bullying me anons, can't wait to enjoy a better cup :)

[Anonymous No.18669395]

>>18669366
What's your brewing method?

[Anonymous No.18669406]

>>18669395
mainly pour over, occasional french press, once in a while moka pot.

[Anonymous No.18669408]

>>18669366
>thanks for bullying me anons, can't wait to enjoy a better cup
it's gonna be way way better. enjoy!

[Anonymous No.18669409]

I paid $15 for a bag of coffee beans and it just tastes like regular coffee.

[Anonymous No.18669412]

>>18669409
>I paid $15 for a bag of coffee beans and it just tastes like regular coffee
grinderlet detected

[Anonymous No.18669413]

>>18669406
Nice. K6 is more than enough for all of those

[Anonymous No.18669461]

>>18669366
Glad to help friend. Pay it forward. Bully the next anon who needs an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.18669467]

>>18669409
what coffee

[Anonymous No.18669483]

ooh sumatra is so stinky

[Anonymous No.18669499]

>>18669467
https://www.nossacoffee.com/collections/coffee/products/augustas-organic

[Anonymous No.18669508]

>>18669499
LOL

[Anonymous No.18669536]

>>18669508
Have I been played for a fool? This can't be

[Anonymous No.18669547]

>>18669536
$22/lb for
>Origin : rotates seasonally
They're buying whatever south american greens they can get cheap and roasting it dark enough that it tastes like coffee and tards like you keep paying for it.

[Anonymous No.18669556]

>>18669547
dude, but,but, it's a family, they wouldn't rip you off...

[Anonymous No.18669565]

that's a real hot coffee pot

[Anonymous No.18669567]

>>18669556
My portuguese grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out we weren't ripping off PNWhites with her name.

[Anonymous No.18669570]

>>18669556
They ripped me off. The owner made a blog post about joining the George Floyd riots and he overpays farmers from his home country. At least it's organic though.

[Anonymous No.18669633]

>>18669499
Fucking lmao

[Anonymous No.18669646]

>>18669230
still no discount on bripe

[Anonymous No.18669678]

>>18669570
This is what I paid for some organic single estate small farm greens in a sick microclimate. God damn I miss green coffee coop. They only had about 6 listings at a time but it was all fucking A+ tier. I need to check out greencoffeebuyingclub next but I kind of want to buy a box from royal first.
>Region: Lake Atitlán
>Producer: Tinamit Tolinan Cooperative
>Process: Washed and patio dried
>Clean, honey sweet well balanced cup with hints of cherry/plum and nice chocolate tones.
Coffee that tastes like coffee in the best way. Great for when you want to gift shit to a tastelet and have them begging for more.

[Anonymous No.18669682]

>>18669646
more like brape lol

[Anonymous No.18669763]

>>18669536
DESU it doesn't sound terrible - I assume it's a medium roast by the description. What grinder do you have?

[Anonymous No.18669768]

>>18669678
what roaster you got?

[Anonymous No.18669790]

>>18669366
I'd like to know how good it is. Come back and share. You don't have another good grinder to compare it with, so this one will blow the old one away. You could talk about build quality, too.

[Anonymous No.18669834]

>>18669768
Modded $20 popper and a popper* I'm going to start working on modding in January. Whenever I get bored of small batches I'll snag a freshroast and razzo glass upgrade and stick the tc4 into it.
https://artisanaltechnologies.co.uk/
https://www.popperisacoffeeroaster.com/

[Anonymous No.18669869]

>>18669763
1Zpresso. It's not bad, just boring but maybe I should've expected that from something named "breakfast"

[Anonymous No.18669915]

>>18669834
I wish you would build a machine from the ground up with a heat gun and a rotating drum.

[Anonymous No.18669936]

>>18669646
*koff koff* bro u wanna hit mine? just ground some fresh light roast girlscout cookies bro *koff koff*

[Anonymous No.18669951]

coffee beans took too long to arrive so I've been scrounging off preground coffee for the past few days

[Anonymous No.18669970]

>>18669915
I mean. I can with that tc4+ no problem, I just don't want a drum roaster. I'd much rather get some parts fabricated and rip off this guys design then not pay roastlogger. Modded freshroast sr800 route will get me real close with minimal effort.
https://youtu.be/Eb1DwesJ-x0

[Anonymous No.18669990]

>>18669951
How has it been? Also do you have no roasters close enough that you could drive over and pick up a bag on the same day that you run out? Even if it's not terribly good it's probably still better than supermarket coffee.

[Anonymous No.18670056]

>>18669990
it's a blessing in disguise because I'm gaining a new appreciation for freshly ground coffee
>Also do you have no roasters close enough that you could drive over and pick up a bag on the same day that you run out?
I don't want the beans to arrive a day after buying a whole bag, although I'm considering it at this point

[Anonymous No.18670068]

>>18670056
They don't sell small doses? I'm in an experimental phase right now trying out lots of different "local" (i.e. in the same country) roasters and I can usually get 100g bags, or at least 200g ones.

[Anonymous No.18670105]

>>18670068
I didn't know it went lower than 250g

[Anonymous No.18670108]

>>18670105
Depends on the roaster, I saw one place selling fucking 50g doses.

[Anonymous No.18670143]

>>18670108
that's not even enough for me to decide if I like it or not

[Anonymous No.18670242]

>>18670143
In the future they'll start selling packs of 5 beans for a dollar +tip. They'll come in the mail in foil packets like candy wrappers.

[Anonymous No.18670329]

>>18670242
can't wait to pay for a subscription where they deliver it 6 times a day

[Anonymous No.18670348]

>>18670242
I love single use foil packets. If I could get my coffee in 15g packets I would

[Anonymous No.18670386]

>>18670348
You'll have to settle for recyclable materials.

[Anonymous No.18670395]

>>18670386
Paper is fine too

[Anonymous No.18670398]

>>18670348
>>18670386
fuck

[Anonymous No.18670427]

>>18669951
>preground coffee
oof, basically a teacuck

[Anonymous No.18670460]

>>18670398
xbloom looks cool as fuck since you can just buy the reusable cup

[Anonymous No.18670487]

>>18670398
>RFID
Retarded. Should've used a QR code so that they aren't making e-waste with every cup brewed.

[Anonymous No.18670488]

>>18670460
It looks significantly less dumb than other bean to cups, but still pretty dumb. Seems good for like, reception areas for plastic surgeon offices. At home you're better off with an orea and any grinder you want.

[Anonymous No.18670517]

>>18669366
I come back to /ctg/ after half a year and see Kingrinder getting shilled when I was shitposted for getting a K6 at the time
What happened?

[Anonymous No.18670534]

>>18670517
They started paying me. I get $75 for every femobook conversion. We call it the niche killer. Also them cutting the price from $160 to $99 didn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.18670679]

What grinders y'all got? I got a Fellow Ode because it looked cool, and the grinders I actually wanted don't ship to the US.

[Anonymous No.18670733]

>>18669366
literally me
I got tired of my dollar store grinder since the nylock nut I modded into it made adjusting difficult, but removing the nut completely or loosening it slightly makes the burr fall off as I grind.

[Anonymous No.18670851]

>>18670679
wug2 83a
Anyone sip on anything particularly tasty today?

[Anonymous No.18670879]

>>18670851
my sister mixed macha and milk into a liberica I brewed for her

[Anonymous No.18670900]

>>18670879
Based. Sometimes I'll throw a little swissmiss into my brazlians to make them not boring.

[Anonymous No.18670933]

>>18670679
>I got a Fellow Ode because it looked cool, and the grinders I actually wanted don't ship to the US.
i hope you got SSP MP or cast burrs

[swaglord No.18670942]

>>18670679
>What grinders y'all got?
monolith max SLM
1zpresso ZP6

>>18670851
working through a couple bags from proud mary. cortado with ghost rider (natural kenya/brazil blend) and a pourover with next level (kenya natural)

[Anonymous No.18670987]

>>18669366
i have a Breville Smart Grindr Pro. Is it any good, or should I kill myself?

[Anonymous No.18671063]

>>18670679
rok grinder

[Anonymous No.18671070]

>>18670679
I have a normalfag Baratza Encore that I haven't sold yet
My daily grinder is a Kingrinder K6

[Anonymous No.18671096]

timemore c2 aka zp6

[Anonymous No.18671099]

>>18671070
Daily?
Don't work, do you?

[Anonymous No.18671108]

>>18671099
You don't have 10 minutes every morning to grind and brew coffee before leaving for work?

[Anonymous No.18671114]

>>18670987
yeah its good enough, but struggles on coarser grinds

[Anonymous No.18671129]

>>18671099
Look at this tough guy, I bet he drink instant coffee black.

[Anonymous No.18671169]

>>18670987
Dogshit.
>>18670942
Nice! Sworks finally shipped my fucking wdt tool.

[Anonymous No.18671175]

>Had to survive with shitty instant coffee from the hotel
>Arrive home too late to make myself some goffee
>MFW no good goffee for 5 days

[Anonymous No.18671208]

>>18671175
just make coffee pussy.

[Anonymous No.18671218]

Y'all, should I buy an Aeropress for traveling?

[Anonymous No.18671249]

>>18671114
>yeah its good enough, but struggles on coarser grinds

i bought it because a couple of bloggers said it was good enough to play around with espresso. I'm not doing coarse grinds on it

[Anonymous No.18671251]

>>18671169
>Dogshit.

elaborate. what makes it so bad? why should I upgrade?

[Anonymous No.18671282]

I love coffee
I love you retards. except the filthy aeropress gang subhuman.

[Anonymous No.18671286]

>>18671218
it's good for traveling. and then it's good when you get home and realize it's simple and reliable as hell and use it there too.

[Anonymous No.18671291]

>>18671251
A $33 kingrinder k0 has the same burr, finer adjustment, and generates less fines because of the inherently lower rpm. A $99 kingrinder k6 will blow it the fuck out of the water. You paid ~$160+ to add on a shitty motor+hopper+screen and some coffee blogger made a couple bucks off the affiliate link.
https://www.amazon.com/KINGrinder-Adjustable-Aeropress-Consistency-Stainless/dp/B098SLK9FG

[Anonymous No.18671297]

>>18671286
I bought a Q2 so my grinder can fit inside of an Aeropress just not sure it's worth packing a press+grinder.

[Anonymous No.18671302]

>>18671297
definitely would pack it. I have the same setup. makes good cohee

[Anonymous No.18671313]

I just got a P64 with the new Mizen Omni burrs, upgraded from a Kinu M47. AMA if you’re curious about the Omni burrs or difference from the Kinu.

[Anonymous No.18671342]

>>18671313
Ayo another kinu to cast brother.

[Anonymous No.18671346]

>>18671342
hot

[Anonymous No.18671354]

>>18671297
>>18671302
Is there a Kingrinder equivalent to the Q2?

[Anonymous No.18671361]

>>18671354
No you have to go up to 48mm in the k5/6 to get that geometry so you lose out on the aeropress docking.

[Anonymous No.18671426]

got a can of mcdonalds columbian. good stuff better than folgers by a margin. making it with a moka pot.

[Anonymous No.18671431]

>>18671291
>some coffee blogger made a couple bucks off the affiliate link.
but I didn't use an affiliate link?
>anon posts his own affiliate link
i see what you did there. since it's the same burr as what you linked, i see no reason to buy another appliance. nice try tho. GG EZ.

[Anonymous No.18671488]

>>18671431
Oh no its retarded.

[Anonymous No.18671833]

V60 recipes that I found, take like 3 minutes altogether. But when I do pour over in a melita, let's say 300g of water, then for almost all the water to drip through it takes like almost 5 minutes with blooming etc. Should I try to adjust for it somehow?

[Anonymous No.18671978]

>>18671361
>aeropress docking
Is everything about the aeropress SuperGay?

[Anonymous No.18672157]

I want to upgrade my grinder.
I drink lighter to medium roasts.
I am debating between the DF64 with SSP burrs - niche zero - craig lyn HG-1 Prime and the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose

so far I am leaning toward the HG-1 Prime as it seems to be a good balance between texture and clarity and since it's manual I feel it's going to last a lifetime compared to an electrical one. but maybe I haven't heard about other grinders and wondering which one you guys use.

[Anonymous No.18672237]

>>18671833
>Should I try to adjust for it somehow?
yes, adjust variables based on what tastes good to you

[Anonymous No.18672251]

>>18672237
I've made some good tasting cups like this. But I am wondering If I am doing an obvious mistake by letting the process take longer than with a different brewer.

[Anonymous No.18672267]

>>18672251
>But I am wondering If I am doing an obvious mistake by letting the process take longer than with a different brewer
not at all. if it tastes good, you're doing it right

[Anonymous No.18672298]

>>18672157
>I drink lighter to medium roasts.

flats:
>Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose
dont know much about this, but seems like burrs arent swappable, so youre stuck with eureka burrs
>DF64 with SSP burrs
great price and can be shipped with SSP burrs (MP or HU for espresso). likely needs shim alignment & a couple (easy) mods to make quality of life improvements (declumper, dial indicator)

conicals:
>niche zero
classic italian style espresso - thicker mouthfeel - with good workflow. not great for light roasts
>craig lyn HG-1 Prime
much nicer than niche, other than having to hand grind. conical so thicker mouthfeel and decent for light roasts, but not as good as a well aligned flat

only better grinders are going to be getting into the Lagom P64 (similar to DF64 with out of the box alignment and better build quality) and 75-98mm burr territory (kafatek, lagom p100, titus) where price goes above $2500

[Anonymous No.18672398]

>got this Breville espresso machine like a year ago when we found it on sale at HomeGoods for like $250
>gf stowed/tossed the manual
>decided to go get it online today to find the expected dose of the single shot filter
>found out that there's a magnetic slot for the tamper and the top is supposed to be a cup warming tray
Kinda unnecessary, but still neat.
Also, the manual has some pretty decent instructions for brewing espresso and steaming milk.
I've told her that if this breaks and we can't get replacement parts, I want to get one of those cafelat robots. They look really nice.

[Anonymous No.18672401]

>>18672298
the Lagom p64 and other models you've mentionned are a bit out of my budget.
I have narrowed my choice between the DF64 with SSP burrs and the HG-1 Prime.
I think I'll go read about those on home-barista

[Anonymous No.18672437]

too much goffee bros...
its over for me, leave me behind i can't make it.

[Anonymous No.18672444]

>>18672401
>DF64 with SSP burrs and the HG-1 Prime
def read up on home-barista. i'd think about it in terms of what you want out of the espresso (i'm assuming youre focusing on espresso since you said texture and clarity).

light roast focus, fruitiness, clarity, acidity, floral notes with thinner body, 1:3+ ratio sweet spot,: SSP Multipurpose

medium to light roast focus, fruitiness and acidity but more mixed and more body, 1:2 - 1:3+ ratio sweet spot: SSP HU

all around roast focus but not as much on light, tons of texture, little clarity, 1:1 - 1:2 ratio sweet spot: HG1 (mazzer 83mm)

also look into SSP Cast 64mm burrs - their version of the Lab Sweet - less clarity, more texture, but still flat burr profile. probably between the HU and Mazzer

[Anonymous No.18672493]

>>18672444
>>18672401

just found this and he breaks down burr recos for taste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQx7YPYq4S8

[Anonymous No.18672497]

>>18672493
also this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqAn5qydts8

[Anonymous No.18672621]

Is the cheap crackpot style roasters good for anything? I though about starting to experiment with roasting. Also, I have a wilfa il solito grinder I got a year ago as a christmas present. Its breddy good for grinding shrooms, but what is the verdict for coffee grinding? Is it bad or worse?
I'll have to save some money for the equipment used here, but in the meantime I'd like to start with something

[Anonymous No.18672622]

>>18672444
>>18672493
>>18672497
Thank you guys, I really appreciate your help.

[Anonymous No.18672650]

>>18672621
Nvm, the solito seems to be shit wrapped in a nice box

[Anonymous No.18672773]

Say no more. I have everything I need.

[Anonymous No.18672783]

Is chicory any good alone?
Any recs?
I want something good, but with no caffine.

[Anonymous No.18672784]

>>18672773
based. as long as you enjoy your coffee that is what matters the most my friend.

[Anonymous No.18672787]

>>18672773
>screenshot

[Anonymous No.18672799]

>>18672773
Forgot someone, whoopsieesss

>>18672784
Thanks you, wholesome spreading partaker

>>18672787
>reduces image size
>ensures image doesn't flip
>crops out stuff I don't want you to see

[Anonymous No.18672813]

>>18672799
>Canadian vanilla Silk oat milk
whoa.

[Anonymous No.18672828]

>>18672799
>he can't edit pictures without taking a screenshot
lol

[Anonymous No.18672829]

>>18672799
>crops out stuff I don't want you to see
What esoteric secrets do you hide from us bean ascetic?

[Anonymous No.18672840]

>>18672828
Nice bait, fart sniffer. Some methods are easier on mobile.

>>18672813
Ye, real good schtuff.

>>18672829
In this case, my broken drawer

[Anonymous No.18672845]

>>18672840
>fart sniffer
are you 12 years old? fucking embarrassing

[Anonymous No.18672848]

Look at him sniff

[Anonymous No.18672851]

>>18672840
Some 4chan apps let you scrub metadata (which includes the thing that flips the image) and change the quality/resolution of the image before you post it. Can't crop though

[Anonymous No.18672863]

>>18672840
>>18672851
Yeah it's not 2006 anymore. Your phone can crop no problem.

[Anonymous No.18672864]

>>18672851
>Some 4chan apps let you scrub metadata
4chan automatically scrubs exif

[Anonymous No.18672869]

>>18672845
>he doesn't maintain a banter spectrum that spans from innocently silly to psychoticly gruesome

[Anonymous No.18672872]

>>18672864
Yeah but the image ends up flipped as a result. At least last I checked.

[Anonymous No.18672873]

>>18672864
This is good to know. I assume all boards get their images treated?

[Anonymous No.18672874]

>>18672873
>I assume all boards get their images treated?
ya - test uploading a pic from your phone that has exif then downloading it. everything is scrubbed

[Anonymous No.18672883]

>>18672874
Thanks friendly supporter. How is your day going? Have any good brews?

[swaglord No.18672892]

todays goffee

[Anonymous No.18672897]

>>18672883
yes, i've had some nice cups today. thank you fren :) how about you?

[Anonymous No.18672952]

>>18672892
Your red mug is very kino. What material is it?

>>18672897
Plural nice cups. That's gotta be gud. Happy for ya, that's not always possible to achieve, you know?
I'm still polishing off the cup in the photo above,
>>18672799
It's nice and smooth. It's cooling down though. I should nuke it

[swaglord No.18672969]

>>18672952
>Your red mug is very kino. What material is it?
it's a vintage Anchor Hocking Fire King mug. i think it's similar to pyrex. not dishwasher safe tho as i sadly found out with one of them. ruined the glaze

[Anonymous No.18673185]

>>18672650
When we talk about hand grinders punching well above their price point, we're comparing them to shit like the cheap wilfas and baratza/brevilles. $20 set of burrs jammed into a shiny housing with the cheapest motor they could source.

[Anonymous No.18673223]

>>18673185
Kek, noted. We'll see if hobby gets out of hand for me.

[Anonymous No.18673263]

>>18673223
This hobby*

[Anonymous No.18673265]

>>18673223
Feel free to ask any questions. Someone will probably be around to link youtube videos they haven't actually watched.
https://youtu.be/JySL64iigT4?t=2620
https://youtu.be/DR3p20NXnVo

[swaglord No.18673278]

>>18673223
>We'll see if hobby gets out of hand for me.
yess come to the dark side :^)

[Anonymous No.18673300]

>>18673265
Thanks!
>>18673278
Oh shit!

[Anonymous No.18673309]

>>18673265
what's the color legend?

[Anonymous No.18673331]

>>18673309
NTA but it's kinda obvious m8
>red = shit
>yellow = meh
>light green = ok
>dark green = excellent

[Anonymous No.18673343]

>>18673309
Levels of autism

[Anonymous No.18673344]

>>18673343
you're neon green level of autism lmao GOTCHA

[Anonymous No.18673345]

best creamer?

[Anonymous No.18673346]

>>18673345
Your bf's cum

[Anonymous No.18673358]

>>18673345
Most are fine, though i only use creamer to cover up bad coffee (its destroys the flavor of good coffee), so idk what the best one would be

[swaglord No.18673364]

>>18673265
needs ZP6!

[Anonymous No.18673367]

>>18673345
>chinese longevity milk

[Anonymous No.18673372]

>>18673309
Don't think about it too much. Avoid reds, there's probably a better option for yellows, light greens are starting to get good, darker greens are typically lighter greens with better build quality.
So if you were comparing kingrinder k5 to 6 you can see they've got the same burrs, k6 has a little bit smaller stepsize, and way more convenient external adjustment(Ring at the top instead of a dial in the catch cup). Bumps it up a bit comparatively.
Going from K6 to K-max, same burrs, external adjustment, slight difference in step size(not that big of a deal for a filter focused grinder), but the kmax will have better tolerances and build quality. K6 goes on sale for $99, so its up to you to decide if thats worth the extra $130.

[Anonymous No.18673374]

>>18673364
I'm waiting to see if they're keeping it around or just using it to get rid of the K bodies.

[Anonymous No.18673452]

>>18670679
>What grinders y'all got
Mignon Specialita for Espresso with a Flare Pro 2
Comandante for filter
I mostly do light or light/medium roasts.
I feel like I still know nothing about coffee

[Anonymous No.18673492]

>>18673367
kek

[Anonymous No.18673523]

>>18673265
Well, off to sale hunting then. Do you happen to have that same kind of autism deployed for roasters?

[Anonymous No.18673563]

>>18673523
See.
>>18669834
You'll have alot of fun and great coffee right out of the box with that popper*($70), but they've been out of stock for 6 months and can't get a manufacturing run fulfilled. I'll almost feel bad ripping it apart in a few weeks. Might just open it up tonight and see what I'll have to do. That pic of my modded $20 popper isn't impressive whatsoever. Just following a guide and sourcing the right parts. Jamming it all into a stack of coffee cans was a funny idea but I'm not doing that dumb shit again lol. You could look into a freshroast sr540 for ~$200 or something like a hive($75+upgrades if you want them) if you're down to roast on a stove and stink up your place.
https://hiveroaster.com/collections/frontpage/products/cascabel-smokeless-gas-stovetop-coffee-roasting-hive

[Anonymous No.18673583]

>>18673563
Thank you, I'll look into it.
Nice build you got there!

[Anonymous No.18673644]

>>18673583
It was a test build that ended up working so it never got changed kek. Next one will be a little bit more put together. That popper* didn't exist yet when I was wired up the first one so thats def a better starting point now.

[Anonymous No.18673741]

>>18673644
>when I was wired up
Jesus christ google has me talking like an esl.

[Anonymous No.18673760]

>>18673644
Nice.
Fukken europa doesnt have kingrinds available. Is Q2 enough for a noob like me, or should I go straight to J-MAX or jx-pro?

[Anonymous No.18673767]

You guys should really find a name besides popper lmao

[Anonymous No.18673775]

>>18669230
EXPLAIN HOW TO MAKE GOOD CAPPUCCINO OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU! DON'T DUMB IT DOWN INTO SOME VAGUE SHIT! EXPLAIN CAPPUCCINO TO ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOU! HOW LONG DO I STEAM THE MILK? HOW MUCH MILK DO I USE? DON'T DUMB IT DOWN OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU

[Anonymous No.18673800]

>>18673775
First you get some coffee and some milk. And then you make a cappuccino. Hope that helped.

[Anonymous No.18673802]

Can I make cold brew in an empty plastic bottle and just filter it out when pouring into a cup?
Also any good coffee accessories in aliexpress besides scales?

[Anonymous No.18673815]

>>18669248
GANG
>>18671218
Yes
>>18671282
I cleaned em
>>18671297
I do, and I travel for a living
>>18671978
Nothing about it is, except it's haters

[Anonymous No.18673830]

>>18671354
No. All kingrinders are roughly the same size

[Anonymous No.18673868]

>>18673760
Q2 is a great filter grinder, just a little less convenient because the smaller burrs/capacity. Will cut slower+take more effort than the same geometry but bigger. Jmax and pro are more "espresso focused" burrs, but Matt Winton won the brewers cup with a Kinu that the J series knocks off so its all going to be preference. I posted a pic of some other burrs earlier but heres the jxpro and kinu.
>>18671361
>>18673767
People have been using hot air popcorn poppers to roast coffee for 40 years. Then last year a guy had a chinese factory make an old school high powered popcorn popper with knobs to control heat/fan speed. For some reason he named it Popper*(is a coffee roaster).

[Anonymous No.18673904]

>>18673815
How do I get a cups worth or coffee with the travel without making an americano

[Anonymous No.18673933]

>>18673815
Enjoy your BPA moobs, I guess.

[Anonymous No.18673937]

Got the fancy stuff in lads!

[Anonymous No.18673953]

>>18673933
I found out some people don't have a little voice in their heads and just immediately talk without restraint, is that you?

[Anonymous No.18673954]

>>18673815
>I cleaned em
banchou, I kneel.

[Anonymous No.18673968]

I just had a brilliant idea. You know how really hot coffee is both too hot to drink but also doesn't taste as well? But cooling it down with ice dilutes it? Well what if you freeze brewed coffee in an ice cube tray and use frozen coffee cubes to cool down your freshly brewed coffee?

[Anonymous No.18673981]

>>18673953
That's a negative. I'm a player character with an inner monologue. I was joking, but we really do need to removing plastics from our daily lives as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.18674002]

>>18673968
why not brew over ice and factor the weight of the water into your brew ratio

[Anonymous No.18674006]

>>18674002
Will reduce the amount of water you brew with

[Anonymous No.18674011]

>>18673868
Maybe I'll have to go with the Q2 for now, if I cant find the kingrinds anywhere

[Anonymous No.18674049]

>>18674006
works for aeropress
I think Jimmy Hoffa recommends it for making pour over iced coffee, and if you were only seeking to drop the temp to drinkable instead of iced you'd lose very little effective extraction

[Anonymous No.18674083]

>>18673775
>HOW MUCH MILK DO I USE?
about one cappuccino's worth

[Anonymous No.18674099]

>>18674006
You compensate by grinding finer

[Anonymous No.18674107]

>>18673904
You dont
>>18673933
I've got more free test than your dad
>>18673954
Buy an aeropress NOW
>>18673953
Fact

[Anonymous No.18674143]

>>18674107
>Buy an aeropress NOW
gang gang

[Anonymous No.18674150]

>>18674143
Based and sex appeal pilled

[Anonymous No.18674155]

>>18673937
Who do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.18674164]

>>18674143
Lewd

[Anonymous No.18674178]

>>18674011
I think aliexpress is the only way for euronons to get kins.

[Anonymous No.18674186]

>>18674178
You can import them from burgerland. Comes out to about 150€ for a k6, which is about how much you're gonna pay for it on ali

[Anonymous No.18674470]

>>18672773
This particular setup would be better with an aeropress

[Anonymous No.18674494]

>>18674470
Plastic enjoyers need not to comment

[Anonymous No.18674713]

KINO ALERT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzrs7hj7Sto

[Anonymous No.18674864]

>>18674713
less wasty, more tasty

[Anonymous No.18674879]

Turkish Coffee


Do I need a good pot, or I am being meme?

I already have a good burr grinder for espresso.

[Anonymous No.18674901]

>>18674879
>Turkish Coffee
>Do I need a good pot

you need one with the right size connector for the pipes under the sand

[Anonymous No.18675090]

>>18674713
based Scrubs appreciator

[Anonymous No.18675108]

[Anonymous No.18675138]

>>18675108
I am equal parts revolted and understanding

[Anonymous No.18675305]

>>18675108
Mocha pots aren't big

[Anonymous No.18675326]

>>18675305
haha mocha cock

[Anonymous No.18675396]

>>18674155
A Briton and therefore I deserve better than the usual Lyon's coffee I buy. Lyon's is also fancy, but it's the cheapest coffee in my village at 1.69 a jar. If I travel to the nearest town I can get an 89 pence jar of Asda own brand.

[Anonymous No.18675486]

goffee

[Anonymous No.18675500]

What a shame I'm broke, they're selling silver cups again. 80ml would be fine for espresso
https://yunnansourcing.com/products/goldfish-jingdezhen-and-pure-silver-cup-set?_pos=4&_sid=f2e1ec04f&_ss=r
https://yunnansourcing.com/products/lotus-pure-999-silver-and-jian-shui-clay-cup?_pos=14&_sid=4ad30aadf&_ss=r
https://yunnansourcing.com/products/pomegranate-jingdezhen-and-pure-silver-cup?_pos=2&_sid=4ad30aadf&_ss=r

[Anonymous No.18675504]

>>18675486
Habesha cutie

[Anonymous No.18675715]

>>18675500
Potter here. These are very refined ceramics. The one with the hare's fur glaze is technically excellent. Precision cast, clean as hell foot despite a runny glaze, overglaze luster (maybe).

[Anonymous No.18675925]

>>18675715
I'm kind of fixated on the concept of silverware to notice ceramics, but they have names like Jianshui and Jingdzhen that may be a big deal in China or something.
https://yunnansourcing.com/collections/jian-shui-purple-pottery
https://yunnansourcing.com/collections/jingdezhen-porcelain-wares
I never got teaware from this website, but the one time I ordered tea from them years ago it was good stuff. Nice to know their stuff seems legit

[Anonymous No.18675926]

>>18669230
>instant coffee is trash don't buy that
>capsules are trash don't buy that
>commercial beans are trash don't buy that
>yes! specialty is good but only if you know how to pick and can pay big bucks

Jesus christ can a poorfag just get a nice cuppa.

[Anonymous No.18675941]

>>18675926
Google "freshly roasted coffee" in your cunt's language with location on.
A roaster can't be farther than 30 minute drive.
Go there and have some. Mine does free all-you-can-drink tastings

[Anonymous No.18675950]

>>18675926
In my area, even walmart has decent stuff.

[Anonymous No.18675982]

>>18675926
>can a poorfag just get a nice cuppa.
depends on how ignorant and or how low your standards are.

i think you can good beans for much cheaper if you roast them yourself but thats a whole other thing.
i have also heard other poor fags rave about dunkin donuts beans or something.
and you can get into pour over for like less than $300usd and thats a buy it for life type shit.

[Anonymous No.18675986]

>>18675950
sure it does champ.

[Anonymous No.18676001]

>>18675986
Last time i had it (like 3 years agp tbf), black rifle coffee was great.

[Anonymous No.18676006]

>>18676001
>black rifle
this is bait

[Anonymous No.18676014]

>>18676006
I remember thier stuff being good, whats the issue with them?
also brands like peets, intelligentsia and stumptown are also there (all coffees that are perfectly fine)

[swaglord No.18676146]

>>18676014
>I remember thier stuff being good, whats the issue with them?
cheap beans roasted dark and marketed as "conservative" to sell to boomercons

[Anonymous No.18676161]

>>18676146
i remember them tasting good, but they totally sold to conservative types hard when I got them.

[swaglord No.18676170]

>>18676161
>i remember them tasting good, but they totally sold to conservative types hard when I got them.
their brand got fucked when they came out against kyle rittenhouse. now a lot of conservatives dont like them. and they support police who have donated to kyle rittenhouse so the left doesnt like them because of their "ties to white supremacists" (the left never liked them to begin with, but this is the new reason).

i'm just glad people are saying their coffee sucks, no matter their reasoning :^)

[Anonymous No.18676189]

>>18676170
Shitty hill to die on.
oh well, the other coffees are fine.

[Anonymous No.18676217]

need to transport some freshly roasted sealed coffee over a two day drive, with an overnight at a hotel.
does it matter if i leave the coffee in the trunk of the car, to experience the day's heat and the night's cold or nah? if i must, i could bring it into the hotel room with me overnight, i never turn on the heat and i could stick it in a cool corner so it doesn't experience a temperature shock if need be.
but it'd be way easier to just leave it in the car.

[Anonymous No.18676377]

>>18676170
kys tripfag

[Anonymous No.18676488]

>>18676189
yeah stumptown is showing up at my local markets and it's always a nice option to have in the back pocket

[Anonymous No.18676520]

>>18676488
agreed, a local roaster or even online is better, but sometimes, im in walmart and i need coffee, so options are nice.

[Anonymous No.18676574]

>>18675982
>you can get into pour over for like less than $300usd
You can get into pourovers for much less than that.
q2 grinder - $100
v60 dripper - $20 (can go under $10 if you really want to)
weightman/whatever scale - $15
electric kettle - $10
(optional) thermometer - $10
total: $145-$155

[Anonymous No.18676614]

>>18676574
i've even seen miroco temp controlled gooseneck kettles on aliexpress for $50ish, and it's a pretty decent stagg ekg knockoff. i use it and the temp control is accurate enough, so it's fairly accessible on that front too. often sells for $80 on amazon.

[Anonymous No.18676758]

>>18674011
>>18674178
>>18674186
Okay, i found a k6 from burgerland and with a scale. The price is not overly bad with customs and shipping. Its all downhill from here, isn't it? No turning back, IF the product ends up being vastly better than what im used to

[Anonymous No.18676775]

>>18676758
> -with
Such is life of an esl

[Anonymous No.18676842]

>>18676758
Full steam ahead. You're buying a tool you can use for years. Cheap beans or expensive, you'll be able to prepare them for any brew method.

[Anonymous No.18677102]

>>18676758
>Its all downhill from here, isn't it? No turning back, IF the product ends up being vastly better than what im used to
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

[Anonymous No.18677118]

>>18676842
Ty.

[Anonymous No.18677135]

>>18677102
kek

[Anonymous No.18677208]

>>18676614
Got a pic? Of the aliexpress listing, not the one you own.

[Anonymous No.18677298]

>>18677208
shoot, looks like my info is outdated. not seeing it there anymore. my bad.
I wonder if there's a cost effective gooseneck that's induction capatible for people who already have induction plates.

[Anonymous No.18677416]

>>18677298
> cost effective gooseneck that's induction capatible
The jap harios? No thermometer tho.
https://www.amazon.com/Hario-V60-Buono-Stainless-Gooseneck/dp/B000IGOXLS/

[Anonymous No.18677446]

>>18676574
>q2 grinder - $100
i dont believe grinders below $250 exist.
there is zero point in getting them, if you are that poor just drink instant.

[Anonymous No.18677449]

>>18677446
>he buys grinders for under $500
Just stop drinking coffee

[Anonymous No.18677459]

cups under $1000 don't exist
if you are that poor just drink instant

[Anonymous No.18677501]

look at them melt

[Anonymous No.18677507]

[Anonymous No.18677918]

look at them coof

[Anonymous No.18678203]

I dun fucked up. Been using my sette grinder daily for four years now without maintenance or calibration. Got this horrible noise all the sudden and barely any grind going through. Took apart and a screw on the motor mount was loose in the housing. Must have gotten in motor or something and completely fucked it.
Learn from me and don't be lazy fucks. Take your grinders apart every once in a while, make sure the components are properly mounted etc. Shit will get loose over years of use and get fucked up. Last option is to call customer support and see if anything can be done.

[Anonymous No.18678220]

>>18675926
>>commercial beans are trash don't buy that
They are but that's how I started, I think it's fine for beginners but idk how much you're even saving compared to your local roasts

[Anonymous No.18678245]

>>18678220
i can buy 1kg of trash dark roast beans at aldi for like $12?aud
my local roaster sells 250g for about the same.
and i buy 250g specialty beans online for $24

it really depends on what you have on offer locally(or within the country depending on how fast shipping is)
like there is only so much you can squeeze out of grocery store beans. even if your method and tools and everything is perfect the cup is going to be ok at best.
so i think going to something at least fresh roasted(within a week or so) is better than just buying grocery store stuff because you will be able to actually see your progress.

[Anonymous No.18678633]

>bought a bag of coffee from a charity
>coffee is godawful
>feel like a fool
>should have just given a cash donation

[Anonymous No.18678666]

>>18675926
Ignorance is the biggest barrier, not money. Rich people pay a ton of money for the same trash poor people drink, paying more has mixed results.

The biggest issue is getting coffee which isn't fucking stale, same with spices. When an expensive coffee goes out of date do you think they're going to throw it out? Fuck no.

>don't buy coffee that doesn't have the date it was roasted
That's a massive filter, 4/5 The coffee on the market is now gone.
>grind your own coffee, or have it ground
Many hipster coffee places will grind beans for you, it's not as simple as mincing meat.
Often a rich fag with a grinder will do it for you, kinda like pasta makers there's a ton of unused ones sitting around in cupboards.
>brew the coffee

Like baking bread it's a huge pain in the ass if it doesn't fit with your routine

[Anonymous No.18678679]

>>18678633
was it seven weeks

[Anonymous No.18678989]

how fucking hard can pourovers be

[Anonymous No.18678993]

>>18678989
if you have the right equipment and coffee, ez.

if you have shit equipment and coffee, impossible

[Anonymous No.18679001]

Are all kettles from Amazon requiring 110V? Some kettles are going on sale for about 30% and I want to import ones but need 240V.

[Anonymous No.18679022]

>>18678993
how hard would it be to brew 750ml of coffee via pour over in one shot

[Anonymous No.18679063]

>>18679022
Would be annoying I think. There is a optimal bed depth and loading the dripper too full would be detrimental.

[Anonymous No.18679337]

>>18678989
It's not super hard, but I can't think of another brewing method that takes more skill.

[Anonymous No.18679353]

>>18670679
kmart electric spice grinder
the one people usually get for weed

[Anonymous No.18679456]

>>18678203
I gave up on all electric coffee grinders a couple years ago because you're never ready when they break (and they always break eventually). You just have to have at least one or two days without coffee.

[Anonymous No.18679597]

>>18679456
literally everything you own will require some kind of maintenance. even hand grinders require regular cleaning.

[Anonymous No.18679623]

>>18679597
>even hand grinders require regular cleaning.
lol

[Anonymous No.18679652]

>>18679597
>>18679623
I clean my hand grinder every once in a while. It takes a few minutes. There's nothing to diagnose if or when it breaks. There's very little to break. No motor, no electronics, no screws, no shitty little plastic parts that can render the entire thing inoperable. What can break? The axle shaft? The crank handle? The burrs wear out? Who gives a shit. That's the life of the machine. I'll get a new one.

[Anonymous No.18679671]

>>18679456
I don't use electric grinders because I'm not ready for a horrible sound first thing in the morning. The softer sound of the hand grinder is a better start to my day.

[Anonymous No.18679711]

>>18679671
>I'm not ready for a horrible sound first thing in the morning. The softer sound of the hand grinder is a better start to my day.
this
also feeling the beans being crushed and smashed and cut in your own hands really gives a whole new feel to making coffee
also they can always be converted with a power drill or something.

[Anonymous No.18679733]

>>18679711
I like to think the beans are little people I'm grinding up as if I'm some kind of greek titan making an elixir of vitae to power me through another day

[Anonymous No.18679735]

>>18679733

[Anonymous No.18679741]

>>18679671
Yeah. Nothing like the screeching sounds and dogs barking at a cup of coffee at 6 in the morning. Hate electric grinders now. Huge quality of life improvement.

[Anonymous No.18679756]

>>18679001
kettles with temperature control*

[Anonymous No.18679763]

>>18679733
A powerful mindset

[Anonymous No.18679770]

>>18679741
not coffee related but i make my morning smoothie the night before and then freeze it and then eat it like frozen yogurt with my morning coffee. just trying to reduce as much unnecessary noise in the mornings as possible.

[Anonymous No.18679813]

>>18673367
>Elemental mercury from ingestion is poorly absorbed with a bioavailability of less than 0.01%

[Anonymous No.18679821]

>>18669230
I see soyjak in the moka pot
I see spirso on the bag
I see yellow fish guy and plankton below coffee bag
And I see pepe in the entire image looking at the steam. Great meme to whomever made this

[Anonymous No.18679823]

>>18679821
>spirso
Spurdo

[Anonymous No.18679839]

>>18679821
>Whomever made this
All that analysis and you missed the guys watermark lol.

[Anonymous No.18679841]

>>18679839
It's easier to see AI images when you don't expand the thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.18679845]

>>18679841
Allegedly female. I'd need to see the Carfax.
https://www.thisishannako.com/contributors

[Anonymous No.18679901]

>>18679652
I brush/air blow it after every use, takes 10 seconds. However I don’t think I’ve ever taken apart my grinder, only check the zero quickly every couple months.

[Anonymous No.18679902]

I received a Baratza Virtuoso+ for my birthday, and I was using a blade grinder previous.
The difference is INCREDIBLE. I'm having a blast tweaking the grind settings.

[Anonymous No.18679929]

>>18679902
Happy birthday anon.

[Anonymous No.18680177]

>>18679456
I will buy some sort of handheld as a backup. Useful anyway if power goes out. It's gonna be a week at least without espresso unless I get my ass to a store and buy some generic off the shelf. Didn't have time to call customer support yesterday either since got too busy trying to fix it. Maybe they will send me a new gearbox/motor for free but doubt since it's a bit old of a unit. Fuck, and I just got freshly roasted beans in. AAAA
>>18679671
>>18679456
Can you please recommend a good hand grinder for espresso? Does that even exist?

[Anonymous No.18680192]

>>18680177
Their customer service is top notch because their products are shit. You'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.18680196]

>>18680177
>good hand grinder for espresso? Does that even exist?
See.
>>18673265

[Anonymous No.18680207]

>>18680177
K4 does it fine

[Anonymous No.18680212]

>>18679652
>plastic parts
funny thing. Seems the gearbox assembly on mine >>18678203 has plastic pieces. Reading that any foreign ungroundable object like a little pebble will rek the entire assembly. That may have been what happened to mine since the breakage was so sudden and the entire until went into death throes.

[Anonymous No.18680217]

>>18680196
>>18680207
thank you, will look into.

[Anonymous No.18680223]

>>18679929
Thanks, fren :)
>>18679733
This is almost enough to convince me to buy a hand grinder

[Anonymous No.18680224]

Currently sipping on a cafe mocha from the ethiopian coffee place I've been reviewing here.
This is my least favorite cup of coffee so far. I mean it's edible, I'm not gonna toss it. Not NEARLY as good as, for example, their latte, caramel latte, drip coffee, chai tea, etc, though.

[Anonymous No.18680231]

>>18680192
That's reassuring. Was reading on forums that others with same issue got a free motor/gearbox. Maybe I can get one for free or some sort of discount.
I've had this grinder paired with my Silvia for four years now. My Silvia is 20 years old and still going strong. May get an expensive setup one day with a better heating mechanism.

[Anonymous No.18680241]

>>18679733
if the beans are little people then what are the very rare little pebbles that shrekt my grinder internals?

[Anonymous No.18680244]

>>18680231
If you're 20 years deep with a silvia why not look into a better grinder? Fix and flip the sette, buy a p64 or something.

[Anonymous No.18680249]

>be me
>make my coffee
>half and half is 7 days expired
>no milk either
>fuck
>only have eggnog
>pour some in
>its fucking fantastic

[Anonymous No.18680251]

>>18679813
Yeah, which means it's okay if you break a thermometer, but drinking it by the cupful is quite a different story.
If you drank 200ml of mercury, you'd absorb 0.27g, which is still quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.18680261]

>>18680241
Someone didn't watch Hercules growing up

[Anonymous No.18680269]

>>18680244
>If you're 20 years deep with a silvia why not look into a better grinder?
Because my autism says I need to upgrade the entire setup at once. Something I've been meaning to do for years like PIDing my Silvia but gotten lazy and comfy with my basic setup. Will look into the p64, thanks. Money's not an issue for good quality items. Stuck with figuring out where to go from the Silvia. Want something easily repairable with good internals and part availability but a better heating mechanism. Maybe a more comfortable steam wand. The Silvia really shines in the repairability and ease of maintenance.

[Anonymous No.18680285]

>>18680249
On a somewhat related note. Fuck up my espresso grinder and have only shitty commodity coffee as backup. Brew it in a drip filter. Tastes like shit. Add a few pinches of salt. Tastes pretty good. The salt meme is worth a try.
I'm gonna try the nog thing now. I've been experimenting with heavy whipping cream and there was a particular brand that was really good that I can't get anymore since I moved. Not all heavy whipping cream is created equal

[Anonymous No.18680286]

>>18677459
They're not even silver

[Anonymous No.18680288]

>>18680269
>upgrade the entire setup at once
But you bought the sette 4 years ago? You people confuse me.

[Anonymous No.18680296]

>>18680288
sorry, the silvia is old because got it from my parents when I moved out. Bought the sette since my boomer parents always used preground or a cheap blade grinder.

[Anonymous No.18680362]

any aeropress compatible grinders that are made in europe?

[Anonymous No.18680565]

>>18680212
Yeah, it's kinda shitty that there's always some kind of plastic gear or integral mount that if/when it breaks downs the entire machine for the time it takes to order a new very specific plastic doodad. And it's always on a day you really needed that coffee for whatever reason. I've gotten rocks before, too. Sucks.

[Anonymous No.18680576]

>>18680565
>. And it's always on a day you really needed that coffee for whatever reason.
but that's everyday
got a k4 since it's on sale on amashit so will have a backup now and maybe even a nice casual camping accessory

[Anonymous No.18680627]

>>18680362
when you say 'compatible' do you mean fits in the plunger, or grinds well enough for it

[Anonymous No.18680822]

>had goffee for dessert

[Anonymous No.18680880]

>KOFF KOFF KOFF
sorry bro the bripe was extra dank today KOFF KOFF got some exotic shit for it today koff

[Anonymous No.18680941]

>>18673937
Bit fancy that mate, is it a special occasion?

[Anonymous No.18680958]

Purchased directly from Partners Coffee through Amazon's third party listing, roasted a few days ago and arrived today. Made a delicious cup from the Amazing Aeropress™.

[Anonymous No.18680959]

>>18680627
I meant fit in.
I'm reconsidering going for the aeropress since it requires micro-filters. Then again I could get a stainless steel filter for it but I'm afraid it would mess with the coffee flavour
Shouldn't I just be better off getting a french press if I don't wanna bother with filters?

[Anonymous No.18681019]

>>18680959
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18681079]

>>18669230
Today I had my coffee with some vanilla, cinnamon, and brown sugar mixed in

[swaglord No.18681107]

>>18680958
my favorite roaster in brooklyn when i lived there was Parlor

[Anonymous No.18681139]

>>18679821
you're right

[Anonymous No.18681341]

>>18669230
Reee, I think my grinder will be delivered sometime next month. Meanwhile someone tried to recommend me an app for grinding the beans, but i think hes trying to fool me into some scam. Have you tried it, is it any good?

[Anonymous No.18681431]

Can you make a cup better than your local cafe?
Do it!

[Anonymous No.18681549]

>>18680880
You briping that sumatran funk too, mang?

[Anonymous No.18681611]

>>18681549
Briping that Aldi's pack. Ikyky.

[Anonymous No.18681774]

Give me a Hario Switch recipe
I've just been using the Hoff's 15g/2min/release with a fine grind size so far

[Anonymous No.18681792]

>>18681774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9diFrEkn3M

[Anonymous No.18681938]

hario switch is a product for pour over snobs too cowardly to join the aeropress gang, change my mind

[Anonymous No.18682069]

>>18681938
Filthy aeropress gang subhuman really wants friends. Must be lonely over there. Good thing you can only make 4oz of coffee at a time huh?

[Anonymous No.18682125]

>>18682069
whoever told you that was lying or wrong and the man isn't filthy anymore, sort yourself out

[Anonymous No.18682152]

>>18681938
>aeropress for years
>still using the gold print version
>get hario switch last week
I refuse to believe anyone in /ctg/ only has a single type of brewer

[Anonymous No.18682288]

>>18682125
Sorry 4oz of coffee with 12oz of water on top. Yum.

[Anonymous No.18682334]

>>18682152
do mason jars count

[Anonymous No.18682400]

>>18682152
I can cold brew with my french press, does that count?

[Anonymous No.18682463]

>>18682152
I have a moka pot and a french press.
It's nice not having to pay for filters.

[Anonymous No.18682562]

>>18680249
>half and half
you deserve nothing

[Anonymous No.18682568]

What's the difference between siphon and a moka pot?

[Anonymous No.18682625]

>>18682568
google my nigga
https://pageonecoffee.com/moka-pot-vs-siphon/

[Anonymous No.18682777]

Is a timemore c3 good for aeropress coffee?

[Anonymous No.18682786]

>>18682777
no get the kingrinder k4

[Anonymous No.18683122]

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