/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.18586401]

>Pineapple on pizza.

Why do people get so insanely triggered over this? Like elsewhere in the world people people eat shit like pig feet, but no pineapple on pizza is the worst. Fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.18586427]

>>18586401
It's just a fun debate between normies I don't think anyone cares that much

[Anonymous No.18586430]

>>18586427
Only normalfags use the word normie.

[Anonymous No.18586437]

>>18586401
I would rather have pig feet on my pizza than pineapple, personally.

[Anonymous No.18586447]

>>18586401
this discussion/debate was only truly popularized to such an extent after gordon ramsay publicly had an autism fit about it on social media sparking media coverage and widespread discussion of the topic
the reason chefs and people who dislike pineapple on pizza are so adamant over this is because on a scientific gastronomic level they are objectively correct - pineapple doesn't "belong" on pizza insofar as the chemical flavor profile of pineapple very literally has no matching/complimentary elements to a standard pizza.
of course, that does not detract from the argument that if you like pineapple, and you like pizza, you may well like pineapple on pizza despite the flavor profiles completely clashing. moreover, in the case of the so-called "hawaiian pizza" you add other toppings i.e. ham that DO match some of the profiles found in pizza, then incorporating the pineapple a bit more smoothly

[Anonymous No.18586459]

>>18586447
what if the flavors clashing was the whole point all along

[Anonymous No.18586468]

>>18586459
for some people it very genuinely is, but as you can imagine that's a bit antithetical to the beliefs of most practiced chefs

[Anonymous No.18586470]

>>18586401
Slopstock "people" have been conditioned to respond this way

[Anonymous No.18586472]

>>18586459
Then just put ranch in your coffee in the privacy of your own home.

[Anonymous No.18586487]

>>18586401
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.18586495]

>>18586447
>anon is so young they unironically think ramsay started this debate
oh wow hehe hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.18586499]

>>18586401
It's a retarded meme that started years ago and then one Gordon Ramsay tweet introduced it to normalfags. There is a reason that every pizza place in the world outside of Italy serves a pizza with pineapple. Even Italians serve fruit on pizza but if it's pineapple suddenly it's blasphemy. It's fucking good because the acidity and sweetness cuts through all the fat and saltiness. Any retard knows this and fuck Gordon Ramsay for playing into this shit.

[Anonymous No.18586503]

>>18586487
nah, i bet you could make an awesome ketchup by blending pineapple and tomatoes together

it would be tropical and vibrant and great with sweet potato fries

maybe add a dash of curry powder to really step shit up

[Anonymous No.18586505]

>>18586499
>his pizza is fatty and salty

[Anonymous No.18586506]

>>18586447
>the reason chefs and people who dislike pineapple on pizza are so adamant over this is because on a scientific gastronomic level they are objectively correct - pineapple doesn't "belong" on pizza insofar as the chemical flavor profile of pineapple very literally has no matching/complimentary elements to a standard pizza.
I don't see how it's different from something like pickles on a burger.

[Anonymous No.18586515]

>>18586495
not started, popularized in the age of social media. i'm old enough to be your dad, you should have better reading comprehension than me

[Anonymous No.18586518]

>>18586503
makes me think of the guy 'weird explorer' on youtube that makes ketchup with all kinds of non-tomato things

[Anonymous No.18586519]

>>18586499
You using the Italian taste as the gold standard makes you look like a retarded fool. Everyone knows the Italians have shit taste and the best Italian food is American Italian food. Spaghetti & meatballs, chicken parmesan, and yes, the modern pizza. The modern pizza that we all know today around the world seen in the attached pic is American style. Traditional Italian pizza is shit and the Americans improved upon it and everyone prefers the improved version.

I agree that Gordon Ramsay is generally an overrated dumbass but with pineapple pizza he's right.

>It's fucking good because the acidity and sweetness cuts through all the fat and saltiness
tomato sauce is naturally acidic and sweet you fuck.

[Anonymous No.18586524]

>>18586506
pickles don't completely clash with beef - the brine has a lot of complimentary flavors, especially paired with other common toppings like onion
highly recommend downloading some molecular gastronomy books or paying for access to a db if you can afford it

[Anonymous No.18586525]

>>18586519
>tomato sauce is naturally acidic and sweet you fuck.
You need more because of the saltiness of the ham.

[Anonymous No.18586526]

>>18586519
>the best Italian food is American Italian food
>The modern pizza that we all know today around the world seen in the attached pic

You havent ever left america have you ?

[Anonymous No.18586539]

>>18586526
I have, and that style pizza is sold all around the world, not THIS version. You know why?
Because the traditional Italian pizza (pic related) sucks and American style is superior and the prefered style across the globe.

[Anonymous No.18586542]

>>18586539

[Anonymous No.18586544]

>>18586519
>You using the Italian taste as the gold standard makes you look like a retarded fool.
Meanwhile, anon puts up a pic of a Little Caesar's pizza as his gold standard...

[Anonymous No.18586554]

>>18586447
>on a scientific gastronomic level they are objectively correct - pineapple doesn't "belong" on pizza insofar as the chemical flavor profile of pineapple very literally has no matching/complimentary elements to a standard pizza.
Can you explain this? It makes no sense to me, like trying to make an objective statement about something subjective. Is it like saying an art piece is ugly because the colors clash? I don't understand color theory, but that at least you can look at a color wheel and somewhat grasp; is there something similar for "flavor profiles"?

Captcha: NG STD

[Anonymous No.18586562]

>>18586519
>You using the Italian taste as the gold standard makes you look like a retarded fool
I didn't get the impression that that was what he was implying, anon.

[Anonymous No.18586568]

>>18586505
>grease? on my pizza?
It's more likely than you think

[Anonymous No.18586585]

>>18586554
while not necessarily the best comparison, color theory is to visual arts what gastronomic science/flavor profiles are to the culinary arts. they aren't objective "rules" to be followed so much, rather they're an objective scientific measure of the materials. that is to say, "flavor profiles" as you put it are in fact defined by the similarity of compounds in ingredients. an easy example would be to take a look at most Michelin star food - if you've never had it, it can easily seem like a confusing mish-mash of weird ingredients i.e. potatos with mushrooms and black tea + raspberry sauce with beets, they seem like odd pairings but when you analyze the compounds that give the foods their flavor, they have complimentary aspects

[Anonymous No.18586594]

>>18586519
>>18586519
Ever
>>18586519
> Everyone knows the Italians have shit taste and the best Italian food is American Italian food. Spaghetti & meatballs, chicken parmesan, and yes, the modern pizza. The modern pizza that we all know today around the world seen in the attached pic is American style. Traditional Italian pizza is shit and the Americans improved upon it and everyone prefers the improved version.

American italian food is the worst food in the world. We gave you all the tools to eat well and you screwed it up as you always do. It is unbelievable how you have turned simple dishes into complete crap

[Anonymous No.18586602]

>pineapple
>bawww
mayo jaga...
Or anything using hot mayonnaise as a sauce.

[Anonymous No.18586618]

>>18586594
literally they take everything else that exists in the world and make it the worst possible
fucking fried sushi rolls

[Anonymous No.18586628]

>>18586539
lmao never came across a pepperoni pizza in my life in a pizza place, so much for american pizza spreading around the world
reality is pizza evolved in different ways in different places outside of italy, america is one of them but definitely not the dominant one. you're just making shit up

[Anonymous No.18586633]

>>18586585
I'm still confused; this sounds like "if you mix A and B, you will get this result, which is objectively good", which still seems like a ridiculous claim to me. Can you explain how exactly it is that these compounds compliment each other?

[Anonymous No.18586635]

>>18586539
things that are in my country are a 1000% closer to this kind than american

[Anonymous No.18586654]

>>18586585
>black tea and raspberry sauce
makes sense to me, dunno why grugbrain requires ancestral combinations - unnecessary limitation desu

[Anonymous No.18586705]

>>18586628
nice job outing yourself as a rube who lives in bumfuck middle of nowhere in an unimportant country.

[Anonymous No.18586720]

>>18586633
similar to art/color theory, the basis of your confusion seems to stem from the difference between "objectively good" and "objectively paired"
depending on your philosophic approach, there may well be no defining "objectively good" flavors - there are not necessarily intrinsic, universally shared preferences for food. one may derive some amount of objectivity in food that has been consumed for millennia with potential genetic impact i.e. grains, but food pairing comes down to "objectively paired" foods. most dishes in the world use complimentary - not clashing - flavors to contribute to a greater whole, whether or not the science is known to the individual who cooks that dish. this can be objectively quantified through chemical analysis, observing the flavor compounds in the components of a dish.
to circle back to the visual arts comparison, color theory 'objectively pairs' colors, but this is not a rule for making 'objectively good' art - some of the worlds most esteemed fine arts are valued as such explicitly due to breaking these rules. however, when those colors are 'objectively paired', it is quantifiable that even without an understanding of the science, the visuals are complimentary. much in the same way, two foods that you may see as being in completely different realms may taste very good and compliment each other when combined due to their flavor compounds, despite you being unaware of the chemical composition - but whether or not you enjoy those complimentary flavors is subjective.

[Anonymous No.18586766]

>>18586519
>tomato sauce is naturally acidic and sweet you fuck.
Not him but...
Pineapple is naturally acidic and sweet too, so how does it clash?
OK, maybe the sour?

[Anonymous No.18586780]

>>18586539
>the traditional Italian pizza (pic related) sucks
Wow, you don't like margarita pizza?
Lots of people do, and it's available in plenty of places in the US.

[Anonymous No.18586793]

>>18586594
>American italian food is the worst food in the world.
You've apparently never had American Indian food.

[Anonymous No.18586796]

>>18586766
acidic and sweet are sensory, they don't contribute to taste as much as the aromatic flavor compounds do, which barely correlate between pineapple and tomato
the acidity in tomato and pineapple come from different acids (lactic in tomato, ascorbic in pineapple) thus they clash more than they combine

[Anonymous No.18586807]

>>18586796
>pineapple on pizza is bad because science
You can mansplain as much as you want, faggot. Fact of the matter is that people like it.

[Anonymous No.18586814]

>>18586807
i have emphasized exactly that in all of my posts. just because something chemically clashes does not mean that people who like both things won't like them when combined. hope whatever is happening in your life causing your misdirected angst passes anon

[Anonymous No.18587038]

>>18586720
I see. I'm still having trouble understanding "objectively paired" though; what decides this? If I'm understanding you correctly, and going back to the visual arts analogy, saying for example that yellow and purple "objectively pair" is considered correct, regardless of whether I personally enjoy that color combination, correct? Why is this? How is it determined that these two colors or flavors or what have you simply "go together"? If it comes down to some chemical reason, as in "Compound A + Compound B react with Receptor AB in your eyes/mouth and are perceived as a more ??? combination than XYZ other thing", isn't that still a subjective conclusion reached if the ??? is "good/bad/acceptable"? And if it's not, then what is it? The combination is ...what? Apparently not better not worse, but it just "goes together" for some reason?

[Anonymous No.18587067]

>>18587038
the combination in food pairings are amalgamations of the very literal same aromatic compounds and chemicals, for example as i pointed out here >>18586796 one minor reason why pineapple clashes with tomato is the difference in acid - while they both contain cirtic acid, they both contain secondary acid compounds that clash more than the varied presence of citric acid compliments
you're overthinking it and conflating the objectivity of the pairings with the actual physical perception of them. this is why the visual arts comparison isn't great - whereas colour A matches with colour B due to chromatics, food A matches with food B due to having the very literal same compounds therein.
it might sound silly, but think about marijuana here. while there are hundreds of factors that effect the flavor, the majority of it comes down to 4-5 terpenes. in the same way, there are several hundred aromatic compounds in foods, but only a few dozen are strong and perceptible - when these primary components are relatively strong in 2 foods, they tend to pair well together. it becomes more complicated with making a larger dish, where certain flavors may clash with some, but compliment others in such a way that the whole ends up being delightful. again, bear in mind the pairing is the only objectively natured science here - when the aromatic compounds are prevalent in two foods, it is intrinsic that they are paired, as aromatic compounds account for a majority of what you perceive as taste. it has nothing to do with particular receptors beyond that. whether or not you actually enjoy that taste/perception is subjective and variable, albeit that is perhaps an argument to be had among food critics regarding development of palate

[Anonymous No.18587349]

I made a pizza in the microwave

[Anonymous No.18587365]

>>18586401
problem, world?

[Anonymous No.18587371]

>>18586401
>sweet and savory doesn't go together
>*puts ketchup on eggs, burgers, and hot dogs*
I dont know why people are like this

[Anonymous No.18587393]

>>18587067
I see. Thank you anon, I understand more clearly now. Despite knowing nothing about marijuana, the analogy was what helped me understand your point. I don't feel I was overthinking it though, and it's often used as a defense when someone isn't able to get their point across. I was just asking the questions I felt I needed to understand what you meant, is all.

[Anonymous No.18587396]

>>18586487
>posting your own screenshot
cringe

[Anonymous No.18587717]

anyone who claims pineapple doesn't belong on pizza is objectively wrong and living in a weird and twisted reality that I don't want to understand

[Anonymous No.18588295]

>>18586401
People do get weirldy defensive about this from both directions. I like pineapple on pizza only if it's sliced thin, I'd probably pick off most of the chunks on that one. That said, I don't really care for ham as a topping either so I probably wouldn't eat that pizza at all.

[Anonymous No.18588330]

>>18586401

My dude!

[Anonymous No.18588383]

>>18586430
gate keeping at its highest, well done anon.
the best b/tard on the 4chans.
Only perpendicular fags use the word normalfag.

[Anonymous No.18588564]

I am more surprised with Americans being surprised with corn on pizza. You guys put corn syrup in everything but get weirded on that?

Imo it works very well

[Anonymous No.18588588]

ITT: Retards
Taste is subjective, so anyone arguing that a flavour is inherently "bad" or "good" should immediately kill themselves.
I love cheez-its and chocolate. Are they a good pairing? For me, yes. For most people, no. But, I don't go screeching at people when they like something I don't like, or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.18589311]

>>18586401
'apple and 'acon 'za is goated

[Anonymous No.18589320]

It's too sweet. I'd only be triggered if it was the only pizza someone ordered for a group, you can like it but don't assume other people do.

[Anonymous No.18589344]

>>18588564
corn + bbq chicken pizza is bomb

[Anonymous No.18589365]

>>18586401
If you won’t eat pig feet you’re a pussy.

[Anonymous No.18589367]

I am convinced that it's just a meme that spread virally
By meme I mean the compulsion people have to express that they think pineapple on pizza is an abomination, not disliking pineapple on pizza, not thinking it's just so-so nor even actually hating it, I mean the people who just can't help themselves and NEED to tell others just how much they hate it

[Anonymous No.18589441]

>>18586401
The same people that are upset about pineapple on pizza are the same retards that then go and put ketchup on everything, especially pasta.

[Anonymous No.18589462]

>>18588383
gate keeping is a reddit term

[Anonymous No.18589470]

>>18586447
>There's literally no food that goes with pineapple on a pizza
>Next sentence: Well, I mean there's ham, which does go with pineapple

[Anonymous No.18589474]

>>18586554
You probably like chocolate
You probably like tuna
You probably don't like tuna mixed with chocolate

[Anonymous No.18589477]

>>18586401
pizza is probably the most gatekeeped food item in existence, blame it on italians

[Anonymous No.18589483]

>>18589429
not even trying to be an asshole but that's mostly american culture. quantity over quality. it's like a cancer that has turned americans into some of the most obese people in the world. it's the same thing with pizza toppings and everything else basically.

pic related is the standard pizza in italy. an american pizza will typically have twice as many calories (if not more) and it definitely won't taste better because it's just a ton of low quality ingredients. same thing with coffee. if you order a coffee in italy you will always get an espresso

[Anonymous No.18589487]

Italians have been eating pizza with tomato sauce and pineapple since the days of Julius Caesar

[Anonymous No.18589752]

>>18586487
>they never put pineapples in tomato sauce in other dishes
pineapple salsa is totally a thing

[Anonymous No.18589760]

>>18586401
well I don't do tomato sauce and pineapple, but I will do barbecue sauce pizza and pineapple

[Anonymous No.18589780]

>>18589462
everything is a reddit term, they won the internet

[Anonymous No.18589793]

>>18589487
>pineapple since the days of Julius Caesar
OK, I'm 99% sure this is a troll, but just to set the record straight, the pineapple is indigenous to South America and was introduced to Europe in the 17th century.

[Anonymous No.18590096]

>>18586401
Because worthless normalfag hylics see others get mad about it so of course they also have to get mad. It's literally the Sword Art Online thing all over again.

[Anonymous No.18590103]

>>18590096
An equivalent is seeing "69" anywhere and making the joke everybody already thought of, same with "420". Or a mention of taco bell and fools rushing to make a "I WAS ON THE TOILET ALL NIGHT" remark

[Anonymous No.18590111]

>>18590103
Yes. And they always want to be validated for it as if what they said was something new or original. Not even in a "look I referenced the latest worthless netflix show" but some kind of next level NPC behavior. It's insane to behold.

[Anonymous No.18590128]

>>18586401
Pineapple on pizza is delicious.
So is pineapple on burger, which is not nearly common enough.

[Anonymous No.18590138]

Italians put pear on pizzas, I see no reason not to have pineapple on it. I eat chicken mango pizza too, a base sauce made with mango.

[Anonymous No.18590143]

>>18590128
i thought that was the gimmick of big kahuna burger

[Anonymous No.18590144]

>>18586437
this nigga eatin pigfeet

[Anonymous No.18590149]

[Anonymous No.18590154]

>>18586487
Salsa, relish, chicken with tomato and pineapple sauce and pineapple and tomato curry are all things that exist so what is this post?

>>18589474
Tuna and chocolate is a combination though. Ahi tuna with dark chocolate is a thing.

[Anonymous No.18590155]

>>18590149
this gay guy who worked a delicatessen tried to hit on me when i was ordering prosciutto and he mentioned honeydew melons, new york, never went back

[Anonymous No.18590160]

>>18590128
I heard of a burger that was peanut butter + fried (or poached I forget) egg. It sounded interesting. Never brought myself to make it at home though.

[Anonymous No.18590172]

Is this an acceptable pizza?

[Anonymous No.18590173]

>>18590160
It tastes separate, only do it if you're about to open another jar of hamburger or pack of peanut butter. But then I used crunchy

[Anonymous No.18590175]

>>18590173
Might give it a go just with peanut butter first. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.18590177]

>>18586401
This is a good filter for retards. I have eaten Hawaiian pizza. I’ve eaten other foods with non-traditional pineapple in them, like salad at a hibachi restaurant. I know that it tastes good. It’s not something I typically order, but at least I know it’s not an actual culinary mismatch or foul-tasting. So, the opinions of people who say it is either can be disregarded without even a second thought.

[Anonymous No.18590180]

>>18590172
>acceptable pizza?
I'm sure somebody finds it "acceptable", but I wouldn't call it a pizza.

[Anonymous No.18590354]

>>18589470
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.18590357]

A slice of Hawaiian pizza with hot sauce is a tasty treat when I'm on the go

[Anonymous No.18590361]

it tastes fine, its just the texture stands out way too much

[Anonymous No.18590560]

>>18590143
Don't know what that is I'm afraid, is it American?
I've only ever had pineapple on burger in Australia.
>>18590160
Never tried peanut butter on there, but egg is delicious.

[Anonymous No.18591365]

>>18586401
BBQ chicken pizza with red onions, green pepper, and pineapple is the GOAT.

[Anonymous No.18591565]

>>18586401
>offensive humor BAD
>how can we make dumb jokes that are safe for twitter
>"haha pineapple pizza makes people mad lol" that'll do it
>time passes
>newfags keep parroting the joke, forget it's meant to be a joke, start taking it seriously and getting mad for real

>>18587396
I know, he didn't even do it right. You're supposed to make sure the (You) is visible, and name the file "wisdom.png".