/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.18399643]

Can anyone explain why NYC Pizza is so much better than pizza elsewhere? Except Chicago Pizza, which is also good. Is it the quality of the mozarella? the freshness of the bread? The grease? are they sprinkling crack on the pizza? WTF is the difference, seriously its better than even actual Italian pizza...

[Anonymous No.18399666]

>>18399643
It's the niggers. NYC got a special breed that cooks real well.

[Anonymous No.18399669]

Chicago pizza is trash

[Anonymous No.18399683]

>>18399669
NYC is better, but chicago is nice...

[Anonymous No.18399686]

>>18399666
>It's the niggers
you mean the wops. the best pizza is still made by dagos

[Anonymous No.18399771]

Well you see, the reason they fold the slice when they eat it is because it insulates the nose, and for a brief minute or so you don't have to smell the piss and garbage streets of NYC, and after being there even for only a day that brief respite is like being in heaven. It's why everyone will tell you that NYC pizza isn't the same if you don't eat it in NYC.

[Anonymous No.18399820]

A part of it is the water, regional water differences affect the characteristics and flavor of doughs made with it. NYC has very nice water. Besides that, a lot of other varieties like Connecticut style make their pizzas doughier, and if you don't prefer that then NYC will suit you best. I also think that because of its ubiquity it's hard to get bad pizza in NYC, it's something NYC is so known for and everyone knows what it should taste like. Places selling bad NYC pizza aren't going to last long.

[Anonymous No.18399826]

New York pizza sucks i'd rather eat shit

[Anonymous No.18400118]

>>18399643
New Yorkers have higher expectations. Its not like there isn't good pizza elsewhere, its just that in New York they wont tolerate even the buck-a-slice shit being anything but good. American style pizza developed there, and the goyslop version delivery stuff came after.

Everywhere else(except Conneticut and New Jersey due to proximity) got Pizza as a mass market convenience food. I went to Vancouver, Canada. Big city, like 3 million people in the metro. Probably one good pizza place per 250k peeps, and almost all of them are an Italian rather than American style and expensive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.18400120]

>>18399643
Yes, we actually sprinkle crack on our pizzas. We usually don't give away this secret but you guys are alright.

[Anonymous No.18400139]

It's the most competitive restaurant market in the world. The water and all the other shit people've come up with over the years is probably not a factor.

[Anonymous No.18400150]

>>18400139
Water is a known factor for other food dishes being unique to other regions, I have no reason to expect that it's not also a factor here. But the competitiveness is absolutely a factor too.

[Anonymous No.18400155]

>>18399643
Copepods in the water.

[Anonymous No.18400158]

>>18399643
it was kinda invented there so.......

>inb4 eye talion seethe
we're talking about american pizza retards

[Anonymous No.18401883]

>>18399686
just the fact that theres so many names for italians prove they're not white

[Anonymous No.18401891]

>>18399643
>Can anyone explain why NYC Pizza is so much better than pizza elsewhere?
It's not but there are curious demographic overlaps between NYC residents and the producers of Hollywood propaganda.

[Anonymous No.18401895]

all these whitebois in the thread do!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.18401901]

>>18400158
>we're talking about american pizza retards
Just say pizza, all the real Italians came to New York ages ago, the retarded prehistoric old-worlders who missed the boat haven't even invented stuffed-crust batman calzonis yet. Bada bing, I'm walkin' here.

[Anonymous No.18402006]

>>18399771
This is a lie. After a while you stop noticing the smell.

[Anonymous No.18402016]

>>18402006
That's the point. People conflate not being able to smell the city with the pizza tasting much better than it does. It's almost subconscious.

[Anonymous No.18402078]

>>18399643
something somethin minerals in the hudson

[Anonymous No.18402106]

>>18399643
>Can anyone explain why NYC Pizza is so much better than pizza elsewhere?

This Anon is correct: >>18399820 It's the water.
Rainwater and snow melt is collected in the Catskill and Delaware Watersheds, it travels for like 3 months through a series of both natural and man-made channels, all the while picking up a unique assortment of minerals leached out from the surrounding natural rock. The sediments in the area are low in calcium, so it gives the water a unique quality that when mixed in with dough supposedly makes it more soft and sticky.

That and people in NYC have been making pizza for like a hundred years, so naturally they just have the better recipes and more practice.

[Anonymous No.18402107]

It's all in the water east of the Mississippi good for dough can't recreate on the west
west of it good for sour bread can't recreate it on the east.

[Anonymous No.18402112]

>>18401883
You're supposed to let Italians and Greeks be white so you can say the Roman Empire was white to pwn the libs.

[Anonymous No.18402120]

>>18399643
The shitty NYC pizza is definitely better than shitty or even average pizza in a lot of places, but the "it's in the water" meme or it's better than everyone else is a joke. I guarantee if you had good pizza and NY pizza and blind taste tested it you'd have no idea which was which

[Anonymous No.18402136]

>>18402006
How long does that take? I was there for a week and the last day I was dying to get out.

[Anonymous No.18402140]

>>18402112
most will just say rome was white and then italy got browned afterwards

[Anonymous No.18402158]

>>18402120
they've done shit like this before and people can pick out the ny pizza sperglord, people in ny aren't memeing when they say their shit is good, they're right

[Anonymous No.18402183]

As someone born in Chicago and who now lives in NYC, the real reason for the quality is competition. NYC literally has a pizza place every single block. And it's a really common food that people eat all the time (unlike Chicago style deep dish).

So there's so much competition that it raises the standard of the product.

[Anonymous No.18402198]

>>18402183
for deep dish do you need to go out with a group of people, you can't just get a slice right? and I assume you have to sit down and eat it on a plate?

[Anonymous No.18402229]

>>18399643
Albanians make alright pizza if you don’t feel like driving to New Haven

[Anonymous No.18402371]

>Chicago Pizza

If I wanted Pizza flavoured bread I'd get Detroit style thank you!

[Anonymous No.18402402]

Something about NYC adds less of some chemical to water that kills yeast. Fluoride or chlorine I think. Either way, it can be replicated anywhere in the world by adjusting amount of yeast added.

[Anonymous No.18402415]

>it's le unique water
This is a forced tranny meme.

[Anonymous No.18402449]

>>18401891
>It's not
where's better than fag?

[Anonymous No.18402451]

>>18402120
>you'd have no idea which was which
lol what a joke, i wanted to like italian pizza more but alas NY btfos everything

[Anonymous No.18402477]

>>18402415
Solid arguments, you've changed my mind

[Anonymous No.18402486]

>>18399643
Its something with the water. Kind of a meme but its accually true. Like bacteria in the water fucks with yeast reactions and shit

[Anonymous No.18402504]

>>18402158
I've had NY pizza it's fine. Hell, NYC isn't even the best pizza city in america

bloomberg.com / news/articles/2021-07-07/best-pizza-city-in-america-is-portland-oregon-say-modernist-experts
which coincidentally has much better water than NYC, as I've spent time in both places. Although again the water is a meme

>>18402183
This makes sense though

[Anonymous No.18402518]

>>18401883
Italians aren't a homogeneous race.
The south is typically much darker and more arab-looking than the north, where you can find some really white people.
The immigrants you see in the US are almost exclusively from the south.

[Anonymous No.18402527]

>>18400120
You are a traitor, and you always will be. We made an oath. You...you lied! You spilled our beans! I thought we were friends.

[Anonymous No.18402555]

>>18402415
I'm confused, do you think wastewater gets discharged back into the drinking water system? because that's not how it works.

[Anonymous No.18402573]

>>18402555
Despite NYC's reputation for outstanding water quality and taste, a lot of people assume that NYC water must be filthy and disgusting.

[Anonymous No.18402621]

>>18402573
that's what a surprising amount of people think about tap water in general even though its quality is scrutinized far more than bottled water.

[Anonymous No.18402635]

>>18402504
>say-modernist-experts

They’ll never he a woman

[Anonymous No.18402637]

>>18402136
years honestly I don't live in the city but I go there often and when I was a kid I would smell it but now I never really notice it unless someone points it out

[Anonymous No.18402645]

>>18402229
On Long Island half the pizzerias are owned by Greeks lol

[Anonymous No.18402679]

>>18402504
>Portland
I live here. It's many many pegs down from being the best pizza city in the country. Most pizza is overpriced wood fired copycat Neapolitan shit, good New York or Chicago style pizza is nonexistent (to the point I make it myself out of sheer disgust from the lack of options here). The article cites restaurants that are at best pale imitations of the real stuff (having been to NY, Chicago, and the south of italy). Escape from New York is not good pizza. Via Chicago's sauce is grotesque. Ranch Pizza is elevated school cafeteria pizza (i'd hope actual detroit style pizza isn't like that). Everything's traumatically overpriced to the point where NY and Chicago somehow beat us in such regard. Jerry's pizza (when it still existed lmfao) was unironically digiorno's tier. I've scoured this shithole for decent pizza and found perilously little. I make my own shit nowadays because the options are fucking awful here.

[Anonymous No.18402715]

>>18402621
It's quality at the plant is scrutinized. Not necessarily at your tap, which it reached after going through a substantial distance in pipes, which may or may not have contaminated it.

[Anonymous No.18402730]

>>18399643
Because the style there is thin crust with sauce that isn’t disgusting. It’s that simple.

[Anonymous No.18402761]

>>18402715
piping up to your house is scrutinized as well
and if the piping in your house is subpar it's your own damn fault

[Anonymous No.18402770]

>>18402679
You're an idiot. Dimo's is excellent. Pizzacato was good when it was small but it's still pretty decent. pizza scholls is pretty good
Gracie’s Apizza is good too

[Anonymous No.18402854]

>>18402761
Not often enough, and not nearly as often as bottled water plants.
And in cities like NYC most people live in apartments, so they don't really have a say on checking the building's piping.

[Anonymous No.18403467]

>>18402770
t. oh my god is that a WOOD STOVE i'm cooooming
portland pizza is at best mediocre and most of the time overpriced sloppa
sorry it hurts

[Anonymous No.18403513]

the best pizza in the world non ny east coast coal fired pizza. Gives a flavor to the crust that you can't get with any other method.

[Anonymous No.18403516]

>>18399643
American grease pizzas are vomit inducing

[Anonymous No.18403983]

>>18403467
t. omg is that a greasy paper thin slice from a rat infested shithole i'm cooooming

[Anonymous No.18404829]

>>18402198
Yes, and that’s true for thin crust as well. Pizza by the slice just isn’t a thing here

[Anonymous No.18404836]

>>18403983
>portland talking about rat infestation
You live in the suburbs, right?

[Anonymous No.18404931]

>>18402518
no italian is white.

[Anonymous No.18405391]

>>18404829
ah I guess you need enough people coming in and out to make it worth it to have a pie just lying out for a while

so most pizza you guys eat is probably delivery?

[Anonymous No.18405750]

the water. I made pizza with my local water and some tap water I bottled up when I visited nyc and the nyc was better blind.

[Anonymous No.18405776]

>>18404931
That's a lot of garlic
I still love her though

[Anonymous No.18405786]

>>18405776
>That's a lot of garlic
she's italian

[Anonymous No.18406072]

>>18405786
I'll give Ari a bit of the old country if you know what I mean

[Anonymous No.18406080]

>>18404931
Maybe as a good wife should do is trying to help her husband to stave off vampires?

[Anonymous No.18406084]

>>18406072
she's also part north african because of south italian genes

>>18406080
i feed my vampire garlic all the time though

[Anonymous No.18406108]

>>18402504
>bloomberg
stopped reading right there

[Anonymous No.18406134]

>>18405786
I wonder what she's making

[Anonymous No.18406138]

>>18406134
dommed

[Anonymous No.18406162]

>>18406134
These days it's 'bout tree fiddy per hour, the fuckin' whoar. I'll excorsize the bitch, she one of the perfectly possessed ones.

[Anonymous No.18406179]

>>18406084
>>18406084
I didn't know she had curly hair and she's 1000x more attractive to me now. Me and her have similar curl size

[Anonymous No.18406184]

>>18402770
>apizza scholls

my nigga

[Anonymous No.18406194]

>>18406179
its straight though

[Anonymous No.18406288]

>>18400150
>Water is a known factor for other food dishes being unique to other regions
No it isn't.

[Anonymous No.18406403]

>>18406194
>though

[Anonymous No.18406406]

>>18406403
go back to int though

[Anonymous No.18406841]

I live in Canada where for over a decade I was wondering why all the pizza is shit and can't match some random pizza I got ordered from my cheap motel one night in new york.
I have figured out 60-70% of it.
The trick is to order thin crust AND lightly done/underdone.
With this trick I can order from some bottom barrel chain like pizza pizza and approximate 60-70% of what I loke about ny pizza.
The missing 30-40% is the specific flavour of the pizza/sauce and the chewiness of the pizza (ny dough much chewier).

[Anonymous No.18406883]

>>18402371
Chicago pizza is square cut thin crust. If he meant deep dish he would've said deep dish

[Anonymous No.18406979]

>>18399643
If this is a round about way of asking which is the original Ray's, I'm not telling.

[Anonymous No.18407293]

>>18399643
>muh water
Are you really saying that American restaurants use their filthy American tap water, that I've heard everyone who went there on a trip complain about, to make their food without filtering it themselves? I thought the USA was a first world country, if there's unwanted shit in your water and you own a pizza restaurant, is it really that hard to pay $500 for a simple reverse osmosis filter? Yes you have to replace some parts from time to time but even that cost should be negligible when you get more customers because you sell better pizza than your competitors and thus can ask more or simply sell more for the same price for more profit. And to those complaining about now having less of certain minerals, guess what all you have to do is dissolve some salt containing that mineral and in that way you yourself have control over the concentration.

[Anonymous No.18407706]

>>18400139
The polio makes it yummy

[Anonymous No.18408861]

>>18407293
They like the brick lining from the canals and rat shit, if you filtered it the flavor would be too bland for them

Also water flavor varies wildly depending on where you live

[Anonymous No.18408879]

>>18402371
>Pizza flavoured bread
The only pizza-flavored-bread in Chicago is Pequod's, which is horrifically overrated due to its location and its caramelized cheese (granted, that flavor is among life's greatest joys) despite being mostly a lump of uncooked dough.
Chicago-style Deep Dish is, classically, more like "pizza-flavored cheese" than anything.

[Anonymous No.18410217]

NYC is full of Italian descendants its probably the witchcraft of some 100 year old Sicilian grandmas keeping the spirit if genuine pizza alive for New Yorkers

[Anonymous No.18410492]

>>18402770
>pizza scholls is pretty good
Yeah, this. Their pizza is pretty fucking good.

[Anonymous No.18410588]

>>18408861
>They like the brick lining from the canals and rat shit, if you filtered it the flavor would be too bland for them
kek
>Also water flavor varies wildly depending on where you live
Fair enough, blanket statements such as in my previous post don't do any good and hating on tap water is mostly banter if it's clean enough to drink.
Still water quality is something you can influence relatively easily and the quality of your tap water shouldn't be something that withholds you from getting good results.

[Anonymous No.18410612]

ITS IN DA WATA

WE GOT DA BEST WATA HERE BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS NUTRIENTS IN WATER SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTS BREAD QUALITY AND DA DOUGH IS WHAT MAKES A GOODA BIZZA

AY WATCH WHERE YOUR GOIN!! IM GOIN TO PAULIES PIES MAH

[Anonymous No.18410651]

>>18399643
That looks like a shitty frozen pizza fr

t. italian

[Anonymous No.18410663]

>>18399771
People just fold it cus it’s easier to eat that way with your hands without making a mess. Because eating pizza with a fork and knife is a cardinal sin

[Anonymous No.18410665]

>>18399820
The water is the reason why a lot of beer breweries were in Newark, NJ

[Anonymous No.18411558]

>>18410588
>Still water quality is something you can influence relatively easily and the quality of your tap water shouldn't be something that withholds you from getting good results.
agreed
>>18410612
I'M WALKIN OVAH HEEAH

[Anonymous No.18411573]

>>18410651
>>18403516
>yuropoos think their opinion on pizza matters

[Anonymous No.18411593]

>>18411573
Calm down cleatus don't threaten to shoot your poor mother again lol

[Anonymous No.18411773]

>>18399643
Chicago pizza is just a fucking casserole. Come get St Louis pizza instead.

[Anonymous No.18411779]

>>18411773
Provel is trash.

[Anonymous No.18411787]

>>18411779
Better than a tomato paste casserole with bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18411796]

>>18410492
>>18406184
>apizza scholls
Absolute goyslop
mfw the pinnacle of Portland "pizza"
Not only am I convinced Portland doesn't have good pizza, I'm convinced Portlanders don't even know what good pizza is because they patronize and enjoy shit like picrel.

[Anonymous No.18411808]

>>18411787
It's not, and it's not even remotely close.

[Anonymous No.18411822]

>>18411796
It's because it's called Apizza! How quaint and authentic! Scholls is an italian name, right?

[Anonymous No.18411825]

>>18399643
same deal with the bagels, it's just the water makes the bread taste different. whatever mix of minerals and pollutants they have there is unique to the area so that the same recipe tastes a little different than if you did it in another place. i personally don't consider it 'better', that's just a meme spouted by new yorkers who get pissed when they leave town and find things aren't exactly the same elsewhere

[Anonymous No.18412041]

>>18411773
>St. Louis-style pizza
Isn't that just chicago tavern-style with fake cheese on it?

[Anonymous No.18412055]

Non-Italian pizza usually suffers from the same three problems:
>sauce has no taste
>too much cheese that also has no taste
>too much dough