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18273953 No.18273953 [Reply] [Original]

Who the hell brainwashed the entire planet to think that paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle of fermented damn grape juice is a normal thing?

How did we even come to this point? It's literally just old grape juice. Imagine if I offered you old orange juice which isn't sweet and is actually bitter and stinks of alcohol and then I charged you $250 for a single bottle of that, you'd think I'm crazy.
But when it's grapes then it's somehow for some reason supposed to be sophisticated and a good deal? Fucking lmao

>> No.18273959

>>18273953
Wine prices get silly but a truly good wine does taste genuinely amazing.
I'm not sure what you want from us, OP.
I'm not even gonna insult you --- I'm just confused.

>> No.18273961
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18273961

I pay 7€ for excellent quality wine. And I mean EXCELLENT.

>> No.18273962

>>18273953
Bruh, people will pay thousands of dollars for a literal single bunch of Japanese grapes.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japan-grapes-expensive-fruit-intl-hnk/index.html

>> No.18273963

>>18273959
It's LITERALLY just fruit juice.
>a truly good wine does taste genuinely amazing
Juice from any fruit can taste extremely good, but if I charged you hundreds of dollars for any other fruit juice you'd say no way you're not retarded. For some reason it's ok when it's old grape juice though.

It's absolutely baffling

>> No.18273964

>>18273953
>the entire planet
>paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle

Are you Bill Gates?

>> No.18273968

>>18273953
Are you really 18+?
Price reflects supply demand equilibrium.

>> No.18273970

>>18273968
Probably just a poorfag.

>> No.18273973

>>18273964
Of course most people can't afford the """good wine""", but even in poorer countries people still pay your old grape juice bottle way more than a bottle of any other fruit juice. Like 5-10x more at least.
Or when they go to a restaurant and then pay the same amount for like 3-4 sips of the old grape juice. And that is somehow normal lmao

>> No.18273979

>>18273968
No shit that it's about supply and demand, I am questioning who brainwashed everyone to be willing to pay that much for old grape juice.

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>>18273961
>Portuguese pilled.

>> No.18274010

>>18273953
>Who the hell brainwashed the entire planet to think that paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle of fermented damn grape juice is a normal thing?
romans.
they legit fucked everything up.
nothing but c-average students.

>> No.18274013

>>18273962
>he believes propaganda houses

>> No.18274023

>>18273953
I used to work for a very famous wine producer in Australia. Extremely famous. I worked in the cellar where they stored wine. I stole a bottle once they were storing and sold for let's say tens of thousands of dollars. It tastes the same as shit from a box. Don't let these wine faggots tell you otherwise. There's bad wine, there's good wine but anything over 15 dollars a bottle is an utter waste of money.

>> No.18274097

>>18274023
I work for treasury too and I reckon penfolds is the equivalent to johnny blue in that it's overpriced because chinks and other posers love it, but you'd have to be a pack a day smoker not to notice the difference between say one of the discount bin cab says they don't bother to sell in the cellar door and wynns black label and then one of their single vineyards or flagships

>> No.18274627

The world convinced itself, because for a very long time wine was the easiest way to create clean, drinkable water.

>> No.18274635

>>18273953
>wtf why do people who aren’t me spend money that isn’t mine on things I wouldn’t buy myself?
Yes, it truly is upsetting.

>> No.18274667

>wine is just old grape juice
>whiskey is just old grain juice
>oil is just old dead-stuff juice
>that masterpiece painting is just old-dead-stuff juice smeared on a canvas
>wtf why would pay money for these things
Congrats on being functionally retarded/autistic

>> No.18274707

>>18273953
Why do you spend time on the Internet, it's literally just 0s and 1s

>> No.18274710

>>18273953
Smart people. The same people who convinced the entire planet lobster is a rich persons food and not something thats fed to prisoners to the point of them being disgusted by it

>> No.18274727

>>18274627
>for a very long time wine was the easiest way to create clean, drinkable water
Retarded bullshit pop history meme that won't die. Nobody used alcohol to avoid unclean water.

>> No.18274744

>>18273953

>paying thousands for a bottle of wine
>normal

The average bottle of wine is something like $10-15.

>> No.18275197

>>18274627
>some historian: "wine could have helped alleviate stomach problems from drinking contaminated water"
>his retarded grad school assistant: "perhaps people drank wine to avoid contaminated water"
>media: "DID YOU KNOW?!?! HISTORIAN SAYS PEOPLE IN DARK AGES possibly DRANK WINE IN ORDER TO AVOID CONTAMINATED WATER!!"
and then we have you

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it's $1.59 at the local Lidl

>> No.18275338

>>18273953
I don't drink wine but I can see the appeal. Not as strong as liquor and stronger than beer, goldilocks zone.

>> No.18275348

>>18274727
Yes they did.

>> No.18275378

>>18273953
>hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle of fermented damn grape juice is a normal thing?
No one other than a vanishing minority of people thinks that, though.

>> No.18275397

>>18273968
>Price reflects supply demand equilibrium.
Assuming there's competition to provide the goods or service. The price of shipping containers hasn't come back down, anon.

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>>18273961
There are better wines for that price.

>> No.18275499

>>18273962
>And while $11,000 may seem an insane amount of money to spend on a bunch of grapes, it's not as excessive as it seems.

>> No.18275518

>>18275331
based hobo

>> No.18275601

>>18273961
Portuguese wine is pretty good but theres something with it, idk if its the terrior/groud of the wine but it fucks with my stomach.

Have any suggestions, maybe if you know if they export to the US?

>> No.18275733

>>18273963
Maybe in normal circumstances, but if you tell me this fermented orange juice comes from a place known for centuries for being the best orange fermenters on the planet, I would be more tempted.

>> No.18275772

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/commodity.htm

>> No.18275810

>>18275733
Wine grapes are notoriously finicky things to grow, though. Even without the full ripening, fermentation and aging processes to consider, verjus is expensive.

>> No.18275868

>>18275197
You forgot the youtube stage
>Clickbait title of "EVERYONE IN MIDDLE AGES WAS DRUNK ALL THE TIME! (EVERYONE DRANK BECAUSE WATER WAS POISON)

>> No.18276069

>>18273953
This isn't your blog faggot.

>> No.18276249

>>18275338
This, beer is kind of shitty for actually getting drunk

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>>18273953
*blocks your path*

>> No.18276634

>>18273959

>a truly good wine does taste genuinely amazing

If you use the word amazing to decribe alcohol, how on earth could you describe something like chocolate milk?

>> No.18277005

>>18276278
Gut rot

>> No.18277038

>>18273953
it's not normal to spend lots of money on wine, most people spend pocket change on wine.

>> No.18277042

>>18276634
t. george costanza

>> No.18277046

>>18276634
>how on earth could you describe something like chocolate milk?
baby palate confirmed

>> No.18277070

>>18273953
Some people will pay a lot of money to dress up their addictions in a way that appears more socially acceptable. Inevitably, some other people will capitalize on this tendency.

>> No.18277140

>>18273953
No one does that though, cam down poorfag

>> No.18277316

>>18274727
Care to elaborate?

>> No.18277328

>>18275601
Portuguese wine is pretty acidic in my experience, maybe that's the problem

>> No.18277529

>>18277070
I worked at a wine store and the only people who came in every day to buy wine were buying bottles <$30 AUD.

>> No.18277546

>>18275397
>he thinks supply and demand doesn't exist in monopolies

>> No.18277555

>>18276634
>how on earth could you describe something like chocolate milk?
Chocolate milk is inferior to both chocolate and milk so I wouldn't even try to go there.

>> No.18277558

>>18274744
The median bottle of wine is about $8, if not lower.

>> No.18277571

>>18277558
Depends on where you are. Places that don't produce or have easy import rates tend to hike the prices quite a bit.

>> No.18277579

Sommelier here, most people don't regularly spend more than 30-60 dollars on a bottle sans special occasions like weddings/new years. I'm talking 96% of the population in the US.

When they do spend more, most people are again hard-capped below 300 dollars of wine and are really looking to stay around 120-150 as their sweet spot "Look I spent a fair bit of money on you" zone

The people who are really dropping fuck-you money on wine are the extremely rich and even they tend to drink meme stuff like Screaming Eagle/Scarecrow/Bond/Harlan Estate or extremely young bordeaux that's still buried in tannin and young fruit.

To answer your question, some wines are better than others. Some old wines are very pleasurable to drink, moreso than when they're young. Some wineries have been around for a very long time and are reknown for their quality, whether or not they justify the cost. Combine low yields with high demand and collectability and you've got drinkable currency. The biggest meme wine is DRC, but most $400+ burgundy also checks the box for stupid, pointless hype, and I say that as someone who has tried the dumb shit like Roulot's Grand Cru burgundies and 1986 Lafite Rothchild

>> No.18277644

>>18274010
The romans didn't do that lmao wine was ubiquitous in their society from the top all the way down. The people who started paying out the ass for fine wines was British nobility in pretty recent history. Then the hyper premium 10k per bottle meme wine industry took off.

>> No.18277679

>>18277579
Dumbass cook here with the best taste in the kitchen that the dumbass chef liked enough to let drink an expensive ass glass of wine. It was the best merlot-cabernet, and some other stuff I could not place I have ever tasted, but fuck me if it was worth $600/glass minimum. I'd rather send a kid to college for a semester than have a bottle of wine, but what the fuck do I know? It obviously aged and mellowed supremely, but holy hell, for those sorts of prices I am almost glad I'm not so stupidly rich to consider buying that. It almost... ALMOST makes me wish Depp got his ass handed to him, but I know that bimbo would be the same about wine if she could be, especially if she could make him pay for it. People are nuts, but the difference in taste certainly is there.

>> No.18277752

>>18273979
I'm probably too late, but:
>who brainwashed everyone to be willing to pay that much for old grape juice.
For centuries drinking wine and beer was more safe than drinking water, that's why. Sanitation.

>> No.18278325

>>18273968
>Price reflects supply demand equilibrium.
that's bullshit. the price tag is part of the publicity, it signals that the one who buys it is part of an elite of affluent connoisseurs. take Johnny walker's blue label, for example, it's 40% blended whisky and they could probably make 100 times more of it and charge way less, but the packaging and branding is only complete if you charge 200 bucks a bottle and refuse to sell more.

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>why yes I'll have a bottle of your chateau de beouf gran reserva extra vintage Cabernet Sauvignon please

>> No.18278359

>>18273953
>to think that paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle
It's not remotely "normal", OP.
Normal is well under a hundred dollars.

>> No.18278369

>>18273953
It's not just wine, it's all luxury items in life

>> No.18278374

>>18277328
Thats probably it. I have to drink it often to get used to it. Thanks anon

>Spanish red wine seems similar to Portuguese wine (of course) but isnt "fierce" like that

>> No.18278378

>>18273953
>a normal thing
>everybody in the world thinks spending hundreds of dollars on wine is normal
fucking brainlet take

>> No.18278437

>>18273953
Enjoy the heavy pesticides that are used on grapes. Yummy!

>> No.18278440

>>18278325
It does though, JW have just decided to supply less of it to the market.

Learn economics and come back.

>> No.18278441

>>18278359
Normal is under $10.

>> No.18278445

>>18278437
just drink organic wine, ez

>> No.18278498

>>18274727
Yeah they did, why are you so butthurt about this

>> No.18278501

>>18276634
Chocolate milk sucks, boose is great. Simple as

>> No.18278506

>>18273953
for me, it's pear cider

>> No.18278521

>>18278498
No, you are dumb (I'm not the person you're arguing with but can you at least TRY not to be a retard? Please?)

The other mindblowingly stupid one is "spicy food is to kill germs", just no, kys

>> No.18278672

>>18277579
Where can I find some very good wines in the $12-25 range? I want something that punches above its price class. I'm in a rural area, but what wines are obtainable in regular wine stores?

>> No.18278722

>>18273953
Because growing a Vinyard was traditionally a bourgeois niche thing when you think about it.

You're taking very fertile land and growing a single crop of concentrated grapes that requires constant attention and grooming, purely for making alcohol.

Over time it has branched off into different styles of enjoyment. But that sort of stigma of "prestige" attached to it still stands.

I live near lots of vineyards, and go to some just for a glass of wine and a snack and shoot the shit with my wife.
The people who come from far off all dress like they're going to a wedding. Meanwhile take 20 steps into the Vinyard and you'll see 10 Mexicans manhandling everything and the wine making process is hot sticky and gross. Although I do keep track of weather and such year to year and do notice a difference in the wine from those conditions, pretty neat.

>> No.18278762

Wait until OP hears about scotch

>> No.18278829

>>18278722
I'm not sure you know what the word "bourgeois" means, you might want to look that up

>> No.18279636

>>18278829
It means upper middle class.

Poor people back in the day didn't drink wine, they drank cheap cider and variations of beer or malted drinks because they had readily access to those types of crops. Unlike vineyards, why would poor people use their good land for growing nearly unedible grapes that take a lot of work to cultivate?

My brother collects wine because he can and thinks he's some wine expert because of it, wine has always been tied to upper middle and up classes.

>> No.18279658

>>18273953
>It's literally just old grape juice
do your own and sell it, i dont care about a fucking idiot think about wine, you are a fucking retard. Go ahead and sell old grape juice and compete with wine companies, hell, at least try to sell it to poor niggers in the streets and we will talk.

>> No.18279675

>>18273963
>>18273953
everyone in this thread is retarded. it's because it takes a long time to ferment good wine. i would like to see you take care of a wine barrel for 4-10 years, when undoubtedly you've never even pickled.

>> No.18279676

>>18273963
>For some reason it's ok when it's old grape juice though
you know what? i love wine, i love it to the point to pay for festivals and stuff like that, i´m not a wine snob, i found some people are trying too hard to LARP as wine experts, i consume cheap wine, not crap, but cheap, i enjoy it a lot, and now i understand wine its like bitches, the best wine is the wine i like, no matter if its cheap or expensive, no faggot would convince me to pay for something i dont like in my mouth, that being said: its ok if you say you dont like wine or you like cheap wine, it´s totally fine. But dont come up with that stpid crap about "old grape juice", try to make "old grape juice" and come up with something remotely similar to wine, i dare you motherfucker, i fucking dare you, you dont like wine, thats ok, that doesnt make you a pleb, but dont spill that crap.

>> No.18279682

>>18273973
>Of course most people can't afford the """good wine""",
you are terribly worng about whats good wine, as a fucking Colombian i can say to you a good wine doesnt cost you more than 15 dollars, and i´m talking about Concha y Toro from Chile. You grew up thinking wine is for rich people... go to fucking Italy, Chile or France and you will found out thats a fucking lie

>> No.18279687

>>18273973
>even in poorer countries people still pay your old grape juice bottle way more than a bottle of any other fruit juice
if old orange juice tasted like old grape juice i would buy the orange juice, the problem here is you have no fucking tongue motherfucker, how the fuck would you compare the taste of orange juice with wine? what the fuck are you high on nigga, what the fuck.

>> No.18279699

>>18278521
I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm a different anon. If you have shitty water, you can boil it to disinfect it. Turning it into alcohol also disinfects it. Pretty simple concept

>> No.18279702

>>18278356
Cavernet Sauvignon is the Linkin Park of the wines

>> No.18279704

>>18273953
Looks like OP is too busy WINEING

>> No.18279717

>>18273953
> paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for a single bottle of fermented damn grape juice
I can almost guarantee you there isn't a single person on this website who has ever spent that much on a bottle of wine, and the amount of people who have done that in their lifetime is probably a couple hundred thousand on the entire planet. It's definitely not normal dude