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[Anonymous No.18208691]

I can't fucking do it anymore. Keto is nauseating to continue. I want to eat carbs again. My ancestry is HIGH CARB! I'M FUCKING SLAVIC!!!

[Anonymous No.18208705]

If you're doing Keto to lose weight you should stop doing that.

Following a diet with the goal to lose weight is never a smart idea. You will hit your goal and fall back into old eating habits.
Just have a normal diet and eat appropriate amounts of food.

[Anonymous No.18208709]

>>18208705
I didn't get on it to lose weight, but it sure has been successful on it. 15 pounds lost in about 3 weeks so far.
I did just fine losing weight on a low fat diet right before it, like 80 lbs lost since January.

I'm never hungry, but fuck is my mouth/throat greasy as shit, and the fucking salt overload is killing me. I feel sick even though I'm not. It's just disgusting.

I just want a good sandwich again.

[Anonymous No.18208713]

>>18208691
>IM SLAVIC
your ancestry is a high cum diet.

[Anonymous No.18208722]

>>18208709
>I didn't get on it to lose weight
then why did you get on it? are you epileptic?
>the fucking salt overload is killing me
use less salt

[Anonymous No.18208724]

>>18208691
You're damaging your organs retard. Any shortcut you take in life comes at a cost. You have to eat a balanced diet with whole foods and cut calories.

[Anonymous No.18208749]

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 8 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

[Anonymous No.18208758]

>>18208749
When carbs are allegedly so bad then why did we not have an obesity problem 60, 70 or 80 years ago where most people lived on a heavily carbs based diet?
Watch them falter trying to come up with an explanation

[Anonymous No.18209266]

>>18208758
>>18208749
I'm by no means a keto cultist, but the truth is carby food does tend to be bad. Bread can be 100-500 extra calories in a meal and it really does nothing to fill you up. Eating carbs through fruit isn't bad, and if you have 100-150g of carbs a day that's still fine imo. Where keto is retarded is when they insist on under 50 or 0 which can lead to health issues and you'll likely balloon back up if you ever start eating carbs again.

But a lot of carby foods really are just terrible empty calories that don't make you feel full and many encourage you to stuff your face with it and overeat. So my opinion is basically a low average carb intake is good, but you should still regularly have them. No need to be extreme and insist unlimited carb intake is fine or you must have none of it.

As for your other assertion, there are many reasons people were slimmer 60+ years ago, the main of which is that they exercised and burned tons more calories than modern people do just to stay alive. So it doesn't matter if their diets sucked(which they did), because they ate smaller portions and did far more physical work. That's not evidence that their diet was fine or suitable for a modern person.

[Anonymous No.18209275]

CMETANA AND MYONEZ BRAT

[Anonymous No.18209278]

just do a high carb day once a week. it's how I do things and it works for me

[Anonymous No.18209281]

>>18209266
my previous diet I hovered around 50g fat, 100g protein, and 200-250g carbs and did just fine losing weight, lost a lot of weight on it (80+ lbs in 6 months)

granted I did intermittent fasting 16:8 and did exercise daily

some would say that's too many carbs

[Anonymous No.18209300]

>>18209281
Again, I'm not a keto retard. If you have a diet that works and it happens to have 250g of carbs, then no reason not to do it. At the end of the day, the most important thing is feeling full, feeling good, keeping your calories low, and being able to commit and even enjoy your new diet and lifestyle. Tracking nutrition for me was just a way to try out different methods and I personally found lowish carbs(100-150g) ideal for weight loss, but dieting isn't one method fits all.

[Anonymous No.18209305]

>>18209300
>feeling full
I should say satisfied or satiated, rather.

[Anonymous No.18209374]

>>18209305
yeah, I'm the keto OP and right now I feel the exact opposite

it has made eating absolutely unenjoyable to me, if you told me I would have to skip the next 3 days of meals I would thank you and look forward to it

eating is an absolute chore now

[Anonymous No.18209385]

>>18209374
If you're miserable, there's no point, friend. That doesn't mean indulge on anything but clearly you can tweak your diet and try something else. It shouldn't be miserable. I'm talking as someone who went from being a complete fat fuck stuffing his face full of 4.5k calories of fast food and soda every day to 1.2k and I never felt hungry or miserable making the transition.

You're just hurting yourself and possibly causing health problems. There's more than one way to lose weight and imo, keto isn't a great long term weight loss plan. It's more of a short term fat burning diet.

Just consider adding in a small amount of carbs and see how you feel. A banana, an apple, a breadroll for a turkey sandwich for lunch or something. Just add in a bit.

[Anonymous No.18209392]

>>18209385
Yes, the advice I've read is to slowly transition off keto over the course of 2 weeks or so, eating 20g or so more carbs each day while reducing fat by 10g or so?

dunno

[Anonymous No.18209444]

>>18208691
i basically eat only carbs and some non fat dairy
im healthy
I eat beans, bread, watermelon, air popped popcorn, oatmeal, pasta, and the like. I use artificial sweetener to make the food taste better, aspartame is my favorite.

[Anonymous No.18209449]

>>18209444
i also eat a lot of canned tomato products.

[Anonymous No.18209466]

What I find interesting is that there are far fewer CICO shills around. People are noticing macronutrient breakdowns and differentiating between high and low quality fats, carbohydrates, and proteins more than ever. This is good. Not all food calories are equal. There was this bizarro 20-year stretch where people cared more about the nutritional quality of their pets' foods than their own.

[Anonymous No.18209473]

>>18209305
starches are more satiating than fat. silly. they are fewer calories per gram, and they also spike blood sugar which causes satiety.

[Anonymous No.18209488]

>>18209466
i'm so glad carbtards stopped posting.

ate 2 packages of bacon today. feel great.

[Anonymous No.18209493]

>>18209488
sat fat will kill you.

[Anonymous No.18209523]

>>18209493
nah. the nitrosamines though...

[Anonymous No.18209709]

>>18209473
>starches are more satiating than fat. silly.
That is not my experience. If I eat a starch, I will be hungry before my next meal. I might have more short term energy. If I eat fat, I feel fuller for longer. Good for energy, bad for hunger.

[Anonymous No.18210259]

>>18208705

This is what I've found. I just can't stick to keto long term. I did it and dropped 30 pounds. Came off of it and started eating normal foods again. I gained all of the weight back. I wasn't even eating bad stuff, just too much I guess. I feel like I would have a way easier time just counting calories than trying to not eat carbs.

[Anonymous No.18210479]

>>18208705
>Following a diet with the goal to lose weight is never a smart idea.
Fat people won't exercise, or do anything physical, it's why they're fat. And the reason they can't move their lardasses is because they're stupid.

Fuck stupid people.

[Anonymous No.18210493]

>>18209709
the key to a successful starch diet is to eat very little fat. used aspartame to make starches taste better.

[Anonymous No.18210496]

>>18208705
Diets that bring you to ketoses are supposed to drop your weight and reset your habits so you can eat lesser calories without feeling like starving all the time. If you gain your weight back is not because of the diet but because you are a fucking pig that can't control itself.

[Anonymous No.18210517]

>>18208691
I've tried to Keto, but I end up breaking down and eating some carbs and then gaining even more weight. Today I ate a half pound of bacon and three eggs for breakfast....then I had two pieces of sourdough toast

[Anonymous No.18210649]

the only people who should maybe eat a ketogenic diet are people with epileptic seizures. The mechanism by which the ketogenic diet protects the brain from these seizures is that the higher level of ammonia in the brain causes your brain to up defensive pathways which can lessen the occurence of the seizures.

you are increasing blood ammonia levels in your body by having this diet, it is extremly stupid to do
if i would be fat i would cut all fat and eat rice and fruit until the weight is off, basically the kempner rice diet.
instead of supplements just eat seafood and liver.

[Anonymous No.18211308]

>>18209266
>As for your other assertion, there are many reasons people were slimmer 60+ years ago, the main of which is that they exercised and burned tons more calories than modern people do
Yeah thats my entire point

[Anonymous No.18211317]

>>18211308
But it's not a very good point against modern diets because all it is evidence of is if you're doing enough cardio, you can burn off a bad diet. It's not evidence that carbs are good for you. The only keto cultist argument it debunks is the idea that you need keto to lose weight or stay thin, which is ridiculous. But that doesn't mean modern diets can't make it easier to burn fat or lose weight.

[Anonymous No.18211345]

>>18210649
Okay.

How do I safely come off the diet and back to a regular one without spiking my blood sugar/insulin levels?

[Anonymous No.18211437]

>>18208691
Just do dirty keto.

[Anonymous No.18211510]

>>18210493
>Just eat what breaks down into formaldehyde

Retard

[Anonymous No.18211652]

>>18209266
I dont want kind of bread you're eating but it does fill you up. Most carbs dude. Whole wheat bread and potatoes are at the top of the satiety list.

[Anonymous No.18212456]

>>18211652
>I dont want kind of bread you're eating but it does fill you up
It doesn't. You will be hungry before your next meal.

>Whole wheat bread and potatoes are at the top of the satiety list.
They give you a lot of short term energy but don't provide long term satiety. Potatoes in particular suck for dieting. They're calorie dense and not filling. Why do you think french fries and potato chips are one of the most common things fatties stuff their faces with and overeat?

I've never even seen anyone use bread or potatoes for weight loss. It makes no sense. The only people that overload on that stuff is like cyclists who will carb load with spaghetti, bread, and potatoes for a ton of energy on their marathons.

[Anonymous No.18212497]

>>18208705
I lost 30 pounds doing keto then regained all of it because I was depressed

[Anonymous No.18212502]

>>18208691
>My ancestry is HIGH CARB! I'M FUCKING SLAVIC!!!
Congratulations you finally made sense
Now go back to eating normally, just don't eat SUGAR unless you're spending a fuckton of calories in your schedule

Also I'd counter-argue if you really have slavic ancestry then you're among the ones that are the LEAST used to eating carbs on the regular but whatever mate, you can experiment both sides

[Anonymous No.18212505]

>>18212456
>Potatoes in particular suck for dieting. They're calorie dense and not filling. Why do you think french fries and potato chips are one of the most common things fatties stuff their faces with and overeat?
Those are deep fried. Surely you can see the difference between that and a baked potato.

[Anonymous No.18212507]

>>18209266
If bread doesn't fill you up, try buying actual bread instead of refined flour laced with sugar

[Anonymous No.18213225]

>>18211345
you are asking really tough questions.

[Anonymous No.18213248]

>>18210649
>kempner rice diet.

[Anonymous No.18213338]

>>18208758
>>18212507
This. I think keto/fasting is a great way to reset your senses and get back under control, but at the end of the day, there is only one god and its name is calorie counting.

Americans simply eat too much, like disgusting fucking pigs at trough. Not complicated why they’re fat.

[Anonymous No.18213414]

>>18208691
Jesus Christ why is it so hard for people to just work out and eat a little less

[Anonymous No.18213439]

>>18213414
>grow up on food loaded with additives designed to make it as addictive as possible
>bathed in endocrine disruptors
>have to work in increasingly abstract professions that bring no satisfaction and pull you further and further from the products of your labor
>either spend your life alone or take your pick of romantic partners are poisoned by decades of cultural programming designed to make everyone miserable consumers
>only pleasure possible outside of drugs is momentary pleasant mouth feelings

[Anonymous No.18213467]

>>18213439
>>only pleasure possible outside of drugs is momentary pleasant mouth feelings
SUBSTANCE SUBSTITUTES LOVE AND AFFECTION

[Anonymous No.18213490]

>>18213439
So you're weak and even though you recognize it you do nothing about it? Stay fat and die young please.

[Anonymous No.18213514]

I just keep my carbs around 100g and that feels good enough. Basically all my carbs come from dairy, vegetables, honey and fruits though, not whatever putrid garbage people usually stuff their fat faces with.

[Anonymous No.18213526]

>>18213490
Not excusing, just explaining. Life sucks for a lot of people and food is one outlet.

[Anonymous No.18213608]

>>18213526
There are plenty of other outlets. Using food as an outlet doesn't even need to be unhealthy. Bake your own bread. Make your own shit. I unironically pray for a real pandemic that wipes the fatties out

[Anonymous No.18213618]

>>18208691
there's nothing special about keto that makes you lose weight, it just forces you to actually count your macros which you can do with any diet. Carbs also add water weight so you'll see that drop off quickly too on any low carb diet, but its not body fat.

Biggest thing keto has going for it is getting people used to counting macros/calories and improving satiety. But you could eat other things to achieve similar levels of satiety on carb-friendly diets, like lots of vegetables and potato.

[Anonymous No.18213666]

>>18208691
https://voca.ro/1cgQsYSPofa7

[Anonymous No.18213708]

>>18208691
Keto mainly works because it makes people give up junk food since most of it contains carbs. And it shows people they can keep eating meat, fat, and cheese, unlike people previously thinking they had to eat dry salad and boiled chicken breast to get healthier which is unsustainable.

If you're at a healthy weight then just start adding in healthy sources of carbs, which basically means just avoid highly processed food. Brown rice, fruit, beans, honey, etc. That's good advice in general especially since it seems like there's a lot of keto junk food now which might not be much better for you either.

[Anonymous No.18213717]

>>18213708
There are plenty of junk keto products now as well. Keto, carnivore, vegan, paleo, or whatever people need to eat whole foods

[Anonymous No.18213832]

>>18208691
your slavic ancestors ate animal fats and proteins and got their micronutrients from organ meats for 99% of their history, this is what your body is used to, for 1% of their history they ate high carb foods they farmed and during this time people had objectively poorer health - they sacrificed a more nourishing diet for a more stable and consistent diet. you want carbs in the same way a lifelong painkiller user wants painkillers, and would say 'my body needs painkillers, painkillers are all i know' - thats retarded, keep doing keto and dont be a faggot, the longer you do it the easier it gets, drink electrolytes to ward off cravings

[Anonymous No.18213897]

>>18208705
loosing weight is the only reason to do keto.
Long term keto is just not optimal (or even potentially harmful) for health

[Anonymous No.18213910]

>>18209466
> What I find interesting is that there are far fewer CICO shills around.
They probably got sick of replying to retarded cultist
CICO is what makes you gain or loose weight at the end, of course is an approximation, but a good predictor
> Not all food calories are equal
But not because of what macro gives you those calories. That's a retarded oversimplification and then you get a lot of cretins not eating fruits because "muh carbs!"

[Anonymous No.18213913]

>>18208691
become itallian, all the carbos & keto you want Mcfatty

[Anonymous No.18214639]

>>18213490
kek you are retarded

[Anonymous No.18214644]

>>18213248
was sharon ryan hot??

[Anonymous No.18214660]

>>18214639
Ah yes muh genetics. Stay fat, die young. Keep your faggy articles as excuses for being a weak ass human.

[Anonymous No.18214663]

>>18208691
I'm willing to bet you consume garbage plant oils like fucking avocado or dumb shit like that instead of high quality raw animal fat.
I've been on a high fat diet since the start of the year, not for weight loss but to eat naturally, and it's been only positive for me.
Stop eating plant oils, stop eating seed oils, start eating ANIMAL FAT and lots of it. And don't stress over your carb cravings, just eat some fruit which are NATURAL CARBS not retarded bread which is literally just sugar, it doesn't hydrate you like fruit, it doesn't provide electrolytes and it doesn't provide vitamin C. The point is to eat naturally, not to stay religious to some man-made beliefs

[Anonymous No.18214723]

>>18208713
Kek

[Anonymous No.18214724]

>>18208758
Refined sugars and grains are bad. Indegenous populations with rice or sweet potato are ok

[Anonymous No.18214731]

>>18209374
Just eat a fat steak and sum broccoli.
Sis kebab with garlic-yoghurt and salad.

Eat high protein and low carb and medium amount of fat

[Anonymous No.18214842]

>>18213618
Its Like people intentionally ignore proven science facts. Including you. There is reason and mechanism in your body keto makes you lose fat. And its not calorie counting (which maybe a good part and Habit of keto, im Not refuting that).

[Anonymous No.18214843]

>>18210479
Post physique

[Anonymous No.18214863]

>>18210479
I went at least 2, on average 3 timesa week to the gym, by bike. 5min cardio + 1,5h excercise. I stopped eating sugary things I thought and instead meat veggies and potatos or rice. 3 meals a day no snacks, only water or tea, no sodas or shit like that.
I did this for 6 years.
I do keto since only 3 weeks now, but I eat way less and am satiated very fast.

I do keto because after loosing weight (1-5kg) I always made it back without eating more.

I started reading jason fungs book, thats why I started keto.
I dont know if youre open enough, but youre just repeating corporate and elite propagnda

[Anonymous No.18214873]

>>18208705
>>18208724
>>18208749
>>18208758
>>18209278
>>18209444
>>18209473
>>18210649

See >>18214863
Also if you cant see the fat on your body it still collects on your organs

[Anonymous No.18214875]

>>18208705
yeah, keto is moronic. just do a basic low carb rather than full retard keto

[Anonymous No.18214882]

>>18208691
Keto is a tool, not a lifestyle. Ketosis on occasion is good for the body, constant/permanent ketosis is just as retarded as veganism. Intermittent fasting/OMAD eating only good, real food is what will get you to a healthy weight without worrying about calories.

[Anonymous No.18214898]

>>18212505
>Those are deep fried. Surely you can see the difference between that and a baked potato.
And yet they're still potatoes. Show me a single person trying to lose weight and dieting that is eating bread and potatoes regularly. I guarantee they are exercising like crazy to make up for eating such goofy shit while trying to lose weight.

[Anonymous No.18214920]

>>18214898
Sweet potatoes are fairly common desu senpai

[Anonymous No.18214930]

>>18214842
>proven science facts
brainlet wording
>>18214660
you can not even read a headline dumbass.

[Anonymous No.18214991]

>>18214930
It says some bullshit about mice that I don't care about. Eat yourself to death please

[Anonymous No.18214995]

>>18208691
add in fresh orange juice and mexican coke and potatoes

sure it might not be keto anymore but at least you won't be going back to bread and cookies

[Anonymous No.18215006]

>>18214930
>Brainlet wording
Fucking faggot kill yourself. How about you actually Talk about my Argument you ignorant, mentally retarded piece of Shit.
Always the Same with retards Like you

[Anonymous No.18215009]

that's cool. going to continue doing low carb and fasting till I hit my GW

[Anonymous No.18215122]

>>18214842
keto doesn't make you lose fat faster than anything else. Ketosis does not change your net fat deposits

[Anonymous No.18215426]

Keto causes liver failure

[Anonymous No.18215484]

>>18208758
manual labour u fucking retard, u used them 3-4k calories meal, now those calories getting stored as fat with 0 movements

[Anonymous No.18215493]

>>18209392
add daily burek i jogurt meals to your keto diet

[Anonymous No.18215509]

>>18208691
So eat high carb, just watch what you eat and don't go overboard. Track your calories if you need to. It's important to take in important nutrients but for losing weight just intake less calories than you burn off (2000 calories per day is what we burn doing nothing I think).
Stuff like oatmeal fills you up for a while so try that.

[Anonymous No.18215621]

>>18208691
Fast every other day. Jog or lift for 1 hour 6 days a week.

[Anonymous No.18215633]

>>18215426
nice I forgot how crucial carbs are for your liver lol

[Anonymous No.18215716]

>>18213608
we literally just had one

[Anonymous No.18215783]

>>18215484
Yeah and how does that disprove my initial comment? We have the same opinion you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.18215946]

>>18208705
i've asked people with a lot of experience and its really about cardio for carbs its pretty blatant for an average diet an hour of cardio a day keeps carbs in balance