/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.18059067]

>go to fancy restaurant with senpai
>no one orders the expensive wine pairings, or any alcohol at all for that matter
>waitstaff suddenly treats us like lepers

Is this par for the course? Does just getting water for our beverages make us shitty customers in the eyes of restaurants?

[Anonymous No.18059071]

>>18059067
all customers are subhumans in the eyes of waitstaff

[Anonymous No.18059093]

If you can't afford to buy drinks you can't afford to eat at the restaurant.

[Anonymous No.18059098]

>>18059093
Alcohol numbs the senses and makes you appreciate the food less. I wouldn't drink alcohol with a tasting menu.

[Anonymous No.18059102]

>>18059098
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.18059145]

>>18059102
kuffar cope

[Anonymous No.18059235]

>>18059102
Silence you drunkard

[Anonymous No.18059241]

>>18059067
>Is this par for the course?
yes
>Does just getting water for our beverages make us shitty customers
yes

[Anonymous No.18059254]

Drinks are where the profit comes from, they think you're being cheap and suspect you won't tip either

[Anonymous No.18059259]

>>18059067
Yes, also may I get a glass of milk with that?

[Anonymous No.18059462]

>>18059098
alright, I took the bait you idiot, yeah maybe if you're drunk it numbs your senses but you don't drink to get drunk at a multi course dinner. Wine is full of complex aromatic volatile organic compounds, the right wine-food pairing elevates the experience where the sum is more than just the parts alone. Same with beer, except food pairing beer is simpler IMO. Wine food pairing = grape variety with food intensity. Beer food pairing = beer intensity with food intensity.

Only plebs drink to get drunk. Sophisticated co/ck/suckers know how to properly pair al/ck/ohol with food. As such, a proper wine thread is worthless without talking about food pairings.

[Anonymous No.18059477]

>>18059462
It depends on the wine ackshully, and any fine dining worth their snuff should be finding interesting wines with great character to add an additional element to the dish. They don't just grab a bottle of cab for their beef dish. The somm will find a specific cab that works particularly well with it.

In general you are correct tho.

[Anonymous No.18059518]

>>18059477
True, grape varieties can exhibit a wide range of flavors, even with the same type of grapes, so you're right about needing to find the right wine to pair with the right food, it's a never ending quest truthfully. I come home with a different wine to pair with whatever I feel like eating that day and it's hit and miss on how I gauge my wine-food pairing.

[Anonymous No.18059527]

>>18059462
This is wrong, because alcohol tastes like shit. Not objectively, factually. Whoever made this is retarded and whoever drinks alcohol with their food because it "pairs well" is fucking retarded and pretentious. If you need alcohol to go with your food, the food fucking sucks and so do you.

[Anonymous No.18059535]

>>18059067
I always see these dishes and can't imagine they're filling. Why am I going to pay whatever that dish costs and not even be full? Sure they may taste good but I can go somewhere else, pay a fraction of the cost and not be hungry again 10 minutes later.

[Anonymous No.18059536]

>>18059527
>alcohol tastes like shit
>being a tastelet and browsing /ck/
oh my sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.18059564]

>>18059462
what a retarded infographic. all these squiggly lines overlapping each other, unappealing to the eye, does nothing that couldn't be accomplished with a simple grid table. the meat is labled 'meat' twice and it switches between white and black text seemingly at random

[Anonymous No.18059565]

>>18059535
Small dishes like that are almost always part of a well portioned tasting menu.

[Anonymous No.18059573]

>>18059564
They also forgot to put champagne as going with everything, but it's reasonable as a starting point.

[Anonymous No.18059729]

>>18059067
They make larger profits on booze

[Anonymous No.18059839]

>>18059535
They're usually part of a 12-20 course evening.
But even so, if fullness is all you are after, go get a kebab

[Anonymous No.18059846]

[Anonymous No.18059851]

>>18059462
is this just pretentious garbage? Alcohol is just alcohol

[Anonymous No.18059864]

>>18059851
>t. Never had a mind blowing wine paring.

Sad.

[Anonymous No.18059877]

>>18059864
I'm not a post menopausal single woman who lives with 10 cats. I don't care much for wine.

[Anonymous No.18059951]

>>18059877
>she thinks all wine drinkers are wine aunts
I didn't care much about wine until I experienced good wine with good cheese and tasted flavors and smells that weren't apparent when the cheese or wine is consumed by themselves. To never experience how much a good wine food pair can elevate your experience is truly sad.

[Anonymous No.18059961]

>>18059527
You're going to piss off a lot of cucks but you're bang on

[Anonymous No.18059967]

>>18059951
It doesn't even need to be expensive wine or luxurious food. Just well paired food and wine.

[Anonymous No.18059968]

>>18059071
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18059974]

>>18059527
>because alcohol tastes like shit
man child detected

[Anonymous No.18059981]

>>18059093
>If you can't afford to buy drinks you can't afford to eat at the restaurant.
If you can't afford a 100% markup on alcohol and the 25% on the total price you should just stay home.

[Anonymous No.18059997]

>>18059967
Exactly, the other day I picked up a cheap pinot noir, malbec, sirah blended wine and little caesars hot-n-ready pepperoni lol, turned out to be a fantastic combo

[Anonymous No.18060048]

>>18059093
what kind of elitist bullshit is this?

[Anonymous No.18060056]

>>18059254
wait staff are making it a self fulfilling prophecy of getting a bad tip of they're going to give shitty service for terrible assumptions

[Anonymous No.18060067]

>>18059067
They do that shit in the US because they work off tips. In any other part of the world, they wouldn't care.

[Anonymous No.18060079]

>>18059071
Which is funny because they make minimum wage or barely more, and live on people's voluntary tips that are given at the end of the meal. Their shitty behavior means people tip them less (or not at all) so they literally limit their own income. This is a peak millennial thing, 50% of them made it into adulthood OK but the other 50% are wagecucking it, so they are extra resentful. At least zoomers are all in the same boat more or less, so they aren't bitter about being dealt a shit hand.

[Anonymous No.18060092]

>>18060079
Can you show me some evidence that the wait staff at fine dining establishments are paid minimum wage? I have trouble believing it.

[Anonymous No.18060097]

>>18059462
>yeah maybe if you're drunk it numbs your senses but you don't drink to get drunk at a multi course dinner
Ethanol numbs your taste buds. You literally lose taste sensation as soon as it touches your tongue.
>Wine is full of complex aromatic volatile organic compounds
Cool, doesn't make food taste better.
>the right wine-food pairing elevates the experience where the sum is more than just the parts alone.
Not really, it just adds overpowering flavors that make you think you're tasting more of the food when you're just drowning it out in the sour bitterness of the wine.

[Anonymous No.18060107]

>>18060079
Even though they make fuck all money, for some reason, I always feel inferior to waiters who work at fancy restaurants. I get the impression that they're from a higher class, since they get to spend their days/nights at fine establishments. I forget that they go home to shit apartments and can barely afford the same niceties as me. But, I'd still rather that lifestyle than the one I have now.

[Anonymous No.18060124]

>>18059462
Checked

[Anonymous No.18060137]

>>18060097
I'll add to this with if you need wine to elevate a dish, without actually incorporating it into said dish, it's trash.

[Anonymous No.18060158]

>>18059951
Beer tastes better with some nachos but I'm not a pretentious bitch about it.

[Anonymous No.18060209]

>>18060107
Technically they are a "higher" class but only in the sense that they're allowed to serve the actual upper class. A rich man's personal butler is not an ordinary person to him, servants that high in the order are considered almost family. Not as high as other nobles and definitely not on the ranks of the royals but the servant class is easily above the peasant class, in basic classism.

[Anonymous No.18060230]

>>18060097
But anon, ethanol is a type of solvent that can break down oils releasing locked aromatics found in food and tasting flavor is predominantly about using your nose more than your tongue.

[Anonymous No.18060243]

they rely on you getting sloshed so that you're dumb enough to tip well/not notice them write a big tip on the check

[Anonymous No.18060671]

>>18059527
Whenever I read post like this, two scenarios spring to mind. Either this opinion springs from the mind of someone who grew up with alcoholic parents, or who has someone struggling with addiction close to them when they were young. They are unable to objectively perceive what alcohol is supposed to bring to a healthy social gathering, with, or without food. In their mind alcohol just equals bad. Probably for the best because alcoholism is passed on with genes.
The other scenario is simply the opinion of an obese muslim. Have you seen what they drink with their meals? It's soda, soda, soda. Even the ELDERLY muslims drink soda, like a child. It is truly embarrassing. They all walk around with this indian-like sugar gut physique in my country, into which they immigrated. I guess it is to be expected of 80IQ inbred desert dwelling retards who were too stupid to manage their intake of calories.

Wow, okay. I guess this post actually made me seethe. Good job faggot.

[Anonymous No.18060714]

>>18060671
Not him, actually a Polak, you know th people drinking Vodka with their cereal. But alcohol has its place, but its not with high quality food. It absolutely numbs your taste. If anything you introduce it after a meal to both eliminate the slight bloating from a rich meal as well as to serve as an adult dessert.

Driking alcohol with each dish is just retarded, as ittakes away from the food and maks you drunk till you reach the highlight of the evening.

Last but not last winetasters and such have lng been exposed as frauds. All of them. Go shil your shitty grape juice somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.18060743]

>>18059067
I work back of house in a very high-end restaurant.
We rely on wine and Champagne sales for profits. We pretty much only break even on the food.
The server's job is therefore not simply to haul plates back and forth but also to know the wine card very well and talk people into buying more wine and more expensive wine.
When it becomes clear to her that your table will not be buying any wine she focuses on the other tables instead. She (in our place at least) won't resent you for it, but you're simply not worth her limited time.
Consider it a form of triage.

[Anonymous No.18060796]

>>18059462
whats the point of this autism when 99% of the time everyone just drinks cabsav anyway?

[Anonymous No.18060894]

>>18059974
>man child detected
As he sips is estrogenic beverages, titties growing ever larger
>>18060671
No one in my life is an alcoholic because no one I know is stupid enough to drink the shit

[Anonymous No.18060908]

>>18060097
Red wines are high in glutamates, aka natural msg, tard slinger.

[Anonymous No.18060925]

>>18060107
People who work at those restaurants are all drunks

[Anonymous No.18061113]

>>18060743
>We pretty much only break even on the food.
how? Are your chefs retarded or not buying in bulk?

[Anonymous No.18061121]

>>18059462
>Chart isn't ordered from Driest to Sweetest
Gay

[Anonymous No.18061130]

>>18061113
That's exactly it, buddy.
Glad some fucking retard on 4chan figured out the issue for us.

[Anonymous No.18061148]

>>18061113
>taxes
>credit card fee
>gas
>electricity
>wages
>personalized porcelain
>crystal glasses
>custom uniforms
>white truffle 3000 Euro/kg
>caviar 2500 Euro/kg
>5 top range langoustines 45 Euro
Restaurants make 2% profit on the food they serve. If that.

[Anonymous No.18061156]

>>18059067
imagine caring what some uppity waiters think about you. they are literally serfs. if they dont smile and nod at me, well tough shit no tip for you loser.

[Anonymous No.18061201]

>>18059067
Drinking alcohol in a restaurant is the biggest scam.

[Anonymous No.18061227]

>>18060079
oh no, not the poor zoomers. they have it so rough. it's like, so bad out there for gen z, bro. maybe if they'd put down their stupid fucking phones and live in the real world rather than vicariously through social media they could get something done. maybe they should get some skills. maybe they should actually talk to people and use their big boy words in order to network and find jobs.

[Anonymous No.18061241]

>>18059536
>sweet summer child
I have never met someone who uses this phrase and isn't a giant faggot

[Anonymous No.18062039]

>>18059527
You are right.

[Anonymous No.18062151]

>>18060097
>Ethanol numbs your taste buds
Some wine pairing compliment meals really well and largely overpower the numbness induced by ethanol.
Camembert with a glass of wine taste twice better.

[Anonymous No.18062249]

>>18060796
Maybe in Muttland lol

[Anonymous No.18062258]

>>18061113
Restaurants don't make money unless they're consistently always fully booked

[Anonymous No.18062264]

Alcoholics really trying to desperately defend their addiction in here...

[Anonymous No.18062517]

>>18059259
mmmmmmmmmm boobies

[Anonymous No.18062529]

>>18059067
Just make a steering wheel gesture with your hands

[Anonymous No.18062547]

>>18059067
Alcohol purchases are what makes your bill go from moderate to expensive. Wait staff see your drinking as a way to boost the bill and ultimately their tip. They're more prone to pay closer attention to tables consuming alcohol as they know people who have loosened up after a few drinks are more prone to tipping bigger.

t. former server/bartender

[Anonymous No.18062653]

>>18061148
>personalized porcelain
>crystal glasses
those are one time costs

>white truffle 3000 Euro/kg
>caviar 2500 Euro/kg
Are restaurants giving away the entire thing? You're supposed to just give tiny amounts of that

[Anonymous No.18062666]

>>18060796
savignons are gross, both cab and bianco. Bianco has too much mineral taste and cab is too sour for red IMO

[Anonymous No.18062685]

But what if you don't like alcohol?

[Anonymous No.18062713]

>>18061227
They can't do shit, every year opportunities for young people fade.

[Anonymous No.18062727]

>>18059951
Pairing wine with cheese is a complete meme. Anybody stuck on that track has no idea.

[Anonymous No.18062832]

>>18062727
You have to realize it's like Starbucks, Starbucks is actually garbage (well to be fair it depends on the barista serving and it could range from garbage to mediocre to alright) anyways, you're right it's a meme but my point is wine and cheese is a gateway to wine tasting no different from wine and cured meats. However, you can't deny a good wine-cheese pair is phenomenal, next level kind of food magi/ck/. You make a good point though, can't stay stuck on that track, wine-food pair is a better way to put it.

[Anonymous No.18062836]

>>18062832
Lol I went offtrack with the Starbucks thing, I meant to say it's like how Starbucks is a gateway to actual good espresso

[Anonymous No.18062846]

>>18059259
>fenugreek
wait wtf i just started taking fenugreek supplements am i gonna start fucking lactating?? bros??

[Anonymous No.18063013]

>>18060671
>I have no counterpoints so I'm going to project my delusions like a retard.
Only one with 80 iq is probably you lmao

[Anonymous No.18064458]

>>18059067
Alcohol can be half of the restaurant bill. Even if you tip well over 20%, it's still not worth it for them to give you anything other than the most basic service (assuming you're in the US or the Middle East where tipping is common and even expected). They're assuming their tip from you is going to be tiny, so they give better service to the tables that order alcohol.

[Anonymous No.18064463]

>>18060894
i think its time to log off for a bit anon

[Anonymous No.18065078]

>>18059462
>Sophisticated co/ck/suckers know how to stroke themselves in a fantastical delusion of grandeur
ftfy

[Anonymous No.18065261]

>>18062846
Yes. Please post pictures as your breaststroke develop to voluptuous sizes.

[Anonymous No.18065288]

>>18062653
>those are one time costs
Trust me, they're not.

[Anonymous No.18065321]

>>18065261
kek

[Anonymous No.18065574]

>>18060714
>polak
>cant appreciate finer things
>compares wine to shit like drinking vodka for breakfast
not surprising coming from the nation of plebs. nobody is forcing you to pay for anything you deem a scam, especially not you in particular.

[Anonymous No.18065592]

>>18059462
this is true, and when i've had wine pairings with tasting menus it really elevates it, but also im a lightweight so by the end of the meal im usually pretty tipsy

[Anonymous No.18065980]

>>18065574
Sad cope, winecel.

[Anonymous No.18066002]

>>18065980
>accompanies cope with a pic related filled with cope
at least you are consistent