Why are boomers like this?

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Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:17:49 2022 No.18029478 [Reply] [Original]

Why are boomers like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:26:53 2022 No.18029506 >A calorie is not a calorie

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:30:48 2022 No.18029518 >>18029478 Lead poisoning from leaded fuel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:31:28 2022 No.18029519 CICO is about fat people A calorie is a calorie Not all calories are the same though Nobody stayed fat in Auschwitz. Simple as. If CICO isn't the base truth, how do you explain that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:31:35 2022 No.18029520 >>18029506 it obviously isn't, retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:39:26 2022 No.18029540 File: 1.40 MB, 952x1038, 050838E6-EE9F-43C8-BE49-5E86AA5DFFBC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029478 > Eating multiple 400 cal donuts is healthier than eating a single portion of 400 cal salmon You figure that out by youself?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:40:31 2022 No.18029545 >i have refuted laws of thermodynamics but cannot provide proof Ok so I'll continue to assume a calorie is in fact a calorie. Retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:40:44 2022 No.18029547 >>18029540 UHHH SOURCE? SOURCE BUDDY? YOU GOT A PEER REVIEWED SOURCE BACKING THAT UP?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:43:34 2022 No.18029557 >>18029478 a calorie is a calorie, but carbs and not protein.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:46:56 2022 No.18029577 >>18029520 no, it is. is one gram not a gram, is one joule not a joule, is one inch not an inch? if you misinterpreted the use of a measurement to mean that everything measured is equal in every way, that's on you

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:48:44 2022 No.18029588 File: 78 KB, 600x800, 1653845447408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >peer-reviewed publication

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:50:43 2022 No.18029602 >>18029577 So if I load a penny up with caloric value by holding it over a fire until it turns red, I may then ingest it and thereby obtain that energy as though it were food? And if I did it to excess, I would store some of that energy as fat?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:52:39 2022 No.18029610 File: 2.47 MB, 1500x1500, boat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029577 a boat is a boat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:54:45 2022 No.18029620 >>18029602 You would die as a penny is not digestible like a donut or salmon in OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:55:07 2022 No.18029624 File: 10 KB, 720x180, 1534674574587.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A calorie is a calorie... Wish me luck, bros...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:56:29 2022 No.18029629 >ketards can't produce a source for their cult beliefs so they resort to absurdism Every ketard thread ever made

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:58:16 2022 No.18029636 >>18029547 > ITS BEEN DEBOOONKED ALREADY > DON'T MAKE ME PUT MY DEBOONKING PANTS ON AGAIN

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:59:35 2022 No.18029640 File: 38 KB, 560x420, the treachery of images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029506

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:59:37 2022 No.18029642 Please show me an obese person who overeats on salmon and veggies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 19:59:48 2022 No.18029643 >>18029624 The ultimate bulking food.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:02:10 2022 No.18029650 Dude thermodynamics isn't real.. because I said so OK???

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:03:01 2022 No.18029653 >>18029610 yes, they are both boats. boat is not a measurement of size

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:04:08 2022 No.18029654 >>18029643 when you need to leave humanity behind right real quick and in a hurry

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:05:10 2022 No.18029655

Why do people claim CICO is fake? Are ketards really this brainwashed?
I think it's a pathological desire to eat 5000 kcal of red meat every day and believe that they're secretly losing weight. Questioning this orthodoxy seriously angers them because they need to have their consumer identity reinforced at all times with no pushback. It's the same as "fat rights activists" claiming that they're naturally 300+lbs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:08:12 2022 No.18029663 >>18029478 this is the reason i trained myself to drink gasoline. 1 gallon lasts me about 2 weeks. there is no cheaper way to put energy in your body.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:08:16 2022 No.18029664

>>18029655
Because as the original guy in OPs pic points out, human weight fluctuations aren't subject to just thermodynamics like a car engine, and there's plenty of complex metabolic processes that can change how readily you absorb calories, how easily you burn calories, how hungry certain diets make you (which makes you crave more food, hurting weight loss progress) etc etc. Anyone who spergs out and claims its just CICO is either retarded or is malicious and wants everyone to stay fat for (((other reasons)))

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:12:51 2022 No.18029678

>>18029655
It's not that CICO is fake, it's just not a perfect solution. It's harder to consume the right amount of calories if you're eating a lot of junk food. Junk food is high in calories but overall not very nutritious and it doesn't keep you full. So if someone is on a bad diet with a lot of junk food they're going to struggle with CICO a lot more than someone eating more healthy food.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:13:55 2022 No.18029682 So far the ketards have offered eating pennies, uranium, and gasoline as proof for their cultish dogma. Hmm. I'm not convinced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:16:26 2022 No.18029686 >speakman

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:17:34 2022 No.18029690 >>18029653 point being they are both boats yet completely different.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:17:34 2022 No.18029691 >>18029682 It's not proof. We're just mocking you because you have a tiny brain. I have no need to educate you, but I do have a desire to bully you.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:24:06 2022 No.18029716

>>18029690
but they still one boat each, just as one calories is one calorie. like I said, it's you own fault if you believe a single measurement of energy to have a deeper meaning like how it is converted or the nutrition that is also contained in the matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:25:19 2022 No.18029721 File: 7 KB, 633x758, 478lam.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >It's not proof. We're just mocking you because you have a tiny brain. I have no need to educate you, but I do have a desire to bully you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:26:02 2022 No.18029724 File: 2.26 MB, 478x410, 1618393213814.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:26:26 2022 No.18029727 >>18029691 Ok, so nothing then. Another religious movement based on magic fairy dust.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:29:17 2022 No.18029737

Get the right amount calories and protien each day with mostly healthy foods and a little junk food won't hurt you. I don't know why people feel the need to "disprove" CICO by coming up with retarded counter examples like "HUR, what if you eat nothing but Twinkies." Of course, you're going to feel like shit. No one advocates for that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:30:25 2022 No.18029743 >>18029540 boomer alert

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:31:05 2022 No.18029744 >>18029678 >So if someone is on a bad diet with a lot of junk food they're going to struggle with CICO a lot more than someone eating more healthy food. CICO doesn't mean eating junk food retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:31:31 2022 No.18029746 >>18029727 Yes. You mad, faggot? Why don't you scour google for more paywalled studies LOL

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:33:19 2022 No.18029751

>>18029691
You haven't seen his brain. And the size isn't the deciding factor but how well the brain works. For that you need healthy diet, aerobic exercise and good sleep. And learning things. Not broscience, actually learning complex and difficult things. Not from the internet but from books written by experts who have done empirical studies. Also, 1000 studies saying something >>>>>>> 1 study saying the opposite. It's all probabilities and statistics. But those are too complex for smoothbrains to understand. They think couple of studies disqualifies the hundreds of studies because they go with deductive reasoning. It doesn't work with statistics and probabilities so life in general. Fucking smoothbrains. Also, their confirmation bias absolutely ridiculous but they are too stupid and arrogant to notice that. Fucking Dunning-Kruger meatheads. Absolute mongs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:34:14 2022 No.18029753 >>18029744 A calorie is a calorie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:35:41 2022 No.18029760 >>18029478 Why is he commanding the doctor to presume something? I'd be, like, no u, bitch !

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:40:18 2022 No.18029771 >>18029751 So you don't care if something is actually true or not, you just want LE 1000 STUDIES of people telling you what to think. lel.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:40:26 2022 No.18029772
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>>18029716
Is there a word for avoiding the point a person is poorly trying to make just to continue making the same obvious point over and over? That moron is clearly talking about nutrition as a whole, but just doesn't have the capacity to do it properly. Surely, you could have taken the time to bring it up and explain what anon was TRYING to say, instead of wasting your time on repeat. Right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:54:22 2022 No.18029807 >>18029478 for all the retards that think its exactly the same; literally the only thing you have to understand is insulin response. there are other reasons the salmon is healthier and better for weightloss, but insulin is the number one factor

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 20:58:09 2022 No.18029813 >>18029737 >mostly healthy thats a strong assumption to make of the diet of a fatass following CICO blindly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:00:18 2022 No.18029819 >>18029807 The insulin response is the same over the digestion of the entire thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:01:22 2022 No.18029823 >xhe lacks metabolic flexibility OH NO NO NO

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:05:45 2022 No.18029835 >>18029664 tienes que tomar el medicacion >>18029678 Obviously if you ate 1500 calories of cookies per day you'd feel like shit and be tired all the time, but you'd still lose weight

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:09:29 2022 No.18029846

>Hey guys, the warehouse is too full, we should make sure we don't order more product than we send out for a while
>Oh so I can just order elephants but as long as it's less it's fine?
>What? No, I didn–
>We're gonna need entirely different shelves to store elephants!
>Don't order eleph–
>Did you even think about what to do with the elephant's shit?

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:10:24 2022 No.18029849

>>18029655
if the food that you eat causes your metabolism to slow down then it's not CICO, also if the food you that eat causes your body to signal fat storage more than other foods then it's not CICO

red herrings and ad hominem make you seem pathological

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:11:21 2022 No.18029853

>>18029819
no, insulin has a higher response to carbs, especially simple carbs, and the carbs are digested significantly more quickly. donuts will spike your insulin, salmon wouldn't

then you take into account that insulin is antagonistic to HGH and testosterone

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:12:47 2022 No.18029862 >>18029772 Do you think one calorie can be bigger or smaller than another calorie? You're either delusional or grossly uneducated.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:12:56 2022 No.18029863

>>18029772
the point is retarded.

a calorie is a calorie means exactly what it is.

this statement has nothing to do with the health impacts, the satiety and its effects on hormones in the body.

yes you will lose weight easier on high veggie no carb diet, but if you can stand the hunger and sense of illness you can lose just as much weight on mcdonals.
as long as you eat the same amount of calories

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:13:56 2022 No.18029867 >>18029812 did you know these guy actually have very little inner bodyfat? sumo wrestlers are pretty healthy and dont get diabetes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:22:54 2022 No.18029895 >>18029812 Well fuck you aren't wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:24:21 2022 No.18029902 >>18029867 Yeah, I like sumo wrestling and I know they're pretty damn fit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:32:27 2022 No.18029920 File: 52 KB, 600x900, Yessirreee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029478 Because we fucking can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 21:50:28 2022 No.18029969 File: 275 KB, 1500x1130, 1654430188176.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029547

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:02:36 2022 No.18030021
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>>18029602
You do not understand that a dietary calorie is not the same
Dietary calories were calculated not by burning food as you might imagine but rather by having people eat measured amounts then measuring what was left in their stool
No joke
Google that shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:13:59 2022 No.18030070 To every wannabe autist in this thread, I understand that you want to sound smart, even though you fully understand what is meant. But why is there no outrage about the use of "calories" when it should clearly be kilocalories in this example?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:29:21 2022 No.18030144 >>18029653 If I have a boatload of apples and you have two boatloads of pears, then what is the answer the last Sunday's three across in the Times?

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:40:23 2022 No.18030186

>>18030070
Just an easy term, I guess? 5 syllabi vs 3, obviously everybody starts calling calorie.
That said though, if you truly want to be an adequate autist, you have to be questioning why the whole health, science and other related industries still insist using kcal and call calorie while obviously for science's sake we should be using joule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:48:59 2022 No.18030215 >>18029849 So would it be possible to eat 1000 calories of junk food per day and not lose weight? I dont understand what the claim is here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:50:28 2022 No.18030223 File: 33 KB, 502x380, 1480719771485.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No one on /ck/ can disprove this man. NO ONE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 22:59:53 2022 No.18030267 >>18030223 >Adipotide >an experimental proapoptotic drug that has been shown to cause rapid weight loss in mice and rhesus monkeys >As of 2019, clinical development has been discontinued >but you can buy this at random websites This is horrifying.

Imam Hiroshima Nagasaki Sat Jun 25 23:00:25 2022 No.18030269 [DELETED]

I'm so sick and tired of fatties and all their apologists stuck in their orbits. I hate them all so much its unreal and I wish all fatties would die of lead poisoning. The simple truth is that fatties are an outward expression of their inner values of gluttony, pride, selfishness, lack of self control, inability to self regulate or take personal responsibility and accountability. I can't respect fatties and I don't see them as people. "Body positivity" is a disgraceful disease of modernity that reinforces and encourages these animals. I declare Jihad on fatties and body positivity pushers.

The next simple truth is that CICO is real, and fatties are NOT breaking the laws of thermodynamics despite their excuses - muh big bones, muh thyroid. Further, it is true that a calorie isn't a calorie. A calorie is a unit of measurement of energy. All particles have different stores of energy. Macronutrients (proteins, fats and carbohydrates) and micronutrients all have different stores of energy and thus different calorie values. "A calorie isn't a calorie" is simply saying that 500 calories derived from a nutritionally superior meal like chicken, broccoli and rice, is far better for health, wellbeing and the body than 500 calories derived from a McDonalds cheeseburger. And it's because of the constituent macro and micro nutrients that make up that 500 calories.

Denial of these facts is fatty cope and I call upon the Faithful Mujahideen to behead all those who deny this truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:02:44 2022 No.18030281 File: 155 KB, 512x1573, 1618075950060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18030269 Yeah body positivity is a scam. Bring back body shaming.

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:09:00 2022 No.18030300

>>18030215
it depends on exactly what you're eating, and what your body dimensions are, like your BMR and any physical activity you engage in

if all these factors are equal between 2 people(twins) and both have a maintenance diet estimated at 2k calories, for example if you feed one person 2k calories of potato chips and the other person 2k calories of grass fed beef, there will be 2 different outcomes

a person eating nothing but potato chips will have to have a lower maintenance caloric intake than the person eating nothing but beef to have equal outcomes

depending on how much you weigh and depending on what you eat, 1 thousand calories of junk food will have different outcomes on your metabolism vs 1 thousand calories of meat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:10:02 2022 No.18030304 >>18030300 That's a lot of words when a Yes or No was needed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:16:41 2022 No.18030318 File: 131 KB, 667x740, 51D06A16-43D1-4540-9370-20B44AEAD81E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029478 >speakman

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:20:16 2022 No.18030331 File: 486 KB, 1170x1343, CC244171-FDC3-49DF-9924-46CC0F2B1AC0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18030223 >yudkowsy >"just medicate yourself, goy" >"i will delete any comments suggesting diet and exercise"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:22:24 2022 No.18030339 >>18030304 you get the right answer, not what is convenient

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:24:19 2022 No.18030346 >>18029867 yeah all of those splotches all over his skin are indicators of good health

Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:34:44 2022 No.18030388

>>18030346
exactly, it's such double think when they say sumo don't suffer from obesity, when in reality when they retire they drastically change their diet to lose the weight in fear of suffering diabetes and cardiovascular disease, and all sumo have an average lifespan 20 years shorter than other japanese males

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:49:56 2022 No.18030446 >>18029969 such a disingenuous image. to think you'd post this and think it's an epic gotcha is so funny. rightoids are infinitely brain dead

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:50:36 2022 No.18030447 >>18030446 2+2=4

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:51:10 2022 No.18030450 >>18029620 You're almost there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 25 23:57:15 2022 No.18030462 >>18029655 Coco only applies to losing weight, not health

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:00:47 2022 No.18030473 >>18030446 men aren't women

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:09:15 2022 No.18030494 >>18030446 children cannot consent

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:13:37 2022 No.18030504

>>18029849
>>18030300
>causes your metabolism to slow down
>causes your body to signal fat storage more than other foods
Doesn't happen. Pure fatty cope. A calorie is not a calorie because some foods are more healthful and satiating than others for the same caloric intake so can prevent cravings, overeating, and low energy. That's all there is to it. The effects are fully behavioural.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:15:45 2022 No.18030511 >>18029835 you would lose more fat if you were to eat 1500 calories of protein/fat you would actually lose more overall weight eating a carb only deficit

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:18:49 2022 No.18030518

>>18029835
>Obviously if you ate 1500 calories of cookies per day you'd feel like shit and be tired all the time
this is because your metabolism is decreased and most of the energy you're getting from the food is going to fat storage, if you're losing any weight it's from muscle and bone density, skinny fat is still fat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:34:26 2022 No.18030572 CICO doesnct account for changes in metabolism due to changes in long term calorie intake. Hence why 95% CICO focused diets fail. Intermittent fasting and low carb refeeds are the way

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:34:40 2022 No.18030573 >>18030504 and hormonal

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:36:36 2022 No.18030579 >>18030572 >retards indirectly following CICO without even knowing it this will never not be funny

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:36:47 2022 No.18030580 >>18030223 Is he still running that tech cult of his?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:39:12 2022 No.18030590 >>18030579 Your body is getting calories from using your fat storage. What do you think it's breaking the laws of thermofaggotry?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:42:41 2022 No.18030599 >>18030590 Right, that's literally CICO. You are limiting the CI part with IF so it comes from storage. Not so complicated is it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:44:03 2022 No.18030600 >>18030599 Cool fasting and keto are CICO approved and preferred

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:46:29 2022 No.18030610 >>18030572 >Hence why 95% CICO focused diets fail. Diets fail because people who have never experienced hardship have no capacity to endure hunger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:49:00 2022 No.18030615 >>18029478 why do twitterfags always get buttblasted when someone asks them to back their content up with some sauce?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:49:30 2022 No.18030617 >>18030599 intermittent fasting isn't actually fasting, you're still eating all your daily calories within an 8 hour window the fasting for 16 hours is to let insulin levels decrease

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 00:51:42 2022 No.18030626 >>18030572 why not just eat a healthy diet and do regular exercise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:11:34 2022 No.18030684 File: 883 KB, 3024x4032, 1545365649160.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What you eat matters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:17:28 2022 No.18030702 >>18030626 I do. Low carb on days I don't lift. Rest of the country seems to be bloatmaxxing as fat rates are not only still increasing but also the level of the increase is increasing (I refuse to use a faggy math term here)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:33:41 2022 No.18030767 >>18030572 >CICO focused diets fail. CICO isn't as diet you moron, it's the laws of thermodynamics. It's mind boggling that people hear about CICO and interpret it as eating nothing but junk food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:34:16 2022 No.18030769 File: 33 KB, 500x500, 1630960479170.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029620 Are you saying all things are not equally digestible? But all things can be weighed out to a gram...

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:37:42 2022 No.18030782

>>18030767
CICO is not the laws of thermodynamics, and it is also wrong. Its entirely possible to ingest food and not absorb it. It is also not good to tell fatties struggling with weight issues because they'll just keep ingesting corn syrup and empty carbs like a bunch of dumb fatty niggers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:38:36 2022 No.18030783 >>18030782 If you're not ingesting it it's no longer Calories In.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:39:27 2022 No.18030786 >>18029610 wellif you want to go down that route, one of those is actually a dinghy , while the other is a yacht, noat is just a catch all term, you may as well have just said a food is a food and posted a picture of a carrot and a chicken.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:40:02 2022 No.18030788 >>18030767 Google cico and tell me if the forst result is cico diet (maybe it's special just for me lol)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:41:03 2022 No.18030794 >>18030783 Not all calories are equal ;)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:42:08 2022 No.18030796 >>18030783 >put the calorie IN >it doesn't get digested >it goes out without being digested thus CICO is incorrect, Q.E.D.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:43:57 2022 No.18030802 >>18029506 There’s no such thing as a half calorie.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:45:35 2022 No.18030806

>>18030782
One calorie absorbed from a donut is the same as one calorie absorbed from a steak.

Someone absorbing 1000 calories a day (deficit) only from steak will lose weight, and they will also lose weight if they absorb 1000 calories a day from cake. However, the person eating the cake will feel sicker despite losing weight.

You can lose weight and be unhealthy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:46:59 2022 No.18030809 >>18030796 Calorie in means calories that have been digested. If I eat a 500 calorie drink and then throw it up 5 minutes later, it is no longer 500 calories in.

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Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:47:28 2022 No.18030811

A calorie is a calorie as far as energy goes, but it completely ignores every other system in the body. Sugar is probably the most harmful food you can over consume. Have someone eat a 2000 calorie diet of just donuts for a year and they will probably be losing a foot by the end of the year from the beetus after their insulin gets fucked up. All of these twitter keyboard nutritionists are retarded. You can make any argument sound logical if you ignore everything else

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:47:53 2022 No.18030813 >>18030806 the person eating the cake will lose muscle and bone density and increase fat tissue

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:49:52 2022 No.18030818

>>18030809
Yes but Thermodynamics is thermodynamics, and CICO is a meme told to fatties to troll them. They are not the same thing unless you're going to precisely measure your average metabolic rate somehow and then also juggle that with combusting your shit in a calorimeter to find out what % you actual digested (which varies more than you'd think).
Its easier and healther to just cut the sugars and goyslop and just eat protein/fat and fast.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:50:23 2022 No.18030820 >>18030813 The cake eater will not increase fat tissue eating 1000 calories a day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:50:52 2022 No.18030821 >>18030818 Did you visit from Less Wrong? If so you should go back.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:50:59 2022 No.18030823 >>18030813 They will lose both. They won’t get fatter eating a calorie deficit because it is a calorie deficit. You can lose weight , it’s fat and muscle, eating just cake. At the same time you will also probably feel like shit and die.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:51:07 2022 No.18030824 >>18029478 Einstein was against peer review.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:52:00 2022 No.18030825 >>18030818 Yeah I’m fat because of my genetics and my metabolism haha. :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:53:00 2022 No.18030828 >>18029478 >>18030824 The Bogdanoff brothers basically made an international mockery of peer review standards and showcased the flaws of rubber-stamp bureaucracy in science, but here we are still acting like the peer review process means anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:53:11 2022 No.18030830 >>18030824 Wasn’t because he got butturt about being wrong about the earth’s movement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:53:22 2022 No.18030832 >>18030825 You're fat because you guzzle corn syrup, fatty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:53:46 2022 No.18030833 >>18030806 Guess macronutrients don't matter at all lol. Someone should tell God

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:53:50 2022 No.18030834 >>18030820 they absolutely will, eventually their basal metabolic rate will adapt and decrease to a new maintenance level, they will feel like shit, mental focus will drop, immune health will decline, they will be slow as shit and still accumulate fat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:54:56 2022 No.18030839 >>18030823 you're ignoring metabolic function, losing weight does not mean you're not gaining fat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:55:42 2022 No.18030842 >>18030839 You're intentionally trying to obfuscate what the conversation is about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:56:05 2022 No.18030845 >>18030769 Yeah, I'm saying your metabolic system can't process a molten penny like it obviously can a donut or salmon so it's an absurd premise. Very straightforward, I'm glad you are keeping up.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:58:04 2022 No.18030853

>>18030839
You cannot gain fat on a diet of 1000 calories of cake a day.
>>18030833
Macronutrients matter. Being healthy is a good thing. Doesn’t change the reality that you can still lose weight (and die) on a pure sugar diet if you consume very little calories.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:58:49 2022 No.18030856

>>18030600
Yeah, that's pretty much where CICO comes into the picture. The reason people get positive results from these meme diets is that they make it a pain in the ass to consume calories above maintenance threshold. So when you think there is some magic fairy dust ketones losing you weight, it's really just CICO principle at work because you're probably getting 1600 calories with your meme diet (same for IF, carnivore, whatever other meme diet).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:59:49 2022 No.18030863 >>18030824 Einstein was jewish so

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 01:59:56 2022 No.18030864 >>18030853 if you're eating a 1000 calories of sugar and corn syrup and seed oil filled crap a day, your insulin hormone will be at prediabetic levels, you will absolutely still store fat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:01:20 2022 No.18030868 >>18030864 But you will lose weight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:01:25 2022 No.18030870 >yet another nutrition thread that has no sense of nuance Yawn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:01:25 2022 No.18030869 >>18030864 Nice momscience

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:01:54 2022 No.18030874 >>18030864 The body will be in a position to store tons of fat, if the energy was available. But it wouldn’t be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:02:15 2022 No.18030875 >>18030868 No one on earth asked to lose bone density and muscle mass. Once again, CICO is just to troll fatties and midwits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:02:38 2022 No.18030880 >>18030870 >nutrition thread Where? This is a religion debate thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:02:40 2022 No.18030881 >>18030845 What happens if someone eats 1,000 calories worth of corn kernal skins?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:02:44 2022 No.18030882 >>18030875 But you will lose weight. Say the words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:03:39 2022 No.18030883 >>18030881 They will lose weight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:03:51 2022 No.18030885 >>18030881 They wouldn’t be able to. That much corn kernel skin would be too much to fit in a human stomach, since they contain minuscule calories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:05:00 2022 No.18030889 >>18030885 challenge accepted

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:05:47 2022 No.18030893

>>18030572
>CICO doesnct account for changes in metabolism due to changes in long term calorie intake
and what do you think those changes account to? thousand calorie a day discrepancy in your maintenance? or maybe more like 200? eat one less chocolate bar a day fatty, there difference made up.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:06:00 2022 No.18030895

Consume calories below maintenance threshold and engage in zone 2 cardio which oxidizes fatty acids and adipose fat and it is physically impossible to be fat. If you can name a set of parameters that negates this, you will be the foremost expert in metabolic function in history. CICO

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:06:08 2022 No.18030896 CICO is the base of dieting. It's not the base of nutrition. These two things are not the same. There, I said what the twitter retard was trying to say without being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:06:29 2022 No.18030897 >>18030863 What does his religion have to do with anything

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:07:01 2022 No.18030900 >>18030897 It's not his religion it's his destiny

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:07:52 2022 No.18030902 >>18030882 I get normalfags are retarded nigger that refuse to learn semantics, but I can assure you that when they say that they want to lose "weight", they mean they want to lose their "fat".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:07:59 2022 No.18030904 >>18030864 where is the energy coming from? does your body suddenly need less energy because it detects you're eating mcdonalds?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:08:02 2022 No.18030905 >>18030896 A distinction without a difference. You are the retard after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:08:26 2022 No.18030908 >>18030902 I don't give a shit. Say it, say "CICO leads to weight loss".

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:08:47 2022 No.18030909
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>>18029862
No. I am delusional but not uneducated. But that is irrelevant.
>>18029863
Stop being willfully stupid, that moron meant what is in a calorie not what a calorie is. As I asked, is there word for dragging this sort of thing out?

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:09:33 2022 No.18030914

>>18030893
The people who refuse to believe in cico are the people who can't believe they have to stop eating garbage to lose fat. They will defend their cake and coke diet with the same canned response of some vague bullshit about their metabolism. They will never give exact examples of this or how it's even relevant day to day or how to even measure it daily.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:10:17 2022 No.18030919 File: 48 KB, 300x290, 1568365758754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18030908 No. Don't be such an autistic little sperg because you lost an internet debate lol

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:11:21 2022 No.18030922

>>18030905
>Nutrition is the biochemical and physiological process by which an organism uses food to support its life. It includes ingestion, absorption, assimilation, biosynthesis, catabolism and excretion. The science that studies the physiological process of nutrition is called nutritional science.
Vs.
>Eating less calories than you burn makes you lose weight, equal makes you stay the same, more makes you gain weight
No distinction huh retard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:12:31 2022 No.18030927 >>18030904 Your body just uses less energy (lowers your netabolism) which leads to you feeling like shit so you want to eat more haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:13:30 2022 No.18030931 >>18030889 As a vorefag, hot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:14:25 2022 No.18030937 >>18030927 So your body will prioritize fat storage over burning for energy when it's literally receiving starvation-levels of food? hmmmm

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:15:25 2022 No.18030940

>>18030904
the energy to build the fat is coming from the cake, it's not going to your brain or muscles or organs and that's why you begin to feel like shit, you're dying despite still eating because your metabolism is both decreased and hindered by excess fat storage hormones

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:16:08 2022 No.18030944 >a calorie is not a calorie A calorie is 100% a calorie, a donut is just more devoid of nutrients (barely) than salmon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:16:31 2022 No.18030946 >>18030937 if you diet consists of nothing but a 1k calories of cake a day, yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:17:47 2022 No.18030948 >>18030944 We know this, there's just some faggot who for some reason keeps trying to argue that "CICO doesn't actually work because it's not healthy".

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:18:14 2022 No.18030952

>>18030937
Yeah it's called insulin resistance. Why do you think those fats are always hungry? It's almost as if not all calories are treated the same in your body haha. A prediabetic doing a CICO cut is goi to have wildly different results if said cut is all mostly carbs versus keto

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:20:06 2022 No.18030958 >>18030946 I have been fasting 24-28 hours minimum for the past two weeks and refeeding on nothing but fast food and sweets. I can tell you right now, you're not just wrong, you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:23:31 2022 No.18030975 >>18030958 >2 weeks amazing study

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:23:54 2022 No.18030977 >>18030946 damn they shoulda given the jews cake in auschwitz then, we never even would've known they were starving >>18030975 >your ass amazing study

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:24:59 2022 No.18030980 >>18030977 all those starving jews and not a single six pack in sight, just lots of grisly flesh

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:25:01 2022 No.18030981 >>18029478 neither of them are boomers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:25:06 2022 No.18030982 >>18030975 Yeah if he just kept eating sweets and fast food on a calorie deficit he would get really fat eventually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:28:21 2022 No.18031001 but steel is heavier than feathers

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:32:32 2022 No.18031018

this conversation also lends to the problem of calorie deficit diets, it's unwise to reduce calories on a daily basis as this will lower metabolic rate and reduce weight loss, increase fatigue and increase cravings. it's better to fast for whole days instead of reducing daily caloric intake

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:36:28 2022 No.18031040 >>18030902 Then they should eat at a caloric deficit and do low intensity steady state (zone 2) cardio which oxidizes fatty acids and adipose tissue. These are basic metabolic principles that predate keto or similar meme diets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:39:42 2022 No.18031053 >>18030982 Source: I made it up. Anyway don't worry ketard, I have somewhere to be this week, but I won't keep eating that daily.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:41:02 2022 No.18031054 >>18031040 you can lose excess fat by just eating keto or carnivore at your proper BMI maintenance calories without exercise

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:42:09 2022 No.18031059
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>>18031040
Humans are not metabolically or mechanically geared to process high plant based diets. We do not have long intestines like plant eaters, we do not have multiple stomachs like plant eaters, and we cannot ferment and digest most of the plant material we eat like plant eaters do. Stop calling the natural human diet "keto".
And fatties are never going to outrun their diet. It is a terrible suggestion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 02:43:04 2022 No.18031066 YOU CAN'T JUST PROVE THAT EATING SUGAR AND CHEMICALLY ALTERED FATS IS BAD FOR ME NOOOO

>>	Imam Hiroshima Nagasaki Sun Jun 26 02:52:08 2022 No.18031094 >>18030610 Based. Death to America. I declare Jihad on the young generations and call on the Mujahideen to behead all those who cry in the months and years to come. It would be a mercy.

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Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:06:29 2022 No.18031126

>>18029506
Yes, you're right that literally one calorie = one calorie regardless of where you get it from.
But his phrase is referring to a calorie that comes with nutrition(salmon), vs a calorie that's empty(donut)
I guess it would have been more aptly said "A calorie isn't just a calorie"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:10:53 2022 No.18031140 >>18031053 I think that was sarcasm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:15:35 2022 No.18031159 >>18029478 >peer reviewed WHOSE PEERS NIGGER? YOURS OR MINE

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:24:21 2022 No.18031201

>>18031059
>natural human diet
>keto
Lmao

Early man was a scavenger. Hunting wasn't in the cards until Homo Erectus. Meat consumption was obviously limited, and almost all human populations have always eaten a ton of plants. Keto is NOWHERE close to the diet we "evolved to eat".

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:30:51 2022 No.18031222

>>18031201
Humans are homo sapiens. Don't bring homo anything else into it. We killed our rivals and fucked their women if they were pretty. Our most successful genetic expression is found in regions where hunting was the best available source of calories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:32:30 2022 No.18031229 >>18031201 >early man our ancestors were hunting other animals for meat over 2.6 million years ago, basically still apes long before erectus

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:33:30 2022 No.18031234 >>18031159 Ayo, teach! I gots mah paper peep-reviewed by DeShawnairus and Marvin over dere, so you can suck it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:38:59 2022 No.18031253 >>18031059 I don't think we're meant to be vegan but we can get a good amount of energy from fruit, cooked starches, nuts, etc. Just not cellulose like herbivores that eat grass/leaves.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:52:02 2022 No.18031289 >>18029478 Neither of the people in this picture are boomers. Why are stupid zoomers like this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:54:15 2022 No.18031294 >>18031126 There is no such thing as an empty calorie and you're an idiot for perpetuating the myth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:55:27 2022 No.18031299 >>18031294 Yeah they're not empty but actively harmful

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 03:55:30 2022 No.18031300

>>18029478
Boomers are stupid because they grew up in a society where success required no real effort. They think their success required effort, because what they did made them successful so how wasn't that effort? Just like always. Civilizations collapse every ten generations like clockwork. Almost like there was external engineering. Weird.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:00:48 2022 No.18031312 >>18030919 The absolute ironing. Retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:13:27 2022 No.18031370 >>18031294 >i'm autistic and i take every word literally by the base definition

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:16:02 2022 No.18031381 >>18031370 Everyone knows the term "empty calorie" is just meaningless bro science nonsense.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:17:41 2022 No.18031389

>>18031201
Ketards and raw primal bullshit is American middle class rootless bullshit designed to sell self improvement blogs. Their only connection to the land in terms of scavenging comes from literal 50's pop culture understandings of cave men. It's a diet based on cartoon conceptions of prehistory.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:39:33 2022 No.18031442 >>18031381 Ok buddy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:40:42 2022 No.18031445 >>18029867 Because they work out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:42:43 2022 No.18031455 >>18030223 Just stop eating, fatarse

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:46:54 2022 No.18031461

>>18030684
My favourite sociology word is ‘socio-economic factors’. It’s a magic wand to dismiss any criticism or contrary evidence, whilst offering nothing concrete in return. All ‘socio-economic factors’ arguments boil down to “we can’t prove it, but trust us anyway”

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:47:44 2022 No.18031465 >>18029506 >can't understand figurative speaking autists live in a completely different world

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 04:51:14 2022 No.18031471 >>18031389 >three sentences to say the same thing You’re not as intelligent or witty as you think you are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:05:35 2022 No.18031502 >>18031461 Sounds like it really means shit you don't understand. No surprise you resist it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:16:15 2022 No.18031533 >>18031502 >still can’t back it up Lel

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:24:47 2022 No.18031551

CICO is invented by coca cola as an advertising scheme to allow people to fit in sodas into their diets while keeping healthy because a calorie is a calorie so even if you drink a can of soda you arent damaging your health at all.

A calorie isnt a calorie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:25:51 2022 No.18031556 >>18029519 I like how no one evem touched this obvious bait

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:28:32 2022 No.18031566 >>18031551 >muh KKKorporashuns! Opinion discarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:41:03 2022 No.18031601 >>18029478 wait so if i eat a donut and a salmon do they cancel out?

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:53:49 2022 No.18031626

>>18031551
CICO and "a calorie is a calorie" are not identical concepts.
CICO is focused solely on thermodynamics and conservation of energy. A body may digest sugar differently from meat, but that is part of the CICO equation. It's useless beyond telling fatties that no, they aren't eating 800 cals/day and still gaining weight like they claim.
Saying a calorie is a calorie is false because the body reacts differently based on the chemical structure of the macronutrients involved. for example your body will expend around 5-10% of a carbohydrate's energy in order to digest it, while digesting protein requires an energy investment closer to 25%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524030/
There are other factors such as glycemic index which make simple carbohydrates, like those found in soda, undesirable as the main source of calories.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 05:59:09 2022 No.18031637

>>18029602
A gram is a gram, yes.

A gram of fat and a gram of carbs have a different amount of calories, at this point you're comparing a gram to a pound, which are not equivalent.

Your "burning" analogy is retarded, as that's not what calories are either. You're arguing a false equivalency. Your body is going to convert a calorie into a set amount of energy, regardless of how that calorie originated. >>18029478

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 06:37:28 2022 No.18031722
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>>18031294
It very clearly refers to the type of macro nutrients tied to that calorie.
Alcohol is often called "empty calories", see this sheet for the nutritional facts of beer as example.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 06:57:42 2022 No.18031773

I was overweight, and gained some sympathy for fatties, since it's painful to eat less.
But then I just sucked it up and it really wasn't that fucking hard. I just ate a little less and cut out some sugars and that was it.
It really is that simple but people act like its death to eat one less donut

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 07:23:45 2022 No.18031857

>>18030813
>>18030834
More fatty cope.
>if you eat below maintenance your body will MAGICALLY lower its metabolism and survive entirely off muscle breakdown while leaving fat stores wholly untouched
Imagine believing this. No, the reason the "calories out" part goes down is you feel like shit so you end up moving around less in your day-to-day life. Even then it's a difference of 100 calories at most unless you're a several hundreds pound gigafatty. There is no such thing as metabolic adaptation unless you are literally starving for months while being afflicted with typhus. You will lose fat, and muscle as well if you don't exercise, no matter what you eat. Cramming your face with bacon and eggs won't magically spare your muscles or make you burn more calories while lying on a fucking couch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 07:26:17 2022 No.18031863 >>18029478 >Presume He should have said 'assume' in that context

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 07:26:20 2022 No.18031864 >>18029478 that was Phil Margera's line of thinking. "this one pound potato, it's the same as eating one pound of cake" my grandpa apparently ordered Diet Coke when out so he could eat french fries.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 07:28:04 2022 No.18031870 File: 9 KB, 572x693, 1646295893718.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029478 >passive aggressive requests for peer-reviewed sources

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:00:09 2022 No.18032356
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>>18030572
>Hence why 95% CICO focused diets fail.
I think people being utter shit at figuring out how much they're actually eating is somewhat more likely than vast undiscovered metabolism differences.
>underreported their actual food intake by an average of 47%
>literally eating twice as much as they said they were

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:09:28 2022 No.18032375
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>>18029737
>I don't know why people feel the need to "disprove" CICO by coming up with retarded counter examples like "HUR, what if you eat nothing but Twinkies." Of course, you're going to feel like shit. No one advocates for that.
Actually that is literally word for word the argument made by an actual soda industry paid shill a few years ago, and the CICOtards lapped it right up

What he failed to mention was that his "twinkie diet" was actually a diet of fresh vegetables, protein shakes, and twinkies, but hey it's not like facts ever mattered right? Calories in calories out, why do you hate science?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:09:41 2022 No.18032377 >>18031626 Energy losses to digestion and excretion are literally built in to the calorie estimates on food labelling.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:27:35 2022 No.18032407
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>>18029577
>if you misinterpreted the use of a measurement to mean that everything measured is equal in every way, that's on you
Misinterpreted? Calorie believers have been denying biology for almost a century. They explicitly claim that the measurement (calorie) is more important than the substance being measured.

It's like saying 1g of gold is the same as 1g of silver. A total lie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:35:18 2022 No.18032422 A calorie is a thermodynamic unit of heat energy, and, last I checked, people are not steam turbine-powered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 12:54:13 2022 No.18032461 >>18032407 >The pleasureful flavour What the fuck kind of phrase is that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 13:13:56 2022 No.18032502 >>18029624 lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 13:17:51 2022 No.18032514 >>18029653 calorie isn't a measurement of size either, retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 13:47:34 2022 No.18032576 >>18031637 You dumbass. Why are you saying this like it's something you know anything about?

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:53:38 2022 No.18033186

>>18029478
>400 cal donut
>content: carbohydrate, oil, sugar
>400 cal salmon
>content: protein, essential amino acids, trace vitamins, healthy omega fat.

I mean they'll both count as 400 cal so you should count them the same, however one will provide actual nutrition, maintain muscle and brain health, and promote healthy gut flora.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:55:55 2022 No.18033196 >>18029506 He's right in the sense that it's better to get your calories with nutritious foods than junk food even if it's the same amount of calories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:02:21 2022 No.18033222 >>18033196 no, that's a completely different thing. calories have nothing to do with nutrition at all. the calorie is what it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:42:11 2022 No.18033341 >>18033222 Yes, the calorie is a measure of how much energy your body derives (roughly) from food. What we're saying is that you should eat food with valuable nutrients instead of "empty" calories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:43:48 2022 No.18033348 >>18033341 Maybe you should stop using shitty bro science terms like empty calorie and say what you mean like an adult.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:45:13 2022 No.18033351 >>18033341 no, what that is what I am saying. what you are saying is "thing" is not "thing"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:46:35 2022 No.18033356 The bomb calorimeter and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:47:03 2022 No.18033360 >>18032407 that poster is like from a post apocalyptic dystopian scifi novel, where all reason is absent. what the fuck is that

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:47:33 2022 No.18033361

>>18033348
>nutrients are bro-science
kill yourself fast food marketer.
>>18033351
>what that is what
calm down before you type your dumb reply to me. A calorie is a calorie, but if your food is not also nutritious then you should take that into account.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:48:23 2022 No.18033364 >>18030144 San

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:50:40 2022 No.18033380 >>18033360 Clown world is older than every person alive today. Remember that.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:51:43 2022 No.18033387

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6721602/

Dumb fucking niggers don't even know that your body can literally waste calories when conditions are right. Glucose is burned extremely efficiently, while fat is burned inefficiently. Thus spending more time with your body in a fat-burning state can cause you to burn more calories for LITERALLY nothing. You literally just waste calories, sort of like sitting revving a car engine; you're not going anywhere but you're still burning lots of fuel.

The trouble with CICO is the assumption that you know your total caloric outgoings. You do not. Your body is capable of both lowering and raising expenditure based on the sort of food you're eating and how often you're eating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:53:27 2022 No.18033394 >>18033387 How does metabolism changing negate CICO? It's not like you're calories out is going to change by hundreds every single day outside of strenuous exercise. Your argument basically boils down to "You can't know exactly so it doesn't work".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:55:49 2022 No.18033409 "Did I fugg up"

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:02:02 2022 No.18033433

>>18033394
>It's not like you're calories out is going to change by hundreds every single day

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-metabolism#for-weight-loss

Intermittent fasting can raise your metabolism by up to 14%, which if we assume an average TDEE of 2500 would be 350 extra calories per day.

I'm not arguing against the laws of thermodynamics; I'm arguing that the human body is more complex than a bomb calorimeter.

Another thing you must absolutely understand is that if there is insulin in your system, you CANNOT access body fat due to insulin inhibiting the production of hormone sensitive lipase. This then causes their body to reach their energy needs by either 1) metabolising other tissue, or 2) lowering TDEE by cutting other functions, such as lower brain activity, producing less body heat, or not maintaining itself properly. Please research insulin resistance as it's probably the most important thing to understand when it comes to why fatties are so fat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:05:25 2022 No.18033447 replies to this topic explain why so many of you fucks are disgusting landwhales

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:09:59 2022 No.18033463 every single person that disagrees with cico is fat

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:10:56 2022 No.18033470

>>18033447
I'm the poster above you and am eating two salmon fillets and some assorted non-starchy vegetables with a cup of unsweetened black coffee after recently getting back from the gym. I've posted sources for my views. Note the dates on them. This is recent research. As in, new stuff. Maybe you should read the new research instead of believing that Ancel Keyes was right 50 years ago despite Time Magazine itself basically calling his bullshit out 40 years after they first pushed his idea that fat and cholesterol were the enemy.

https://time.com/magazine/us/2863200/june-23rd-2014-vol-183-no-24-u-s/

>>18033463
If you ignore the evidence that contradicts you, you're always right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:12:48 2022 No.18033478 Lot of really stupid people in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:14:12 2022 No.18033485 >>18033470 >This is recent research. As in, new stuff. any science post 2015 (being extremely generous here) is bunk

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:22:15 2022 No.18033522

>>18033485
Or you could just read it yourself and make your own mind up instead of being closed minded. Current dietary guidelines and advice are treated like dogma whereby if they don't seem to be working it must be the individual's fault, not the advice and guidelines.

I can't imagine what it's like not being open to the possibility of being wrong. 50 years of what's considered conventional wisdom hasn't stemmed the flow of obesity and diabetes. Perhaps it's time to re-evaluate whether conventional wisdom is actually correct in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:23:37 2022 No.18033525 >>18029478 just eat whatever makes you happy :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:25:37 2022 No.18033530 >>18033522 I fucking love science

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:26:29 2022 No.18033534 >>18033530 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:28:21 2022 No.18033541 >>18033534 I fucking love wikipedia

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:28:55 2022 No.18033544 >>18033541 I accept your clear concession. Goodbye.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:29:21 2022 No.18033546 >>18033544 wait come back bud write out another long post about your theories about dieting

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 20:06:59 2022 No.18033646

>>18030021
>Dietary calories were calculated not by burning food as you might imagine but rather by having people eat measured amounts then measuring what was left in their stool
Thats stupid not everyone can digest the same things with the same efficiency .For example north european and a mongol can digest way more milk than a chinese.Also mixing foods could lead to easier/harder digestability.Finaly even if the same size absorbed you dont know in ehat way was it absorbed or how much energy was vasted absorbing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 20:44:43 2022 No.18033759 >>18033360 All those old ads are like that, marketing used to be insanely straight forward and blatant. I'm not sure if it's better or worse than the shit we get now.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 20:47:46 2022 No.18033766

>>18033433
>I'm arguing that the human body is more complex than a bomb calorimeter.
This is a hill I'm going to die on apparently, but calorie counts are not naively based on bomb calorimeters. They're based on a huge amount of direct research on people eating different diets, doing different amounts of activity, and having every breath and piss measured to work out the losses.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:00:17 2022 No.18033795 >>18029867 They don't get diabetes because their blood sugar doesn't spike. Likewise they have low cardiac fat. However they tend to run into issues with their joints more frequently and once they stop training their heart heath declines steeply.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:03:23 2022 No.18033812

>>18033433
>Please research insulin resistance as it's probably the most important thing to understand when it comes to why fatties are so fat.
Imagine being this delusional. The most important thing to understand when it comes to why fatties are so fat is how much fucking food they're eating. It doesn't fucking matter whether your TDEE is 2500 or 2850 when you're consistently consuming 3k+ average every single day.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:18:00 2022 No.18033868

>>18033812
I somewhat agree with what he was saying.
Insulin resistance, along with the plasticine nature of the stomach, plays a large role in creating obesity.
That being said, There's no excuse for being fat if you're aware of this.

Eat filling, low GI foods, fast regularly to decrease the capacity of your stomach, hey regular cardiovascular exercise and wa la: You're now thin. If you're fat and you're hungry, that means that it's either time for a properly portioned nutritious meal, or, more likely, it's ime for you to suffer through your well-deserved hunger pangs.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:32:29 2022 No.18033916

>>18033812
>It doesn't fucking matter whether your TDEE is 2500 or 2850 when you're consistently consuming 3k+ average every single day.
Wow you just got so mad that you accidentally argued TDEE is irrelevant. Also if you're practising any form of fasting at all while eating the things you should be, you won't be getting 3k+ calories a day anyway. I don't know what you think my point is.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:39:52 2022 No.18033946

>>18033916
>>18033812
It's also really about raising the BMR.
The more skeletal muscle you have, the more calories your body burns in an attempt to "feed" that muscle mass.

If your BMR is 1800. and your TDEE is 2400, You can safely eat 2500 - 2600 cal/day for several months if not years before gaining a few lbs.

The general concensus is that you begin to lose muscle around 6-12 months of disuse (unless you're immobilized or something, in which case you're not using those muscles whatsoever.)

So yeah, gain muscle + regular cardio + CICO + HEALTHY food to meet your TDEE or above and you're fine. The issue is that these measurements aren't perfect, not to mention the capacity people have for self-deception.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:43:06 2022 No.18033959 File: 60 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029506 I dun get it

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:52:51 2022 No.18033993

>b-but you will lose weight

No. You won't. Nobody gives a fuck if you are "theoretically correct" when there is 0 practical application of your "advice", you retarded nigger faggots.

Someone eating 3 donuts a day for a total of 1200 calories is not going to keep eating 3 donuts a day because THEY WILL FUCKING CRAVE MORE SUGAR AND START OVEREATING. Your autistic over-analysis of basic fucking human drives completely misses the point.

I hate rationalists so much it's unreal. Blow their brains out. Every single one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:55:30 2022 No.18034003 >>18033993 >It won't work because... WELL IT JUST WON'T OK!!!

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:55:55 2022 No.18034008
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>>18033946
>If your BMR is 1800. and your TDEE is 2400, You can safely eat 2500 - 2600 cal/day for several months if not years before gaining a few lbs.
What if your entire caloric intake was chocolate and processed food?

>HEALTHY food
I feel like this is sorta the crux of the debate between CICO and hormones for weight loss. I believe it's possible to lose weight without caring about caloric intake if your hormones are in check. Eating "HEALTHY food" would cause your hormones to be in check, so to me that's the reason you're losing weight, not the lower caloric intake.

Fatties have absolutely disgraceful hormones, so to me that's the reason they can't lose weight. Them eating properly would just correct their hormones and cause their weight to drop. The human body is really good at wasting calories when it has to.

It's not a secret that insulin resistance means more insulin your system at all times in the worst cases, and insulin inhibits hormone sensitive lipase which is essential for fat mobilisation. How can someone possibly lose bodyfat when even a small meal makes them unable to access their bodyfat for half a day?

Picrel is a test where someone in a fasted state (see: just woke up) is given a drink with 100g of glucose in, then their blood insulin level is monitor for a few hours. Just look at that red line. Their fasted insulin level is almost as high as when a healthy person gets a huge spike! How can someone like that just "do CICO" and expect to lose weight? Remember, insulin inhibits hormone sensitive lipase thus inhibits fat mobilisation. It just doesn't make sense and it's unfair to blame them for your incorrect advice not working.

Instead address their weight via correcting the fucked up hormone, insulin. Tell them to fast as much as possible and avoid the macronutrient that causes insulin spikes (see: carbs) until their insulin resistance comes back down to a more normal level, THEN start giving a fuck about exercise and CICO.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:58:34 2022 No.18034022

>>18029678
Whether you eat healthy or not, when you do CICO you will struggle the same because you will feel hungry if you are eating less than what you usually eat. Some people say that either carb or protein are more filling and last longer and it really depends on your body or even your mood or how distracted you are.
Ive used CICO to lose weight multiple times because I ballooned up while working office jobs and I lost weight. I also did keto diet when on CICO it was just as successful as when I had normal diet.
At the end of the day its all about determination and self-control, which is what most people are lacking in.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:18:27 2022 No.18034091

>>18034008
>What if your entire caloric intake was chocolate and processed food?
if it's below your TDEE you would almost certainly lose weight.

>HEALTHY food
everyone should strive to eat healthily.

>I feel like this is sorta the crux of intake if your hormones are in check.
Hormones are only one part of a much bigger picture, but generally I think we agree on this.

>Fatties have absolutely disgraceful hormone(s) (hormone profile)
Not all, but yes this is given.

>The human body is really good at
wasting calories when it has to.
"wasting calories?" I would love to know specifically which mechanism of action you're referring to here.

>It's not a secret that insulin resistance means more insulin your system at all times in the worst cases, and insulin inhibits hormone sensitive lipase which is essential for fat mobilisation. How can someone possibly lose bodyfat when even a small meal makes them unable to access their bodyfat for half a day?
>this is a myth. Autophogy can very well occur between meals on any diet plan. However, Glucose rich and carbohydrate rich diets do diminish your body's "readiness" to begin the fat burning process so to speak.
>just "do CICO" and expect to lose weight?
For the most part yes. CICO is the primary factor in regulating the body's ability to utilize autophagy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:20:48 2022 No.18034098 >>18034091 Apologies for the subpar formatting. The majority of my calories for the day have been derived from ethyl alcohol. Happy Sunday.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:45:06 2022 No.18034198

>>18034091
>"wasting calories?" I would love to know specifically which mechanism of action you're referring to here.
It's known that short bursts of fasting can increase caloric expenditure by up to 14%. That's 14% more calories being burned despite activity levels remaining the same. Literally zero people factor this in when they go to some shitty website to calculate their TDEE, yet a 2500/day person burning an extra 350 for free sounds like a REALLY big deal to me. To me this is calories being "wasted". I'm in no doubt that the body can burn more calories than you think it is through a bunch of mechanisms. Your brain uses around 25% of your daily calories. People who fast say that after a while they feel more alert, as if their brain is on overdrive. Is this your brain "wasting" calories by burning a bunch more than you think it is?

Again, I'm not arguing against thermodynamics, I just think the human body is capable of doing things with calories that people don't realise or factor into their TDEE calculations.

>However, Glucose rich and carbohydrate rich diets do diminish your body's "readiness" to begin the fat burning process so to speak.
This is literally what I said before. Insulin inhibits hormone sensitive lipase which inhibits fat mobilisation. Glucose/carb rich foods create the biggest insulin spikes, thus "diminish your body's "readiness" to begin the fat burning process".

>CICO is the primary factor in regulating the body's ability to utilize autophagy.
I don't think autophagy is what you think it is. Autophagy is the process of your body cleaning out old and damaged cells by eating them, and triggering it has nothing to do with CICO and everything to do with fasting. Autophagy starts at around 24 hours of not eating and peaks at around 48, iirc.

https://www.healthline.com/health/autophagy

Fat mobilisation is not autophagy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:52:39 2022 No.18034227 >>18034091 >>18034098 >The majority of my calories for the day have been derived from ethyl alcohol. Backing this up. I rapidly lost nearly 40 pounds on a diet like this, getting 1400kcal from alcohol and only eating about 400kcal of food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:06:04 2022 No.18034285 >>18030021 actually you fuckint trump posting maga tard, FDA requires now that all calorie content is measured by literally exploding the food in a chamber what to even expect from a mouth breather like you

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:09:21 2022 No.18034298

>>18034227
Which also means you were malnourished.
>>18034198
Fasting certainly decreases your stomach volume and overtime decreases the release of ghrelin. People who feel "clear minded" when fasting are likely feeling the added nor-epiniephrine associated with food seeking behavior.
In this sense fasting can be a useful tool, but it does have limitations.

This is literally what I said before. Insulin inhibits hormone sensitive lipase which inhibits fat mobilisation. Glucose/carb rich foods create the biggest insulin spikes, thus "diminish your body's "readiness" to begin the fat burning process".
Agreed, but there are ways (in healthy populations) to reduce isulin sensitivity. The chart you posted earlier is a bit more tricky because insulin response in diabetics is very difficult to regulate.

>I don't think autophagy is what you think it is.
I should've been more careful with my words. Lypolysis is more accurate here.

mobilizing your existing fat stores for consumption is really as simple as recruiting your skeletal muscles (and to a certain extent your brain). It certainly helps to have no available glucose inbound.

I think we generally agree but our minor miscommunications (for which I will take responsibly) have muddied the water somewhat.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:36:53 2022 No.18034388

nothing makes me think the obesity crisis is manufactured like the endless conversations about calories. they tell you a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, while also saying diet soda makes you gain weight and eggs cause heart attacks. i don't understand why there isn't a straightforward logical conversation about nutrition. the saying "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" comes to mind. but i don't think anyone is that stupid, especially the medical professionals who engage in this endless sophistry.

'big food' and 'big pharma' make lots of money from pop-tarts and diabetes, that's undeniable. i am willing to take the next logical step into conspiratorial behavior.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:51:21 2022 No.18034443

>>18034388
and i should add, the main way this conspiracy functions is through lying by omission. one must produce evidence of their claims that will not exist. not because it's not true, but because it hasn't been observed in the way approved by global corporations. that is, the scientific method has been twisted by the peer review industry, where evidence must be produced that does not exist given that the studies necessary will not be funded, and even if one did manage, the papers would not be published for various dubious reasons. and so the grand game isn't about doing an experiment and producing results, it's about conforming to standard processes and current theory, thus making the results of any experiment done in this framework untrustworthy to say the least.

why isn't there conclusive evidence directly linking increased sugar consumption to type 2 diabetes, for example? because it doesn't behoove the medical or food industries to do so. the burden of proof is on the accuser. so by standing pat and doing nothing, the medical and food industries never have to address the claim, and they can continue to sell soda and insulin. by default the assumption is, "we can't know for sure, it would have to be studied. a study of a sufficient size and scope, done via approved methodology, and published in an approved publication, of course." why should they do anything when they can continue on in the false ignorance of not "knowing," in the twisted legalistic sense of that word?

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:51:35 2022 No.18034446

>>18034091
>CICO is the primary factor in regulating the body's ability to utilize autophagy
Autophagy happens when its inhibitors are gone (insulin and amino acids).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34251638
I guess that fits into CICO as long as it's no calories in lol. iirc amino acids do have calories but theyre low enough they get rounded down to zero on supplements? Anyway e higher your insulin resistance the longer the insulin stays around fucking autophagy from ramping up. My main problem with the CICO mindset is that it equates 2k calories split up across 15 meals across the day versus 1. Constantly pumping your insulin response and fucking autophagy.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:26:10 2022 No.18034564

>>18034446
Meal feeding times are often pseudo-sciece imo. Keeping a relatively consistent blood sugar level is generally healthy assuming all things are normal with the patient.
frequent chronic insulin spikes are what causes type 2 diabetes. Honestly if you're eating a balanced, low sugar diet with low GI carbs and lots of high quality and protein then feeding time/consistency is mostly not the problem.

Binge eating garbage or constantly eating high sugar/ high carb meals + dormancy + stress is the real killer.

It sounds simple, but a lot of people either don't know or subscribe to fad diets. These individuals end up with imbalances in nutrients, insulin sensitivity, and a loss of muscle mass that leads to poor health.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:28:29 2022 No.18034577 >>18034446 I guess what I'm trying to get across is that healthy individuals can change their insulin response if they make that effort. Sadly either they don't or they're not willing to make those lifestyle changes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:35:24 2022 No.18034605

>>18034564
> if you're eating a balanced, low sugar diet with low GI carbs and lots of high quality and protein then feeding time/consistency is mostly not the problem.
Agreed but what % of Americans do so and is the trend rate increasing or decreasing? Not to mention how many people are even hitting their protein macro targets...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:37:38 2022 No.18034623 >>18029478 >gargling sewage is bad for you >you got a peer-reviewed study for this? Why are boomers like this?

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:38:36 2022 No.18034630

>>18034564
Anyway pseudo-science or not autophagy is not an on or off process but can ramp up (think it peaks at 3-4 days fasted) and while mimor even across the course of a day there are goimg to be differences between an OMAD style diet or a snacking one all macros/calories being equal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:41:17 2022 No.18034637 >>18029650 found the fatso

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:43:28 2022 No.18034645 >>18029655 ketolards truly believe that 5000 calories of butter won't get you as fat as 5000 calories of molasses

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:46:32 2022 No.18034665 >>18029867 They die about 12 years earlier than other japs.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:55:40 2022 No.18034703

>>18034605
The general American population don't even know what a calorie is. Don't even get me started on "the general public."
>>18034630
OMAD is a meme for sedentary individuals whose real goal is calorie restriction. I have no knowledge of when lipolysis "peaks" but depending on your current free-glucose/glycogen/activity level. I'm of the belief that fasting is not as useful as some claim it to be. Especially because it often leads to a quick loss of water/gltcogen, and not spur lifestyle changes in the obese.

The ideal diet is a slow change centered around lifestyle change and an increase in physical activity. This applies to both losing weight and gaining muscle. The longer the period of time you spend adapting your diet to your goal the better. Incremental changes backed by a willingness to adhere to the regimen is all you'll ever need so long as you also understand basic nutrition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:03:19 2022 No.18034729 >>18034665 73 is still a very good age

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:10:02 2022 No.18034757 >>18034703 Nothing inherently sedentary about OMAD. In fact I would say it's better to eat all your calories before working out/manual labor. Much better than saving dinner as your big meal

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:16:51 2022 No.18034779

>>18034757
Perhaps, but as I mentioned earlier repeated insulin spikes increase your risk of type 2 diabetes.
If you're eating mostly fiber/protein/low GI carbs then you should be fine but spreading your (healthy) meals throughout the day + regular exercise is better for you long term IMO.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:27:23 2022 No.18034825

>>18034779
Are you a bot? Nothing I said had anything to do with insulin spikes nor is that a concern with OMAD. You bring up a point regular exercise as if my post didn't just mention it. Assuming the actual food is the same please give me a reason for your opinion why spreading the meals is better than eating it all before work or exercise (so probably in the morning). OMAD in case you don't know (for why else did you bring up insulin spike frequency which is something I previously brought up in regards to being a problem with CICO mindset diets) is ONE MEAL A DAY and eaten in less than an hour.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:09:22 2022 No.18034996

>>18034825
>nor is that a concern with OMAD
factually incorrect. A constant "peak and valley" effect on insulin levels is a proven link to metabolic sybdrome and type 2 diabetes.
You should strive to keep your insulin level from spiking by eating low gi foods. You should also be wary of the large spike after a fasted period (i.e. OMAD.)
If you're going to do OMAD, make sure the meal you consume is high in fiber and protein and low on high GI carbs.

I view OMAD as a tool for greater lifestyle changes, such as healthier eating, willingness to stick to a diet, and management of hunger related behaviors. I would not recommend OMAD as a long term diet strategy. Most centenarians eat small amounts of healthy food throughout the day, and get large amounts of low intensity cardiovascular exercise.

If you have other health goals that's fine but OMAD is not an effectively proven long term diet strategy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:18:11 2022 No.18035035 >>18034825 OMAD = one big spike followed by one big valley Healthy diet = many small spikes and many small valleys. one can lead to diabetes, the other is how people live to be 110 years old.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:20:16 2022 No.18035042 >>18029506 esl?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:53:26 2022 No.18035378 Just take some b,d and e vitamins as well as a fish oil capsule along with your donut and there will be literally no difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:53:59 2022 No.18035380 >>18031502 >Sounds like it really means shit you don't understand. He's right though, and it's a major reason for why sociology and psychology are hot garbage. There's no falsifiability.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 04:20:43 2022 No.18035454

>>18035380
Psychometry is chock full of deniability.

Signal theory (in regards to user interface research) is full of deniability.

Job Market research (industrial organizational psychology) full of deniability.

User interface research is full of deniability.

Cognitive science, especially in the fields of standardized models of human processing capacity, are highly deniable.

>muh replication crisis!
Although it can be difficult for independent companies to replicate un-biased studies; many of the above fields are quick to share their findings and replocable studies.

Don't discount a whole field of research just because some opportunists from within have decided to push their ridiculous agendas.

Psychology is a great undergrad for data analysts, OPSEC personal, and engineers interested in ergonomics and user-friendly machinery.

A lot of technical psychology undergrads move on to design car interiors/appliances, and even aeroplanes.

Shame about the social "sciences" majors dragging the aspects of useful psychology through the mud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 04:22:56 2022 No.18035458 >>18035454 the era of useful and true psychology is over, the big 5 have been replaced with acceptance and encouragement of delusions

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 05:49:44 2022 No.18035658

>>18030223
Reminder this guy is one of the most popular writers in Silicon Valley and NYC tech circles and has directly influenced leadership at FAGMAN companies as well as ultra-utilitarian philosophies like "altruistic wealth extraction" which are very popular with trendy Wall Street and Big Tech types.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 06:43:45 2022 No.18035783

>>18034996
>constant
It's once a day and I keep fucking saying the same kind of food in both scenarios. Can you not fucking read? Yes OMAD with sugar is a bad idea wow no one suggested it. Anyway OMAD can cure diabetes type 2 not cause it. Keep raising your insulin resistance though with all that snacking and yeah you'll get to 100 by butchering your autophagy process
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6194375/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 06:45:15 2022 No.18035786 >>18035658 I remember an article I read of his where he had a breakdown over how selfish and evil it was not to cryofreeze dead kids or something. Also apparently runs or ran some weird swinger cult

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:07:31 2022 No.18035979 File: 276 KB, 324x632, 1534480088772.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029624

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:10:33 2022 No.18035988 File: 66 KB, 555x448, 1632278798590.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18029478 >social media screencap thread >"le boomers" >300 replies

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:48:21 2022 No.18036064
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>body needs x calories to maintain
>consume x calories - y a day
>lose weight
Calories in, Calories out. Simple as.

Not my problem what you choose to eat. Just don’t be retarded.
Ever wonder why lifters and athletics will eat anything while fatties will cope and debate abt diets and simple weightloss

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:54:29 2022 No.18036081 File: 38 KB, 616x411, 616_bikzho.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18030223 >Metabolically disprivileged

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 09:05:38 2022 No.18036102 File: 146 KB, 1080x1892, IMG_20220627_110346.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Idk, just as subjective, but empirical evidence, these were my weight changed while doing morning fasts, walking and CICO, I was also wrong around 1300KCal a day

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 09:06:57 2022 No.18036109
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>>18036102
And this is after doing the exact same thing but with keto added. Note that whilst I was doing CICO I was eating chocolate, chips and whatever but always counting the calories to be below 1300

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 09:07:27 2022 No.18036111 >>18036064 If you don't hit your protein macro target you will 100% lose weight. Just probably not the kind you want lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 10:10:54 2022 No.18036255 >>18034298 >Which also means you were malnourished. I was also blasted 24/7 which was pretty amusing.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 10:30:58 2022 No.18036296

>>18030617
IF is mostly behavioral imo. Most people consume more calories than they think, IF makes it easier not to snack and gives you more satisfaction with a single big meal.
People have been losing weight on normal calorie restricted diets forever.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 10:42:01 2022 No.18036332

>>18029849
You're only focusing on the CI part of the equation. Almost everything you mentioned falls under CO. If your energy expenditure lowers, you need to lower your caloric intake. If you eat foods that have a higher thermal effect when digested or that arent fully absorbed, you need to increase your caloric intake. All else is so marginal it hardly matters. For a more accurate indication of your TDEE, note down your daily calories, activities and your daily weight and BF%. Plot the product of your weight and BF% along a graph and calculate the slope, there you have your rate of fat loss. Subtract your TDEE from your calories consumed and compare that number yo your rate of fat loss. Body fat is supposed to be around 3500 calories per pound.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 10:55:05 2022 No.18036369

>>18032407
>4g sugar = 16 calories
>100g tomato = 0.2g fat, 3.9 g carbohydrates, 0.9 protein = 1.8 + 15.6 + 3.6 = 21 calories. Subtract 1.2g of fiber = 4.8 calories: 21 - 4.8 = 16.2 calories. Subtract the thermal effect of digesting protein: 16.2 - 0.9 = 15.4 calories.

The sugar is actually more fattening, but the thermal effect of digesting fats, carbohydrates and protein wasn't well understood when that add was made.

Also, you're a fucking brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 10:57:41 2022 No.18036375 >>18029478 >Salmon is better for you than donuts what a pretentious faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 11:03:48 2022 No.18036396 There's that much misinformation out there, I'll just eat what makes me feel good and live however long my genetics allows me

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 11:05:12 2022 No.18036400

>>18034298
Diabetes is a funny one that not many people understand, including doctors. What people refer to as diabetes is just insulin resistance that's progressed to a point where your pancreas can no longer produce enough insulin to manage your blood sugar levels. The problem is not your pancreas being unable to keep up, it's the insulin resistance. But nobody seems to have any interest in tackling it, probably because nobody wants to take anything outside established dogma seriously.

This is actually how diabetes causes heart attacks. High blood sugar is toxic. This is why the body preferentially burns glucose as a fuel source; it's actively trying to rid your body of something that's toxic if levels reach a certain point. The glucose in your blood damages lipoproteins which can no longer return to the liver, which then get eaten by immune system macrophages, become foam cells, and get trapped in the walls of your arteries through the blood vessels on the outside of them. Then when a ton of fat and cholesterol are found at the site of the heart attack it's concluded that THEY were the problem. In reality the problem was insulin resistance that started years prior, possibly decades.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 17:02:50 2022 No.18037342 >>18029478 CICO is true but refined sugar makes you hungrier so you eat more than CICO. Google fructolysis

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 17:22:44 2022 No.18037409

>>18029518
This. All boomers I've met seem to have the temperament of a toddler and few of them developed well intellectually. The lead definitely stunted their development and fuel wasn't the only source. It was in the paint on their toys that they would have chewed on as babies and supposedly in their hoses too which they liked to drink from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 17:45:30 2022 No.18037483 >>18029478 Yes insulin is a thing. Not sure why there's so many retarded anons unaware of that ITT. lmao

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:05:07 2022 No.18037559

>>18034198
>Is this your brain "wasting" calories by burning a bunch more than you think it is?
No, brain activity doesn't really incrase how much energy the brain uses by any appreciable amount. Maybe by single digit percentages during periods of heavy thinking, so like less than 1% over the course of an entire day.
t. neuroscience knower

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:07:20 2022 No.18037572 >>18029867 The top division sumos are actually much healthier than they seem but a lot of the lower diviosion sumos really are just obese fatsos with a short shelf life until their body fails them and they can no longer compete.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:09:45 2022 No.18037578 >>18034996 >>18035035 >centenarian/supercentenarian data Deboonked. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/704080v1.full

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:22:40 2022 No.18037635
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>>18036375
it's not even true
>eat half a donut (150 kcal)
>feel satisfied and don't want any more
>eat half pound of raw salmon (400 kcal)
>don't feel satisfied, still want more
i CAN and WILL eat 3000 kcal of sashimi in a single sitting if left to my own devices

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:42:02 2022 No.18037734 >>18037559 Have you done any studies that compare the brain's energy usage when burning glucose and when burning ketones?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:47:21 2022 No.18037756 >>18034996 >fiber Oof your post was so close to being based.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:49:48 2022 No.18037768

>>18029650
a calorie is a calorie, but food is not just calories.
some foods can have a great nutritional profile or a very poor one even if they have the same calories. Do people really think that eating two tablespoons of lard straight out of the tub is the same as eating a bunch of fruits and vegetables just because they have the same amout of calories?

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:51:30 2022 No.18037774

>>18037768
>some foods can have a great nutritional profile or a very poor one even if they have the same calories
This is literally what people mean when they say "a calorie is not a calorie" but okay.

Also the tablespoons of lard is probably better for you than the fruits and vegetables but okay.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:54:49 2022 No.18037789

>>18037734
I don't do nutritional science, I'm in neurolinguistics. Should still basically be the same, though, since they go through mitochondria just like everywhere else in the body. Some parts of the brain require glucose to function (about 25%) but you can get that by gluconeogenesis if you eat enough protein and muscle catabolism if you eat nothing but fat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 18:55:21 2022 No.18037792 >>18029478 well the effect is not caused by the calorie amount, so the boomer is retarded for hinging the point he was trying to make on the calories.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 19:00:17 2022 No.18037817

>>18037789
But isn't gluconeogenesis essentially just converting fat into glucose? Surely eating nothing but fat is exactly what gluconeogenesis would want, no? You're also assuming that mitochondria but all fuel sources at the same rate of efficiency. I recommend reading up on the term "mitochondrial uncoupling". It's like sitting revving a car engine while it's not going anywhere; you're burning fuel even while idle.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 19:11:14 2022 No.18037867

>>18037817
Like I said, what I know is mainly about the brain and how it functions, not about metabolism or whatever. I know the brain is fairly invariant with its energy usage no matter what it's actually doing because of the way neurons self-regulate and I know how faint the signal from haemodynamic response is under, say, MRI compared to blood flow in muscular tissue. That leads me to infer that you'd probably die if ketones didn't work 99% as well on the basic physiological level, but I don't know from the other end of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 19:17:01 2022 No.18037882 >>18037867 Then I don't think your experience is particularly relevant to a conversation about metabolism to be desu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 21:28:09 2022 No.18038240 >>18031556 I'm a Jew and I don't even consider this a bait tbqhwymf

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 22:47:29 2022 No.18038484

>>18037774
>100% fat with a high percentage of saturated fats is better for you than fresh fruits and vegetables packed with vitamins, minerals, fibers, antioxidants and other micronutrients
I don't want to demonize fats, but come on.
Anyway, your diet as a whole is more important than the single foods you eat. Even the unhealthiest junk food is ok if you only eat it every once in a while.
Conversely, if you only eat "healthy" fruits and vegetables and nothing else, you're probably going to have some nutritional deficiency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 22:50:15 2022 No.18038492 >>18029518 this

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:01:34 2022 No.18038736

>>18029849
>if the food that you eat causes your metabolism to slow down then it's not CICO
if your metabolism slows down, then the number of calories out is reducing. the solution? further reduce the number of calories in.

CICO is thermodynamics, so unless you think fatties are infinite energy generators I wouldn't bother trying to refute it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:54:16 2022 No.18038867 >>18029610 One is more like a dingy and the other is more like a ship. You know eskimos have, like, 69 different words for 'snow'?

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:56:26 2022 No.18038872

>>18029853
>carbs are digested significantly more quickly. donuts will spike your insulin
The way he said "same over the digestion of the entire thing" leads me to believe that he suspects just as much insulin is released for each, over the period it takes to digest the whole thing, whether it's 30 minutes or 3 hours, but I'd still say he's wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:58:12 2022 No.18038875 >>18029849 >if the food that you eat causes your metabolism to slow down then it's not CICO That's not possible. Metabolism ALWAYS has to increase as a response to food intake because digestion itself requires energy.

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