/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.17931390]

So with everything getting too fucking expensive, I'm actually thinking of trying out tofu to replace meat a couple days per week. Even the fanciest tofu around me is less than $3 per pound. Was thinking of just preparing it as taco meat to start out, any anons have tofu experience? Also looked up seitan but vital wheat gluten is pretty expensive and it would nearly cost me the same as meat in seitan per pound for much more effort.

Also just bevause we're talking about it now, we should keep hating on tofu to detract others from buying it to keep it cheap.

[Anonymous No.17931393]

1. Tofu's good, although chicken breast surely doesn't cost that much, does it?
2. Yes.

[Anonymous No.17931399]

>>17931390
I tried it once out of curiosity and now eat it a few times a month. Def not a meat replacement, but I enjoy seeing what I can do with it. I either air fry it, make tacos, or add it to soups/stews. I enjoy it quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.17931408]

>>17931390
Please fuck off and never come here again. That is a terrible idea and you god damned know it.

[Anonymous No.17931421]

>>17931408
I'm actually one of the more prominent posters on this board, people notice when I get banned.

[Anonymous No.17931526]

>>17931390
Why can't you just treat tofu as tofu?

[Anonymous No.17931541]

>>17931390
One of the great things about tofu is that it's a flavor sponge. I use it to add additional protein to several meals a week. Typically stir-fries. You can just use have as much meat, and replace the other half with tofu. It provides a nice additional texture to the meal.

[Anonymous No.17931550]

>>17931390
I bought some tofu the other day because it was cheap in Lidl and I've never tried it.
Do I just fry it on a pan or what?

[Anonymous No.17931558]

>>17931390
>So with everything getting too fucking expensive, I'm actually thinking of trying out tofu to replace meat a couple days per week.
Good goy.

Everything is going according to plan!

[Anonymous No.17931580]

>>17931390
>he fell for the tofu meme
You realize that tofu is not a meat replacement right?

[Anonymous No.17931820]

>>17931580
>he fell for the estrogen meme
You realize that phytoestrogens have no effect on the human hormonal system right?

[Anonymous No.17931826]

>>17931390
If you’ve never had it before, try one of the pre-marinated teriyaki ones plain first just to see if you like it or not.
It would be weird and soft as taco meat. Might be better in a wrap or a sandwich. I just marinate it and eat it plain.

[Anonymous No.17931827]

tofu's good, but you're probably gonna be disappointed if you treat it as a direct substitute for meat.

[Anonymous No.17931845]

>>17931390
Drain out as much moisture as possible from the tofu before attempting to cook it. If you drain and then freeze, it develops a spongy texture that allows it to absorb a lot more flavor/marinade.

[Anonymous No.17931856]

>>17931820
You realize that that's false, right?

[Anonymous No.17931860]

>>17931820
>There was an inverse association between onions food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smoking. In the multivariate-adjusted analyses, men in the highest category of onions food intake had 41 million sperm/ml less than men who did not consume onions foods (95% confidence interval = -74, -8; P, trend = 0.02).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18650557

[Anonymous No.17931861]

>>17931856
>may be associated

[Anonymous No.17931865]

>>17931861
Nice cope. Enjoy your bitch tits.

[Anonymous No.17931869]

>>17931390
Recipes that use tofu to begin with >>>>>>>> Replacing meat with tofu

Just look up tofu dish recipes and make those instead

[Anonymous No.17931872]

>>17931865
Been eating tofu for close to 10 years now and I don't have any man boobs. In fact, I used to be fat with man boobs and the change in my diet back then got rid of them. So ironically it is you who is coping.

[Anonymous No.17931875]

>>17931872
Post phisique

[Anonymous No.17931886]

>>17931875
No, I'm not fit by any means neither do I have a picture of myself when I was fat with my physique.

[Anonymous No.17931891]

>>17931390
Dried beans start cheaper and yield more food, and in addition are more versatile also. Imagine putting tofu in chili.

[Anonymous No.17931896]

>>17931891
>Imagine putting tofu in chili.
I've done it before.

[Anonymous No.17931898]

>>17931886
I'd bet all my money that you have a low testosterone skinny-fat physique. All male vegans I've ever met in real life either looked like fragile spooky skellies, or were skinny-fat and had a feminine fat distribution like pic related.

[Anonymous No.17931901]

>>17931898
Ok kid.

[Anonymous No.17931903]

>>17931898
I assure you, I look nothing like the pic related.

[Anonymous No.17931931]

>>17931390
> any anons have tofu experience?
Yes I make it regularly. Three big things:
- learn to prepare tofu from a culture that does so natively. Hipsters are notoriously shit at preparing tofu, so are a lot of vegans and vegetarians. I don't know why, I just know that I started appreciating tofu only after I learned it from those other cultures. Consider any asian cuisine to look into it.
- tofu by itself doesnt have much taste, so you want to spice or marinade intensively. A lot of asian cuisine also flavors tofu with meat, which is a great addition. Frying some minced meat in oil to get the flavor out, then frying tofu in that oil is amazing.
- tofu is not a meat replacement. Please don't think of it as such or you will be dissapointed. Think of it as its own ingredient and a alternative protein source. But it isn't meat and it won't taste like meat. If you just replace a dish that is designed around a certain meat with tofu the result is almost always a lot worse.
>Also looked up seitan but vital wheat gluten is pretty expensive and it would nearly cost me the same as meat in seitan per pound for much more effort.
Seitan should be cheap. Dry gluten is around 7€/kg, which comes out to 3.5€/kg hydrated. Or do a flourwash, thats even cheaper. Then again I personally dont like seitan.

Lastly consider tempeh. It's not as cheap as tofu, but its still a lot cheaper than meat and it has a nice nutty flavor. It's a lot easier to prepare than tofu and probably the closest to a meat replacement of the three options. While tofu is great if you can properly prepare it, tempeh is good even with a lot less skilled cook. It also freezes well, so I always have some in the freezer.

>>17931526
Based.

[Anonymous No.17931981]

>>17931820
>Researchers at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health report that male rats whose mothers were fed diets containing genistein, a chemical found in soybeans, developed abnormal reproductive organs and experienced sexual dysfunction as adults.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030311074418.htm

inb4 rats aren't humans cope

[Anonymous No.17932183]

>>17931981
Rats are not human and any clinical trials in rats still need to be tested in humans
>>17931860
>fatasses with low sperm count have low sperm count
(shocking)
>>17931856
>may be
>69 sample size
>like 10 control calculations

You fags sure have an agenda nowadays don't you. I bet you're a ketofag.

[Anonymous No.17932191]

>>17932183
>let's just ignore all of this scientific evidence as well as anecdotal evidence. My fee fees cannot be wrong!

[Anonymous No.17932194]

get spiced/smoked tofu and stir fry it with vegetables and chili oil/black bean sauce
Pic related is really good but you might have to get it at an asian grocery store

[Anonymous No.17932204]

>>17932191
There's mountains of evidence using actual meta analyzes that point to the opposite, I'd post it but you'd dismiss it and continue agenda posting like the cuck you are.

[Anonymous No.17932223]

>>17931860
>onions food intake
Why are you self filtering on /ck/?

[Anonymous No.17932230]

>>17932204
>meta analyzes
Meta analysis is not science. It's literally just some dudes collecting a bunch of studies, some or all of which may be trash, and drawing conclusions on the overall results.

Anyways, when it comes to nutritional science there is almost always conflicting studies, and in those cases it's wise to use common sense and err on the side of caution. Regardless of the science, soybean oil is an industrial product that cannot exist in nature. It has only been in the human food chain for 50-75 some odd years. There is plenty of compelling evidence that it is harmful to biological life when consumed. I don't need to eat it, so I won't.

>>17932223
That's just how it was copy pasted into my copy pasta file, my bad.

[Anonymous No.17932241]

>>17931820
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/can-ipa-beers-cause-man-boobs

[Anonymous No.17932271]

>>17931390
>replace meat
Stop. Make it supplement meat not outright replace it.

[Anonymous No.17932444]

>>17932230
You post the same links in every thread and have been BTFOd countless times. You're just an agendafag directionbrain.

[Anonymous No.17932478]

i air fry it for a nice crispy tofu or stir fry it for a mediocre tofu scramble that i still enjoy.

[Anonymous No.17932496]

>>17932444
You make the same cope replies in every thread and have deluded yourself into believing that science denial is "BTFOing" teh evil meat eaters.

[Anonymous No.17932503]

>>17932230
Nice bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17932514]

>>17932271
He can do whatever he likes faggot

[Anonymous No.17932527]

>>17932503
>(you)

[Anonymous No.17932901]

Tofu isn't actually cheap, though, really, unless you've found it super cheap from an asian market or something. In terms of protein/currency it's more expensive than most meats.

[Anonymous No.17932906]

>>17932230
>biological life
kek

[Anonymous No.17932945]

>>17931580
if this was true admiral perry would have sailed into tokyo bay to find a bunch of big-titty dickgirl samurai

[Anonymous No.17932963]

>>17931390
press out the excess moisture, cut up the tofu in little cubes, marinate them in something nice and then bake until nice and crispy

[Anonymous No.17932966]

>>17932901
OP said that at the moment it's cheaper per pound than meat where he lives

[Anonymous No.17933200]

>>17932945
There's a reason Asians are short, low T, and have such small penises my man

[Anonymous No.17933207]

>>17931390
Shabbos goy detected

[Anonymous No.17933616]

>>17931898
Can someone please shop this with a confederate / nazi flag?

[Anonymous No.17933829]

>>17933616
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.17933941]

mapo tofu is good

[Anonymous No.17933968]

>>17933616
cmon man you could do that in paint

[Anonymous No.17934023]

>>17931390
just do what mexicans do and add alot of rice and beans

[Anonymous No.17934581]

>>17931390
The secret agenda and global push to drive up the price of meat artificially so you'll be priced out of meat and "choose" to go vegetarian for environmental reasons is working and you don't even know it.
Just wait until soy goes up in price too and you're forced to eat some yet to be invented synthetic protein slop in the near future.

[Anonymous No.17934593]

>>17931390
Or you can fast.

[Anonymous No.17934597]

>>17934581
How much time do you spend on discord per week?

[Anonymous No.17934600]

Tofu is good once you get the taste for it after about 6 tries. The problem is it's not even barely cheap any more.

[Anonymous No.17934604]

>>17934593
I don't think that's a good idea.
If you can barely afford food now, that means you can't afford to overeat to stock up on your fat stores, if you waste them now and not when shit really hits the fan, you're gonna legitimately starve to death at the first real food shortage.

[Anonymous No.17934661]

>>17931390
>Even the fanciest tofu around me is less than $3 per pound
Keep in mind that like half of the weight is water and you have to squeeze that out with a bunch of paper towels.

[Anonymous No.17934724]

>>17934661
I know, I have to wring it out like an old dishrag before I figure out what I'm going to eat it with.

Tofu sliced up with some raw tomatoes is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.17934803]

>>17934724
I just drizzle soy sauce on it. Usually don't even cook it.

[Anonymous No.17934877]

>>17931393
He might be Canadian.

[Anonymous No.17934974]

vegan here, QRD on tofu.
It seems cheap but bear in mind that half the weight of basically soya whey and comes out when you press the tofu.
The water weight of meat is blood, unless you're buying food from a jew supermarket that pumps water into the meat.
>press the tofu
Absolutely, if you don't press the whey out you can't get flavor into it and it tastes like shit.
roll it in a paper towel, a kitchen cloth, then put something kinda heavy on it.
The kitchen towel will stop the whey going everywhere and the paper protects the surface of the tofu.

From a nutritional point of view tofu is distinctly lacking compared to meat and the protein isn't as readily digested. You can boost the digestion of the protein with vitamin C, I just make a lime juice soda.
Even if you're not a vegan, be careful if you're replacing red meat- that's when you may need supplements just like us and that's when the cost of eating tofu sort of comes back to bite you.

For those who just want some variety, I would recommend several options.
A. use tofu as they would in Asia in soups or stir fries, Fushia Dunlop has some good recipes for tofu and bean curd.
B. use tofu as a westen product to replace chicken, marinading is essential but tofu grills really well.
C. use tofu to fortify/bulk out dishes, crumb firm tofu and add it as a filling to vegetable dishes. like bean paste you can sneak a little bit into everything- but the key works here is "little"
This is actually a far better option for meat eaters than vegans, because you can actually mix mince meat and tofu and get a good result.

>muh estrogen
This is a area where the weight of ignorance is far greater than the grain of truth.
Yes there are proteins that act a bit like estrogen, but this is a relative issue because at that level many things have a marginal estrogen antagonistic effect.
Much like what "causes cancer" the answer is everything in an absolute sense but practically very few things.

[Anonymous No.17934992]

>>17931390
I use chickpeas a lot for replacing clown world meat prices tbqh

[Anonymous No.17934996]

>>17934581
now this isn't actually a meme.
I encountered TVP like 10 years back in India where it's effectively a vegetable protein slurry that only the poorest people eat, it is/was like 10 rupees a kilo.
Technically it's a byproduct of other processes, the leftover vegetable matter is treated with a solvent to get this protein slurry that's dried into a kind of nugget.

When I saw it being sold dehydrated in western supermarkets I did a double take, because they've simply reduced the shelf like of a dry good to a week then quadrupled the price.
Even in the west I can but TVP in it's normal dried form for 8$/kilo

Profit margins on selling it are incredibly high, and as soon as consumers accept it they won't be able to produce it as it's an industrial product and the price of the vegetable slurry will approach that of meat.
Scarcity of meat will also drive this.

But the basis of this issue isn't a soy agenda, it's simply the same kapitalism that drives cycles of scarcity and inflation in many other sectors.
You're not at war with vegans here, you're at war with the corporates who've strangled global food production

[Anonymous No.17935004]

>>17934992
a far better option from almost every standpoint, I eat about a kilo of rehydrated chickpeas a week.
it's a far superior source of carbs that either wheat, rice or oats.
if people replaced the empty carbs in their diet with beans they could half their meat intake immediately with no consequence whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17935040]

>>17934581
usa has mountains and mountains of soy
we will never ever run out of soy
farmers shoot themselves in the head because they cant get rid of all the fuckin soy they produce
if you EVER see soy products rise in price then you need to stop posting on 4chan and get on the phone/walk into a corpo office to YELL at whatever faggot executive artificially hiked the price of soy and show him yield graphs of soy production being astronomically high

[Anonymous No.17935054]

>>17931390
I made some mapo tofu today
>>17933729

[Anonymous No.17935056]

>>17934974
>the protein isn't as readily digested. You can boost the digestion of the protein with vitamin C, I just make a lime juice soda.
I think you're thinking of iron

[Anonymous No.17935079]

>>17935054
A man of taste.

[Anonymous No.17935090]

>>17931550
You basically cook it however you want. I have deep fried it, baked it, pan fried it, used it as a substitute for ground meat, I haven't tried boiling it yet but I'm sure you can. I normally cook it enough so its a bit crispy on the outside, turning a brown color on the outside but retaining its softness on the inside. I like cutting it into cubes or strips.

[Anonymous No.17935093]

>>17931931
this guy gets it
learn to make mapo tofu it's fucking great

[Anonymous No.17935101]

>>17931860
Is this the study that showed the infertile men who ate soy had higher sperm counts than the infertile men who didn't?

[Anonymous No.17935106]

>>17935093
you didn't make that faggot

[Anonymous No.17935114]

>>17935101
That's not the point...

[Anonymous No.17935276]

>>17935040
All they have to do is fire all the field workers and not invest in increasing yields just like how the oil companies fired everyone during covid and are operating at reduced capacity so they can drive the price of gasoline sky high, they're all reporting record profits btw.

[Anonymous No.17935308]

>>17934581
Price of lentils is 30% up already. Huge problem for poor people in those countries where they are used as main protein source.

>>17935040
Despite being cheap to grow soy requires lots of energy to make it edible, and energy gets increasingly more expensive. So dont be so sure it stays cheap for individual consumers - certainly not in the processed form.
Just like OP I have been toying with the thought of actually using soy as a substitute for meat, but figured out the dishes would be actually more expensive than those made with ground meat or lentils&beans because they take 3-4 time as much time to cook. And where I live tofu is a hipster ingredient that cost fuckton of money comparing to meat and basic dairy products.

[Anonymous No.17935324]

>>17935040
>YELL at whatever faggot executive artificially hiked the price of soy and show him yield graphs of soy production being astronomically high


Lmao, he already knows that. Ho do you think he makes his profits? All you can do is yell at his bot operated helpline, and better mind your language, because calls are recorded - for the benefit of customers, of course.

[Anonymous No.17935388]

>>17935106
Probably not but I did >>17933729

[Anonymous No.17935744]

>>17935308
>because they take 3-4 time as much time to cook
You on crack? Tofu takes marginally longer than meat to cook with the same preparation method. Or are you comparing a pan fried chicken breast to a braised tofu dish? If it's not cheap where you live, that makes sense at least. Here it's half the price of the cheaper meat. That is hard to beat.

[Anonymous No.17935751]

>>17931393
OP is gay and chicken's texture makes me gag

[Anonymous No.17935808]

>>17934974
>press the tofu
>it tastes like shit
>Fushia Dunlop
>replace chicken
>bulk out dishes
>crumb firm tofu
Why do you guys have to take a thing you apparently don't even like and fuck with it so much? You don't see asians snatching up all the organic spinach and trying to turn it into a pork replacement.

Also >The water weight of meat is blood
It is not.

[Anonymous No.17935902]

>>17935101
> Soy food and isoflavone intakes were unrelated to total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility or sperm morphology in these analyses.

And the takeaway:
>In this cross-sectional study, dietary intake of soy food and isoflavones was inversely related to sperm concentration after accounting for multiple potential confounders. This association was stronger at the higher end of the sperm concentration distribution suggesting that soy food intake may have stronger associations among men with normal or high sperm concentrations than among men with low sperm concentration.

Here's the full text if you're curious: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721724/

[Anonymous No.17935952]

>>17931390
I never really looked into the nutrient profile of tofu until this thread. Pretty interesting stuff.

Compared to chicken breast per gram:
>twice the calories
>5x the fat
>14x the PUFAs
>half the protein
>not a complete protein

Why do people eat this stuff? Just because it's cheap?

[Anonymous No.17935988]

>>17935952
Scratch that, it is technically a complete protein but you have to stuff your face with 2-3x the calories in order to get all of your essential amino acids.

[Anonymous No.17936067]

>>17931399
only realistically good for texture, only do this as a "meat replacement" if youre a veganfag

[Anonymous No.17936074]

>>17931390
you can't replace meat with non meat

[Anonymous No.17936200]

>>17935952
>roasted chicken
>fried tofu

[Anonymous No.17936315]

>>17936200
That's all they had listed. Cooking method doesn't change the nutrient profile of a food.

[Anonymous No.17936329]

>>17936200
Using "firm tofu" brings it down to only 4x the fat, 11x the PUFA's, and 2/3 the protein.

[Anonymous No.17937681]

>>17931421

[Anonymous No.17937896]

>>17931390
i make my non meat chorizo out of a brick of tofu, 1/2 cup walnuts, 1/2 cup TVP, dry chilis, onions, garlic, tomato paste, and a ton of spice.
food process the walnuts with the dry chilis, strain the tofu, crumble all of that together with a lot of olive oil, or just use lard. bake in the oven to dry it out and crisp it up a bit.
in a big pan, simmer onions and garlic in some oil or lard, add the TVP chunks so they soak up some of the oil. add a 12oz can of tomato paste, dilute it with a little bit of water or stock, simmer in a lot of your taco seasonings/spice, i use a homemade chorizo mix. add some molasses and liquid smoke.
when that's simmering and the tofu/walnuts are done, mix them all into the pan and let simmer until the liquid is gone and soaked up into everything.

[Anonymous No.17938016]

>>17933200
That's not even true though anon. Most of the short effeminate Japanese are that way because of genetic factors, namely the Chinese roots in their genes. There have been a ton of studies comparing the genetic differences between Japanese that originate from Han origins versus native Japanese with more Ainu oriented roots. Has almost nothing to do with Soy products and everything to do with eugenics. Kinda interesting desu

[Anonymous No.17938048]

>>17935744
>soybeans magically turn into tofu without soaking them whole day, blending the shit out of them, boiling, pressing and then boiling/frying again in the dish. And actual beans dont require soaking whole day and boiling 2-3 hours, often with sodium bicarbonate, before they are remotely edible, which is not guaranteed because you can get scammed into buying prepackaged old beans.

Yeah, I think I`ll stay with my meat&lentils

[Anonymous No.17938058]

>>17931390
chicken thighs are $1.40 a pound
tofu should cost like 25 cents a pound, it's just been moved into this fraudulent upper middle class market in white pig countries

[Anonymous No.17938096]

>>17938058
Chicken thighs like $2.50 a pound nowadays friend. This is Biden's America. Legumes and peas and wheats are a fine enough supplement and replacement for meat on occassion. Only fat fuck nutritionally illiterate native Americans need to have steak and chicken dinner everyday of the week. If anything, all of these "VEGGIES AND SOY ARE YUCKIE COOTIES" threads on every single fitness and cooking related board are probably more cringe and annoying than the demographics they like to lambast against. Threads been getting worse, peobably because more teenagers lately.

Anyways, nothing wrong with eating meat 3-4 times a week and supplementing it out with cheaper proteins. Encourages blokes to actually learn how to cook food and eat whole foods as well. A skill that seems excessively lacking in /ck/

[Anonymous No.17938115]

>>17938096
I literally went shopping today and got them for $1.40 which is why I said such a specific price. No sale or even a fake store discount thing, just straight up.

[Anonymous No.17938128]

>>17938115
Must me a state or city thing. Prices are definitely influenced by that. I don't think thighs have ever been less than $2 in the last 6 years though anywhere I've been in the US. And I've been to CA, New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Oklahoma, and Texas. Maybe in OK it might have been less.

[Anonymous No.17938144]

>>17938128
Ah wait, I'm thinking of breast lol.

[Anonymous No.17938159]

Tofu is expensive in white countries because it's priced like an exotic food. You can probably make vital wheat gluten from AP flour much cheaper, or buy bulk VWG off Amazon or something. Most countries that eat a lot of tofu would rather have seitan if it were cheaper

[Anonymous No.17938285]

>>17938159
Here in Poland cheapest Tofu costs an equivalent of 1,5$ for 200g and Seitan 4$ for 200g. Fucking dried soy beans are 1,5$ for 400g, this shit sits on the shelfs forever. Iam sure half of so called organic soybeans are just rebranded ordinary animal food grade beans, who know how old. Down here vegan and vegetarian food is huge meme designed to fleece suckers.
Cheapest dry cottage cheese costs 0,55$ for 250g.
Eggs went up in price to 1,75-2$ for 10.
Cheapest meat from dog grounded with his doghouse (akshully grounded pork) is 1,25$ for a 500g. Green/red lentils went up to 1,5$ for 500g, split peas are 0,70$ for 500g. Minimal guaranteed salary is 3,2$/hour after taxes.

[Anonymous No.17938622]

>>17936329
Thanks, what app is that?

[Anonymous No.17938838]

>>17938622
https://tools.myfooddata.com/nutrition-comparison