/ck/ - Food & Cooking

some people really are born to lose

Just fast

Anon, you are in dire straits, you need to FAST.
Stop eating completely, you absolutely DO NOT NEED THE NUTRITION.

>>17865616
iron horse is a life
>>17865621
how do I fast?

>>17865615
i eat every other day to maintain my weight and just eat a bunch of popcorn, vegetable stir fry, and a couple servings of red meat or a bunch of eggs. always feel full doing this but im not sure if its wise to recommend this to someone with prediabetes

>>17865615
Height and weight?

>>17865630
Go to /fast/ on /fit/ to find out

>>17865627
This desu
>>17865615
But my favorite 500kcal meal is pic, or more likely a homemade version thereof. Dinner salads are comparatively filling and satisfying, just watch the dressing.

>>17865615
Diabetes is caused by excessive carbs. Meat and sausage doesn't effect insulin production. If anything you should be using meat to replace all the carbs in your diet that's killing your pancreas in the first place.

>>17865641
the only thing /fit/ can teach you is how to suck dick

Broccoli and chicken breast. A little bit of butter to cook the chicken with to get a nice sear won't hurt you.

Also, I would recommend to start running.

>>17865636
172cm 100 kg. basically pearl from blade

>>17865630
>how do I fast?
Just don't eat, that's it.

>>17865644
That's literally one of the only decent threads, ironically.

>>17865647
Actually fuck what I just typed.

The other anons are correct, you need to fast. Like weeks of intermittent fasting.

You're overlooking the precipice but you've not fallen off the cliff of no return yet. You can save yourself from a shitty lifelong illness if you take action now.

>>17865647
running as a fatty is the worst thing you could do to your knees, walking is good enough until you get to a healthy weight

>>17865658
I changed my opinion after I read the thread. Anon needs to fast.

>>17865660
ah

>>17865655
>You can save yourself from a shitty lifelong illness if you take action now.
that's what my doctor said

intermittent fasting? how does that work?

>>17865678
Start off by doing 1 meal a day (OMAD)

Keep it to 1200kcal or less. I would recommend protein and vegetable, such as 2 chicken breasts and veg. Absolute minimum on cooking oils.

You are only permitted to drink water, tea or black coffee when not eating this single meal.

If you can accomplish this then go to >>17865641
and tell them your plight.

>>17865615
try this site, ignore faggots here
https://www.eatthismuch.com/

>>17865678
Youtube.com/watch?v=ED8VtvRFr_I
He has a book too about it. Diabetes Code iirc
http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=Diabetes+code&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
Please watch or read and try to save youraelf from being diabetic.

>>17865644
That's not the worst skill to have

>>17865678
read a book

>>17865696
my doc warned me against one meal a day. apparently I should have 3 light meals a day to keep my glucose steady and my insides working
>>17865708
ok I'm gonna watch it (with a grain of salt). thanks for sharing. I really don't want diabetes

>>17865777
>apparently I should have 3 light meals a day to keep my glucose steady
Spiking insulin all day surely is great for diabetes.
Most doctors should be shot.

>>17865615
You don't need to fast, just stop eating anything with carbs, that includes all processed shit that has hidden sugars (pretty much everything). In case you don't know all sugars are carbs but not all carbs are sugar. I would stick to vegetable soups with butter or coconut oil or lots of avocados and uncooked egg yolks. You're A1C levels should be back to normal after about a month or so.

>t. had pre-diabetes thanks to prednisone. Doing fine 10 years later.

>>17865615
Sometimes after i have a really sugary drink, like a milkshake, i notice that my pee smells sweet after. Does this mean im gonna get diabetes?

>>17865652
>That's literally one of the only decent threads, ironically.
is that a thing these days?

>>17865615
Keto.

>>17865704
thank you for showing me this. this is a fantastic tool

>>17865615
Why did you decide to become so obese?

>>17865647
Sear and butter don't really mix. Are you sure you cook?

>>17865777
Check with a nutritionist and not a general practitioner. They don't teach nutrition in most med schools and depending on how old he is his info might be decade out of date. Or don't and trust random basket weavers without fact checking

I've consumed a shit ton of sugary foods throughout my life. Like, eating an entire tub of ice cream in a day is not unheard of for me. Tons of candies and chocolate, etc. I only found out in my 20's that this can lead to diabetes.
What are the chances I am diabetic or prediabetic? What are the signs? The thing is I'm quite skinny. I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years.
One thing I've noticed is that when I consume a lot of sugar on a particular day, my extremities (mainly feet) sometimes get a bit tingly. Is this a sign?

>>17865863
Yeah. I work in med and hearing doctors say shit like this is fucking madness.

>>17866437
>my extremities (mainly feet) sometimes get a bit tingly.

Yes. That is one of the telltale signs of early diabetes.

>>17866437
Get an A1c hemoglobin test. If you have an elevated average blood glucose, you're prediabetic. If you're prediabetic switch to a low carbohydrate or ketogenic diet. Type 1 diabetics figured this out years ago because these diets do two things: they give much better glucose control for insulin dependent diabetics, and it increases insulin sensitivity. To this day it flies in the face of the medical establishment and royally pisses them off because it works, patients use less medication, and live longer lives. It also basically cures type 2 diabetes. Fatties hate it because it's proof they can't eat french fries and cake all day long every day. Fatfuck retards ITT shill against it because they're stupid fat idiots.

>>17865863
>Spiking insulin
I said I'm prediabetes. no insulin involved. for now.
>>17866431
The GP said I should lose weight, stop smoking, drinking, and contact a diabetes specialist.

>>17865615
For the live of God don't let them trick you into replacing fat with sugar and carbs. You don't even have to go full ketotard, just mentally tell them to fuck off when they try to shill you whole wheat and low fat products.

>>17866497
>>17866686
if you eat actual good quality whole grains like oats and quinoa, doesn't that help your body regulate insulin better? especially if they're the only carbs you get and you don't eat them constantly

>>17866910
>don't eat them constantly
That's really the only thing that matters out of everything you said. Also, you should skip the studies and just try measuring your blood sugar in separate intervals after eating something carby. Them you'll see if your body can handle it or not. Diabetics get btfo.

>>17865615
A mcchicken is <500 calories just have one per meal

>>17865615
what are you a cuck? gonna listen to your daddy doctor man because you dont have the brains to think for yourself? fuck off npc shill, diabetes is a made up kike disease and i WILL continue to eat anything i want, whenever i want. kys

>>17867531
doctor said no mcchicken sauce

>>17865615
As a certified fatass, the weight loss specialist my doctor referred me to suggested I eat less than 40g of carbs a day. Focus on meat and fibrous vegetables. No more rice, bread, potatoes, corn, or pasta. If you want something sweet, go for one of those super low carb protein shakes. If you mix them with chia seeds you can even make a low carb pudding.

>>17866497
Medical establishment has picked up on low carb actually. Multiple doctors suggested it to me offhand before I got referred to a specialist and decided to be serious.

>>17865615
>>17865642
Eh, if you're gonna eat a salad i wouldn't even bother eating one with lettuce or leaves, that shit will leave u hungry and you'll just eat more. Your gonna wanna eat a heavy salad, volume eat. Personally i like eating chopped up cucumbers, tomatos, and chicken with ranch. Its a comfort food for me and super filling. Just buy low calorie dressing and follow the portion size to be aware of calories.

Eat more eggs, 1 egg is 80 cals so u can have 3 in the morning if u really wanted too and that'll only be 240cals. You can add sum potato or a cup of fruit. You'll be very full after that.

Focus on eating lots of protein and healthy fats from whole foods like fish, avocado, peanuts ect. Your carbs should come from mainly vegetables and a bit of fruit. Add grains for fiber like rice and oats, fiber will also help keep u full.

Most important part is keeping yourself full while eating whole foods, 500cals a meal is a lot to mess around with so you'll do just fine, good luck.

>>17865643
>Diabetes is caused by excessive carbs.
No it isn't. You're confusing result of diabetes with the cause.
Type 2 diabetes is predicted by whether or not someone is overweight, not what their diet's macronutrient ratio is.
Same as how AIDS patients being unable to handle mild respiratory disease is a result of AIDS and not its cause.
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/diabetes-food-myths/myth-sugar-causes-diabetes
>With Type 2 diabetes, though we know sugar doesn’t directly cause Type 2 diabetes, you are more likely to get it if you are overweight. You gain weight when you take in more calories than your body needs, and sugary foods and drinks contain a lot of calories.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23880355
>In the present study, we investigated the association between dietary intake of carbohydrates and the risk of type 2 diabetes.
>These prospective findings suggest that the intakes of starch and sucrose are not associated, but that those of fructose and glucose are inversely associated with diabetes risk.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
>Is diabetes caused by eating sugar?
>A diet high in calories from any source (including sugar) contributes to weight gain and weight gain increases your risk for type 2 diabetes.
>The mechanisms by which visceral obesity results in insulin resistance appear to be related to excess lipid accumulation in liver. This may be due to excess fatty acids from visceral adipose tissue draining into the portal vein.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038351/#S11title

>>17866497
>Fatties hate it because it's proof they can't eat french fries and cake all day long every day.
lol, no. Fatties love the low carb meme because it tells them it's healthy to eat bacon and eggs all day long every day.

>>17867835
It is, sorry you’re retarded

>>17867825
This is wrong.
Diabetes is from insulin resistance because of too many carbs and sugars.

By eating a low carb diet, like keto or carnivore, you can control type 2 diabetes without medication or even reverse it.

>>17867841
K.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00325481.1958.11692236?journalCode=ipgm20
>We have for the past 15 years treated numerous diabetic patients with the rice diet. Since more than 90 percent of the calories in this diet are derived from carbohydrates, it was anticipated that increased amounts of insulin would be necessary to keep the blood sugar at its previous level. However, the opposite proved to be true. As previously reported, not only is the rice diet well tolerated but in many instances the blood sugar and the insulin requirements decrease.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673655902117
>There is no indication that healthy people taking a diet rich in carbohydrates are especially liable to diabetes; in fact numerous observations show improvement of carbohydrate tolerance following its greater intake. The Staub-Traugott effect is a classical example of this in acute experiments. As a long-term effect diabetes mellitus is not especially common among the huge and mainly carbohydrate-eating populations of the world-e.g., the Chinese-except the rich and the sedentary among them who partake of large quantities of fat as well and encourage obesity by overeating.

>>17866497
>Type 1 doing a ketogenic diet
your medlarp has ended

>>17865615
prediabetes is a meme friend. guess what if your fasting glucose is below 120 you are on the prediabetic spectrum. that being said, time-restricted feeding plus moving to a low-carb diet should decrease insulin resistance and regularize your glucose levels. Just watch Kenneth Fung's videos on jootube. He goes through all the clinical literature on the topic
>t. medfag

>>17867845
He's right that ketogenic diet was tried for type 1 diabetes back before they had insulin treatment for it.
It didn't work well at all though so it's kind of stupid to bring it up.
Ketogenic diet has only ever really helped with reducing brain activity in intractable / drug resistant epilepsy, and even in that one use case it's a failure with one of the largest dropout rates for a treatment in recorded medical history.

>>17865649
Anon you don't need a diet you need to change your lifestyle for good, count calories and stop eating like a fat fuck. A diet implies just a temporary change before you'll sneak back into old habits and will end up being a fatter fuck than you were before.

>>17867848
*Jason Fung

>>17867837
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2852806/
>The prevalence of renal caculi in people on the ketogenic diet is 3-10%, compared with 1 in several thousand in the general population.12 Chronic acidosis, dehydration, low urine pH, and fat malabsorption all contribute to the formation of uric acid and calcium oxalate stones.9,10
That's an increase in annual kidney stone risk by a factor of 2,700. I wouldn't call that healthy personally.

>>17867843
these papers both assume populations with t2dm don't have a phenotypic trait which impacts their metabolic processes
>glycolysis and glycogen pathways
>adipose and visceral fat storage mechanisms
>congenital insulin resistance
look up the Ancel Keyes experiment to see what happens when people are fed a nearly 100% carbohydrate diet for an extended period

>>17867837
are you actually trying to say eating fried eggs n bacon every day is healthy? literally every doctor and nutritionist on this planet would laugh in your fat fucking face

>>17865649
I’m 185cm and 82kgs and feel like a fat fuck.
Post a photo of your shadow.

>>17867856
Hes a retard that doesn't understand science but speaks like he does so retards like you believe him

>>17865615
I'm a diabetus. You need to check your glucose before and after eating. I prefer metformin than the injections.
Managing it is about controlling insulin, to teach your body to regulate itself. Cut off carbs, especially bread. A little bit of rice, potato or corn tortilla is fine but anything flour is garbage, and by little I mean VERY little, just as helper to not drive you insane. For sweets, just fresh fruit, very little. Cut out most dairy, a little butter and cheese is fine, but most of your food should be meat and fat and a bit of vegetables. Again be careful with vegetables because they spike insulin.
The other part is losing fat. You're going to have to count calories and manage what you eat better. Learn to be satiated with less, fast and you will figure out when and why you're eating.
Make it a routine, as something to look forward to. Personally I prefer one or two meals a day. I was in the hospital for COVID for almost a month and they were feeding me 3 times a day with a shitload of more carbs than I'm used to. I didn't gain weight in fact I lost a bit, but they were injecting me about 9 times a day with insulin and giving me metformin.
Fast for a week if you can, so you can at least experience that you don't really need as much food as you think, and find the reasons why you're over eating. Make sure to hydrate with electrolyte water (salt, potassium) minimum.
Don't get diabetes it's a fucking pain and expensive not worth the tubs of ice cream or whatever it is you're eating.

>>17865644
>>17865733
The /fit/ to /biz/ pipeline is real.
https://youtu.be/DDnCEMz1OB4

>>17867858
Better than dying from intractable epilepsy

>>17867825
Are you claiming that diabetes is not caused by excessive sugar consumption

>>17867870
Eggs are fine. I would watch the bacon, but every other day you should be fine.

>>17865615
Do keto m, there are many cases of people reversing their diabetes by doing low carb.

>>17867825
Hmm read some semi-schizo stuff yesterday that diabetes is caused by PUFAs from processed seed oils and shit. Something about hibernation and storing fat and such (possibly not) nonsense.

>>17865615
Beans and lentils are good.

https://www.budgetbytes.com/louisiana-red-beans-rice/ (just skip the sausage, skip the rice too or use brown)

Vegetables are healthy, but the reality is most people are not going to eat plain broccoli. My advice is to make yourself want to eat vegetables by making them slightly more calorific.
https://thewoksoflife.com/garlicky-broccoli/ here's a good broccoli recipe. 4 cups of broccoli is a fair amount, probably two meals worth. You can cut the oil from a tablespoon too.


Track everything you eat bro, use something like this: https://cronometer.com/ weigh and measure stuff. People try to eyeball things and just completely fuck it up.

>>17868528
I have made both of those recipes and they rule by the way

I was prediabetic too OP, largely due to excessive appetite because of an antipsychotic medication
There are no gimmicks to solve this. Eat better food and smaller portion sizes. This will put you in calorie deficit and you will lose weight. Also, exercise you lazy fuck

>>17868321
>Better than dying from intractable epilepsy
Apparently it isn't better since more than half the subjects dropped out.

>>17866522
>I said I'm prediabetes. no insulin involved. for now.
Your body naturally releases insulin when consuming carbs. It's not a bad thing as it's your body's way of maintaining the right blood sugar levels. It becomes a problem when your body is constantly releasing insulin though, eventually it just can't deal with that anymore. That's why fasting or going down to one/two meals a day with no snacking is good for prediabetics, it helps restore insulin sensitivity and will usually result in some weight loss too. Exercise can also help increase insulin sensitivity.

You just don't want to be eating multiple times a day and constantly snacking and especially drinking soda or stuff like that. It just causes your body to have to produce too much insulin all the time.

>>17868327
>Are you claiming that diabetes is not caused by excessive sugar consumption
That's not some speculative claim. The standard consensus is that neither sugar nor macronutrient ratio causes type 2 diabetes. The one factor that is well supported as predictive of type 2 diabetes is being overweight. Sugar only "causes" diabetes in the sense that it has calories and eating too many calories will make you overweight. Look at pretty much any mainstream / official source for information on type 2 diabetes and they'll point that out. Sugar matter a lot for people who already have diabetes. That's what the disease entails: impaired ability to process sugar. But that impairment is the result, not the cause. A normal healthy person doesn't become diabetic just because their diet contains sugar. They become diabetic more than 90% of the time because they ate to excess and were overweight. Like I posted earlier, you can see for yourself it's the standard accepted account for how type 2 diabetes works:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/diabetes-food-myths/myth-sugar-causes-diabetes
>With Type 2 diabetes, though we know sugar doesn’t directly cause Type 2 diabetes, you are more likely to get it if you are overweight. You gain weight when you take in more calories than your body needs, and sugary foods and drinks contain a lot of calories.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23880355
>In the present study, we investigated the association between dietary intake of carbohydrates and the risk of type 2 diabetes.
>These prospective findings suggest that the intakes of starch and sucrose are not associated, but that those of fructose and glucose are inversely associated with diabetes risk.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
>Is diabetes caused by eating sugar?
>A diet high in calories from any source (including sugar) contributes to weight gain and weight gain increases your risk for type 2 diabetes.

>>17867850
Just pure lies lmfao. Why do you fags seethe so much about low carb and fasting???

>>17867858
Just dont eat oxalates and drink snake juice

just move more lol

>>17865615
>>17865630
Fasting reverses diabetes all the time. Save your life.

>>17868790
It's not a lie you idiot. Before insulin treatment was developed type 1 diabetes was a death sentence.
Do you seriously think all those dead children just needed to eat bacon and eggs and they'd be cured? lol.
>The "Hughes Child," as Dr. Wilder would later refer to her, was kept alive by Dr. Allen's special ketogenic diet. After several years on the treatment, she weighed 45 pounds and was barely able to walk.
>Some patients were living for three, four or five years after the onset of diabetes, provided they adhered strictly to the feeding regimen.
https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2015/06/17/a-line-in-the-sand-mayo-clinics-role-in-insulin-research-2/
Three years of extra living in exchange for weighing 45 pounds and the inability to use your legs.
Gonna go ahead and say that's not a great treatment option for type 1 diabetics compared to insulin shots.

>>17868888
type 2 only, obviously

>>17868889
Who the fuck is saying do one or the other???? Are you actually autistic because if so you need to warn us so we know we're dealing with someone who doesn't understand nuance. Also look into keto for autistics (like you) and the benefits they derive from it

Stop eating 3 meals a day. Eat healthy foods including carbohydrates. Just don't overdo the carbs. Eat more lean protein like eggs and lean meat, and especially fish. You don't need keto. You don't need fasting either, although fasting is not an unhealthy practice and good for losing weight more quickly. Get more exercise.

t. biologist

>>17868905
>Who the fuck is saying do one or the other????
There was a context of replies you brainlet. Here, I'll help you read.
Claim ('ketogenic diet was tried for type 1 diabetes back before insulin treatment existed and didn't work well'):
>>17867850
>He's right that ketogenic diet was tried for type 1 diabetes back before they had insulin treatment for it.
>It didn't work well at all though so it's kind of stupid to bring it up.
Reply to claim ('u r lying durr'):
>>17868790
>Just pure lies lmfao. Why do you fags seethe so much about low carb and fasting???
Reply to reply ('here's proof that isn't a lie'):
>>17868889
>Three years of extra living in exchange for weighing 45 pounds and the inability to use your legs.

>>17868931
So what according to you chemotherapy doesn't work well if one's quality of life decreases in return for a longer life????? Seriously you need to start keto to treat your autism

>>17865615
You need to be getting most of your calories from starchy carbohydrates.
Load up on pasta and potatoes. Keep it simple.
Google the Food Pyramid, it’s an old concept but just as true today as it’s ever been.

>>17868906
pretty much this

>>17868942
>So what according to you chemotherapy doesn't work well if one's quality of life decreases in return for a longer life?????
Try to think for a minute if maybe there's something different about the juvenile diabetes case that isn't true of your attempted chemo for cancer analogy.
Like maybe instead of being 45 pounds and crippled in exchange for living to age 12 somehow a much more effective alternative treatment was developed that allowed these diabetics to not have to waste away and die before hitting puberty.
Maybe something called "insulin," I dunno. Let me go ahead and reply preemptively to your next post while I'm at it:
>durr why not both keto and insulin???
Because there was a context of replies and the argument was about something else, not that. Not that keto's necessarily a great idea for modern type 1 diabetics either, but that's a separate argument.

>>17868953
>the Food Pyramid
wasn't that proved to be just USDA propaganda to get people to eat more grain?

>>17868953
Exactly wrong.

>>17867845
I've been a type 1 for over 30 years. When I was a kid they pushed the bullshit high-carb diets and the "carb counting" method. It's a retarded ass diet for both type 1 and type 2 diabetics. At best, if I lived life as a fucking robot I had an A1c of 7.5-8. With low-carb/keto I consistently get 5.5-6 without trying. No highs, no lows. The establishment designed it to sell cereal and drugs.

>>17867696
And I'm glad for this. I've had endos who despise me for not eating carbs. Younger diabetics are getting much better treatment and medical advice. Seethe, big pharma.

>>17865615
I will bless you with the forbidden knowledge, child. 18 hard boiled eggs, with your choice of a dipping sauce as long as you don't go overboard. Take two multivitamin with a glass of milk. Eat nothing else, drinking nothing else but water.

Your body will transform.

>>17869214
18 hard boiled eggs over the course of the whole day? Any kind of schedule?

>>17865615
chicken breast, isolate protein, all veggies, synthetic sugar bullshit is smaller quantities