Handheld Knife Sharpeners

[Anonymous No.17648872]

What the fuck is up with these things? I've sharpened my knives to razorpoints with a whetstone before, but every time I try one of these handheld knife sharpeners, the knife ends up even duller than when I started, borderline serrated with a fucked up edge. Has anyone on here used these with some degree of success?

[Anonymous No.17648878]

works perfectly every time.

[Anonymous No.17648885]

>>17648872
I hate them and always reccomend people take the hour or two and learn to use a $50 dollar splash and go whetstone that lasts like 20 years.

My guess is that they work better on softer steel like ultra shit stainless knives and german styled chefs knives.

They'll fuck a 65 hrc jap knife up real bad.

[Anonymous No.17648907]

yeah theyre shit. either learn to sharpen using a whetstone or go to a professional sharpener. i go to my local restaurant supply store and they charge $5 a blade

[Anonymous No.17648911]

>>17648885
Forgot to mention.

Lansky-style sharpening systems are for lazy people. They are slower than a proficient freehand whetstone sharpener.

The tormec is severe overkill if you're only using it on your personal kitchen knives.

Worksharp electric sharpener ruins the temper on your knife.

Diamond plates are the most efficient, but are not fun to use.

Japanese synthetics are great.

Japanese natural stones are a bit slower than synthetics, but are a joy to use and create fantastic edges.

[Anonymous No.17648970]

>>17648872
>claims to get razor-edge with whetstone
>lol omg how does pullthrough work
Gonna have to throw a bullshit larp-flag on your bullshit.
There’s less than zero chance that someone who understands the principles of sharpening to the point of proficiently using stones is completely mystified by a pull-through sharpener and how to at least get a serviceable result from it.

Chances are you don’t know jack shit about knife-sharpening, bought this style of sharpener, aren’t getting the results you want and wish to know why.
In which case you should just ask instead of larping like a fag.

[Anonymous No.17648992]

>>17648970
This.

>>17648872
OP post timestamped whetstone and a close up of the edge of one of your knives, or be forgotten to the annals of time, dying in loneliness and destitution.

[Anonymous No.17649011]

>>17648970
>Chances are you don’t know jack shit about knife-sharpening, bought this style of sharpener, aren’t getting the results you want and wish to know why.
You'd think so but here I fucking am. Spent most of my youth in the BSA so I spent a shit ton of time sharpening knives both for outdoor and culinary use, I'm almost impressed by how consistently I've never gotten these things to work. Moved out of my parents last year, they gave me this but I left my whetstones there, gonna have to go buy a new one I guess because I literally couldn't cut the mustard with this shitty handheld sharpener.

[Anonymous No.17649017]

>>17648970
He didn't say razor-edge, he said razor points, kek.
That said, pull sharpeners are shit and I wouldn't be surprised if a skilled sharpener still couldn't get a good result from it. The scratch pattern is fucked, good luck getting a sharp apex from that.

[Anonymous No.17649029]

>>17649011
What's your favorite brand of whetstone and your finishing grit?

The method of action of pull throughs is quite different, so you may need to mess with the amount/direction of pressure you're applying.

[Anonymous No.17649062]

>>17649029
I had a three piece set, no idea what brand it was, it was 360, 1000, 3000, never tried a higher grit than that for finishing, don't know if it'd be worth it, cutting paper thin tomato slices wasn't a trend back in 2010.

[Anonymous No.17649111]

>>17648872
Most are shit and the ones that aren't are best for relatively soft & thin blades. For instance I've found them very useful for machetes. They might work fairly well on super cheap kitchen knives but I wouldn't use one on anything remotely expensive.

[Anonymous No.17649145]

>>17649011
>doubling down
Okay Brayden.
>>17649017
>kek
Zoom along, zoomie.
>>17649062
>I had
Then why don’t you currently “have”?
Please tell us more of your riveting story, anon. It’s awesome how whetstones magically worked for you.

[Anonymous No.17649146]

I remember when I used to make 16$ an hour and had a pull through

[Anonymous No.17649337]

I got a cheap one from Amazon and it does a legitimately good job when I can't be bothered getting my stones out.
It probably takes a little more steel off the knife that I would with a stone, but it's no big deal really.

[Anonymous No.17649418]

>>17649146
And now you have an overpriced toy made for people with disabilities. Your life is so sick

[Anonymous No.17649441]

>>17649418
>BRO IT'S MORE EFFICIENT TO SET THIS SHIT UP AND CLAMP MY KNIFE IN AND SWIPEY SWIPEY FLIPPY FLIPPY NO SKILLS.

[Anonymous No.17649562]

I bought some cheap walmart knife like 15 years ago and never sharpened it once. I threw it in drawers and ran it in the dishwasher tons of times. the edge was so fucked it looked serrated. it took me like an hour but I managed to fix it with only an arkansas stone and a ceramic stone. is sharpening autism just a meme?

[Anonymous No.17649608]

>>17648885
Ressources on how to learn whetstone sharpening ? Or is it just mostly trial and error ?

[Anonymous No.17649636]

>>17649608
id check the library to see if they have a book on it

[Anonymous No.17649720]

>>17649608
If you ask fifteen "experts" you'll get twenty different answers. Really, as long as you keep the stone wet, and the blade at the right angle there isn't a lot that can go wrong. The steel honing rod is for straightening out the edge after anyway.

[Anonymous No.17649761]

>>17648872
If you buy cheap knives, fuck off. If you buy mid-range knives, sharpeners are fine and you keep the edge with a honing rod. If you're cooking Japanese sushi or some shit then buy your several hundred dollar katana(s) and devote yourself to the art of honing

[Anonymous No.17649773]

>>17648872
I've got the one sharpener one that Americas test kitchen recommended, and a 3 sharpener one I bought from the local supermarket. Both are excellent and have inflicted wounds on people insufficiently afraid of knives.

[Anonymous No.17649778]

>>17648911
>Lansky-style sharpening systems are for lazy people. They are slower than a proficient freehand whetstone sharpener
Only for touch ups, for a full sharpen they are better and faster and can be used while sitting and watching television

[Anonymous No.17649782]

>>17649761
Nah, buy a cheap knife and fuck your metal saving measures, use one of these once a week.

[Anonymous No.17649788]

>>17649778
>watching television
Their target demographic.
You disgust me.

[Anonymous No.17649799]

>>17648878
the fucking breadknife
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.17649957]

I just use pic related. Works like a charm. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.17649961]

>>17648911
>Lansky-style sharpening systems are for lazy people. They are slower than a proficient freehand whetstone sharpener.
They are consistent and require little to no skill. I sharpen one or two knives a couple times a year. I will never build the muscle memory to be a "proficient freehand whetstone sharpener".
I can just sit down with my sharpening system for a half an hour max and get a perfectly sharp knife every time.

[Anonymous No.17649976]

>>17648872
I use an angle grinder. Easy as.

[Anonymous No.17649979]

>>17649788
Enjoy standing at your counter telling yourself you're a grown up, I'll be relaxing and both our knives will be just as sharp

[Anonymous No.17650141]

>>17649418
Toy? But where's the fun
>>17649441
You need a hug? Post your whetstones

[Anonymous No.17650189]

>>17648885
half the whetstone larpers don't know how to fucking sharpen that either and they haven't even heard of burr.

[Anonymous No.17650342]

I've never gotten the handheld sharpeners to work either and I own like three of them which is a shame because I actually use knives quite often at work and would like an easier way to just do it with no effort. Sometimes I get them to reach a somewhat sharpened edge and then when I pull them through a few more times to refine it the blade fucking goes back to being dull. Truly a mystery. Just use a whetstone, there's no fucking those up.

[Anonymous No.17650410]

>>17649778
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Want a little hint as to the only time they're good? When you're making a knife and you need to set a precise angle initially. After that you're wasting time using one. It looks like your little toy doesn't go below 15 degrees, which is a major failure, btw.

>>17649961
30 minutes is like a year when sharpening free hand.

>>17650141
My synthetics or naturals?

[Anonymous No.17650420]

>>17648872
I have one that I've never used.
Because of this thread I went over to goodwill and bought a really cheap used knife I could test it on.
My conclusion is that it works alright as a replacement for an extremely rough stone but you're still going to need to use something finer afterwards.
I might move it from my kitchen to the garden and use it for the abused knifes I use to trim bushes etc. but I would not use it as my only means of sharpening kitchen knifes.

[Anonymous No.17650425]

>>17650410
I have plenty of free time, I don't mind losing a couple minutes a year

[Anonymous No.17650427]

>>17650189
>and they haven't even heard of burr.
Of course we've heard of Burr. He was in Star Wars ffs

[Anonymous No.17650467]

>>17649146
I need one of these nigurz.
I can't be fucked to learn to use 5 different stones just to sharpen two knives a year.

[Anonymous No.17650475]

>>17650467
You only need one stone, maybe 2 if you're a casual.

[Anonymous No.17651017]

>>17650467
It's worth it, inexpensive too. I paid about 90$ CDN
>>17650410
Post whetstones

[Anonymous No.17651024]

>>17650410
That's all you need

[Anonymous No.17651034]

This little wheely boi does about 90% as good a job as one of those multi stone perfect angle $1000 contraptions and takes about 99% less time.

[Anonymous No.17651038]

>>17650342
Most common mistake is not holding the knife perfectly straight. If you’re holding it even slightly angled, you’re basically running the edge along the grinding surface and suddenly “dulling” the knife instead of sharpening.

[Anonymous No.17651048]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDyYJJ6f9M

[Anonymous No.17651051]

>>17651034
>spend 20sec sharpening knife
>spend several minutes spinning the wheels for entertainment
They still consume just as much time, just not the sharpening part.

[Anonymous No.17651200]

>>17648872
I just use a sharpening steel to hone it and take it to pic when I feel it needs proper sharpening.

[Anonymous No.17651314]

>>17651017
>>17650141
Here's most of them. Lots of extrenely high quality japanese natural whetstones. Have a box of naguras and a full set of shapton glass not pictured.

[Anonymous No.17651327]

>>17651048
Interesting

[Anonymous No.17651541]

>>17651314
I just did a reverse image search and it says you downloaded that pic from gaylarper.com.

[Anonymous No.17651616]

>>17648878
>that bread knife
Based

[Anonymous No.17651720]

>>17651541
Okay copelet.

[Anonymous No.17651753]

>>17651720
>posts image sans timestamp
Gets called out
>you're a copelet
(whatever that means – I don't speak newfriend)

[Anonymous No.17651759]

>>17651314
Lame as fuck if true

[Anonymous No.17651770]

>>17651753
>>17651541
Anyone else want to doubt before I post a timestamp and prove you wrong?

[Anonymous No.17651996]

>>17651770
>an hour later

[Anonymous No.17652030]

>>17651770
Don't forget shoe on head, wanker. Then go back to /b/.

[Anonymous No.17652044]

>>17651770
Lol go for it.
Because the guy who posted those whetstones in a past thread was an absolute faggot.
So by all means, confirm you are that faggot.

[Anonymous No.17652084]

Lmao Honelets.

[Anonymous No.17652122]

>>17652084
Nice photoshop

[Anonymous No.17652294]

>>17652122
You're funny.

[Anonymous No.17652297]

>>17652084
Where do you get these kinostones?

[Anonymous No.17652345]

>>17652084
Fucking lol
>oh hey look at this silver ingot
You literally could not be a more colossal faggot.

[Anonymous No.17652354]

>>17652297
Japanesenaturalstones.com he also has sweet handmade jap knives.
And tomo nagura on etsy are two reputable sources. There's loads of fakes, so I don't advise buying on ebay.

They both have great starter stones for around 100 bucks. It's good to start off with an inexpensive medium soft stone for knife sharpening if you're a beginner with jnats. Jnats can get insanely expensive for weird japanese reasons.

[Anonymous No.17652361]

I got the cope(>>17652122)

Aaaaand I got the seethe (>>17652345)

Thank you, gentlemen. A (you) for each of you.

[Anonymous No.17652467]

>>17652361
>cope/seethe
>mom said anyone who laughs at me is just jealous
Zoomlet detected.
“Showing off” a silver ingot worth significantly less than a fucking iPhone is gay as fuck. Sorry to break it to you.

[Anonymous No.17652494]

>>17652467
He's seething so much he let his stupid spill out! Lmfao!

[Anonymous No.17652573]

I wish you poorfags were my friends so I could buy nice japanese knives for you and put an end to all the cope & suffering

[Anonymous No.17652637]

>>17652573
Severely based. I would do the same except with jnats. If you were good enough I may even let you try some of my nice ones.

[Anonymous No.17652780]

>>17652084
are you 10 years old

[Anonymous No.17652807]

>>17652494
lol no Brayden.
1kg of silver could not buy a new iPhone. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

[Anonymous No.17652883]

>>17652807
Changing the goalposts like a little seethlet I see. Doesn't really matter because that wasn't why I called you stupid. Now seethe more for me! It's hilarious.

>>17652780
Let me tell you a little story.

>give honest opinions on sharpening knives
>asked to show whetstones
>I do
>people start screeching at me that they aren't mine
>prove that they are
>screeching intensifies

If you can't have a little fun with the seethlets, copelets, and honelets why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.17652951]

>>17649062
Anything past 3000 grit is absolute overkill and can be achieved with a leather strap with some compound. I usually have a green and red compound i use to polish the edge after the act. Also, using said leather before any use will get make your edge stat sharp for longer.

[Anonymous No.17652993]

>>17652883
>Changing the goalposts like a little seethlet I see
Holy fuck you really are a retarded zoomer. For one, it’s “moving”, not “changing” goalposts.
I only called you a massive faggot.
And then you proved you’re a an even more massive faggot.
The only thing that was “moved” is the bar for being a massive faggot. And you raised it yourself.

[Anonymous No.17653062]

>>17652993
Seethe! How about you post your stones big boy? Choosing to be pedantic is true seethlet behavior. You still don't understand why I called you stupid for what you said and it's still hilarious how much you're seething.

I know a lot more than you about knives, sharpening knives, and whetstones. You could be learning something from me, but instead you choose to act like a little sourpuss. Your behaviour speaks volumes about you.

Now continue with the seethe by avoiding what I'm saying. It's amusing me to no end.

[Anonymous No.17653157]

>>17651314
now THIS is knifefagging. godspeed, anon

[Anonymous No.17653183]

>>17653062
Nah, you have a drawer of stones and are a wannabe blacksmith, as you’ve shown in past threads.
And you’re so upset about being laughed at that you’re literally going full “no u!”
You’re a fag, your silver ingot is less valuable than an iPhone, and screeching “seethe” is just sad.
You’re the absolute picture of insecurity.

[Anonymous No.17653241]

>>17653183
Figured as much from a loser like you. Can't contribute to the conversation except for screeching like the sad little manchild you are.
The funny thing is you're so insecure you can't even put yourself out there, not even in the slightest. Show your whetstones, bro. Show me a knife you made. Something or I'm done having fun with you and your seething.

>>17653157
It gets worse, but I will only be attacked by ankle biting dweebs for talking about it with you guys.

[Anonymous No.17653243]

>>17653183
he was asked to "post stones", he responded with an impressive collection of stones. any attempt to turn this into an own on him is cope. I say this as a neutral third party who doesn't see the point of natural stones. the way the argument unfolded, he won

[Anonymous No.17653251]

>>17651314
are you a museum curator?

[Anonymous No.17653267]

I think the stone collection is neat desu

[Anonymous No.17653275]

>>17653251
No, but a handful of them would be considered collector's pieces. One of the stones I have was probably mined from some of the original "koma nagura" mines during the edo period, so anywhere from 150-400 years ago.

Koma nagura is one of the stones used traditionally for katana polishing, so it probably passed through the hands of a few badass katana polishers on its way to me.

[Anonymous No.17653311]

>This amount of faggotry over knife sharpening when 90% of you fucking retards talk about nothing but fast food every day

[Anonymous No.17653354]

wow... this is such an interesting fight that I'm wading into... anyway here is my 2 cents as a layman

— poorfags are generally right and my gut is with them on a lot of things. it's probably dumb to spend $1000 on a knife and dumb to spend $500 on a 'natural stone', there really is snake oil out there and often hobbyists who are otherwise very knowledgeable fall for this stuff
— poorfags are also copelets and fall for different kinds of marketed bullshit: cheap trash that promises to be good enough, but isn't
— freehand on a stone looks like a rich man's hobby, it has a smell of japanophilia to it, sounds like something for aimless trust fund dudes who dream of becoming something authentic, like a knifemaker
— sometimes that rich loser with an expensive hobby is also the most knowledgeable guy in the thread, and if that annoys you and makes you seethe you might make a fool of yourself
— freehand on a stone is a very practical way to sharpen knives because it's fast and versatile. the skills you develop also help with stropping, reprofiling, and also sharpening other tools like specialized trade knives, chisels, etc. and some stones are pretty cheap
— showing off that you have a useless $900 asset like a piece of silver is a dumb flex, but insisting that it's less of a flex than owning a new iphone is dumb. that's $900 of shiny useless value. to give an extreme example, owning a $15,000 gold chain is a bigger flex than owning a $16,000 Honda Fit...

[Anonymous No.17653433]

>>17653354
I appreciate your level headedness on the "discussion" we've been having.

Just to expand a bit on the subject of jnats and their value because it's a little weird aka japan.

You can get natural stones that are similarly priced to synthetics for freehand sharpening. They work well, but are generally worse overall compared to synthetics of comparable value.

Now when we get into a 500 dollar stone or a 3000 dollar stone what makes them worth that? Is it purely performance? Not at all. Much of the value of a stone is where it came from, the shape of it, the patterning of the stone, and the overall consistency or how "clean" it is.

You can almost think of them as a precious gem in a way. The most sought after stones are not only the prettiest, but the performance combined with how much visual appearance they have is what creates a rarer more valuable stone.

For example lets say a stone that is 1" x 3 x 8.5 costs 1000 as a baseline. If it has a skin or attractive "kawa" on the bottom it could be worth more like 1300. If that stone on the other hand is an odd shape, or a "koppa" it may only be worth 400 dollars. Same exact performance.

Snake oil or just another highly valued rock, but with a purpose is up to you.

As for performance there is evidence that naturals create better edges. Especially on straight razors. Longer lasting on chisels and knives.

They're usually slower than synthetics. If you know how to use a Jnat well it can range from 1000 grit up to 5000 or thereabouts just by modifying technique.

There's a lot more I could say, but hopefully this is enough for a basic idea of the snake oil point you have.

[Anonymous No.17653522]

>>17653433
to be clear, I didn't say that natural stones are snake oil, only that snake oil does exist and they sound a little suspect to me. but I only said "probably dumb". I can't speak with certainty on something I have no experience with. this is why I also don't have a firm opinion about those deer bones for shoe polishing, but I do have my doubts...

[Anonymous No.17653555]

>>17648878
>bread knife to cutting knife
there is a first for everything.

[Anonymous No.17653567]

>>17652084
It's the fifth, you silly bastard.

[Anonymous No.17653583]

>>17653522
Gotcha. There's "snake oil" within natural stones 100%, particularly in the straight razor honing community.

More specific to jnats there are a few examples. One is stamps. Stones are often times stamped with the mountain/ mining company they were mined from. These stamps can be forged, also you can have a stone from the same vein, but because it was taken from a "lower quality" mountain it will be much lower value.

Natural stones absolutely have their place in the honing/sharpening world. Jnats are fairly unique in that world and have the potential to produce fantastic results.

Jnats are also an irreplaceable part of katana polishing.

[Anonymous No.17653602]

anyone in this thread smoke wead

[Anonymous No.17653616]

>>17653602
I did a yolo and legally grew an excess last year my first time growing it. Came out dank AF, bro. No I will not post time stamped pictures of if either. Lifetime supply with how little I get faded.

Getting stoned and honing a razor on a sweet jnat is a really great time. Very zen.

[Anonymous No.17653651]

>>17649608
I just got one and it took me two tries to get my knife sharp as fuck. First time i used the little angle guide that came with it and i was too gentle. Basically i didnt do sgit. Second time i just went for it. No guide and plenty of pressure.
Just dont think too hard man its easy as fuck

[Anonymous No.17653660]

>>17649608
blade sharpening fundamentals by murray carter is a good video, it's free on his youtube and it has a comfy vibe, he is nice to listen to. watch that plus a few more videos to see some alternative techniques, then start practicing and find what works best for you

[Anonymous No.17654339]

>>17653243
>say this as a neutral third party
So obviously samefagging. Even if you're not, silver ingot boy is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.17654346]

>>17653275
>badass katana polishers
My sides

[Anonymous No.17655068]

>>17654339
>So obviously samefagging
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy... e.g. sometimes anonymous posters will agree with one another