Keto/Low Carb foods. Keto Chads.

[Anonymous No.17470686]

Post your favourite keto meals.

I once weighed 350 pounds and had terrible dermatitis, now weight 185. Have kept it off for 3 years and the deramtitus flair-ups are basically non existnt.

Love Me Steak
Love Me Avocados
Love Me Chicken
Love Me Turkey Legs
Love Me Cheddar Cheese
Love Me Eggs.

[Anonymous No.17470692]

>>17470686
Recently hopped back on keto, stopped doing it for a year and went full fat-fuck again.

Health food shop near mine does some passable low-carb wrap bread that I love to fill with chilli chicken.

[Anonymous No.17470697]

>>17470686
How to do it cheaply, anon? I need to save some bucks.

[Anonymous No.17470702]

>>17470692
>was keto
>rebounded because keto isnt sustainable

Many such cases

[Anonymous No.17470705]

>>17470702
It is sustainable. You just need to have self control, it's the same for every diet. I've been on keto for 8 years now.

[Anonymous No.17470719]

>>17470697
Where do you live? meat varies depending on country/ready availability. If you're in a region where meat is more expensive, go for the cheaper meats and taste them all and see which one you like.

Same goes for fish. Fast too.

[Anonymous No.17470765]

>>17470719
Connecticut and sometimes cuckfornia if i visit my brother

[Anonymous No.17470771]

>>17470702
Got a girlfriend who bakes sweets for a hobby but doesn't eat them herself.

Played taste tester for a year, but explained at the start of this year I'm going back on so I can feel less like shit.

[Anonymous No.17470777]

>>17470686
Steak and broccoli. Sauteed in butter of course. Easy and tasty

[Anonymous No.17470862]

I’ve been making turkey taco bowls with cauliflower rice

[Anonymous No.17470872]

>>17470686
Bacon and eggs is a staple for me.

[Anonymous No.17471172]

always surprises me how everyone on this board is from connecticut
i did keto for a couple years. steak and salad was the meal, but this was a few years ago before steak was $20/lb. kielbasa and sauerkraut constantly. always many boxes of bubba burgers in the freezer which were always versatile
many omelets too

[Anonymous No.17471268]

>>17470702
It's because keto is retarded if you don't have an actual medical reason to do it.

Reducing your carbs and processed foods and increasing your protein and 'safe' fat sources is all well and good, but throwing your body into ketosis isn't necessarily an easy or safe thing to do, and it's rarely sustainable.

People are constantly trying to use 'trend diets' as shortcuts instead of changing their relationship with food.

[Anonymous No.17471379]

>>17471268
it is absolutely safe
it was a fad a few years ago, but keto has been there especially for athletes since the 70's. realistically just cutting carbs is going to work for most people, and blasting fats is only there to provide a structure to the actual diet and give people some kind of relief.
just remove carbs

[Anonymous No.17471574]

So I dropped a lot of weight a few years back, but now i'm working a desk job and starting to put it back on, so I'm starting a more regular exercise plan and dieting.

What are some good bread alternatives? I really like sandwiches so I'm trying to find a good low carb bread that doesn't taste like ass, or some sort of substitute. I know lettuce can be used in place of bread, but are there any other recommendations?

[Anonymous No.17472443]

>>17470686
Been doing keto + one meal a day since october (with a break during christmas). I've lost 21,5 kilos so far, from 105kg to 83,5.
Idk when i'm going to quit, but i will at some point. I miss bread waaaaayyyy too much, it's literally the only hard part about keto to me. That and you're kinda limited when it comes to sauces if you don't like hot sauce.

>Pork chops
>Neck chops
>Chicken legs
>Salmon
>Steak
>Pizza from cauliflower and cheese (too much effort though)
>99% Ground beef burgers
>Eggs
>Cheese
>Broccoli and cauliflower
>A cheap premade bearnaise sauce with pretty much no carbs
I try to eat around 1500 calories a day, but to do so without eating too much protein can be a little challenging. I've found my solution though, 100g cans of liver pate and mackerel in tomato sauce, both having around 230 calories each. Cheap as fuck too.

Like >>17471574 i too would LOVE some kind of bread.
I've heard of almond flour bread, has anyone here tried it? Is it actually keto friendly?

[Anonymous No.17472449]

>>17470702
>keto isnt sustainable
ESL here, what do people actually mean when they say this?
That you can't do it for a long time?
That it's easier to gain the weight back again than with other diets?

[Anonymous No.17472520]

>>17472443
>i too would LOVE some kind of bread
Cloud bread nigga. Egg and cream cheese based.

>>17472449
>>keto isnt sustainable
>ESL here, what do people actually mean when they say this?
They mean people can't remain disciplined and stick to the diet for very long. However it's usually moronic vegans saying that.

[Anonymous No.17472524]

>>17472449
eating whatever i want and injecting insulin is more fun

[Anonymous No.17472533]

>>17472449
That you can't do it for a long time. All diets are like that though, most dieters desist and put their weight back on. It's not a problem of the diets so much as a problem with the way obesity is enabled and catered to. If it was an actual problem to be fat, people wouldn't be fat.

[Anonymous No.17472534]

>>17471379
>but keto has been there especially for athletes since the 70's
Show me athletes who are on keto

[Anonymous No.17472556]

>>17472534
Bruce Fordyce

[Anonymous No.17472557]

>>17472520
>people can't remain disciplined and stick to the diet for very long
>>17472533
>That you can't do it for a long time
Lmao. So it's just fat, lazy and undetermined people coping?
Thanks. Now i feel pretty good, because keto is seriously among the easiest things i've ever done.

>>17472524
You do you

[Anonymous No.17472571]

>>17472556
Go on

[Anonymous No.17472579]

>>17472534
arnold

[Anonymous No.17472589]

>>17472571
Sami Inkinen

[Anonymous No.17472615]

>>17472520
>Cloud bread
Damn dude, this looks promising.
But how do you calculate the calories?
I found this recipe
>https://www.wholesomeyum.com/recipes/4-ingredient-mascarpone-cloud-bread-low-carb-gluten-free/
The nutrition facts state that it's 98 calories "per serving". But what is one serving? It says 1 serving is 1 "oopsie roll", but you can make one roll any size.
I find stuff like that a little frustrating. Why not go by weight, 100g like most people do?

[Anonymous No.17472644]

>>17472589
Doesn't even have a wiki page. He's an athlete the same way my nan who jogs around the neighborhood is an athlete.
Go ahead and name 10 keto athletes. Real athletes not some literally whos.

[Anonymous No.17472647]

>>17472644
why lie when its so easy to show you are full of shit?
>Bruce Noel Stevenson Fordyce (born 3 December 1955 in Hong Kong) is a South African marathon and ultramarathon athlete. He is best known for having won the South African Comrades Marathon a record nine times, of which eight wins were consecutive. He also won the London to Brighton Ultramarathon three years in a row. He is the former world record holder over 50 miles and the former world record holder over 100 km.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Fordyce

[Anonymous No.17472649]

>>17472579
Are you fucking nuts?

[Anonymous No.17472652]

>>17472647
Lol are you dense?

[Anonymous No.17472665]

>>17472652
>we are rowing across the Pacific Ocean, 2400+ miles from San Francisco to Hawaii, completely unsupported
https://www.fatchancerow.org/
Im sure your nan could do that

[Anonymous No.17472679]

>>17472579
Wouldn't he have eaten carbs and as well as protein so he could bulk? I'm not a fitfag but it seems to make sense to me. Oats are also filled with carbs and are healthy for you. Carbs don't automatically imply refined sugar.

[Anonymous No.17472681]

>>17470686
quick rundown? im also a fat fuck, and i was ona keto for almost half a year a few years ago and i actually felt amazing, but for some reason that i dont even remember now i quit it. i also have a psoriasis problem(its not bad, just a small area on my palm, but its annoying), do you think returning to keto would help?

[Anonymous No.17472695]

>>17472665
I'm not gonna debate with you what an athlete is.
Go on and name 10 keto athletes.

[Anonymous No.17472766]

>>17472695
While we wait for this faggot to Google his keto athletes, let me show some random literally whos who is NOT on keto.
First up, Ronaldo

[Anonymous No.17472773]

>>17472766
Second, Federer

[Anonymous No.17472790]

>>17472773
Third, Phelps

[Anonymous No.17472812]

>>17472790
Fourth, Magnus Carlsen

[Anonymous No.17472834]

>>17472812
Fifth, Nico Rosberg

[Anonymous No.17472838]

Beef is cheap as shit now

[Anonymous No.17472846]

>angry vegans spamming the thread with generic athletes
yawn

>>17472443
>>17472520
My dudes, the best bread substitute is chaffles. I eat carnivore chaffles (egg, mozarella) but there's a ton of chaffle recipes with different tastes and textures. Serious Keto has a chaffle 'wonderbread' that is a good substitute for untoasted white bread.

I eat breakfast sandwiches every day. It's also great for burgers. You sort of need a Dash mini to make them because other waffle makers aren't the perfect size and thickness.

Don't sleep on chaffles. I don't even miss burger buns or sandwich bread.

[Anonymous No.17472851]

[Anonymous No.17472852]

>>17472834
Sixth, Yao Ming

[Anonymous No.17472856]

>>17472790
Literal drug addict

>>17472812
Lost to an indian child

Not doing too well

[Anonymous No.17472864]

>>17472852
Seventh, Bolt

[Anonymous No.17472882]

>>17470702
the hardest part is not letting carbs slip back into your lifestyle
or if you're a woman and need sugar

but a lax keto diet is absolutely sustainable and should be aspired to

[Anonymous No.17472884]

>>17472864
Eighth, Manny Pacquiao

[Anonymous No.17472886]

>>17472615
Seriously, give chaffles a try. I eat a fried egg chaffle sandwich every day. My chaffle recipe is

- 1 egg
- grated mozarella equal to the weight of the egg

Cook for 7 minutes. Makes 2 chaffles. I have the dash mini that makes 4 at a time.

[Anonymous No.17472894]

>>17472884
What a lardass

[Anonymous No.17472903]

>>17472615
Chaffles are also amazing for burgers.

[Anonymous No.17472913]

Keto is perfectly fine for loosing like 10 pounds for a couple of months (but any restricted food diet works the same, keto is not so special) , but doing it as a long term diet is not good for your health
ketosis is an emergency state of your body, you shouldn't stress it for long period of time

[Anonymous No.17472920]

>>17472681
You just eat unlimited amounts of zero carb foods. Meat, eggs, aged cheese. Avoid carbs.

It's proven to be the best diet by far. Works even better than calorie counting.

Here's some cookbooks for fancier food ideas. Personally I just keep it simple and eat burgers or bacon and eggs.
>Easy Everyday Keto: Healthy Kitchen-Perfected Recipes by America's Test Kitchen
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=673D6C15565275EB6918BE53C01D4ABA
>New Keto Cooking: Fresh Ideas for Delicious Low-Carb Meals at Home by Michael Silverstein
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=762B36A07553781BF6A456B72FE42FAE
>New Comfort Cooking: Homestyle Keto Recipes that Won't Bust Your Belt or Wallet by Michael Silverstein
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=819809CBBE4BA5DD5F335BD9FF5A6CF4

[Anonymous No.17472921]

>>17472913
> ketosis is an emergency state of your body, you shouldn't stress it for long period of time
Alongside other bad health effects that are negligible in the short term but not so in the long term

[Anonymous No.17472925]

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 8 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

[Anonymous No.17472929]

>>17472913
>>17472921
>vegans stopped crapflooding with athletes
>now they are lying about health
kek

>>17472925
Carbs are fattening. Whether that is good or bad depends on if you want to gain body fat or not.

[Anonymous No.17472934]

>>17472929
I'm not vegan, I eat a vary diet with everthing edible like a normal person
> Carbs are fattening. Whether that is good or bad depends on if you want to gain body fat or not.
> fuel makes your car weight more therefore fuel is bad for cars

[Anonymous No.17472942]

>>17472766
>>17472773
>>17472790
>>17472812
>>17472834
>>17472852
>>17472864
>>17472884
Ok so those are 8 world class athletes from 8 different sports who are NOT on keto. I could've easily listed 10 football players alone who eat carbs, but I wanted to show different players from different disciplines who all eat sugar.
>>17472846
>>17472856
Not even going to bother with these bullshit replies.
Just go ahead and name 10 keto athletes.

[Anonymous No.17472954]

>>17472934
Being obese is generally considered undesirable. I'm not going to get into a HAES argument with you.

[Anonymous No.17472959]

>>17472942
What are you trying to prove other than how extraordinarily butthurt you are about people getting healthy on a meat-based diet?

[Anonymous No.17472966]

>>17472959
I'm not butthurt. I listed athletes to reply to this post
>>17471379
>keto has been there especially for athletes since the 70's
When I asked the poster to name athletes, he could only came up with 1.

[Anonymous No.17472967]

>>17472925
It depends on what you mean by "debunking"
Loss of weight is a consolidated effect of keto but for long term diet it never had scientifi consensus and actually the problematic of a keto diet in the long term are already discussed and forecasted (not directely yet tho)

>>17472954
> Being obese is generally considered undesirable
That should be the last thing to worry about. YOu should worry about being healthy (which implies not being obese of course) but also starving for weeks makes you loose weight and you wouldn't considered it a good "diet"

>>17472959
you sound like a vegan. Keto in the long term is not healthy, it works for loosing weight, but anyone that follow keto for years is just retarded

[Anonymous No.17472975]

>>17472959
I have that body (even better) without going full keto retard.
It's called "doing workouts and not overeating"

[Anonymous No.17472985]

>>17472966
How does crapflooding the thread with athletes answer that post? He never said 100% of athletes do keto.

All you have proven is you're ultra-assmad about keto.

[Anonymous No.17473000]

>>17472985
>How does crapflooding the thread with athletes answer that post?
It shows that the vast majority of athletes, including the best of the best, eat sugar.
How does naming ONE athlete show that ">keto has been there especially for athletes since the 70's"?

[Anonymous No.17473005]

>>17472967
Keto cures modern disease and improves all markers of health. Obesity is highly correlated to disease, and keto cures obesity.

The claim that keto secretly harms health is just FUD spread by people who are very upset about people eating animals.

[Anonymous No.17473008]

>>17472920
anon, I know what keto is, as I said, I was on keto for half a year. I agree, its the only diet ever that made my actually feel great doing it.
I was asking more about the "deramtitus flair-ups are basically non existnt." part. Do you think it would help my psoriasis too?

[Anonymous No.17473011]

>>17473000
>It shows that the vast majority of athletes
8 athletes are the vast majority? It doesn't show that.

Furthermore the guy never said anything about
>majority
so again you're just demonstrating you're emotionally upset about the subject. You're not rationally responding to another post, you're flooding the thread with bullshit because you are throwing a tantrum.

[Anonymous No.17473019]

>>17473008
I think that would totally depend on how clean your diet was. Diet definitely helps skin conditions. If you want a proper elimination diet, try carnivore. That fixes anything which can be fixed with diet.

[Anonymous No.17473026]

>>17473011
I already said I could've name 10 footballers alone who eat carbs.
I never asked him to prove the majority of athletes eats carb. I only said to name 10 athletes who are on keto.
Can YOU name 10 athletes who are on keto? Stop posting your bullshit and get to the main point.

[Anonymous No.17473031]

>>17473005
> Keto cures modern disease
There are no such thing as modern disease in the sense that requires modern solution especially if the solution is a short term solution.
The solution of being healthy and not obese are the same of 100000 years ago

> The claim that keto secretly harms health is just FUD
It does not "secretly" harms you, the effects of what keto diet does in relation of the approved food and quantity are already well established in nutrition science. The only thing you can hope is that they are wrong, but if I had to bet I would just follow modern nutrition science over some modern shaman, at least unless it's prove the opposite

Speaking about being desirable and not taking into account the problems of long term keto, how smelling like shit and having bad breath turns out in desirability?

[Anonymous No.17473051]

>>17473026
This is a cooking thread for discussing keto recipes.

Keto is a popular weight loss diet which cures type 2 diabetes among other diseases. It's enjoyable due to the excellent food and the lack of calorie counting. Never being hungry is part of why it's the scientifically proven most successful diet, by far.

You're trying to conjure an argument that nobody is having with you. Nobody cares about your posts. You're only posting because you're angry about keto.

[Anonymous No.17473056]

>>17473031
> The solution of being healthy and not obese are the same of 100000 years ago
And they are very simple, simpler than torturing yourself by excluding a variety of food class
> do exercise
> don't overeat and eat a vary diet
> don't abuse harmful substance like alcool and tobacco
> sleep well
> go out in the sun
> socialize and have fun with your friends
> have sex and love someone
> have some constructive hobby and occupy your mind in something that requires thinking to keep your mental health

[Anonymous No.17473058]

>>17473031
How is keto bad long term?
Other than it being extremely easy to eat few calories, how exactly can it be bad for you?

[Anonymous No.17473059]

>>17473031
>The solution of being healthy and not obese are the same of 100000 years ago
Yes: don't eat carbs.

>I have personally observed for two or three years men, who were foregoing starches, and in general their bodies were slight and their complexions good. They could withstand wind, cold, heat, or dampness, but there was not a fat one among them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigu_(grain_avoidance)

[Anonymous No.17473060]

>>17473051
>blah blah blah
Lol so predictable
Just to prove that I can actually name 10 footballers who eat carbs

[Anonymous No.17473062]

>>17473058
He only has old vegan lies. He's not being specific because when he tells the lies, they will be refuted.

[Anonymous No.17473067]

>>17473060
That's great, sport. But nobody said you couldn't.

Please eat meat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7H9xeMYME

[Anonymous No.17473075]

>>17473067
There's a difference between "eat meat" and "don't eat carb" or "eat a lot of fat". All the athletes I posted eat meat too.
You're not being very clear. Or is that on purpose?

[Anonymous No.17473076]

>>17473058
>>17473062
I'll reply about the concerns of long term keto in a minute, It's not easy for me writing them in english

> He only has old vegan lies
Do you seriously think that meat industry is less powerful than a bunch of limp vegans on internet? If you really had to suspect of propaganda you should point out meat consumption

[Anonymous No.17473088]

>>17470686
I had skin issues too and keto kind of helped but I eventually figured out it's only certain plant foods that make it worse. Everyone will have different food triggers but I can eat corn, rice, pretty much all fruits, and most vegetables without problems. But I have to avoid beans and pungent stuff like mustard and raw garlic or else I start developing problems again. The main thing I ended up missing on keto was the fruit though but I have no issues when eating lots of fruit every day, and it actually seemed to make my skin even better.

[Anonymous No.17473091]

>>17473076
Vegans are useful idiots for megacorporations like Coca-Cola and Sugar Information Inc.

Meat has very low profit margins, which is why we are discussing meat in generic terms and not brand-names like Pepsi or Coca-Cola. The biggest meat businesses have very low margins and would be happy to sell plant-based alternatives.

There's also trillion dollar pharmaceutical interests in getting people to eat disease-causing carbs.

[Anonymous No.17473092]

>>17473088
>But I have to avoid beans and pungent stuff like mustard and raw garlic or else I start developing problems again.
Also wheat, not sure if it's just a wheat allergy or Celiac but I get pretty sick within a few minutes if I eat wheat and it lasts for a few days.

[Anonymous No.17473106]

>>17473067
>>17473075
Anyway I have nothing more to say to you because you have literally nothing to say.
The athletes I posted are far more conclusive evidence and paint a far clearer picture than any bullshit you could spout.
Want to be like world champion, eat sugar. Want to be like a freak, eat keto.

[Anonymous No.17473108]

>>17473091
> Vegans are useful idiots for megacorporations like Coca-Cola and Sugar Information Inc.
But I'm not vegan, so your is just a boogeyman schizo though

> Meat has very low profit margin
That's so retarded I don't even know how to answer.
> The biggest meat businesses have very low margins and would be happy to sell plant-based alternatives.
Bullshit. The vegetables margin are actually very low, the most profitable scheme is a synergy of meat and dairy industries with the agriculture designed exclusively for.
The industry wet dream is to grow only cereals crops destined to meat industry that would sell meat for a higher margin (since already the majority of land by area is destined to animals)

> There's also trillion dollar pharmaceutical interests in getting people to eat disease-causing carbs.
There's no really need for that, people eat like shit and get sick despite eating carbs (which is not bad at all) or not

[Anonymous No.17473113]

>>17470686
>Love me turkey legs
I'm more of a turkey thigh kinda guy, myself.

[Anonymous No.17473148]

>>17473108
Stopped reading your post partway through because you're so delusional it's a waste of time.

For those curious:
>Kellogg's- Revenue:13.547 billion, operating income:1.706 billion, Net income: 1.344 billion.

>PepsiCo- Revenue:70.37 billion, operating income:10.29 billion, Net income: 7.353 billion.
Co

>General Mills-Revenue:17.63 billion, Operating income: 2.6 billion, Net income: 2.18 billion.

>Coca-Cola- Revenue:37.27 billion, Operating income 10.09 billion, Net income: 8.92 billion.
Mainly grain, soda, vegetable-based companies.

>JBS S.A- Revenue:53 billion, Operating income: 298 million, Net income: 138 million.

Not hard to argue that the attempt to get more people to eat plant-based meats is to get a cut of the profit and increase their net income. Plus it may be too late to enter the breaded chicken frozen food market due to Tyson.

>Tysonn's foods- Revenue 43.185 billion, Operating income: 3.449 billion, Net Income: 2.061 billion.
Tyson is also starting to invest in meat alternatives + "clean" meat.
DFA is a market coop of dairy farmers in the U.S.

>Dairy Farmers of America- Revenue- 13.6 billion, Net income:131.8 million.
Don't bother looking at eggs, the larger companies don't even break 2 billion revenue. Actually, it really is hard to argue that there is a big Egg, Meat, Dairy. They make almost no money compared to the more profitable plant, grain, and potato companies.

[Anonymous No.17473157]

>>17473019
>If you want a proper elimination diet, try carnivore
ive heard that. also ive heard that fasting is great for skind conditions, but not sure if i could handle that, kek

[Anonymous No.17473159]

>>17473106
Evidence of what? Professional athletes do steroids.

Keto is a diet for people who want to be lean without counting calories, without ever being hungry, and while eating delicious foods like bacon and eggs.

[Anonymous No.17473182]

>>17473148
> Stopped reading your post partway through because you're so delusional it's a waste of time.
You should have continued reading. Cereal industry sell cereal both for human and animal feeding, of course it has a bigger income

What you failed to understand is cereal have a bigger margin if sold to meat industry and meat industry take advantage of it because cereal are cheaper

By switching 100% of cereal production for animal consumption both Meat and Cereal industry will earn a lot more

[Anonymous No.17473193]

>>17473182
Now I'm really glad I didn't read your previous post. Unfortunately I was foolish enough to read that one.

You think farm animals are eating Captain Crunch purchased at higher than retail price? LMAO.

[Anonymous No.17473219]

>>17473148
You might want to edit that picture so it's not comparing gross profit and net income.

[Anonymous No.17473252]

>>17473193
> You think farm animals are eating Captain Crunch purchased at higher than retail
> if they substitute the cereal production to 100% animal feeding
Instead of producing captain crunch they would use the land to grow cereal for animal you retard

[Anonymous No.17473258]

>>17473219
Nah, it's fine. Coca-Cola makes more in profit selling plant-based than one of the biggest meat producers makes in income. Shows the point very clearly.

[Anonymous No.17473263]

>>17473252
Friend you are very unintelligent. Please don't call others retards.

Selling grains for human consumption is more profitable than selling grains for animal consumption. Vastly.

[Anonymous No.17473265]

>>17473058
Ketosis is an emergency measure, if we make it a chronic situation, the side effects start to accumulate.
> Extra metabolic load for the disposal of ketone bodies.
This leads to increased oxidative stress associated with all catabolic activities which damages and prematurely ages tissues
> Acidogenic boost due to the disposal of ketone bodies (double boost if the diet is hyperproteic)
increases the risk of subtracting calcium from the bones to buffer the acidogenic drive, this can lead to a decrease in bone mass (consider that after 30 for men there is no increase in bone density, only slowing of the decay)
> Increased risk of dehydration for the disposal of ketone bodies
> Ketone bodies produce intoxication.
It is that feeling of well-being that people associate with the keto diet.
Because one of the ketone bodies (beta-hydroxybutyric) is a structural isomer of GHB (a euphoriant drug). Nothing wrong with that, but many people confuse the feeling with being on a proper diet.

> Food exclusion
To stay within the limits of carbohydrate, you necessarily have to exclude foods such as fruits and some vegetables, losing all the protective phytocompounds for heart, intestine and health in general (especially those in fruits) and thus in the long term favor the selection of a putrefactive microbiome that is not ideal for health.

Ketosis is also not pleasant for personal relationships, in fact breath and sweat smell like acetone (typical smell). The fact that you do not smell like this should make you suspect that you are not actually in ketosis but simply on a low carb diet.

[Anonymous No.17473270]

>>17473263
> Selling grains for human consumption is more profitable than selling grains for animal consumption. Vastly.
You are retarded

[Anonymous No.17473280]

>>17473270
Okay you win, dawg. Farmers go down to the grocery store and buy boxed cereal for their animals. Then they tip the cashier 10% making it overall more expensive than buying human food.

[Anonymous No.17473281]

>>17472913
No it isn't an "emergency state"

[Anonymous No.17473286]

>>17473265
Everything you just wrote is laughably bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17473329]

>>17473281
yes it is
There are some cells that function only on glucose, like that of the brain, some of the kidneys and blood.
To consume fats you need beta oxidation by acetyl-CoA which has to enter the krebs cycle to produce ATP for the cells.
But to start the cycle you need only glucose (or at the limit gluconeugenic amino acids which are rarer than diamonds in food).
That is why without carbohydrates you cannot produce energy efficiently in the Krebs cycle.
In the absence of carbohydrates your body must divert lipids to other less efficient metabolic pathways, because they are not optimal for your body.
If your body could function well without carbohydrates, the alternative metabolic pathway would be more efficient.

>>17473280
Comincio a pensare che tu sia clinicamente ritardato
Ancora non ti e` chiaro che spostare la produzione di terre per il consumo animale non vuol dire produrre cereali per la colazione tu mongoloide

>>17473286
You can expand why

[Anonymous No.17473348]

>>17473329
Look gluconeogenesis and stop talking about you do not know

[Anonymous No.17473357]

>>17473329
I don't know why I got tired of writing in english

btw
> I am starting to think that you are clinically retarded.
It is still not clear to you that shifting the production of land for animal consumption is not the same as producing breakfast cereals you mongoloid.

>>17473348
Already addressed

[Anonymous No.17473395]

>>17473148
I fucking swear I made a text post like this not too long ago, word for word. I have no idea why this is ever argued against, there is just too much potential profit from plant-based products that animal farms and meat can't compete. Why wouldn't a meat company switch if possible to bring along their existing clients?

[Anonymous No.17473479]

>>17473395
I copy/pasted it from you. It's more effort than I'm willing to put into talking sense into these nutjobs.

>I have no idea why this is ever argued against, there is just too much potential profit from plant-based products that animal farms and meat can't compete.
It's such a complete inversion of reality it's hard to understand how any humanoid could believe in a meat bogeyman. I think it's bias and delusion caused by veganism.

[Anonymous No.17473482]

This thread is really autistic

[Anonymous No.17473950]

The word athlete was used 31 times in this thread.

[Anonymous No.17474013]

>>17473950
Someone really wants us to know that carbs are fuel for ATHLETES, not at all for fatties.

[Anonymous No.17474040]

>>17474013
you can get equivalent or better sports performance on low carb

[Anonymous No.17474051]

>tfw esl doesn’t realize people pre farming had a 99% meat died
>tfw retard doesn’t realize mongolia exists
tfw the retard thinks leto means 0 carbs

[Anonymous No.17474077]

i was talking about arnold you stupid little faggot
and everyone who wrestled since 1950

[Anonymous No.17474277]

>>17474051
meds

[Anonymous No.17474448]

>>17474040
Yeah, Shawn Baker proves you can perform at a high level without carbs. People lie. Soda companies sponsor athletes. Fat people even when they are trying to lose weight think
>i better carb up so i can exercise to stop being fat
It's mental.

[Anonymous No.17474607]

For me it’s prime rib

[Anonymous No.17474665]

>>17472766
Guys who play highschool girl's sports are who's who in athletes?

[Anonymous No.17474672]

>>17472834
Ones with muscle?

[Anonymous No.17474687]

i wish i could do keto but everything i love has carbs, fuck me! even when i eat something high protein like steak chiekn or fish i always feel like a need a side of mashed taters or rice with it, damnit i just cant go one meal without them carbies no wonder i cant lose no weight anymore

[Anonymous No.17474712]

>>17474687
That's just carb addiction. Once you're off the stuff you don't miss it.

[Anonymous No.17474756]

I ate nothing but breakfast sausages for 3 months. I lost 20 pounds and was never hungry.

[Anonymous No.17474786]

>>17474756
I lost 100 pounds on sausage links but my cholesterol has never been higher

[Anonymous No.17474797]

>>17472838
where?

[Anonymous No.17475008]

>>17474786
High cholesterol is a good thing

[Anonymous No.17475132]

>>17472886
>>17472846
I've tried chaffles, it's not for me. It felt like such a sad, sad attempt at emulating waffles/bread/whatever that i am better off without it.
Like if i had to give up meat for a diet, i sure as shit wouldn't eat vegan garbage. I'd quit meat outright

[Anonymous No.17475135]

>>17470686
Muscle meats aren't the best for keto. Too much protein for too little fat. Your body treats excess protein as carbs.

[Anonymous No.17475146]

>>17474712
It's not a drug.

[Anonymous No.17475151]

>>17474687
If you stick with minimally processed forms of carbs then it's usually fine. Fruit, beans, root vegetables, etc. You just need to avoid junk food like chips, soda, cookies, cake, candy, that's the stuff that's high in calories but not very nutritious and doesn't fill you up. The main reason keto works is because it makes people stop eating that junk food, but nobody became overweight because of the carbs in fruit and beans.

[Anonymous No.17475160]

>>17475135
just choose cuts with a decent amount of fat and or cook with a bit of butter/fat of choice

[Anonymous No.17475187]

I like to make a kind of soup by melting bacon fat. It’s filling, it’ll give you plenty of energy, and it’s good for you.

[Anonymous No.17475200]

>>17473329
Just because you insert "efficient(ly)" and "optimal" in between cherrypicked statements, that doesn't make your opinion true.
You worked really hard not to directly say that we can create glucose, and in quantities sufficient to fuel everything that requires it. What makes you think that having a well-developed mechanism for this exact scenario somehow makes it an "emergency state"?
Not having enough water is an emergency state and guess what, we can make some of it to. But unlike glucose, way, way, way less than we require. That's why abscinence from water ends after two weeks and abscinence from carbs ends when people snack. Guess which one kills you.
>>17473357
It wasn't addressed. You worked really hard to skirt around it and anyone who wouldn't already know of it would have no idea about it.

[Anonymous No.17475214]

literally just dont eat high glycemic, processed carbs and you're good

>>17471379
not any athletes that require any amount of muscle. keto is a great way to make your body look like a saggy piece of shit after weight loss

[Anonymous No.17475216]

>>17475214
clinical trials show no loss of muscle even in well trained athletes on keto

[Anonymous No.17475220]

Keto is a garbage diet. If you want to cut out some carbs, sure. What’s insane is downing literal sticks of butter, and saying that your diet is healthy. If you want to avoid an early consultation with a ct surgeon, I recommend practicing fork putdowns instead. Maybe try some running too.

[Anonymous No.17475222]

>>17475220
>What’s insane is downing literal sticks of butter
does anybody actually do this?

[Anonymous No.17475224]

>>17475220
>Still believes the "Fat makes you fat" meme
>cacklingwhores.jpg

[Anonymous No.17475227]

>>17473106
this dude has mental health issues

[Anonymous No.17475228]

>>17475224
>still believes [HEADCANNON]
Discarded.

[Anonymous No.17475230]

>>17475222
yeah

[Anonymous No.17475233]

>>17475230
i will add a bit of butter to my eggs but this just seems excessive

[Anonymous No.17475234]

>>17475216
clinical trials comparing low-fat diets vs low-carb diets show low-fat diets are significantly better for improving body composition

the reality is any diet should focus primarily on getting .8-1 gram of protein per pound of body weight and eating at ~200-500 calorie deficit

the restriction involved in keto diet is totally unnecessary and a truly retarded away to achieve weight loss

[Anonymous No.17475238]

>>17475234
keto is not low protein unless its being done for epilepsy or maybe cancer. whats the issue if one gets enough protein and is eating under their TDEE whether it be low carb or low fat?

[Anonymous No.17475247]

>>17475238
never said it was low protein, only that low-carb diets work better for improving body composition.

most people who do keto put zero thought into their micronutrients and just end up eating a shitload of saturated fats and miraculously increase their bad cholesterol while losing weight

[Anonymous No.17475249]

>>17472838
>$3.99
>ea.
fucking jew tactics

[Anonymous No.17475250]

>>17475247
any diet can be done poorly so i guess thats fair. but the increase in "bad cholesterol" assuming you mean LDL is in the large bouyant particles not associated with the metabolic syndrome and increased cvd risk while the smaller dense LDL particles usually go down. clinical trials on atherogenic dyslipidemia have showed this pretty consistently

[Anonymous No.17475260]

>>17475250
one such recent trial where interestingly LDL did not change which is but as is commonly observed HDL, triglycerides, and other risk markers moved in a positive direction
>A low-carbohydrate diet, high in saturated fat, improved insulin-resistant dyslipoproteinemia and lipoprotein(a), without adverse effect on LDL cholesterol. Carbohydrate restriction might lower CVD risk independently of body weight, a possibility that warrants study in major multicentered trials powered on hard outcomes.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/115/1/154/6369072

[Anonymous No.17475262]

>>17475247
one such recent trial where interestingly LDL did not change but as is commonly observed HDL, triglycerides, and other risk markers moved in a beneficial direction
>A low-carbohydrate diet, high in saturated fat, improved insulin-resistant dyslipoproteinemia and lipoprotein(a), without adverse effect on LDL cholesterol. Carbohydrate restriction might lower CVD risk independently of body weight, a possibility that warrants study in major multicentered trials powered on hard outcomes.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/115/1/154/6369072

[Anonymous No.17475280]

>>17475230
How the fuck does that not result in WAY too many calories?

[Anonymous No.17475284]

>>17474687
you don't have to drop them completely. just restricting yourself to under 100g of carbs a day will help you lose weight, it'll be pretty hard to over eat doing this still

[Anonymous No.17475289]

>>17475280
your body will probably increase energy expenditure to try and compensate. wont stop you from gaining weight if you continuously overeat it just happens to be harder without all the high carb junk

[Anonymous No.17475318]

I'm 160kg

I need to try this or I'll die young.

[Anonymous No.17475368]

>>17470702
I've been doing it to varying degrees for the last 3 years.

>>17470692
I started strict keto again the other week after getting up to almost 90kg (was 106kg down to 78 at my maximum when I did it the first time), though I somewhat have christmas and my mum visiting for a month to thank for that. I would often let loose a bit on the weekend when getting drunk, but always kept a degree of keto for most of the week. Have given up weekday alcohol for the time being, but fuck I wish I could give it up for good.

[Anonymous No.17475403]

>>17475368
Fluctuating weight like that can't be good for you.

[Anonymous No.17475407]

>>17475132
You definitely didn't try chaffles.

[Anonymous No.17475430]

>>17475407
Yes i did, lmao. It's one of the first things i did, like 4 weeks in. Did you just learn that different people have different tastes?

[Anonymous No.17475435]

>>17475430
Nah, you're lying.

[Anonymous No.17475446]

>>17475403
My primary weight loss was like 2 and a half years ago. It's only in that time I've slowly crept up to 90.

[Anonymous No.17476017]

>>17475233
He's just attention whoring.

[Anonymous No.17476036]

>>17475234
Why do you tell lies?

Low carb does not just result in more weight loss than other comparison diets, it also results in more fat loss, especially when carbs are limited to 50 grams per day.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27059106

[Anonymous No.17476042]

>>17472534
LeBron James.

[Anonymous No.17476267]

>>17470697
Actually make your own nutritious meals from raw ingredients from a place like Aldi. Crazy, for us Americans, I know

[Anonymous No.17476285]

>>17475220
gotta love strawmans

[Anonymous No.17476320]

>>17476036
most studies show more loss of lean mass in a ketogenic diet

[Anonymous No.17476349]

>>17476320
You don't know what a meta-analysis is, vegan? You're replying to a meta-analysis.

>Impact of low-carbohydrate diet on body composition: meta-analysis of randomized controlled studies

Low carb does not just result in more weight loss than other comparison diets, it also results in more fat loss, especially when carbs are limited to 50 grams per day.

[Anonymous No.17476364]

>>17476320
no loss of lean mass
>Effects of 30 days of ketogenic diet on body composition, muscle strength, muscle area, metabolism, and performance in semi-professional soccer players
>In our study KD athletes lost fat mass without any detrimental effects on strength, power and muscle mass.

[Anonymous No.17476371]

>>17476349
I'm not vegan

the people who do keto are the exact same people who do a vegan diet, their life circumstances merely led them down different dietary paths.

both
>cant stop talking about their retarded diet
>believe their diet is the most perfect diet there ever was
>have to be on restrictive diets because they're developmentally disabled and cant eat normally without getting fat
>have micronutrient deficiencies
>are annoying and gay

go get your cholesterol tested

[Anonymous No.17476382]

>>17475238
>keto is not low protein
>So, when you're on a keto diet, what's the right amount of protein? About 6 to 8 percent of your daily calories should come from protein in order to remain in ketosis and eliminate the risk of ketoacidosis, White says. (Meanwhile, carbs should contribute about 2 to 4 percent of your daily calories.) For the average woman (following a 2,000-calorie diet) that would mean eating approximately 30 to 40 grams of protein per day.

damn bro 40 grams of protein per day? ur gonna be ripped!!!

[Anonymous No.17476383]

>>17476371
I didn't read your whole post becaue it's just a false equivalence. Like saying
>people who get the jab are exactly the same as people who don't get the jab!
It's just dumb. They're literally opposites.

[Anonymous No.17476388]

>>17476364
the longer you follow a keto diet, the greater the risk of muscle loss

[Anonymous No.17476393]

>>17476388
wheres your data? All the clinical trials show no loss of lean mass except perhaps in cases of extreme weight loss

[Anonymous No.17476395]

>>17476393
He's lying because he's a vegan and he doesn't want people doing keto.

[Anonymous No.17476396]

>>17476383
no, it's like comparing people who got moderna vs people who got pfizer

they're not opposites, theoretically someone could be vegan and keto if they ate a sheet ton of nuts and seeds and impossible meat

just accept that you are ever bit as gay as a vegan, the only difference is that you have worse cholesterol

[Anonymous No.17476404]

>>17476382
Maybe you should get your info about keto from keto sources instead of anti-keto sources.

>Taking into account the different positions among keto and low-carb experts, we recommend a protein intake of 1.2 to 2.0 grams per kg of body weight for most people.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/protein

[Anonymous No.17476407]

keto is pretty good if you are fat lazy piece of shit but if you're trying to build lean mass its probably the worst possible choice

[Anonymous No.17476411]

>>17476404
im considering doing keto, how much protein do you eat in a day?

[Anonymous No.17476412]

>>17476396
Vegans agree with authority so much they go above-and-beyond the expert recommendations. Ketochads disagree with authority so much they do the exact opposite of what authorities say.

Vegans malnourish themselves to (supposedly) save animals. Ketochads kill animals to nourish themselves.

Nice attempt at false equivalence.

[Anonymous No.17476414]

>>17476411
Unlimited protein. Unlimited fat. No carbs.

Most of the food I eat is about 1:1 protein to fat by weight, which is 70% fat 30% protein by calories.

[Anonymous No.17476419]

>>17476412
there's no false equivalence
>vegans are annoying and gay and most of them have micronutrient deficiencies
>keto nerds are annoying and gay and most of them have micronutrient deficiencies + bad cholesterol

[Anonymous No.17476423]

>>17470686
Just stop eating processed/refined carbs. That's your biggest issue.

[Anonymous No.17476426]

>>17476414
ok a few more questions hope you dont mind
what do you typically eat to hit your macronutrient goals? how much weight have you lost/how much do you weigh now? what would you estimate your body fat % at?

[Anonymous No.17476428]

>>17475318
>I'm 160kg
How? What the fuck are you eating?

[Anonymous No.17476456]

>>17476426
Bacon, eggs, extra old cheddar are my staples. Also medium ground beef. And salami. I also drink a lot of heavy cream with coffee.

I lost over 75lbs and have kept it off for over 5 years. I don't know my body fat percentage but I'm certain it's within a healthy range for adult men.

[Anonymous No.17476476]

>>17476456
is that you in the photo? you look good dude

[Anonymous No.17476480]

>>17476404
that's not keto then, that's just atkins
eating that much protein prevents ketosis.

[Anonymous No.17476547]

>>17470686
The Mexican market has some great ready made keto options. I know it's not a very appetizing picture but I can get a pound of pork carnitas like this for $6.50

[Anonymous No.17476556]

>>17476547
Chicharron con carne, a variety of salsas, pickled spicy onions, lechon, lengua, etc.

[Anonymous No.17476771]

>>17476476
Thanks dude I genuinely appreciate it. People are usually cruel to me because they don't like me advocating a low-carb diet based on animal products.

I share my advice about diet because I was able to cure my obesity by doing something completely different after struggling with calorie counting for a long time. Mainstream dogma is fundamentally incorrect. It's a smokescreen to avoid pointing the finger at sugar and flour.

[Anonymous No.17476791]

>>17476480
Atkins is keto. It involved peeing on strips to check for ketosis. Then you added carbs but stayed below the amount needed for ketosis. It's 100% keto, indisputably. Modern keto tends to tell people to just stay below 20g of carbs per day which guarantees ketosis in pretty much everyone, then you don't have to test. Zero carb diets obviously also are guaranteed to be ketogenic.

Dr. Eric Westman, founder of the Duke University Keto Medicine Clinic, learned keto from Dr. Atkins himself.

https://medicine.duke.edu/faculty/eric-charles-westman-md
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMVI_t6Vfqo

[Anonymous No.17477290]

>>17472959
that body is pathetic

[Anonymous No.17477314]

I follow the keto diet of Jack Scalfani.
https://streamable.com/yhscc8

[Anonymous No.17477340]

>>17477290
You're just an angry vegan spewing abuse because you don't like people eating meat.

You would be a happier kinder human if you ate meat or eggs or cheese or oysters or something.

[Anonymous No.17477438]

>>17477290
keto is extremely gay and an unnecessarily restrictive way to lose weight but that's a pretty damn good physique for someone who has lost 75 lbs

[Anonymous No.17477517]

>>17476476
the ketoschizo is in every single thread with a HINT of fucking diet, and he always posts those 2 pictures
it's fucking annoying because he spews his autism in literally any thread about food on /fit/

[Anonymous No.17477874]

>>17470686
When I can't figure out something, I can usually find something here https://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html..

I will never understand why diet starts such fights. Just eat what you want and leave me to eat what I want.

I'm essentially keto because it helps my autoimmune crap.

[Anonymous No.17478049]

>>17476396
just because one person only drinks vodka and another person only drinks water does not mean they are both unhealthy diet restrictions

fuck how stupid and desperate for an argument do you have to be to equate a vegan diet with keto

[Anonymous No.17478146]

>>17472884
more like Manlet Pacquiao

[Anonymous No.17478244]

>>17478049
i wasnt equating the diets (though as i have already pointed out, they are not mutually exclusive). i was equating the people who engage in those diets. both keto people and vegan people are:

>gay
>typically misinformed
>annoying
>likely to have micronutrient deficiencies
>wont shut up about their diet

[Anonymous No.17478586]

Can we actually talk about keto recipes? How do you guys season your meat? I dry brine it with salt and keep the spices simple, jus garlic powder & black pepper. I feel the dry brine work really well on chicken. I did a brief dry brine on top round but couldn't deal with toughness, any idea how to deal with that?

[Anonymous No.17478599]

>>17478586
I usually buy family size chicken thighs and package them up and freeze them. Do you think if I tossed the salt and pepper on before freezing it would be like brining them or would they get weird thawing with salt on them - like mushy?

[Anonymous No.17478659]

>>17478599
Dry bringing doesn't work like that, you'll have to dethaw them, pat em down real quick, and then salt and pepper them and give the chopped bits an hour at least before putting them in.

[Anonymous No.17478700]

>>17478659
That's kinda what I figured. I almost never plan ahead for lunch to have them sit an hour after thawed, so I'll just have to live with it lol