/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.17357924]

Are fruits good for weight loss?

[Anonymous No.17357968]

As long as you're getting regular exercise, have as much sugar as you want.

[Anonymous No.17357993]

It depends. Fruits have sugar and are meant to be consumed with the flesh so it slows down absorption and also provides satiety. Juice is definitely out and even pureeing might be an issue because you've done the job of loosening the goods from the cellulose that's supposed to occur in your stomach. I think reasonable consumption is fine.

[Anonymous No.17357995]

>>17357968
this is stupid advice

[Anonymous No.17358011]

>>17357995
No marathon runner has ever gotten diabetes :>

[Anonymous No.17358029]

>>17357924
As long as you are consuming fewer calories every day than you are expending, (your total daily energy expenditure) you will lose weight. This is the answer based in science and miles upon miles of studies and research. Any shit about paleo, keto, omad, etc etc is just a thin veil on CICO, because you will likely be consuming fewer calories when following those rulesets.

>is x healthy
>will x fill me up
>will x help me build or retain muscle

these are all different questions with different answers. anyone who disagrees with me is a gullible loser who has no idea what the fuck they're talking about and lacks basic critical thinking abilities.

[Anonymous No.17358037]

>>17358029
this is the science from 1860s. In the 1900s we created the field of endicronology and discovered various hormones

[Anonymous No.17358050]

>>17358037
Wrong. Therodynamics has not been 'disproven" and your answer represents your misunderstanding of what calories are. Your doctor would disagree with whatever snake oil weight loss advice you are pettling, and so would anyone who has researched weight loss in a peer reviewed study.

OP, do not ask 4chan about weight loss, because most people here are highly suggestible schizos who watched a video or two on youtube of some mouth breather trying to collect a paycheck telling people some retarded bullshit fad diet is the key to all of their problems.

[Anonymous No.17358051]

I lost weight so fast on keto that I became a little concerned . I thought five pounds a week was a bit too fast so I added two servings of fruit per day to my diet . I now eat one serving per day . Fruit definitely has effected my weight loss .

[Anonymous No.17358065]

>>17358050
>Therodynamics has not been 'disproven"
Straw man as usual. Thermodynamics is a law but its not useful in understanding the etiology of obesity or how your body regulates fat stores. Thats endicronology and human metabolism

[Anonymous No.17358097]

>>17358065
Absolutely no doctor on earth will refer a average patient to an endocrinologist for weight loss, unless they have some type of previously diagnosed comorbid health problem. If you were to ask this of your doctor, they would immediately ask you which pseudoscientific loser on youtube spread that misinformation to your easily influenced brain. You are not incorrect that the endocrine system can have a slight effect on someone's weight loss, but having helped many people with PCOS and Hashimotos lose weight, I can affirm to you with 100% confidence that CICO is the way to do it in a structured and scientifically backed way. This has been proven time and time again to be the best method to lose weight and spreading bullshit information on the internet about muh endocrine system only serves to irresponsibly misinform and dissuade newbies like OP from losing weight in an actual effective way.

OP, google any of this and look at reputable sources and you will extremely quickly discover that I'm right. Don't listen to schizos, don't ask 4chan losers for advice on anything, good luck.

[Anonymous No.17358104]

>>17358097
So many misconceptions and fallacies but I will just leave you with this. Go read Oslers Principles amd Practices of Medicine and see what he reccomended for obesity and diabetes before you call carbohydrate restriction a "fad" ya ignoramus

[Anonymous No.17358107]

>>17358011
marathon runners dont or barely consume refined sugars dumbfuck redditor. and their idea of eating fruit is probably very different than yours

[Anonymous No.17358109]

>>17357995
You're right, stop doing exercise and stop eating sugar.

[Anonymous No.17358114]

>>17358107
they carb load and eat lots of high sugar products during races. Are you that out of touch or just a bait

[Anonymous No.17358138]

>>17358114
please enlighten me how an athlete such as a distance runner or cyclist eats. you think they chug sponsor provided energy drinks and eat energy gels all day on race day? care to elaborate on what you personally think they consume on whatever else training and rest days? what the fuck kind of advertisement infested fantasy world do you live in?

[Anonymous No.17358142]

>>17358138
youre right and so smart no marathon runner has ever gotten diabetes because they eat so healthy and do so much exercise. thanks for clearing that up genius anon

[Anonymous No.17358156]

>>17357924
I've recently lost about 50lbs. Best way to do so is whole foods and exercise. Fruit are for the most part healthy, some better than others. And like any other food if you have too much it can be bad. In moderation they're a good snack for losing weight. I typically eat a couple eggs with spinach and a banana for breakfast. A salad, a lean protein, a half serving of rice, an apple, and almonds for lunch. And for dinner typically a meat or fish, a full serving of rice or sweet potato, and a vegetable, typically broccoli, green bean, asparagus, or Brussel sprouts. And exercise at least 3 days a week. I guarantee you will lose weight and be healthier.

[Anonymous No.17358159]

damn thats some tasty looking fruit

[Anonymous No.17358164]

>>17358142
good job on engaging with literally nothing in this thread and choosing to sperg out at the tiniest tension you experience. nice cope protects you nicely.

[Anonymous No.17358178]

>>17358164
"engaging" was me posting >>17358104 but that gets ignored and instead i just get straw man and retard replies. all cope i guess

[Anonymous No.17358215]

>>17358037
certain conditions and medicines can alter your metabolism and lead to weight gain, but those effects are marginal, and in no way invalidates CICO. if your "calories out" decreases because of a hormonal shift or disease, it just means you have to reduce your "calories in" to compensate.
hormones don't generate extra weight on their own.

[Anonymous No.17358238]

>>17358215
your hormonal milieu determines whether or not you can store fat at all even if you eat 15000 calories a day a type 1 without insulin will waste away no matter how much they eat. a type 2 once put on insulin therapy will gain significant weight possibly eating the same amount. CICO is true but it doesnt tell you how your body is regulating fat tissue storage and usage

[Anonymous No.17358244]

>>17357924
fruits have sugar, no fruits are good for weight loss
turning that sugar into alcohol however, is good for weight loss

[Anonymous No.17358249]

>>17358244
kek how do you figure? fructose and alcohol are metabolized almost identically

[Anonymous No.17358259]

>>17357924
wtf is wrong with those garloids?

[Anonymous No.17358275]

>>17358238
i wouldn't call going into a hyperglycemic coma "wasting away", but otherwise good point i guess. diabetics in particular are one extreme exception.

[Anonymous No.17358285]

>>17358050
>Therodynamics has not been 'disproven"
Except you can give someone Orlistat and block fat (which contains calories) from absorbing in their intestines and they literally shit it all out.
The idea that science has proven the body always burns the same number of calories or absorbs all the calories you consume is preposterous.

[Anonymous No.17358300]

>>17358104
study doesnt disprove CICO, next.

[Anonymous No.17358307]

>>17358104
You arent even engaging with the question, lmao. Of course a low carb diet is more effective because you will be eating fewer calories than a low fat. You are proving CICO.

[Anonymous No.17358330]

>>17358307
>Of course a low carb diet is more effective because you will be eating fewer calories than a low fat.
you "will" be eating less except you dont have to tell people too consciously restrict it just happens naturally. most of the clinical trials on low carb are ad libitum. this is not consistent with CICO causes obesity and fat people are all gluttons and sloths. if you tell a glutton eat as much as you like why dont they get fatter?

[Anonymous No.17358340]

>>17358259
>garloid

[Anonymous No.17358345]

>>17358300
its not one study its quite a few and youre an idiot

[Anonymous No.17358357]

>>17358330
>you dont have to tell people too consciously restrict it just happens naturally
Sure, this is a benefit of keto for many people, but this is using keto as a means to an end - the end being CICO. If someone wants to use keto to eat fewer calories, that is great, but to say somehow keto is 'better' than CICO or CICO doesn't work is not logically consistent and confuses people who are trying to lose weight. No one is debating that someone on a high carb diet will be hungry more often and eat more than someone on a keto diet.

[Anonymous No.17358359]

>>17358340
>not knowing your 4chan lore
lurk more

[Anonymous No.17358364]

>>17358345
if you cant explain it yourself then you literally cant comprehend what you are trying to tell me to read, you are pathetic, i am laughing at you and the entire medical community would laugh at you for trying to disprove CICO, you should probably be embarassed and try to learn a little more about stuff before pretending to be a big guy on the internet.

[Anonymous No.17358365]

>>17357924
Nothing is inherently good for weight loss apart from eating less and exercising more so you burn more than you consume. Dumbfucks.

[Anonymous No.17358366]

>>17358359
>4chan lore

[Anonymous No.17358371]

>>17358365
Sorry bro, /ck/ anons watched a dudebro wearing aviators making videos in his truck telling them CICO is a lie and its a big conspiracy and all you have to do is not eat carbs and just eat red meat and steak bro

[Anonymous No.17358378]

>>17358285
Thermodynamics still has not been disproven you brainlet

[Anonymous No.17358380]

>>17357924
>fruits
Hello!

[Anonymous No.17358384]

>>17358364
>disprove CICO
straw manned again. you are wrong and im not "disproving thermodynamics" just that its not the be all end all for the etiology of obesity. perhaps its the quality of calories and not so much the quantity.
>Lower-carbohydrate diets transiently reduce TEE, with a larger increase after ∼2.5 wk. These findings highlight the importance of longer trials to understand chronic macronutrient effects and suggest a mechanism whereby lower-carbohydrate diets may facilitate weight loss.
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/151/3/482/6020167

[Anonymous No.17358401]

>>17357995
Ummm yeah I could name 10 meters off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.17358404]

>>17358011
you my buddy are a stupid head

[Anonymous No.17358414]

>>17358037
Hey kiddo it's time for sleep

[Anonymous No.17358417]

>>17358414
no thanks mom im not tired yet

[Anonymous No.17358429]

>>17358384
Sure but ultimately cico. You may be healthier and be more successful with higher quality cico but in the end it is ALWAYS cico.

[Anonymous No.17358433]

>>17358429
>but in the end it is ALWAYS X
tautological and not proper reasoning

[Anonymous No.17358434]

>>17358051
Look at me I'm on a keto saki deity
I'm special, you are not special.

[Anonymous No.17358436]

>>17358414
Miss me Teckdecks lads

[Anonymous No.17358440]

>>17358433
What is the point youre trying to make? What is your argument?

[Anonymous No.17358443]

>>17358434
no special is the american without obesity diabetes or high blood pressure having a diet related chronic disease is now normal

[Anonymous No.17358445]

>>17358440
i made it and you ignored it which is what always happens in these discussions.
>CICO causes obesity and no evidence will change that because its a "fact" proven by "science"
what is the point?

[Anonymous No.17358454]

>>17358417

[Anonymous No.17358456]

>>17357924
those are some strange looking garloids, you been feeding them fresh tap?

[Anonymous No.17358457]

>>17358364
I found the fat baby.

[Anonymous No.17358459]

>>17357924
I have a lot more experience failing to lose weight dieting than i do succeeding . The whole CICO thing didn't work for me very well . How I did CICO is what made the difference . High bulk to calorie foods worked well for me . The way I look at fruit is that i just don't need much sugar in my diet even if it comes from a healthy food .

[Anonymous No.17358461]

>>17358445
the last comment i will make since these discussions always just go in circles. here is a recent paper that makes the carbohydrate insulin centric case for the etiology of obesity
>Weight gain (or more precisely, fat gain) can occur only with a positive energy balance, in the same way that a fever can occur only if the body generates more heat than it dissipates. However, these reiterations of the law of energy conservation ignore causality. During the pubertal growth spurt, energy intake exceeds expenditure as body energy stores increase. Does increased consumption drive growth or does growth drive increased consumption? Neither possibility violates laws of physics, but the 2 perspectives have fundamentally different physiological bases and implications.
>By excluding a metabolic effect of diet, common versions of the EBM offer no explanation for what changes in the environment have dysregulated the biological systems that counteract energy imbalance and resist weight change.

[Anonymous No.17358462]

>>17358445
So we agree on everything? Great, we both know that CICO is the best advice to give to someone losing weight, and we both agree that keto is a good means for a lot of people to achieve a comfortable calorie deficit.

[Anonymous No.17358465]

>>17358462
yes if you lose weight you are by definition in negative energy balance but thats not the way to think about the problem if you really want to prevent and treat obesity. people need to eat better not less. if you eat better you will eat less.
see >>17358461 and because i forgot link
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/6/1873/6369073

[Anonymous No.17358466]

>>17358440
I am the coolest person an you are a dumb dumb

[Anonymous No.17358467]

>>17358466
lol

[Anonymous No.17358469]

>>17358461
still havent provided any medical studies that show irrefutably that calories from carbs store more fat than calories from fat, and even in the few studies that show a difference, its like at most 100 calories a day which is 1/35th of a pound and basically negligable in practice in terms of weight loss. the only people as dug in and invested as you on that argument are people selling keto snacks on facebook.

[Anonymous No.17358476]

>>17358469
there is no such thing as irrefutable evidence in medical science. but the majority of the evidence suggests that low carb is more effective irrespective of whatever you think about the etiology of obesity and as i posted carbohydrate will change your rate of expenditure AT THE SAME CALORIE INTAKE see >>17358384

[Anonymous No.17358481]

>>17358469
thanks faggot
I can now eat my 1/35th of calories and not care

[Anonymous No.17358486]

>>17358469
>its like at most 100 calories a day
stretch that over a few decades and youve explained the entire obesity epidemic. thread over

[Anonymous No.17358488]

NO

[Anonymous No.17358494]

>>17358486
>epidemic

[Anonymous No.17358496]

>>17358476
It all ultimately hinges on the fact that less calories were consumed than burnt.
That study didnt show that people who ate the same calories in two different dies had any difference in weight loss. There is just a lot of 'could' and 'may' in 'aiding' weight loss.
In the end you will lose weight if you eat less.

[Anonymous No.17358498]

>>17357995
No it isn't. Provided he is getting the other nutrients he needs, he can consume as many calories as he burns and be healthy. Is it the best way to do it? No, but you absolutely can have a diet full of sugar as long as you are burning that energy to compensate. It's literally fuel in fuel out.

[Anonymous No.17358504]

>>17358496
round and round in circles. have a good night

[Anonymous No.17358505]

>>17358498
>>17358496
Okay fat fuck mcDick

[Anonymous No.17358510]

>>17358505
>Tfw my whole chink family is skinny and eats rice every day.
Oh no not my hekkin ketorinos.

[Anonymous No.17358513]

>>17358510
half of China has diabetes just like the US they might not be as obese but they are more diabetic

[Anonymous No.17358518]

>>17358138
>you think they chug sponsor provided energy drinks
Phelps would drink several red bulls a day, and had a very high carb diet in general

[Anonymous No.17358531]

>>17358518
you are wrong i am right

[Anonymous No.17358553]

>>17358513
>Moving the goalposts from obesity to diabetes
Well done. Keep seething.

[Anonymous No.17358555]

>>17358553
well theyre diabetic and not obese so clearly very healthy thanks. its amazing all that time and that was the best you could do?

[Anonymous No.17358574]

>>17358513
>China

[Anonymous No.17358606]

fucking foreigner's

[Anonymous No.17358629]

[Anonymous No.17358648]

>>17358629
Well , I used to like apples . Hope I don't think of that the next time I eat one .

[Anonymous No.17358671]

>>17358555
Animal and dairy fat are clogging your veins. Holy shit you are fucking stupid. You mix different things and think your cherrypicked "evidence" is a reason for the other thing you are claiming. Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.17358683]

>>17358555
https://www.drhirani.com/Assets/lyonfinalreport.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC557144/
https://academic.oup.com/jjco/article/44/9/777/882796?login=false

You are wrong. Kys you contrarian fuck.

[Anonymous No.17358687]

I want a pigeon crusher .

[Anonymous No.17358701]

Losing weight isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.17358709]

>>17358555
>Comment chain about weight loss
>Omg diabetus
?

[Anonymous No.17358716]

>>17358671
Diabetes is a sign of good health?

[Anonymous No.17358721]

>>17358683
None of these are clinical trials AND the hazard ratios are tiny. Useless data unless youre just tryingbto prove yourself right. Here is an alternative result from the same type of "study" that will you no doubt dismiss because it gets the "wrong" answer
>High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext

[Anonymous No.17358724]

>>17358011
I actually knew a guy who ran marathons and has diabetes type 2. He’s older, though, 40’s or 50’s.

[Anonymous No.17358731]

>>17358724
I was being facetious

[Anonymous No.17358732]

>>17358011
I actually knew a guy who runs marathons and has diabetes type 2. He’s older, though, 40’s or 50’s and I don’t know his medical history.

[Anonymous No.17358734]

>>17358721
Those are all clinical trials, you're obviously not informed enough to know what a clinical trial is.
>the hazard ratios are tiny
Lmao

[Anonymous No.17358757]

>>17358734
The bottom two are both definitely not clinical trials didnt check the top one but if its about the Lyon Doet Heart Study ill tell why it doesnt say what you think it does

[Anonymous No.17359348]

No you need to be doing Keto or low carb in general, you will naturally feel content due to the fat and the weight flies off, do not consume sugar of any kind.

[Anonymous No.17359762]

>>17358434
How did you read that into my post ? I'm not a big fan of keto but I admit it works .

[Anonymous No.17359769]

>>17358513
Apparently Asians start developing problems with diabetes at lower BMI levels than other people do. But I wonder if it's because they eat a lot of white rice which isn't as nutritious and causes higher blood sugar spikes, while maybe it wouldn't be so high if they ate more brown rice.

[Anonymous No.17360106]

>>17358285
Different guy just to let you know your fucking retarded. In your example the calories are being blocked so of course it would help them lose weight. Use your fucking brain chimp

[Anonymous No.17360124]

>>17359348
topkek
I did keto three separate times and hit the plateau around 15 lbs lost
since Jan 1 I've just done simple calorie counting and made sure I was running a deficit. I've had beer every single day. I've eaten cookies every single day. I've eaten cheese itz every single day.
Now at Jan 31, I've lost 20lbs: down from 175 to 155. In fact, the biggest factor in keeping my calorie count low was the OPPOSITE of keto in that I keep my fat content low because that shit is massively caloric.

[Anonymous No.17360139]

>>17357924
What the hell is that picture?

[Anonymous No.17360160]

>>17358029
/thread

[Anonymous No.17361052]

>>17357968
Does regular mean 8 hours a day in the hot sun?

[Anonymous No.17361129]

>>17359769
It's because chinks have less adipose tissue than westerners. Diabetes happens when you run out of places to store fat. Less places to store fat makes you run out faster.

[Anonymous No.17362206]

Do you think the pigeon crusher would work on seagulls ?

[Anonymous No.17362307]

>>17357924
YOU WILL NEVER BE A BANANA
YOU WILL NEVER BE A PINEAPPLE
YOU WILL NEVER BE AN ORANGE

[Anonymous No.17363319]

>>17358357
Oh it is better. Keto, especially when combined with intermittent fasting or OMAD, greatly reduces insulin spikes and can reverse insulin resistance. Also fat has more calories per gram than carbs which makes it a better low volume fuel and many distance runners have started using high fat diets and seeing results. We store fat for survival but the modern high carb diet is not natural. We are built to feast and fast. Fruits and grains don't grow in the winter. Gotta hunt and eat animal fat, or burn the stored fat from eating peach pie in the summer.