/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.17229044]

How do I refute the "red meat... LE UNHEALTHY" drones?

[Anonymous No.17229064]

>>17229044
You don't. It's terrible for you. Treat it like a dessert - it's a treat, not a regular meal.

[Anonymous No.17229071]

>>17229044
you can't

[Anonymous No.17229077]

>>17229044
Have you considered not being an insufferable faggot who feels the need to get into autistic slapfights with anyone who doesn’t think exactly as you do?
If everyone suddenly loved red meat, you’d be here crying about not being able to afford it anymore.
So don’t worry about it.

[Anonymous No.17229081]

>>17229044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82KT_nb26-4

[Anonymous No.17229090]

>>17229044
>How do I refute the "red meat... LE UNHEALTHY" drones?
Why would you? Ignore them and do what you want.

[Anonymous No.17229107]

Tell them about r/ketosience and r/keto, they both freaking rock, my dude!

[Anonymous No.17229140]

>>17229107
Thanks for giving an insightful answer unlike the angry vegans preceding you, I'll have a look.

[Anonymous No.17229206]

>>17229107
stay there while you're at it

[Anonymous No.17229208]

>>17229044
its unhealthy if you eat a lot of it often like most foods, with moderation and discipline you can eat anything

[Anonymous No.17229340]

>>17229044
>Maintaining general advice to reduce total saturated fatty acids will work against the intentions of the guidelines and weaken their effect on chronic disease incidence and mortality
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4137
> There is no robust evidence that current population-wide arbitrary upper limits on saturated fat consumption in the United States will prevent CVD or reduce mortality.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874
>Diets that replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat do not convincingly reduce cardiovascular events or mortality…[We] must consider that the diet-heart hypothesis is invalid or requires modification.
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/26/1/3
>Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association…. The AHA [American Heart Association] stance regarding the strength of the evidence for the recommendation to limit SFAs for heart disease prevention may be overstated and in need of reevaluation.
https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/78/6/474/5678770
>There was little or no effect of reducing saturated fats on non‐fatal myocardial infarction or CHD mortality, but effects on total (fatal or non‐fatal) myocardial infarction, stroke and CHD events (fatal or non‐fatal) were all unclear as the evidence was of very low quality. There was little or no effect on cancer mortality, cancer diagnoses, diabetes diagnosis, HDL cholesterol, serum triglycerides or blood pressure, and small reductions in weight, serum total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and BMI. There was no evidence of harmful effects of reducing saturated fat intakes.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub2/information#whatsNew

[Anonymous No.17229346]

>>17229044
>Although limited, available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/
>People who reduced their saturated fat intake were just as likely to die, or get heart attacks or strokes, compared to those who ate more saturated fat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26068959
>Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/
>The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full
>Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality, with a RR of 1.14 (95% CI 0.82–1.60, p = 0.431) for those in the highest compared with the lowest category of SFA intake (fig. 6). Similarly SFA intake was not significantly associated CHD events (RR 0.93, 95% CI 0.83–1.05, p = 0.269 for high vs. low categories). Moreover, there was no significant association with CHD death (RR 1.11, 95% CI 0.75–1.65, p = 0.593) per 5% TE increment in SFA intake.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19752542/
>Saturated fats are not associated with all cause mortality, CVD, CHD, ischemic stroke, or type 2 diabetes, but the evidence is heterogeneous with methodological limitations.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/

[Anonymous No.17229552]

>>17229077
Idgaf about convincing loser soy redditors, they can ruin their own lives because some left wing media told them to. I care about my boomer parents and NPC friends who listen to normie sources and want them to eat better and healthier without feeling guilty.

[Anonymous No.17229554]

>>17229340
>>17229346
>sponsored by Tyson®

[Anonymous No.17229555]

>>17229044
Just ignore them. More red meat for us.

[Anonymous No.17229738]

>>17229554

[Anonymous No.17229941]

>>17229044
Why are you engaging them?

[Anonymous No.17230169]

>>17229044
By lying

[Anonymous No.17230181]

>>17229064
Fag

[Anonymous No.17230196]

Those studies saying red meat is bad also included processed meats like sausage, high fat, high salt. Enjoy all the fresh steak you like

[Anonymous No.17230200]

>>17229044
You don't refute them. You eat what you want and let others be. Since when did the fucking carnivores become more insufferable than the vegans?

[Anonymous No.17230208]

>drone: "red meat... LE UNHEALTHY"
>me: k.

[Anonymous No.17230226]

>>17230200
That shit gets annoying as hell when you’re still living at home like OP. Especially when bulking up
>why are you eating so much meat
>why are you eating so many eggs
>what’s that powder you’re putting in your shakes

[Anonymous No.17230237]

>>17230226
Why do you insult the OP, you piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.17230251]

>>17229044
It is processed meats that should be avoided.
I don't and wouldn't eat pork though.

[Anonymous No.17230325]

>>17229044
Call them a faggot

[Anonymous No.17230366]

>>17229552
>>17230237
This? What insult

[Anonymous No.17230392]

>>17230366
Saying he still lives at home

[Anonymous No.17230399]

>>17230392
Oh shit I just assumed. Same thing happened to me. How often is he having his parents over for dinner then that this is an issue?

[Anonymous No.17230408]

>>17229554
The chicken company?

[Anonymous No.17230607]

>>17230399
I'm sorry for calling you that. I assumed you were implying that he was a loser for living at home or something like that.

[Anonymous No.17230820]

>>17230237
Insulting the OP? On 4chan?? THE NERVE OF THIS GUY!!!

[Anonymous No.17230922]

>>17229044
literallty dont and just eat it if you want to. fag

[Anonymous No.17230947]

>>17229044
Just laugh in their face.

[Anonymous No.17230953]

>>17230226
>Because I want to.
>Because I want to.
>Because I want to.
It's literally that easy.

[Anonymous No.17230970]

>>17230820
Hahahahahahahaha ikr

[Anonymous No.17230978]

Is there a reason that I shouldn't marinate every piece of meat I cook in olive oil?

[Anonymous No.17230979]

Laugh and take another bite of steak

[Anonymous No.17230981]

>>17229044
By eating lots of red meat and not being dead or sick.

[Anonymous No.17230983]

>>17229044
not much to see just a survey really but people seem to report feeling well. make of this what you will
>Contrary to common expectations, adults consuming a carnivore diet experienced few adverse effects and instead reported health benefits and high satisfaction. Cardiovascular disease risk factors were variably affected. The generalizability of these findings and the long-term effects of this dietary pattern require further study.
https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894

[Anonymous No.17230987]

>>17229340
owned him. after all there's no way a published statistical study on nutrition would ever be contradicted, definitely didn't contradict prior ones, and definitely doesn't have any concurrently published and peer reviewed ones.
I don't even have a steak in this, but fuck these are just as pointless as psychological ones

[Anonymous No.17230988]

>>17229044
Why the fuck are you asking how to refute a statement?
If you had proof to the contrary then you could offer it up, but you don't.
You should be asking is red meat healthy or unhealthy and in what ways? Not simply arguing the point without regard to facts.
You fucking bitch nugget

[Anonymous No.17230989]

>>17230970
Summer started a bit soon this year

[Anonymous No.17230997]

>>17229044
Just say "Sounds like my problem" or "I don't care".

[Anonymous No.17231073]

>>17230987
the high quality evidence is unanimous. red meat and saturated fat has no deleterious effect

[Anonymous No.17231079]

I don't think you should do red meat for every meal, that probably isn't the best for you. It is still good to have it in your diet though as it is high in iron. You should have a variety in your diet (chicken, fish, steak, vegetables, etc)

[Anonymous No.17231750]

>>17229044
You cannot, since they are backed by science.

[Anonymous No.17231791]

>>17229044
Enjoy heart disease faggot

[Anonymous No.17231801]

>>17229044
just say you aren't trying to eat healthy, if you eat this every day.

[Anonymous No.17231806]

depends what specifically they are calling unhealthy. Helps to mention that dietary cholesterol has been shown to have nearly no effect on blood cholesterol in clinical trials. Could also mention that it helps you avoid hydrogenized oils

[Anonymous No.17231809]

>>17229064
I should add the only meat I eat is my girlfriend's (born male) cock. Not sure if that matters.

[Anonymous No.17231823]

>>17229044
Before electric light was accepted, then widely spread, gas AND CANDLES were used everywhere. These candles were made from vegetable products such as massive soy products. Once people switched, what the fuck were they do to with all this soy? This was before tofu? I tell you what, goddamned vegetable oil and shortening. So ridiculous pre-television smear campaigns were launched against lard because no one needed a fuckton of candles anymore.

[Anonymous No.17231830]

>>17231801
you know nothing about healthy eating

[Anonymous No.17232223]

>>17231750
>>17231791
See
>>17229340
>>17229346

[Anonymous No.17232244]

>>17229064
it most certainly is a regular meal.
tastes great too. every time.

[Anonymous No.17232369]

>>17229044
>How do I refute the "red meat... LE UNHEALTHY" drones?
Eat a second helping in their stead.

[Anonymous No.17232453]

>>17229044
They use the premise of "processed meat" as red meat. Nothing wrong with a big chunk of beef, just don't eat a ton of cured, salted, processed stuff in one sitting.

[Anonymous No.17232558]

>>17231830
back to >>>/r/keto lardass

[Anonymous No.17233684]

>>17229044
You tell them to read the study. If they don’t know what you’re talking about, just start ignoring them or shame them for having an stance on something they’ve done no research into.

[Anonymous No.17233839]

>>17229044
6oz is fine. A 48oz steak in one sitting is not. Control your portions. Red meat goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.17233935]

>>17229044
by sucking their dicks

[Anonymous No.17233946]

>>17229044
Just ignore them. They are all massive faggots. When a fat prediabetic fuck pisses on you for eating red meat while they guzzle cheap beer, soda, and hork down fast food and cookies and you are in good shape and enjoy your steak in whatever quantities you see fit, it's a bigger argument than anything you can say.

[Anonymous No.17234066]

>>17229044
>Calls the opposition drones
>B-but how do I refute them? I *KNOW* I'm right, I shouldn't have to prove it! It's just common sense.

[Anonymous No.17234072]

>>17229044
>How do I refute the "red meat... LE UNHEALTHY" drones?
stab them

[Anonymous No.17234087]

>>17230987
>have a steak in this
cheeky motherfucker

[Anonymous No.17234242]

>>17234066
youre right it is common sense that a food we've been eating for millions of years wouldnt cause the epidemic of heart disease in the past century or so.

[Anonymous No.17234277]

>>17229044
>my body my choice

[Anonymous No.17234294]

It's hilarious how defensive meat eaters get, then in the same breath they'll shit all over vegans.

[Anonymous No.17234302]

>>17229044
> be me
> eat steak nearly raw
> tell the chef I only want my steak seared on both sides for 2 minutes
> no health problems

God I love nearly raw meat. The searing is only to lock the salt and pepper to the meat. I do the same thing at the house. Chicken and pork and turkey? Yeah, I still cook those through, but because they're not as dense as beef .

[Anonymous No.17234310]

>>17234294
Shut up bitch, eat your nutritional yeast you fucking feminized faggot.

[Anonymous No.17234339]

>>17234310
Vegans have higher testerone levels than meat eaters, fattie.

[Anonymous No.17234471]

I don't think people who are saying that because human species has been eating meat for millions of years and therefore it's the optimal food currently really know how natural selection works. It doesn't optimize beyond reproduction, if your kids are independent and in a good enough shape to reproduce soon your role is done. Natural selection doesn't care if you die right after that, or if you have heart disease, alzheimer or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17234476]

>>17230408
Yes. Did you read the content?

[Anonymous No.17234494]

>>17234339
post shriveled balls

[Anonymous No.17234524]

>>17234310
I eat meat, too.
But I don't get butthurt when people say it's probably not a good idea to eat red meat 7 days a week.

[Anonymous No.17234530]

>>17229552
Holy shit the amount of cringy 14 year old in this post is causing my eyes to become permanently chineseified. You call others “NPC” but your post looks like it was copy+pasted from the “I’ve been on /pol/ for a day and want to tell my mom I’m alt-right XD” handbook. Life isn’t a pseudo-political pissing contest like it is in your internet bubble world. Touch grass and grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.17234541]

>>17234524
Ok, vegan. You've been mindpozzed by the soybalists who have trooncucked you into eating bugs and impossible burgers so you can't into reason. Why don't you reddit your way back into your antifa meeting instead?

[Anonymous No.17234574]

>>17234541
Touch grass

[Anonymous No.17234597]

>>17234471
>alzheimer
this has nothing to do with meat its just diabetes from too much sugar

[Anonymous No.17234608]

>>17234574
t. poopsoya sommelier who marxists his way into frankfurtia just like Adorno and Trotsky would have wanted you to

[Anonymous No.17234610]

>>17234597
I'm not really arguing about anything specific here, just the logic behind "meat is natural for human" argument.

[Anonymous No.17234619]

>>17233839
>A 48oz steak in one sitting is not.
Nice try, commie.

[Anonymous No.17234628]

>>17234610
it is but that doesnt necessarily make it optimal for longevity

[Anonymous No.17234777]

>>17234610
You’re an embarrassment to your family. Your friends just put up with you because they knew you before you entered this robotic phase of spouting pseudo-political garble you read on the internet. Eventually they’re all going to move on and you’re going to be alone with this notion that somehow you’ve won the culture war despite being 35, a virgin and leeching off of your mothers retirement checks. You’re not a conservative, you’re a social and economic parasite LARPing as one so you can feel better about your lack of contribution to society. Your mind has degraded into a cycle of “le epic memes xD” to the point where you can no longer distinguish reality from internet fiction and have developed an automated response for when anybody challenges your comfort zone by accusing them of being a “soy commie cuck antifa leftist”. You don’t have to be this way but it’s become easier than making an attempt to break out of your comfort zone. So, you use your online /pol/ddit hugbox to give you virtual back pats since life in the real world is void of approval for the pessimistic war against ghosts you eager to occupy the husk of an existence that is you.

[Anonymous No.17234790]

>>17234530
ok NPC

[Anonymous No.17234847]

>>17229064
Nice try globohomo bug/soy shill.

[Anonymous No.17234864]

Just ignore them
People reducing their red meat consumption is a good thing in my opinion, it's awful for the environment and that's why I've reduced how much of it I eat

[Anonymous No.17235174]

>>17234777
kek

[Anonymous No.17235194]

>>17234476
Isnt tyson investing heavily in fake meat now?

[Anonymous No.17235206]

>>17235194
No clue. I also don't see what that has to do with the conversation.

[Anonymous No.17235652]

>>17229077
>Have you considered not being an insufferable faggot who feels the need to get into autistic slapfights with anyone who doesn’t think exactly as you do?
welcome to 4chan and nice digits newfriend :)

[Anonymous No.17235977]

>>17229554
>Paid for by Bill Gates

[Anonymous No.17237975]

>>17229554
Don't bother with this sperg, he posts the same studies about saturated fat whenever he has the opportunity to even when the topic is about red meat rather than saturated fat. I think he's also posted some infographics from a company that peddles ~carnivore diet~ supplements and he pops up on every red meat-related discussion so he may unironically be a shill.

[Anonymous No.17238455]

>>17229044
eat it every meal with a salad if you can afford it, be sure to work out before eating, be a god, fuck kikes

[Anonymous No.17238465]

>>17234530
eat meat your vagina is showing

[Anonymous No.17238510]

>>17229044
Why are you getting into those arguments first place? Are you still in highschool?

[Anonymous No.17238521]

>>17229064
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.17238570]

>>17229077
Or is it getting ready for an argument people just say out of nowhere that no one is knowledgeable enough to challenge and are too low info to criticize and accept which causes more people to believe in such horseshite? Because I know people that go on pro vegan rants and they look dumb but I don't have the ideas to combat

[Anonymous No.17238576]

>>17229554
>>17237975
None of these anons disproved anything because you are too braindead and lazy to read these studies

[Anonymous No.17238608]

>>17229044
By snapping their scrawny faggot necks

[Anonymous No.17238610]

>>17229064
Found the jew

[Anonymous No.17239285]

>>17238610
He said red meat, not pork.

[Anonymous No.17240679]

>>17239285
shlomo bumping your thread

[Anonymous No.17240721]

>>17240679
don't fuck with jews and red meat, they know their shit son

[Dubs Checkem No.17240775]

>>17229044
Tell them to screw off.

[Anonymous No.17240817]

>>17240721
the average 30 year old woman is pastrami on rye?

[Anonymous No.17240844]

>>17230978
Low smoke point, tough to get a good sear without burning

[Anonymous No.17240855]

>>17240817
>being this new

[Anonymous No.17241444]

>>17229044
ignore the whiny cunts

[Anonymous No.17241453]

>>17234608

[Anonymous No.17241515]

>>17229044
Hormone and antibiotic overloaded chicken.

Also, red meat is a greater source of iron than other meats.

[Anonymous No.17241519]

Same way they should refute you, with evidence.

[Anonymous No.17241617]

>>17234339
Yeah, that low-cholesterol, low fat, low protein diet is doing wonders to boost your test. Lolno, you have higher levels of delusion is about it.

[Anonymous No.17242499]

>>17229340
>>17229346
you've never read any of these, no one here will read any of these.

[Anonymous No.17242813]

>>17229044
You should treat us tenderly and give us nice gentle kisses before perhaps put a choker of some kind around our necks, then make us blow you until completion so we can get our Zinc and B12 vitamins for the day. Then although you will not have convinced anyone to eat red meat, no one will annoy you about it.

[Anonymous No.17242842]

>>17241617
>empirical evidence too spicy for me
https://nutritionfacts.org/es/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/
Keep coping, fattie.

[Anonymous No.17242864]

>>17242813
Man, I hate that image. That's gonna fuck up the floors. It's not like bowling alleys are some mega-profit generating business model these days.

[Anonymous No.17243226]

>>17229044
>I don't care

[Anonymous No.17243249]

>>17229044
I eat roast beef almost every day and drink 6 cans of coke zero every day. I will not be stopping anytime soon, sorry Libtards.

[Anonymous No.17243250]

>>17229044
by not giving a fuck and eating it

[Anonymous No.17243280]

>>17238570
You really think you can argue with someone who is emotionally invested in their viewpoint to the point of religious conviction?
There’s truth in the old saying “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Just smile with a dismissive “aww that’s cute” sort of expression, say “Okay, anon”, and eat your steak.

[Anonymous No.17243288]

>>17238576
People have poked holes in these studies and emphatically said that red meat /= saturated fat many times over and the shill just goes in circles about 'muh clinical r'esearch 'muh institutional study' etc without actually engaging with what the person has to say. There's simply no point.

[Anonymous No.17243408]

>>17243249
okay meat is fine but willingly allowing the cokejew into your body is full retard tier

[Anonymous No.17243572]

>>17242842
That blog sources literally nothing, but I searched other blogs promoting Pritikin bullshit and found that study showing a measly 13% increase in test. Guess what? The meat-eater sample was a full decade OLDER than the vegans. That, and they inclusion criteria was completely arbitrary.

Again enjoy your depression and shitty hormonal balance. Pritikin killed himself btw.

[Anonymous No.17243621]

>>17229044
It is unhealthy. But who cares?

[Anonymous No.17243675]

>>17243572
It explicitly says in the study they adjusted for age. Not sure if you're dishonest or just an idiot (probably both lol). Keep coping.

[Anonymous No.17243682]

>>17243572
Also they literally link to the study itself.

[Anonymous No.17243752]

>>17243675
>>17243682
>this angry low test cope
Kek, don't get so emotional, sis.

[Anonymous No.17243786]

I don’t think I’ve ever known someone who cites studies as “arguments”, who also fully understands what they’re citing.
They read the abstract and conclusion, maybe search for some key words, and usually find it on the first place on some blog that’s “explaining” it.
If you point out anything questionable with the methodology or conclusions drawn, they’ll just link a different one.
Like they see studies as yugioh cards to keep throwing out.

[Anonymous No.17244193]

>>17243786
if it agrees what i already think then it must be a flawless study

[Anonymous No.17244261]

>>17229044
Ask /k/ for some possible options

[Anonymous No.17244274]

So instead of relying on a single study pushed by vegan skeletons from 20 years ago, I found a meta-analysis from this year.

Seems pretty overwhelming that being a vegan is unhealthy.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33741447/

>There were significant decreases in sex hormones on low-fat vs high-fat diets. Standardised mean differences with 95 % confidence intervals (CI) for outcomes were: total testosterone [-0.38 (95 % CI -0.75 to -0.01) P = 0.04]; free testosterone [-0.37 (95 % CI -0.63 to -0.11) P = 0.005]; urinary testosterone [-0.38 (CI 95 % -0.66 to -0.09) P = 0.009]; and dihydrotestosterone [-0.3 (CI 95 % -0.56 to -0.03) P = 0.03].

[Anonymous No.17244280]

>>17243752
you think you're saving face, but you're just embarrassing yourself further
step back and take a breath anon, it's ok to be wrong sometimes