The Future of Meat

[Anonymous No.17044546]

Tissue cultures from cattle, pigs, sheep and other such domestic animals can be grown under medium, thus allowing for the production of meat without the slaughtering of animals. The basic technology exists and works, all that remains is a matter of engineering to lower the price to competitive levels. In the last five years sugnifigant progress has been made to that end.

[Anonymous No.17044548]

I bet it will taste like shit

[Anonymous No.17044551]

>>17044546
doesn't it taste like shit at the moment? That's what I've heard at any rate.

[Anonymous No.17044556]

>>17044546
so we won't have to eat the bugs after all?

[Anonymous No.17044577]

if it can decently replicate beef mince for good meatballs then I'm in. hopes aren't high for a decent chicken version and higher end stuff like steak etc seems way out of the question at this stage

[Anonymous No.17044583]

>>17044556
I mean it's the same mentality that's pushing both of those things which is shameful but I suppose this is a better option.

[Anonymous No.17044727]

What's wrong with eating cows?

[Anonymous No.17044730]

>>17044583
Basic morality and not wanting everyone to die?

[Anonymous No.17044748]

>>17044730
No, treating people as just work machines that have a specific energy quota and what is the cheapest most efficient method to reach said quota. This is why big companies and governments push for it so much it has huge potential profit margins compared to traditional meat farming which takes up more room and (most importantly) takes up a lot more time. Sure it might be more expensive right now but that's only due to the fact that this is a burgeoning field of study on how to grow meat or raise insects at a rate to meet the demand for protien.

Now this may just sound like schitzo anti big government/corperation ranting but I ask you to wait and think about the logic for a second. Who stands to benefit from meat culturing or bug raising? Who stands to profit the most? The corperations that push it and fund it and will eventually purchase the patents for it. The environmentalists have no money and therefore are not the motivators, they just stand as a paper shield to say that the reason is morally driven and not profit driven.

Personally I'm not opposed to eating bugs as a potential tasty food or anything like that, I'm open minded and all that, however my biggest issue is this mentality and attitude about why it's being pushed, also that it's being pushed to replace the standard meats instead of supplement it. It's treating people like machines with a minimum energy quota to achieve efficiency while minimizing costs to produce said energy.

[Anonymous No.17044761]

I'll raise my own livestock if I have to, I do not trust big business at all. They will fuck with the meat infa 100% they already pump it full of soy & water

[Anonymous No.17044793]

>>17044546
There are multiple cuts of meat
Some of them have bone and other tissues
There are multiple edible animals
You can't replicate all that, best you can do is ground beef

[Anonymous No.17044799]

I'll kill and eat you before this filth enters my body you fucking zogshill.

[Anonymous No.17044813]

>>17044546
Call me when they make a new super meat. Doubt the meat industry would let this get far unless they control it completely anyway.

[Anonymous No.17044815]

>>17044793
wrong
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-create-first-3-d-printed-wagyu-beef-180978565/

[Anonymous No.17044816]

>>17044548
It apparently tastes ok, it's just that this process doesn't yet produce fat so it's very underwhelming

[Anonymous No.17045212]

>>17044546
Where do the tissue cultures come from anon?

[Anonymous No.17045214]

>>17045212
Aborted human fetuses

[Anonymous No.17045416]

>>17045214
At this point I really would not be surprised, at all. Shout out to Senomyx.

[Anonymous No.17045434]

Won't really hit unless traditional meat becomes a premium product.

[Anonymous No.17045461]

>>17045434
Which it inevitably will.

[Anonymous No.17045487]

>>17044546
Meat from animals uses sunlight (indirectly) as the energy source.
Meat from machines uses coal.

Lab meat has a huge extraneous cost to overcome. It also involves the extinction of all those animals and transfering our survival to relying on complex machinery over unstoppable nature.

It may happen but it's highly unlikely and will most likely be novelty for morons.

[Anonymous No.17045502]

>>17045487
>Meat from machines uses coal.
>It also involves the extinction of all those animals
I think there's been a pretty big effort lately for solar power. Also those animals don't have to go extinct. Some will probably be kept in zoos, or by people who want them as pets, and other conservation efforts especially to make sure that a supply of cells would always be available.

[Anonymous No.17045505]

>>17044761
private ownership of animals will be banned bro

[Anonymous No.17045513]

>>17044813
be intetesting to have blended meats on the cellular level lol

>Surf n Turf is literally blended Beeffish

[Anonymous No.17045543]

They've been saying this shit for 21 years. Call me when it's actually available and until then shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.17045592]

>>17045461
It already would be if the government subsidies stopped. But farmers have a massive lobbying presence so they won't be stopping any time soon.

Lab grown meat will need to get really cheap to really take off. They'll need to be targeting the high quality cuts to really make an impact. The shitty hoof and anus 'meat' used in cheap food will still be animal based for a long time.

[Anonymous No.17045606]

>>17045461
Yes but i doubt it will happen within the next few generations. Half of this country is still full of farms.

[Anonymous No.17045918]

Lab grown meat is inefficient and not scalable. This will trigger the fuck out of vegans and natsoc hippies, but the future is genetically engineered livestock and grain.

[Anonymous No.17046034]

>>17044748
Why are leftist memes so long?

[Anonymous No.17046291]

So what if it tastes like turkey?

Just add lots of salt and lots of ketchup and it'll be yummy thanksgiving.

[Anonymous No.17046335]

I don't trust this for the same reason why I don't trust insect based food, or plant based foods. You think you'll be eating the equivalent of a healthy salad, or digging fresh mealworms out of the dirt and cooking them. What you'll ACTUALLY get is 500 different chemicals, each with more letters and suffixes than even the most pretentious afrikan surname. They'll be pumping this "meat" with chemicals that will make high fructose corn syrup look like a damn health elixir in comparison.

Look, I like animals, and I don't like eating them any more than the next guy, but the meat is great in moderation and is a good source of protein when you're sick of downing beans and peanut butter. I'm not gonna sacrifice that so someone can pump me full of xeno-estrogens and soi.

[Anonymous No.17046351]

>>17044546
you are not factoring my spite into the business model, i will buy animal meat to spite the vegans / environmentalists.

[Anonymous No.17047005]

>>17046335
Hoo boy. I bet you're anti GMO too? Well I hope you don't have a dog. Also I hope you don't eat any form of the Brassica plant genus (spolier: You do)

[Anonymous No.17047056]

>>17044546
Is that capicola?

[Anonymous No.17047070]

>>17045502
nobody is gonna pay to see a fucking cow or a chicken at a zoo. this garbage will NEVER replace the livestock industry anyway. it'll end up just being a meme with a tiny market like everything else they've tried.

the ONLY way this shit will ever even make a dent in the meat industry is if it's dirt cheap and floods literally every store and this shit never is will it's impossible to scale up enough

[Anonymous No.17047132]

>>17044730
>basic morality™
Fag

[Anonymous No.17047167]

/>>17044546
ok but can it reproduce human meat?

[Anonymous No.17047171]

>>17047070
factually untrue, kids go to petting zoos/farms that just have basic chickens, cows, goats and stuff all the time

[Anonymous No.17047198]

>>17047005
Reproductive intervention is not the same thing as splicing fish genes into corn.

[Anonymous No.17047201]

>>17047171
kids are retarded and shouldn't exist

[Anonymous No.17047216]

>>17047201
Kids are awesome and antinatalism should carry the death penalty.

[Anonymous No.17047234]

If it's going to taste good and won't be unhealthy then I'm in. This way both vegans and me could coexist peacefully.

[Anonymous No.17047253]

>>17044546
>it works but it's not economic
So it doesn't work. Just because you have the means to apply a principle in the most restricted of circumstances, it doesn't mean you're gonna be able to upscale anytime soon.
The ancient greeks knew about steam power, it still took another 2000 years before the tech could actually go from mere toy to kickstarting industrialization.

[Anonymous No.17047474]

>>17046034

[Anonymous No.17048026]

>>17047005
What dog breed is roundup ready?

[Anonymous No.17048045]

>>17045502
You do realize that its not as simple as a cell biopsy right? You need to feed the biopsy fetal bovine serum, which requires killing a pregnant cow and sucking fluids out of the still living fetuses heart. Fetal bovine serum should only be used for medical purposes and not as a way to make "slaughter free meat". Honestly I'm not sure silicon valley assholes should be getting involved with food.

[Anonymous No.17048399]

>>17048045
>You need to feed the biopsy fetal bovine serum
I think once they're actually close to moving out of the research phase they'll try to find an alternative, because that wouldn't be viable to use for large-scale production. Also wouldn't go over great for potential customers if they hear about it.

[Anonymous No.17048720]

>>17045487
>Meat from machines uses coal.
Not all power is generated by coal you dingus. Hell coal only survives because of subsidies.

[Anonymous No.17049058]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mr-2jb6oNA

[Anonymous No.17049087]

>>17047005
You do not understand gene splicing and directly editing a DNA is different than selective breeding for specific traits? Are you quite young, or quite old?

[Anonymous No.17049104]

>>17049087
The only difference is that it's more efficient. Stop being a nigger.

[Anonymous No.17049125]

>>17049104
Tldnr concept: It would be efficient to get to work via catapult. It would not end well for the passanger.

The long version: in gene splicing you get novel protein interaction that sometimes results in a feature your aiming for, like frost resistance taken from fish DNA in a plant. You package the item for sale but find that it causes allergies in people also allergic to fish. So you move it to animal feed use to avoid being sued and decided to go back to the drawing board. Novel protein combos cause a rise in allergies among people but as long as your company makes Shure to invalidate or suppress or pay off any study out of existence you've got the time to get it right.

In natural plants you can maintain a seed bank of locally pest resistant seed, local weather tolerant seed.

In gmo you have to buy every year and hope the crop is not shit.

So a cow in a petri dish engineered to live in a petri dish is a questionable thing to me.

[Anonymous No.17049139]

>>17049125
See nature has been fiddling with the controls way longer than we have. We suck at it, like fingerprinting children.

[Anonymous No.17049141]

>>17049139
*Finger painting*

[Anonymous No.17049143]

>>17049125
paragraphs of tranny cope. fucking lmao

[Anonymous No.17049144]

>>17044546
Free range animals have better lives than they would in the wild, vegans fuck off

[Anonymous No.17049147]

>>17049143
I see now I'm trying to reason with a tryglodyte. Perhaps I am to blame here.

[Anonymous No.17049148]

>>17047132
Hi pol!

[Anonymous No.17049150]

>>17049148
>pol
Hi polesmoker.

[Anonymous No.17049156]

>>17049150
>/pol/ mentioned
>immediatly followed by homointhecloset reply
Like a clock.

[Anonymous No.17049159]

>>17049144
Because they're evolutionary abominations incapable living how they were supposed to. Like modern humans!

[Anonymous No.17049167]

>>17046034
literally everything I said was anti leftist you tard. I would draw and quarter them all if I could.

[Anonymous No.17049172]

>>17049159
They're prey, they're "supposed" to die. At least (some of us) kill them humanely

[Anonymous No.17049292]

>>17044548
This
>>17044761
This
>>17044730
>using bovine fetus to grow lab meat
>growing bovine fetus until it reaches maturity to be used as meat
The only winner in using lab meat are the companies selling their new product. It doesn't seem like it's any more moral.

[Anonymous No.17049322]

>>17049159
It's an odd fantasy to think that even undomesticated animals would have great lives in the wild. They all usually have a pretty horrible deaths for one reason or another.

[Anonymous No.17049329]

>>17044546
>be the future, 2040 or something
>meat is all lab grown
>farmer have gone out of business as megacorps pump the minimum amount of bug protein into stem cells to keep 'not slave populations alive
>mfw no garlic

[Anonymous No.17049725]

>>17044730
cuck mentality

[Anonymous No.17049773]

>>17049143
>imblying trannies aren't caused by shit like gmos
ngmi

[Anonymous No.17050999]

>>17048045
abortion is not murder chud

[Anonymous No.17051163]

>>17044730
morality doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.17051226]

>>17049156
>followed
But he called you a fag before you called him /pol/, you fucking retard.
Faggotry was brought into play BEFORE mentioning /pol/.

[Anonymous No.17051856]

>>17050999
I cant believe trips were wasted on the biggest retard in the universe.

If this was an abortion, abortions would be illegal and thots would never get them. What part of "kill the pregnant cow" did you not read?

[Anonymous No.17052766]

>>17044727
They fart too much, it's ruining the planet. Now go donate to BLM and vote Progressive already!

[Anonymous No.17053211]

>>17049159
>They would live a happier more fulfilling live in the wild!
Meanwhile on Nat Geo:
>"Watch how the mother uses it's recently born offspring as a distraction to save it's own life."
>"The lion may seem to be showing pity to the baby by licking it."
>"But it is actually just washing it before consumption."
>*Lion precedes to eat baby animal alive.*
>"Now here is a sad story about animal slowing dying to a treatable illness."

[Anonymous No.17053247]

>>17049159
Evolution is a lie

[Anonymous No.17053253]

>>17050999
vegetarians eating eggs is clear cognitive dissonance

[Anonymous No.17053876]

>>17044546
Genuinely can't wait; if it replaces shitty hormone-fed cyst-ridden factory meat then it's a win to me.

[Anonymous No.17053900]

>>17044546
If that meat is grown in the lab, where do the nutrients come in?

How does muscle tissue become tender?

Why are you such a fag? Copypasting cuckkit content should be a banable offense.

[Anonymous No.17053908]

>>17049148
Good little NPC!

[Anonymous No.17053919]

>>17044748
A future in which meat can be produced for less time, money, space, and environmental impact; utterly dystopian

[Anonymous No.17054027]

It annoys me so much that they pretend this shit is slaughter free. To grow cells in a dish you need a growth medium, in which you have growth hormones. The most typical way to have everything you need is to add Fetal Bovine Serum to your medium, which is beef fœtus juice basically. Synthetic alternative don't work nearly as good and wouldn't be commercially viable.

[Anonymous No.17054264]

>>17045487
Imagine being so narrow minded that you think the present will occur again tomorrow.
Even BP has a business as usual case of renewables increasing over the next 30 years and coal decreasing.
https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/energy-outlook/bp-energy-outlook-2020.pdf

[Anonymous No.17054287]

>>17044730
>muh morality
Be nice if you want to be faggot but dont impose your static belief upon me

[Anonymous No.17055177]

>>17054264
Reminder that this board is crawling with unironic ag industry shills and they always swarm this topic with their retarded talking points

[Anonymous No.17055901]

>>17044546
why do they play god?
why create life for the sole purpose of being consumed from the cells of animals
surely there is no greater hell than living as this slab of meat that had been taken from another life

[Anonymous No.17056035]

>>17044730
Another misanthrope playing at having compassion. How come you care so much about cows, most of which only exist to be consumed in the first place, yet taking food and pleasure from other humans gives you this perverted sense of righteousness?
Have you ever considered that your morality is actually quite lacking? You seem motivated by vengeance and exerting control against others, but act under a false sense of superiority, despite your completely unoriginal and unauthentic world view. You assume on the cows' behalf that it's better to have never existed at all than to live and die. If only someone could have made that decision for you.

[Anonymous No.17056046]

>>17044546
This image is a lie and a fabrication. They just took a piece of real meat and put it in a petri dish to make you think this is what it looks like so you start supporting this jewish scam.

Pic related is what it really looks like; like a piece of chewed up gum with red food coloring (which it is, it's an artificial semi-plastic scaffold made of soy onto which actual meat cells are grown over a very long time).

It will never look like actual meat, and it will never taste like actual meat. It has no texture, no flavor, and no composition that would make it pass.

[Anonymous No.17056071]

>>17044546
I don't trust lab-grown meat any more than I trust grocery store bread made from wheat with the germ stripped out and then "fortified" with vitamins and minerals, or seed oils that have to be oxidized to hell and back to turn them into a stable product. I don't trust our knowledge of nutrition to actually be complete enough that we won't miss something incredibly important but not realize it until decades later after it's ruined everyone's lives.

[Anonymous No.17056074]

>>17044546
not my problem
i'm gonna eat enslaved animals until I die and anyone who has to deal with the consequences can follow in my footsteps

[Anonymous No.17056086]

>>17056074
Based. I'm actually looking to buy a house on a couple acres of land to raise my own animals so I can have meat even after globohomo forces all grocery stores to stop carrying it.

[Anonymous No.17056089]

>>17044546
Fuck you, Ill eat all the farm animals I want.

[Anonymous No.17056854]

if it tastes good I dont give a shit
I dont care how most of the food I eat is made, I won't care if the meat I ate is artificial as long as its not sacrificing flavor or health benefits
the lessened environmental impact is a bonus but that will be solved by hanging oil barons and eating the rich

[Anonymous No.17056870]

>>17044546
I don't mind, feels inevitable. It's one more of those "the future" things I never thought I'd live to see.

[Anonymous No.17056877]

>>17044799
>schizoids will literally starve to death
Based.

[Anonymous No.17056895]

>>17053919
I would rather farm the bugs

[Anonymous No.17056909]

>>17056870
It's not. Lab grown meat isn't scalable. It's a big fat nothing burger scam to suck in government gibsmedats by already rich Californian hipsters. The future is genetically engineered grains and livestock. Why would you reinvent the wheel when you can make a more effective, more efficient wheel by trimming off the excess? Vegan ethics doesn't build society and neither does stormfag naturalism posturing. Enjoy dying for a cause nobody gives a shit about.

[Anonymous No.17056952]

>>17056909
What is your major malfunction, anon.

[Anonymous No.17057511]

>>17044748
>Who stands to benefit from meat culturing or bug raising? Who stands to profit the most?
The environment?

[Anonymous No.17057750]

>>17044546
>Meat that requires dedicated machines every step of the way
>Meat that can be made by throwing rotten vegetables into a pig sty
This will never be economical

[Anonymous No.17057820]

>>17056046
>you will never be a real hamburger

[Anonymous No.17057821]

>>17056046
anon, if it identifies as meat then...

[Anonymous No.17057919]

>>17056046
that looks like a little ball of cancer

[Anonymous No.17057925]

>>17056952
My major malfunction is that the world is heading into a technocratic doomstate no matter what anybody tells themselves and you're all being swindled on meaningless social causes to distract you from that end. Go build your homestead, anon, I'm sure it'll make you happier.

[Anonymous No.17057951]

Back in 2006 I worked at a meat and seafood counter in a crappy supermarket. I made $8.30 an hour and worked with people trying to start a new life after finishing their prison sentence. There was a big glass window and if you came in the morning you could see the butchers cutting the meat.
One night a regular couple came in. The news had reported some company was growing meat in a lab but I'd seen the photos and back then it looked like a booger on a petri dish.
The old man told me he knows I can grow meat in a lab and if I keep doing it he'll never shop at Albertson's again. He pointed to the butcher room with all the saws and cutting boards. His wife started shouting "they're growing the meat in a lab!" like we were making the soylent out of people.
They bought some meat that the butchers had packaged earlier that day.
Another time they came in and wanted fish. Upon learning the basa and tilapia were farm raised, the wife started yelling "he's putting mercury in the fish!"

[Anonymous No.17058036]

>>17057951
based, you probably were putting mercury in the fish you slimy fuck

[Anonymous No.17058059]

>>17056854
>looks and tastes good
lmao see
>>17056046

[Anonymous No.17058274]

>>17045212
Cow (or any other animal in question) cells. This can be easily done without killing the cow.

[Anonymous No.17058277]

>>17045502
>>17048720
>Solarcucks
Nuclear power is where it's at.

[Anonymous No.17058284]

>>17049125
People with allergies suck at being alive and are a burden on society, more at 11.

[Anonymous No.17058286]

>>17047167
There is no reason why it wouldn't be possible.

[Anonymous No.17058295]

>>17055901
>why do they play god?
Why not?

[Anonymous No.17058297]

>>17044546
Don't care, didn't ask. Still going to hunt for my meat.

[Anonymous No.17058414]

>>17045505
There are some things worse than death.

[Anonymous No.17058776]

>>17044799
You probably won’t have the strength faggot

[Anonymous No.17058820]

>>17044730
Animals aren't sapient dummy, there's no moral imperative against eating them

[Anonymous No.17058870]

>>17058820
Is it okay to eat retarded humans?

[Anonymous No.17058880]

>>17058870
No, because morality applies differently to your own species than to others.

[Anonymous No.17058891]

sugnifigant

[Anonymous No.17058914]

>>17058880
Why? What makes the species barrier any more sacred or profane than the consciousness barrier? It just sounds like you're drawing lines in the sand, anon. There's no inherent value to human life.

[Anonymous No.17058931]

>>17058914
>What makes the species barrier any more sacred or profane than the consciousness barrier?
Because working together as a species is what allows civilization to exist and eating your own kind is counterproductive to the goal of flourishing as a species.

[Anonymous No.17058942]

Daily reminder lab grown meat isn't scalable even if you remove le Big Agri subsidies (ignoring the fact that this shitty nothingburger of a Silicon Valley tech is getting subsidies for miles atm you fucking hypocrite) and paying hundreds of labcoats six figure salaries to grow cells in a lab will NEVER compete with the price of traditional livestock rearing.

[Anonymous No.17058944]

>>17044546
Anecdotally, I've heard that this stuff lacks a lot of the grease and flavor of your typical meat products. Has anyone actually had the chance to put this shit between their teeth?

[Anonymous No.17058949]

>>17058931
>working together as a species
That excuses the productive members, not the useless eaters.
>is counterproductive to the goal
Says you. The useless eaters do nothing but take up resources and contribute nothing to a utilitarian buildup of society. Worse than that: they suck up the productive resources of individual caregivers who have to either be paid (thereby diverting economic forces away from more utilitarian functions) or are unable to work otherwise (thereby removing their input into the economy or the sciences).

[Anonymous No.17058985]

>>17058949
Who gets to decide which humans to kill and eat? Do their families have a say in it? How do you build trust and cohesion in a society where those in charge can decide you're a burden and murder you? How does a trust-deficient society flourish?

[Anonymous No.17058995]

>>17058985
>Who gets to decide which humans to kill and eat? Do their families have a say in it? How do you build trust and cohesion in a society where those in charge can decide you're a burden and murder you? How does a trust-deficient society flourish?
All irrelevant to the mortality of eating useless eaters. You never managed to demonstrate your logical precepts as valid and now you're changing the goalposts. You can't do it, can you? A better anon than you, could. How sad.

[Anonymous No.17059005]

It's fine to eat retarded people; in fact, vegetables are good for you.

[Anonymous No.17059024]

>>17058942
>434KG of water to make 1KG of lab meat
>$485 per KG total costs
The kind of efficiency only a college degree can provide.

[Anonymous No.17059050]

>>17058995
My original point was that morality applies differently to one's own species. The reasoning is that it fosters the ability to create, grow, and maintain a civilization. The reason it does that is arbitrarily labeling certain people "useless" and killing them would destroy all trust within that civilization and keep people from working together the way a civilization needs. How did the goalposts move in any way? It's immoral to kill humans because it would harm our species and society even if we killed "useless" people. Killing cows, pigs, and chickens does not have the same effect.

[Anonymous No.17059175]

>>17059024
it used to cost like $100k per kg 10 years ago

[Anonymous No.17059387]

>>17047005
Considering that GMOs are used to destroy small farms thanks to corporate espionage and lawsuit trolling, I'm not a fan of it either. Or are you ignorant of everything Monsanto does?