/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16996862]

>The American Heart Association was founded in 1924 as a response to the increasing number of heart attacks (virtually unheard of before 1900) caused by Crisco, which was introduced in 1911.
can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.16996881]

>>16996862
Heard disease was common all the way back in ancient Egyptian times, you dunce. Just because people in the 19th century were more worried about creating massive sweatshops than advancing cardiology, doesn't mean heart attacks magically popped up in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.16996891]

>>16996881
Thanks Procter and Gamble. You want to shill me some of your seed oils next?

[Anonymous No.16996924]

>>16996862
>can't make this shit up
You just fucking did. There were huge advances in pathology following the invention of xray imaging in 1895 and its widespread use in the early 20th century. Hospitals around the world could detect more accurate causes of natural peaceful death without the need for unnecessary autopsies.
The "increasing number of heart attacks" was a global phenomenon and yet you're blaming it on a fucking vegetable shortening brand in the US? Jesus christ, get some perspective.

[Anonymous No.16996948]

>>16996862
>(virtually unheard of before 1900)
Before that, they just said you died.

Your assertion and your data can't be correct. There are recent studies that show that mummies from 4 different parts of the world had atheriosclorosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5501035/

[Anonymous No.16996952]

>>16996881
>Heard disease
what? speak up

[Anonymous No.16996961]

>>16996924
>seed oils were ONLY getting adopted in the US in the early 20th century
fucking retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.16996986]

>>16996961
>completely ignores the part about advances in pathology at the exact same time
You're fixated.

[Anonymous No.16996994]

>>16996891
>>16996961
>muh seed oils
The problem with Crisco was that it was HYDROGENATED seed oils, you colossal tard. Seed oils weren't magically introduced in the twentieth century.

[Anonymous No.16996996]

it's because corn is heavily subsidized in the US, which is mostly processed into HFCS and put into EVERYTHING. get rid of those subsidies and put them toward healthy food, and they'd become cheap. but you'd have to deal with the farmers having a massive seething fit if they were cut off from the government teat.

ain't it funny how those who vote for the party that is ostensibly for "small government" benefit the most from a welfare government?

[Anonymous No.16997166]

>>16996862
>heart attacks (virtually unheard of before 1900)

[Anonymous No.16997255]

>>16996862
>virtually unheard of before 1900

[Anonymous No.16997271]

>>16996862

[Anonymous No.16997276]

>>16996862
>heart attacks (virtually unheard of before 1900)
heart attack = cardiac arrest = your fucking heart stops = the cause of every god damn death ever.

[Anonymous No.16997287]

>>16997276
I'm guessing he probably meant heart attacks from cardiovascular disease were unheard of before 1900, which is accurate.

[Anonymous No.16997300]

>>16997287
it was only "unheard of" because people didn't know it existed.

[Anonymous No.16997336]

>>16997287
When the average person died before the 20th century, they didn't get a full invasive autopsy and cause of natural death listed because it just wasn't feasible or necessary most of the time. They wouldn't be bothered to cut open every poor man's chest cavity and examine his heart after death just to check.
As mentioned previously, the medical imaging technology was introduced and made widespread at exactly this point in history. Diagnoses began to become widespread at the exact same time the technology to perform the diagnoses was made available.

But no. It was the fucking Crisco, apparently. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.16997526]

ITT: OP gets anally violated for being a midwit so hard not even his cock-cracving ass enjoys it

[Anonymous No.16997805]

>>16997271
>13 - coincidence,jpg
Go back

[Anonymous No.16997821]

>>16997300
>>16997336
>$0.05 has been deposited into your account

[Anonymous No.16998166]

>>16997526
He keeps coming back, so I have a feeling he likes it.

[Anonymous No.16998181]

>>16997166
>>16997255
>>16997271
If it glows it glows

[Anonymous No.16998215]

In 2018 the CEO of the AHA made 1.7 million dollars .

[Anonymous No.16998630]

The only use I have for Crisco is for throwing spitballs and sliders.

[Anonymous No.16998646]

>>16996862
Sound pretty plausible to me.
>>16996924
You're either incredibly credulous, or a fucking shill.
Either, I'm going with FUCKING RETARD.
Ever heard of Royal Rife(1888–1971)??
He created a machine with those SAME FUCKING TUBE technologies to cure CANCER among other things.
You've been lied to all your life, or had the lies repeated to you by well meaning but intellectually lazy parents, friends and teachers.
Good luck ANON, make sure you take ALL the vaccines.

[Anonymous No.16998648]

>>16996891
>pic oblige

[Anonymous No.16998656]

>>16996994
Name the fucking seed oils that people used and ate prior to 1880, faggot...I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.16998670]

>>16997336
Ask me how I know you're a fat fuck shill.
>When the average person died before the 20th century, they didn't get a full invasive autopsy
Are you saying you are completely unaware of the brisk trade black market for corpses from the 16th century on?? For medical and experimental use? Never fucking heard of Frankenstein??
OPINION FUCKING DISCARDED

[Anonymous No.16998676]

Reminder that refined flour, refined sugar, and, particularly, refined oil are all really fucking bad for you.
Being a fat retard or a paid shill will not change this.

[Anonymous No.16998974]

>>16998656
People have made cooking oils from seeds for centuries you fucking idiot lmao

[Anonymous No.16998996]

>>16998974
OLIVES AND COCONUTS ARE FUCKING FRUITS, NAME ONE FAGGOT.

[Anonymous No.16999031]

>>16998996
Grapeseed oil.
Mango butter.
Hempseed oil.
Almond oil.
Cottonseed oil.
Linseed (flax) oil.
Nigga fucking Sesame oil????

[Anonymous No.16999042]

>>16998996
"Sesame, cited by ancient Greek writers, was cultivated for oil in ancient Babylon. As one of the oldest vegetable oils, it is pressed from the seeds. Archeologists have uncovered sesame seeds and elaborate oil extract equipment dating around 900-600 BCE near Yerevan in Armenia."

[Anonymous No.16999109]

>>16999031
NONE of those were used for cooking before 1880 and the hexane distillation made possible by oil production.
>Mango butter.
you claiming that was in widespread use for cooking previous to 1880??
>Sesame oil
Same thing, nigger. You think the west was cooking predominately with ANY of these oils?
No...It was animal fat, olive oil and MAYBE coconut oil, rarely.
>>16999042
Do you use sesame oil in quantity for everyday cooking, anon?? I don't think you do.
The fact of the matter is that Crisco and wesson were both originally made of cottonseed oil, not used legally for cooking until 1889.
Corn, soybean, flax and rapeseed,(canola) are all extracted with HEXANE then hydrogenated.
Those other 3 AREN'T IN WIDE USE, and have only come into vogue because of retard VEGANS.
Did you even fucking read the premise??
KYS.

[Anonymous No.16999116]

>>16999109
Nigger you asked me to name oils used in cooking and when i told you several you went off about vegans.
Grow the fuck up and accept that sesame oil has been a thing for over 2000 years.
"Do yOu uSe It iN hIgH quAntItIeS???"
Have you heard of fucking Asia?

[Anonymous No.16999120]

>>16999109
This dumbass is saying to refer to the question when the question said nothing about the US. Your dumbass just said
>"Name the fucking seed oils that people used and ate prior to 1880, faggot...I'll wait."

[Anonymous No.16999129]

>>16999116
Holy Fuck! Did you just jump into this in the fucking middle and try to tell me I'M fucking wrong?
>what is the OP's posit, hurrrr duurrrrr!!

[Anonymous No.16999139]

>>16999120
You have to be the most retarded millenial I've read something from TODAY!
>WHAT IS CONTEXT?
Just fucking quit before you embarrass yourself further--~OR~
Read the thread FROM THE TOP and try again.

[Anonymous No.16999147]

>>16999139
"Name the fucking seed oils that people used and ate prior to 1880, faggot...I'll wait."
"Vegans bad"
"Hydrogenated oils bad"

You're more obsessed about seed oils than vegans are about animals. Get a hobby.

[Anonymous No.16999170]

>Americans are fat and unhealthy because they don't eat enough vegetables!
>okay well what if we replace butter and oil with a shortening made from 100% vegetables?
>NO NO NO NO NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT THAT'S NOT REAL VEGETABLES THAT'LL GIVE YOU HEART DISEASE YOU'LL GET FAT AND DIE IT'S NOT REAL VEGETABLES IT'S NOT REAL VEGETABLES STOP EATING CRISCO IT'S UNHEALTHY I SWEAR IT'S NOT REAL VEGETABLES STOP STOP STOP STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP TRUST THE SCIENCE TRUST THE SCIENCE TAKE THE VAX DON'T EAT CRISCO DON'T EAT CRISCO TAKE THE VAX CHUD

[Anonymous No.16999181]

>>16999170
Unironically Crisco is shit compared to other oils and you should get vaxxed so I can leave the kitchen and vacation in the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.16999193]

>>16999147
this is the way cu/ck/s gracefully lose??
The whole point was that Crisco, made of cottonseed, a WASTE PRODUCT seed, (read the fucking history,) spawned a whole organization as a response to the epidemic of health issues caused by this "food" product.
Seed oils weren't in wide use either for the home user or commercial use in America or the WEST until 1889, previous to that It was either Olive oil or animal fats.

[Anonymous No.16999200]

>>16999147
>"Name the fucking seed oils that people used and ate prior to 1880, faggot...I'll wait."
In the WEST
>"Vegans bad"
No just misguided, and often self-righeous
>"Hydrogenated oils bad"
YES!

[Anonymous No.16999204]

>>16999200
"The civilizations that spread to the rest of the world don't count reeeeeeee"

[Anonymous No.16999230]

>>16999204
What, China??
What do they have to do with CRISCO??
You know they predominately cooked with animal fat too, right??
The Greeks and Romans certainly weren't deep frying in sesame oil...Olive oil, maybe, Tallow or lard, DEFINITELY.
What are you trying to say? that Nomadic shepherds and cattlemen didn't predominately cook in animal fat?
Even in India, they used ghee predominately--NOT sesame oil.

[Anonymous No.16999420]

>>16999230
You silly melanin-enriched individual. What do you think was used during lean days in Europe during the Middle Ages? It wasn't lard or tallow, since those are animal products. Neither was olive oil, since a) it was expensive as fuck for poorfags; b) it was transported in oxhide bladders, thus the Church considered it 'tainted'. It was old-fashioned cold-pressed hempseed, flaxseed, colza (nobody gave a fuck about erucic acid in the old days), pumpkinseed (after they got introduced from the Americas), a bit of walnut (though that one gets rancid quickly).

[Anonymous No.16999464]

>>16999420
finally, a reasonable retort.
Thank you for that, muh vassel.
these are still natural oils however, and you'd be hard pressed,(pun int.) to cold press corn, soy, rapeseed, etc. into any usable oil of quantity.
Butter was still a thing though, and I'd wager that most who were poor, would do without, rather than toss a chunk of some "Crystalized cottonseed oil"(where Crisco gets the name) which would in turn cause the keeling over of knights and the palpatations of plump damsels hearts.
As an analogous aside--have you ever seen the graph of US obesity juxtaposed to the mass marketing of diet drinks/sweeteners?
Hint: the first FOLLOWS the last.
Thanks Rumsfeld, you prick!!

[Anonymous No.16999469]

>>16999420
Careful. That's not "west" enough for him.

[Anonymous No.16999472]

>>16999469
don't be petulant, anon.

[Anonymous No.16999473]

>>16999464
Jesus christ you're way too autistic for this board. Do you talk like this when you talk to normal people in person?

[Anonymous No.16999476]

>>16999472
You wore a fedora in high school, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.16999487]

>>16999473
I'm not an Autist, or even a spectrum aspie.
And yes, I do.
>>16999476
Not even close. but I do have some choice pics from right after a Gwar concert.
You can't get inside my head, faggot, you haven't the capacity.

[Anonymous No.16999497]

>>16999464
>Butter was still a thing though
Butter is also an animal product, so no-no on lean days, or during the period immediately prior to Christmas or Easter.

[Anonymous No.16999506]

>>16999497
Do you suppose, there were a lot of heart attacks, arterial sclerosis and obesity among the poor in the "lean times" in the middle ages??
Is that what we're really talking about here?
Or are going to shove those goalposts just a little bit further?

[Anonymous No.16999523]

>>16999487
Ah so you're a narcissist who speaks with overly intricate synonyms to give yourself feelings of superiority when in actuality you alienate yourself by doing so. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.16999540]

>>16999506
>Or are going to shove those goalposts just a little bit further?
I just wanted to dispel the dumb myth that "nobody used vegetable (seed) oils in the old days!"
People used seed oils about twice a week, and sometimes for an entire month prior to Christmas or Easter.

[Anonymous No.16999542]

>>16999523
nope. but I have met quit a few narcs.
I frequently self assess, and question myself. and when I'm wrong I can admit it.
A trait you seem not to have. So... Who's the real narcissist here?
> overly intricate synonyms
If that's overly intricate for ya...
you're more of a mid-wit than I thought.

[Anonymous No.16999553]

>>16999540
I'll concede that point.
Mine was about the correlation of Crisco, and other unnatural oils to the increase of vascular disease, (and further, how the American heart association seems to have been a gatekeeper for the industry's profits..had I gotten that far.)

[Anonymous No.16999573]

>>16999553
Quite fair, industrially-processed fats are a scourge.

[Anonymous No.17000505]

bump

[Anonymous No.17001888]

>linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid.
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246