/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16978248]

They both mean the same thing.
Stop using "umami" when we have a perfectly suitable word in the English language.

[Anonymous No.16978251]

there is literally an herb named savory and it tastes nothing like umami. what a shit post.

[Anonymous No.16978257]

ooooooow mommy

[Anonymous No.16978276]

>>16978251
/thread

[Anonymous No.16978288]

>>16978248
Racist zoomers are convinced they mean the same thing because they never lived in the pre-umami word in which savory meant a very different thing and older racists had not yet engaged in the intense self-deception it took to tell themselves that's what they always meany by savory.

[Anonymous No.16978298]

Nobody says either, people don't talk like that

[Anonymous No.16978302]

savoury means salt sweet means sugar. these are the 2 flavours.

[Anonymous No.16978327]

Umamidesu ne

[Anonymous No.16978376]

Whenever I've had real life conversations with people about this shit, we always say umami as an appropriately foreign word and concept, often stressing the syllables to imitate some imaginary hipster that thinks it's amazing. No one really gives a shit about whether it's the same thing as savory, it's just MSG flavor.

[Anonymous No.16978387]

>noooo you can't use loan words that have a more specific meaning

[Anonymous No.16978576]

It's a more precise term, I don't give a shit about what's hip.
Also I'm not american, hence I don't sound like a retard when I say umami

[Anonymous No.16978606]

>>16978248
>perfectly suitable word in the English language.
In addition to being a herb >>16978251 savory is also the name for the salty dish served at the end of an English dinner. The classic example is angels on horseback, or, for the presumptuous poors, sardines on toast. The general defining thing about savories, as a course, is that they're quite salty (although they are also generally going to be quite full of glutamates, because most foodstuffs with a lot of salt also have a lot of glutamates)

[Anonymous No.16978614]

>>16978248
Japanese women >>>>>>>>>>>> English women

[Anonymous No.16978645]

>>16978614
Hell, Japanese men >>>>>> white women

[Anonymous No.16978649]

>>16978248
Agreed. Same with mouthfeel, it's just a pretentious way of saying texture

[Anonymous No.16978654]

>>16978649
Nice sarcasm. For those who don't get it, texture is only a tiny aspect of what mouthfeel describes.

[Anonymous No.16978659]

>>16978654
No, they're literally synonyms

[Anonymous No.16978661]

>>16978659
If you have a small working vocabulary it can seem that way, I agree to that much.

[Anonymous No.16978678]

>>16978248
are you the same kind of sperg who gets triggered when someone says "ergo" instead of "therefore"

[Anonymous No.16978725]

stop trying to use new words to describe things.
hot already means spicy and it also means a high temperature so if you don't understand what someone means when they say "this food is hot" then you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.16978732]

>>16978649
Mouthfeel is the worst zoomer gourmet word.
It is literally Newspeak.

[Anonymous No.16978745]

>>16978649
>>16978732
>>16978725
hope you guys never use the word cool to describe anything other than temperature
fucking retards

[Anonymous No.16978829]

>>16978745
I don't.

[Anonymous No.16978955]

>>16978302
and umami means msg, bitter means alkaloids and sour means acids

[Anonymous No.16978971]

> NOOOO you must use the nippon word!

[Anonymous No.16978973]

>>16978614
IDK man, both are nasty

[Anonymous No.16978985]

>>16978248
Savory just means non-sweet. Umami specifically refers to the taste of MSG. Stop having autism, faggot.

[Anonymous No.16979044]

>>16978649
t. has never drunk wine

[Anonymous No.16979151]

nooooo I neeed to feel smart and cultured by using this new fancy word

[Anonymous No.16979303]

Words do not have definitions; really they have uses. If I were to successfully communicate my meaning and intention ten times out of ten when using the word "savory", I should be satisfied that I have no need for the alternative, even if it presents a technically distinct use case that I do not ever find the need to employ.

[Anonymous No.16979345]

>>16979303
But you won't, because savory is so much vaguer than umami. You might feel like you've communicated what you meant, but if you meant umami you probably won't have.

[Anonymous No.16979354]

>>16979345
It's difficult communicating with someone who has a rudimentary grasp of english, Deng. How many years of shitposting do you have left before they'll let you see your wife and kid again?

[Anonymous No.16979382]

>>16979345
You're missing the point. Whatever vagueness you *think* is there really isn't. Not in any meaningful way. Words have use cases before they have definitions.

[Anonymous No.16979462]

>>16978251
>an herb

[Anonymous No.16980016]

>>16978248
to be honest, you have to have a pretty high IQ to appreciate the differences between savory and umami

[Anonymous No.16980071]

Umami is a more specific kind of savory from glutamate we lack a good word for so most people just say umami.

[Anonymous No.16980155]

>>16978659
Then you're not using them right

[Anonymous No.16980164]

When was the last time you thought of mushrooms and meat as a savoury dish?

[Anonymous No.16980347]

[Anonymous No.16980409]

>>16980164
Mushrooms and meat are a savory dish. People outside of Japan didn't start using Umami to describe savory dishes until a few years ago. What did we say before that? We said savory. It's a perfectly fine descriptor for a dish with deep earthy, spicy, or bitter flavors. Umami is just a buzzword people use because TV chefs use it.

[Anonymous No.16980492]

>>16980409
We were not talking about umami. We were contrasting anything against sweetness. And those of us still using our language correctly still use it in that fashion.

[Anonymous No.16980514]

>>16980409
>umami is a descriptor for deep earthy, spicy, or bitter flavors
just admit that you are among the tastelets that can’t identify umami in a dish
umami isn’t a flavour, it’s more like sweet, salty or sour hence why savoury is a shit descriptor for it

[Anonymous No.16980585]

>>16978248
I use "glutamic"

[Anonymous No.16980594]

>>16980409
>What did we say before that? We said savory.
i dont believe you.

[Anonymous No.16980609]

>>16980514
Did you just call someone a tastelet for not being able to identify umami, and also admit umami isn't even a flavor?

[Anonymous No.16980615]

"savory" is a flavor in English, not a basic taste. It is traditionally described as partly salty.
Umami is a basic taste and the receptors for it were discovered by Japanese researchers, which is why we use a Japanese word for it.

Getting angry about foreign words in cooking is silly, you're going up against several hundred years of tradition for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.16981275]

>>16979462
>aluminium

[Anonymous No.16982063]

>>16978248
This is always the same thread.
Stop posting this thread when we've had a thoroughly terminated discussion on the subject of umami vs. savoury.

[Anonymous No.16982350]

>>16979462
Americans turn into French people for a second whenever they need to say herb.

[Anonymous No.16983158]

u ma'am ee

[Anonymous No.16983248]

>>16983158
Oo mommy

[Anonymous No.16983682]

>>16978288
>Racist zoomers are convinced they mean the same thing because they never lived in the pre-umami word in which savory meant a very different thing and older racists had not yet engaged in the intense self-deception it took to tell themselves that's what they always meany by savory.
>>16978251
>there is literally an herb named savory and it tastes nothing like umami. what a shit post.
>>16978276
>/thread
>>16978955
>and umami means msg, bitter means alkaloids and sour means acids
>>16978387
>>noooo you can't use loan words that have a more specific meaning
>>16978576
>It's a more precise term, I don't give a shit about what's hip.
>Also I'm not american, hence I don't sound like a retard when I say umami
>>16978645
>Hell, Japanese men >>>>>> white women
>>16978654
>Nice sarcasm. For those who don't get it, texture is only a tiny aspect of what mouthfeel describes.
>>16978661
>If you have a small working vocabulary it can seem that way, I agree to that much.
>>16980155
>Then you're not using them right
>>16978678
>are you the same kind of sperg who gets triggered when someone says "ergo" instead of "therefore"
>>16978985
>Savory just means non-sweet. Umami specifically refers to the taste of MSG. Stop having autism, faggot.
>>16979345
>But you won't, because savory is so much vaguer than umami. You might feel like you've communicated what you meant, but if you meant umami you probably won't have.
>>16980016
>to be honest, you have to have a pretty high IQ to appreciate the differences between savory and umami
>>16980071
>Umami is a more specific kind of savory from glutamate we lack a good word for so most people just say umami.
>>16980514
>>umami is a descriptor for deep earthy, spicy, or bitter flavors
>just admit that you are among the tastelets that can’t identify umami in a dish
>umami isn’t a flavour, it’s more like sweet, salty or sour hence why savoury is a shit descriptor for it

[Anonymous No.16983691]

>>16980615
>"savory" is a flavor in English, not a basic taste. It is traditionally described as partly salty.
>Umami is a basic taste and the receptors for it were discovered by Japanese researchers, which is why we use a Japanese word for it.
>Getting angry about foreign words in cooking is silly, you're going up against several hundred years of tradition for no good reason.
>>16982063
>This is always the same thread.
>Stop posting this thread when we've had a thoroughly terminated discussion on the subject of umami vs. savoury.