/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16954896]

carbonara with cream or out?

[Anonymous No.16954904]

>>16954896
it isn't carbonara if it has cream
how many times does this conversation need to be had

[Anonymous No.16954928]

>>16954896
My mum makes "carbonara" with leeks cream and chicken

[Anonymous No.16954930]

>>16954896
I add crème fraîche to carbonara and it just makes it better.

[Anonymous No.16954954]

>>16954896
it's carbonara or alfredo, carbonara doesn't have cream by definition, alfredo does

[Anonymous No.16954965]

>>16954896
My mom made it with cream and diced spam and that's just what I grew up with it. I once added cheese whiz to it and I can't go back, seriously you need to try it.

[Anonymous No.16954974]

>>16954904
This debate will continue till the end of time, me I like both but depends on the weather hot no cream cold I’ll add cream

[Anonymous No.16954977]

>>16954965
I add some spinach but iv been trying silverbeet lately, it’s alright

[Anonymous No.16954982]

>>16954954
How about when you add the egg, do you let it cook for a bit or stir straight in?

[Anonymous No.16955065]

>>16954982
you keep stirring and make sure it's the right temperature so it coats the pasta correctly without cooking (too hot) or being a disgusting sloppy mess (too cold)

[Anonymous No.16955159]

>>16954904
why not?

[Anonymous No.16955195]

>>16954982
i'm a pleb so i sous vide my sauce to get it to the exact right temp

[Anonymous No.16955264]

>>16955159
it's just not in the recipe. It's like saying you'd like a hamburger with a slice of cheese. It's not a hamburger anymore it's a cheese burger.

Carbonara with cream isn't carbonara, it's a creamy pasta dish. It might be very similar and a lot of places may just call it carbonara, but it technically isn't if you go by the original recipe. Adding cream drastically alters the texture and flavor of the dish.

[Anonymous No.16955282]

I make my carbonara with bacon, Szechuan peppercorns, pecorino Romano, water, duck eggs, and pasta. Is this still carbonara?

[Anonymous No.16955301]

>>16955264
>if you go by the original recipe
Stop clinging to the original. recipes change all the time and having variations to suit your taste is a part of that. You want a new name for every possible variation?
Cream/no cream
bacon/pancetta/guanciale
garlic/no garlic
yolk only/or whole egg
that's only 4 variations and can make 24 combinations. You going to come up with 24 names and cry when someone just calls all of them carbonara?

[Anonymous No.16955330]

>>16955301
I'm not clinging dude, that's just what it is.

If you added cream to hollandaise sauce would it still be hollandaise? Cuz that's essentially what you're doing in this situation. I like creamy pasta dishes, I make them, you can call them carbonara if you want. But it's not what it is.

I don't see why you have to get so butt hurt about me saying mac n cheese is not the same as carbonara. They taste different. Sorry the last time you tried to make it you ended up with clumpy scrambled eggs, and now you need strangers' validation on the internet to tell you your mac n cheese is the same thing.

[Anonymous No.16955350]

>>16955330
You seem very butthurt for someone calling others butthurt.

[Anonymous No.16955359]

>>16955350
lol ok

[Anonymous No.16955653]

>>16954896
It's better with cream, but you need to learn how to make it without cream first or you'll probably get into a habit of using too much cream.

[Anonymous No.16955723]

For me it tastes absolutely fine without cream. If i wanted to impress someone i'd use cream though.

[Anonymous No.16955931]

When do you put the soup mix in?

[Anonymous No.16957127]

Obviously without.
Cream in carbonara is both a culinary mistake and not the right recipe
If someone tells me he make carbonara with cream I immediately know he can't cook

[Anonymous No.16957152]

>>16957127
I can't use cream, can I use coconut milk or almond milk?

[Anonymous No.16957541]

>>16957152
no, but you can use them for your enema

[Anonymous No.16957648]

carbonara withour cream is just shit noodles with raw egg

inb4 muh italian cuisine

italian food has no other flavor than garlic

[Anonymous No.16957652]

>>16955931
Cream of mushroom soup comes in powdered form? I don't think I have ever seen this.

[Anonymous No.16957790]

>>16957648
> Retarded opinion
> Reddit spacing
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.16957860]

>>16957152
Those are not milk and will not function like milk in actual cooking, they are essentially water

[Anonymous No.16958607]

>>16955264
>It's not a hamburger anymore
are italians really this autistic?

[Anonymous No.16958925]

>>16958607
He point out a bad example for subtle language reasons
Just substitute his example with chili and beans and you're good to go
Also you should kys retarded frogposter

[Anonymous No.16959134]

>>16954896
I'll get 1 carbonara wit and one witout

[Anonymous No.16959149]

>>16959134
we is out of guanciale

[Anonymous No.16959174]

>>16955264
>if my grandma had wheels she would be a bicycle
=
"if i add cheese to my hamburger its no longer a hamburger"

[Anonymous No.16959392]

>>16958925
Another retard that thinks you can't put beans in chili

[Anonymous No.16959400]

>>16954896
you can eat your creamy pasta and enjoy it of course.

But if you use anything other than eggs, pecorino, guancale and pepper its not a carbonara.

> I exchanged beef for pork, is it still a pork roast?
> I switched minced meat with tofu, is it still a ragu a la bolognese?
> I made an alcoholic beverage from grapes, is it still a beer?

[Anonymous No.16959407]

I think it tastes good either way. Nothing wrong with a creamy carbonara. It's just cream, all it does is add fat which tastes good.

[Anonymous No.16959434]

>>16959400
drink up big boy

[Anonymous No.16959483]

>>16959434
you will never be a beer

[Anonymous No.16959650]

>>16954896
Without cream because vicenzo told me so

[Anonymous No.16959659]

>>16955301
carbonara has guanciale, pecorino, egg and black pepper
that's it. if you use different ingredients you're not making carbonara

[Anonymous No.16959665]

carbonara with cream is carbonara with cream. coffee doesn't like turn into water and stop being coffee if you add sugar or milk.

[Anonymous No.16959667]

>>16959665
but if you add milk to espresso it stops being an espresso you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.16959669]

>>16954896
Neither. The most flavoursome and healthiest carbonara is with Greek yoghurt.

[Anonymous No.16959687]

>>16959667
If there was no word for it it would be an espresso with milk.

[Anonymous No.16959692]

Tastes way better with cream

[Anonymous No.16959694]

>>16959687
that doesn't work because there is a word for it

[Anonymous No.16959704]

>>16959694
If there was no word for it it would be an espresso with milk.

[Anonymous No.16959709]

i love my carbonara noodles with oat cream and beyond meat

[Anonymous No.16959713]

>>16954896
Noodles with bacon, eggs and cheese. Add cream or whatever if you feel like it. Fuck carbonara.

[Anonymous No.16959844]

>>16959709
What does this kind of meat go beyond?

[Anonymous No.16959892]

>>16957648
There's no garlic in carbonara, if it tastes like garlic to you then I suggest brushing your teeth more often

[Anonymous No.16959900]

>>16954896
depends on what you like to eat cause who gives a fuck either way except retard autists.

[Anonymous No.16959903]

>>16954896
>literally arguing over a fucking italian poorshits way to stretch out their surplus salted pork jowls and rotting milk.

[Anonymous No.16960091]

>>16959844
Even further.

[Anonymous No.16960205]

>>16960091
To the outer limits?

[Anonymous No.16960256]

>>16959665
> "Here you go sir, your filet mignon medium-rare with a side of rosemary potatoes and pepper sauce as ordered. We replaced the filet with boiled shank, the potatoes with tomatoes and the pepper sauce with vanilla sauce. But its still the same right?

did your mother drop you often anon?

[Anonymous No.16960261]

>>16954896
why would i put out in my carbonara?

[Anonymous No.16960278]

juice

[Anonymous No.16960303]

>>16960256
>If you use a slightly different cut of pig, it's the same as if you used entirely different ingredients and it's no longer the same thing!
Why are Italians so fucking autistic? It's noodles and bacon, stop getting your panties in a twist.

[Anonymous No.16960318]

>>16960303
> slightly different cut of pig
guanciale is from the cheeks, they are quite a bit different than bacon.
> slightly different diary product
cheese is very different from cream wouldnt you say?

So she did drop you alot. thx for your reply.

[Anonymous No.16960323]

>>16960318
She dropped me off at your parents so I could fuck you mom while you dad masturbated pathetically in the corner.

[Anonymous No.16960325]

>>16960318
Honestly, I use chicken because it's healthier, but I don't use cream. Is that still carbonara, or do you have to throw a screaming temper tantrum and come up with a different name, you greasy, disgusting, turk rape baby mongrel dog fucking WOP?

[Anonymous No.16960327]

>>16954896
As a cultivated man, I don't know what this carbonara with cream is? Since when did we add cream to a carbonara? Next thing you are gonna tell me is that people cook their pasta beyond al dente when it's served in a sauce...

[Anonymous No.16960332]

>>16960327
of course i'd cook my noodles properly, nobody other than shitalian want to chew on their "il divo" noodles

[Anonymous No.16960333]

>>16960325
Not him, but no it's not carbonara, since rendering the fat of your pig part (don't know it in english) is part of it.
Also, why are you so mad about being wrong about what is in a dish?

[Anonymous No.16960340]

>>16960333
>pig part
What's the word in your language? Maybe we can figure this out.

[Anonymous No.16960353]

>>16954896
It's a hundred times better with cream, Italians are just ginormous faggots

[Anonymous No.16960361]

>>16955282
I would say yes because there's no cream.
Alfredo also doesn't have cream, the only difference between the two (the other being carbonara) is the egg.

[Anonymous No.16960364]

>>16960340
I went full retard and forgot Guanciale is Italian, and does not need translation from X to english...
So Guanciale
>>16960353
It is great both ways, cream way is easier, but it's also more "indulgent".
It's the difference between 50g of butter in your masehed potatoes, and 250g in it.
I can be a snobb about it, but in the end, I don't care if people just fry bacon and use cream, or if they go full authentic, I do both because both are good.

[Anonymous No.16960368]

>>16960333
Why are you Guidos so mad when someone does something slightly different? We've already established itt that you autistic swarthy greaseballs think that if you put cheese on a burger, it's an ENTIRELY different meal. Guanciale tastes almost exactly like bacon, almost the same exact texture, bacon renders the same fucking way, and bacon is more ubiquitous in the rest of the world than guanciale, and people in the rest of the world commonly adjust recipes according to tastes and according to what can be found in the supermarket. Oh, but not dagos! No, you insist that it has to be made a specific way, yet you can't even agree amongst yourselves what that way is. Eat my shit encrusted hemorrhoidal asshole, you disgusting niggers.

[Anonymous No.16960379]

>>16960368
>We've already established itt that you autistic swarthy greaseballs think that if you put cheese on a burger, it's an ENTIRELY different meal.
No, all that was said is that there is a difference between a hamburger and a cheeseburger. Not entirely different, but not the same either.
This is the only point I care to go against, you are clearly just a pissed of person, and I don't care to argue with female behavior.

[Anonymous No.16960383]

>>16960364
>Guanciale
Here in the states the hillbillies call that jowl bacon. Only hillbillies and serial killers or some wacky redneck combination of the two are pig farmers here. Tangential to that butchers died in the 1960s with the advent of the Supermarket. I'll get some flack for that statement but it's like horses. There's still horses but it's not the same as EVERYONE having horses as a personal utility.

[Anonymous No.16960398]

>>16960383
And I don't care if you use bacon instead, or if you enjoy cream in it, it's just not a true carbonara.
It's the same with a baguette, it has to ferment for 48 or 72 hours, before being baked, atleast to be authentic.
Or as if I would make a Thailand curry with no coconut milk. Not the same, but it might work.
Why can't people accept that some things are just the way they are, and diverging away from it doesn't change the core, only that the new recipe is a new one, and that this is fine.

[Anonymous No.16960422]

>>16960398
So it has more to do with a stamp of authenticity in regards to the history and tradition of the dish. That's fine. We live in creative times so tradition tends to get lost in the "I dried aged soda pop for 24 days and then sous vided the pellicle of the soda for 24 hours." youtube schlock that we forget that some of these dishes have been relatively unchanged in certain parts of the world for hundreds of years and there is merit in that. Iconoclasts and free thinkers may want to steps outside those boundaries but there's nothing wrong with the original.

[Anonymous No.16960446]

Cream is good but I prefer my carbonara with tomato sauce and meatballs

[Anonymous No.16960561]

>>16960446
That's just fettichini alfredo.

[Anonymous No.16960612]

>>16960325
Can you still make a hamburger if you swap out the beef for chicken? I'm sure it'll still be tasty but calling it the same thing is just wrong. Carbonara can be made with guanciale, pancetta or even bacon but if you're not using at least some kind of cured pork then it's not carbonara.

[Anonymous No.16960613]

>>16954896
Carbonara with cream is like poutine with grated cheese
It's not bad but it's not the real thing

[Anonymous No.16960722]

>>16960612
>Can you still make a hamburger if you swap out the beef for chicken?
Ground or finely chopped then battered and fried chicken patties for sandwiches has been around for a long time. You may see a hyperprocessed version of it at your local MickeyD's.

[Anonymous No.16960844]

>>16960613
It's nothing like that. You don't replace the egg with cream, you add a little cream just as the egg sets. Or are there people who put grated cheese in addition to curds? In which case, yes that's still poutine.

[Anonymous No.16960852]

>>16960612
As long as the meats ground sure then its just a chicken burger. If it's a formed, breaded chicken patty it's a chicken sandwich and it's fine. It doesn't ruin anything

[Anonymous No.16960862]

>>16960722
I may not be super well versed on my burger terminology but I've never heard those referred to as hamburgers, only chicken sandwiches or chicken burgers. If I ordered a hamburger and got chicken I'd be a little confused

[Anonymous No.16960882]

>>16960862
I know you were being pedantic I was just checking if you were ignorant as well. Sometimes as thinkers we can unintentionally pigeonhole ourselves and not be open to what could be in our blind spots. Just making sure you're JUST being pedantic.

[Anonymous No.16961376]

>>16955264
i have never read a truer post on this website

[Anonymous No.16961393]

>>16954896
I was in Rome and ate atleast 5-6 different Carbonara dishes at various places. They were all good, however the last one I had was their tweaked version with ricotta cheese in it and without a doubt, the best one I've ever tasted. Who the fuck cares if it ain't authentic.

[Anonymous No.16961417]

I prefer carbonara with leek instead of bacon and tofu instead of cheese. It grills better.

I'll often add bell pepper for color and to give it more of a veggie feel.

If I want this dish to be a bit more 21st century I'll garnish it with pomegranate seeds and fresh exotic herb shoots.

[Anonymous No.16961423]

>>16960327
Literally eaten hundreds of these. Main ingredient is cream.
You should write a strongly worded letter.

[Anonymous No.16961444]

What's the point in any food that doesn't have cream in it

[Anonymous No.16961447]

>>16961444
To add cream to. Duh!