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I was watching a video yesterday and the guy (not Italian) was adamant that pizza sauce was NOT supposed to be cooked at all.

Is that true?

>> No.16825616

what level of contrarian is this

>> No.16825632

>>16825612
Real pizza sauce is cooked period. This fucking gorilla nigger in the video is utterly retarded and should be euthanized.

>> No.16825647

>>16825612
Source? Nobody could be dum enough to not know that. Until you've properly sourced the video this is now favorite pizza topping thread
Mushrooms here.

>> No.16825659

I'm torn on this. Tomato sauce does need to be cooked for some time to bring out the best in it, but using passata and doing a generally thin pizza also has its place

>> No.16825670

>>16825632
>cooked period
yum!

>> No.16825677

they dont cook pizza sauce in naples, it gets cooked in the oven, i do it like this also, i just crush up canned skinned tomatoes with my hands and season with salt and olive oil

>> No.16825680

>>16825632
cooked period? man, Italians are nasty, I don't wanna eat that shit

>> No.16825744

>>16825612
Canned tomatoes are already cooked, so you'll be cooking them twice and even thrice when baking the pizza itself. Especially for the Neapolitan style pizza which is baked at very high heat where lots of water evaporates, the sauce is not supposed to be cooked first. For other styles of pizza, including NY, the sauce is often cooked with butter, olive oil and Italian herbs. Styles like deep dish also specifically call for a more deeply flavored and concentrated cooked sauce. In the end it's personal preference in my opinion and you can get great results doing either depending on the cooking method and flavor profile you're going for.

>> No.16825764

>>16825612
The things you would probably put on as "pizza" sauce are already cooked.
Shit like tomota paste and crushed tomote.

>> No.16825771

You don't have to, but you can.

>> No.16825781

>>16825612
depends on what type you're going for. i don't cook it anymore, i prefer a raw sauce over cooked.

>> No.16825828

>>16825632
Retard. Real pizza sauce is Never pre-cooked. It gets cooked in the oven with the pizza.

Only in Murica they pre-cook it because they then smear it with 70 layers of fat

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>>16825828

>> No.16825963

The heat from the pizza cook the sauce

>> No.16825983

>>16825612
How are you supposed to avoid cooking the sauce when you cook the pizza?

Just don't cook it before you put it on.

>> No.16825984

>>16825612
Depends on what you like better. I find raw sauce is a bit too acid for me. Cooking it with a bit of onion and garlic, even some basil makes it pretty tasty.

>> No.16826301

He's right. Pizza sauce should be raw, and the dominating flavors should be tomato and basil.

Cooked pizza sauce is way too sweet, cloyingly so, and makes the pizza taste less lively. It's that classic American approach to Italian food, which is to take a dish with five ingredients and add twenty more for no fucking reason.

My man Vito Iacopelli:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f32frig1s9w

And a video from the super-underrated Italia Squisita channel, with a chef making 5 different pizza sauces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwGkq-YIzwQ

>> No.16826323

>>16825828
>Only in Murica they pre-cook it because they then smear it with 70 layers of fat
keep making shit up seething europoor. our pizza is bread, sauce, cheese, and toppings, nothing else

>> No.16826455

I have never in my life cooked pizza sauce, what the hell?

>> No.16826475

>>16825677
canned tomatoes are precooked ya dumb dumb.

>> No.16826494

If you cook the sauce beforehand it’s pasta sauce, the sauce is supposed to cook with the pizza

>> No.16826509

>>16825670
>>16825680
The duality of man

>> No.16826784

>>16825612
I prefer mines precooked because it tastes more mellow rather than too acidic when it comes out of the can.

>> No.16826786

>>16825612
>Should pizza sauce be cooked?
Fuck no.

>> No.16826795

>>16825612
Pizza sauce is fucking awful. everyone knows it, but no-one wants to make the statement.
Replace it with a herb based pasta sauce and pizza becomes one million percent better.

>> No.16826801

>>16826795
>Replace it with a herb based pasta sauce and pizza becomes one million percent better.
this is what I do but cook it as well. it comes out tasting a lot better in my opinion.

>> No.16826803

>>16826795
Retard detected.

>> No.16826828

>>16826803
t. tastelet

>> No.16826837

>>16826803
imean i dont get pasta sauce but i make my own pizza sauce, add herbs, seasoning. then cook it and it tastes real good.

>> No.16826854

>>16826494
>>16826301
I've always felt like if you cook down the tomato sauce the pizza ends up tastes like lasagna. Which is okay if you like that, but to make it taste like actual pizza from a restaurant you just puree canned tomatoes and apply them directly to the dough without cooking them first.

>> No.16826863

>>16826837
The right way is to use crushed tomatoes straight from the can. Only the benighted do what you're doing.

>> No.16826872

>>16826854
>you just puree canned tomatoes and apply them directly to the dough without cooking them first.
yeah but tastes so plain like why even have it there in the first place. Other than helping the dough not get turned into a cracker I don't see the point.

>>16826863
damn i feel like the dark character in an anime that takes the road to darkness now.

but it tastes so plain with just crushed tomatoes anon. plush a little too acidic.

>> No.16826920

I can't use uncooked tomato as my sauce, my oven is too weak.

>> No.16826924

>>16826920
>>16826920
how do u tell if its not cooked enough?

>> No.16826990

>>16826872
Where do you live? Does it have an Italian immigrant community?

>> No.16826997

>>16826920
Your oven is weak? No, YOU'RE weak.

>> No.16827006

>>16826872
>too acidic
You may be using inferior ground tomatoes. If it contains citric acid as an ingredient, it's a no-go.

>> No.16827033

>>16825612
No cooking allowed. Ends up too sweet like a candy pizza. It cooks in the oven when you make the pizza. If anything, I heat some oil/herbs/garlic (just a bit) in the pot before I add sauce which I just warm enough to bring it all together. Do it in the morning or night before. No boiling, not even for a few minutes. Its not a pasta sauce.

>> No.16827043

>>16826795
Anon what you have made is a flatbread. Not a pizza.

>> No.16827066

>>16826990
>Does it have an Italian immigrant community?
Yes I live in a very italian populated area. Although most places pizza sauce is very plain.

>>16827006
where to get good tomatoes then anon? or recommend me a brand/can I can buy.

>> No.16827077

>>16827066
Cento is more or less the easy-to-get gold standard.

>> No.16827079

No. You want it to be a very fresh tomato flavor

>> No.16827087

>>16827077
>Cento
you sussy baka i'll rememeber to get that next time.
you cutie.

>> No.16827117

>>16827077
sometimes i wonder if i ever give anyone on 4chan a boner.

>> No.16827135

Canned tomatoes-- whole peeled, ground, crushed--, salt, oregano. No cooking. Basil, garlic, EVOO, vinegar, honey, anchovy paste are optional. Anchovy paste is awesome in pizza sauce, by the way. Just a little.

>> No.16827192

>>16827077
well did i?

>>16827135
you are basically seasoning too

>> No.16827196

>>16827066
>recommend me a brand/can I can buy.
Are you on the east coast, west coast, middle, what?

>>16827077
This isn't me. Cento is not too bad, but you can do much better.

>> No.16827286

>>16827196
east coast. you can be a sussy baka too.

>> No.16827311

>>16825612
>not Italian
Opinion disregarded

>> No.16827313

>>16825670
alwayscocacola.jpg

>> No.16827348

>>16827196
hey you stinky sussy baka. where did you go

>> No.16827364

>>16827286
If you're in the NE, you should find this at most grocery store:
https://www.amazon.com/Sclafani-Crushed-Tomatoes-Ounce-Pack/dp/B00F9TCIQG/

Caution: There are TWO 'Sclafani's that sell canned tomatoes. Both are good, but the above is what I recommend for pizza. The distinguishing feature is this: the Sclafani I recommend for pizza DOES NOT HAVE A PAPER LABEL. It's unique among canned tomatoes in that the graphics are printed DIRECTLY ON THE CAN. Good luck!

>> No.16827369

>>16825616
My Granny does this. She's a presbyterian.

>> No.16827411

>>16825612
just take canned tomato sauce, mix in some dried oregano, basil, paprika, and garlic powder, and let it in the fridge overnight

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>>16825612
Was it this smelly asshole in pic?

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>>16825647
Love me some 'choves if I'm drinking (and only if; they're salty af).
Love me some broccoli on a white garlic sauce.
There's a place by me that offers meatballs, but they almost shave the balls into little pieces that cover the pizza really well. Delicious stuff.

>> No.16827463

>>16827456
Shaved balls sounds delicious

>> No.16827778

Am I allowed to cook it really quick? Like just 5 minutes? What's the point that it becomes spaghetti sauce?

>> No.16827793

>>16827778
Of course you're allowed to, if that's what you want then do it. But you should try once to make a pizza sauce without cooking and see how you feel about it too.

>> No.16827814

>>16827793
I want to at least infuse the herbs into it and it seems like lightly cooking it would be the best way to do it. Couldn't I add water back for the same consistency?

>> No.16827822

>>16827814
lightly cooking it is the fast way. i've made a raw pizza sauce with garlic and herbs and salt and put it in an airtight container for it to sit in the fridge for a day or two and the flavors naturally infuse themselves into the sauce. absolutely delicious and ever since then i have never cooked my pizza sauce.

>> No.16827859

How do you keep it from being too watery without cooking it? Drain the liquid from the canned tomatoes and then puree them?

>> No.16827889

>>16827859
try this recipe, this is the recipe that got me into raw pizza sauces

https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/red-sauce-for-pizza

>> No.16827987

>>16827859
http://varasanos.com/PizzaRecipe.htm

>> No.16828417

>>16827364
thx fren

>> No.16828441

>>16825612
Did he serve the pizza raw too? 'cause the oven temperature is well enough to cook the sauce.

>> No.16828512

All right, I made the best sauce. Better than they make it in Italy. Neapolitan style and cooked for 7 minutes.

>> No.16828616

>>16825612
Nothing bores me quite fundamentalism.

Wanna cook your sauce?

Do it.

Don’t wanna cook your sauce?

Don’t do it.

>> No.16828623

>>16828616
You think you sound like some world weary seen-it-all master of laconic perfection, but you really sound like a sashaying ponce with a thin beard and a soft jawline.

There are right ways to do things, fucko.

>> No.16828639

>>16828623
I know it sounds like that, but I think there is more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. People have different tastes and do what they think is best. Also, pizza is no longer Italian, but part of the world heritage of food, so it changes.

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>>16825612

>> No.16828670

>>16825612
I don't think its really worth cooking it, but I don't think it is "wrong" either

>> No.16828746

>>16826475
yeah no shit, i mean you dont cook it again after it leaves the can and before it goes on the pizza

>> No.16828820

It depends. You can cook a tomato sauce with lots of spices and garlic and anything you want, and it tastes great. Or you can just use passata and spread it directly on the dough, and that will taste great also.

>> No.16828880

>>16826301
That's so true. It's not curry, less is more. Pizza is at its best when it's like biting into a tomato fresh off the vine except it's made out of bread.

>> No.16829079

>>16828639
>People have different tastes and do what they think is best.
No, they fuck everything up due to ignorance.

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>>16828616
It's your choice.

>> No.16829251

>>16825612
Who gives a fuck what a guido thinks? But you shouldn't bother cooking pizza sauce because it doesn't really add anything for the amount of added effort it creates. You barely taste the sauce on a pizza; even meme pizzas like margherita.

>> No.16829430

>>16825612
Up to personal preference. Personally I like pizza sauce that's been cooked a little bit, but not simmered for a long time like a traditional red sauce for pasta.

Basically I just do a quick saute of my garlic/anchovy/dry herbs in olive oil before adding my tomatoes, the bring it barely up to a simmer while adjusting seasoning, then cut the heat.

>> No.16829921

>>16825984
>>16826784
>>16827006
>>16827066
t. tastelets whose pallettes cant handle the true patrician flavor experience
>>16827135
>vinegar
based

>> No.16829989

>>16829921
You're doing it wrong, Retardo Montalban.