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What culture gatekeeps their cuisine the hardest?

>> No.16686820

Americans.

>> No.16686843

>>16686813

subsaharan Africans. Like, seriously, why can't you find there food anywhere? Not in shops, not in special promo events (like Lidl has American week for instance - why not an 'African week'), not any fast food inspired franchises or restaurants? Why are they keeping it from the rest of us?

>> No.16686850

>>16686843
Any decently sized city has an Ethiopian place.

>> No.16686852

>>16686843
Have you ever actually had African food?
That's probably more because it's bad and could never have mass appeal like other cuisines.

>> No.16686853

>>16686813
italians and french
also
french > italian
butter is simply better

>> No.16686854

>>16686843
This is probabaly a meme to post those dirt cakes but this is honestly true.
Africans are ferociously protective over their recipes. The only way you will ever taste authentic african food is to have an african family make it for you.

>>16686850
Ethopia is a bit of an exception, most likely to do it never being truly colonized.

>> No.16686863

>>16686813
>>16686853
French won't bitch if you make inauthentic French food, if it's good despite not being authentic the most you will get is "It's not true French but good" meanwhile Italians go apeshit over how much salt you put in pasta water

>> No.16686865

>>16686843

Can't wait to eat flies and sandcakes

>> No.16686866

>>16686852
Depends where you go. A lot of african food is just roasted meat or fish with a flavored rice.

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>>16686852
>here's your sloppa served on top of a dirty dish towl bro. With extra dirty dish towels on the side

>> No.16686874

>>16686869
looks unironically delicious.

>> No.16686880

>>16686863
I think Nando's (peri-peri chicken, mostly) is a South African version of a Mozambique version of Portuguese food. Does it count?

>> No.16686891

>>16686874
Looks unironically like assorted poop and scrambled eggs on a pancake

>> No.16686897

>>16686891
It looks like various curries.
Reads some freud to explain why your mind jumps to poop that fast.

>> No.16686899

>>16686863
>follow traditional recipe to the letter
>add a pinch of parsley for color
THASSA NOTA REAL SPAGOOCHI!

>> No.16686902

>>16686869
this is gatekept because it doesnt exist

>> No.16686908
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>>16686843
Nigerian food is pretty common. I have always wanted to try fufu.

>> No.16686921

How you have a cuisine without food?

>> No.16686925

>>16686908
Is that a chinese bun or something?

>> No.16686944

>>16686925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fufu
Its a wet paste made out of cassava.

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>>16686908
>>16686925
>>16686944
Found a Nigerian place in my area, might stop by

>> No.16686954

>>16686925
...it's fufu

>> No.16686964

>>16686944
>>16686954
Man why don't more cuisines provide something like this to dip in the sauce alongside the meal.

>> No.16686969

>>16686944
>cassava
typical old worlders claiming a new world food.

>> No.16686972

>>16686863
It has more to do with French cuisine, especially Haute cuisine, putting high value in experimentation. (nearly) anything goes as long as it tastes good. Italian cooking is much more conservative.

>> No.16686975

>>16686964
You mean like bread?

>> No.16687043

>>16686813
Without question, Italians. You can give them a dish that their Grandma had cooked 3 minutes ago in her own kitchen, but because they are served it in a different house, they will claim it's fine but not as good as nonna's

>> No.16687056

>>16687043
this. chill out it's literally cheese on bread you fat fuck!

>> No.16687064

>>16686813
To be fair I get Italians. Americans absolutely butcher their cuisine. Which wouldn't be horrible if they would just call it a fusion rather than MAMMA'S OLD RECIPE or some shit.

>> No.16687068

>>16686843
>>16686850
Neither have they

>> No.16687072

>>16687043
the asbestos in nanna's kitchen contributes to the flavor you tastelet

>> No.16687077

>>16686853
>butter is simply better
butter isn't really such a huge part of proper french cuisine. people just equate it with haute cuisine. brittany and normandy are regional abusers of butter so people think all of france is the same.

>> No.16687121

>>16686813
These days there are food blogs for almost every type of cuisine. It's pretty easy to find out how to make all kinds of ethnic food that it'd have been tough to learn without traveling to another country or finding an immigrant willing to teach you.

The exception is the faggots that do BBQ and chili competitions. Those guys act like their recipes are state secrets that must be protected at all costs. The contests have a bunch of rules and regulations that suck all the fun out of cooking and the guys who compete are the biggest food autists imaginable.

>> No.16687124

>>16686972
This is true. If you're reading through Escoffiers book you will notice all the different dishes with minimal changes. He even often says that you could change this for that or add plenty things to them. Even though his recipes are very precisely he's not as authistic as you'd think. He was also open to new ingredients like refined starch or arrowroot for thickening instead of a traditional roux or beurre manie.

>> No.16687173

>>16687072
Nonna, you ditsoon.

>> No.16687189

>>16687077
They do have lots of cows and pastures

>> No.16687309
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>>16687121
real problem are people sticking to their supposedly "ancestral family recipe" which turns out is just bad

>> No.16687319 [DELETED] 

>>16687173
Go cry over your bolognese guinea wop wanna be al Capone nigger.

>> No.16687322

>>16687309
Best online cooking show imho
*snort*

>> No.16687357

The Chinese
>oh, you no speak Chinese?
>what this? it uhh... duck we bury in dirt for 7 weeks
>what this? it uhh... duck egg that little boy piss on
>oh yeah, white boy, i eat chicken feet all the time that chinese staple white boy

>> No.16688321

>>16687064
>Americans absolutely butcher thier cuisine
Americans took the Italian cheesy flatbread concept and turned it into a globally beloved dish. what the fuck are you talking about? If it wasn't for America Italian cuisine would be thought of on the same tier as Greek food or German food.

>> No.16688328

>>16686869
This shit is delicious though. If Ethiopians had access to more food they would be fatter than Americans

>> No.16688333

>>16687077
Jealous Italian hands typed this

>> No.16688339

>>16686908
Looks diarrhea inducing.

>> No.16688340

>>16687357
Yeah but in my experience they don't get buthurt when you try it and all the first generation I know that moved to America prefer the American version of their food to the gutter oil shit from their motherland

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>>16686843
I've got a nice big helping of sub-saharan African cuisine right here. I'd bet you've got some of that in your kitchen cabinets right now and don't even know it. Indeed, you spend more time "eating" their cuisine than you spend doing anything else.

>> No.16688349

Italians, tied with French.
Closely followed by 3rd-generation Asian immigrants trying in vain to cling to any sense of culture they may have left.

Literally nobody else cares.

>> No.16688384 [DELETED] 

>>16686813
nips because they all have their heads stuffed up their useless assess. at least indians even aren't that pathetic but they're close

>> No.16688505

>>16688321
I wouldnt go that far. Italian cooking was in high regards in general before american italian. I would say the triumph of American Italian is in low to medium price foods that taste decently good fir the amount of dosh you spend.

>> No.16688531

french have champagne
italians have parmesean
japanse has kobe beef

what other places have regional claims on food?

>> No.16688544

>>16686843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNSRQWM_Gj4

anthony bourdain in senegal eating the national dish which is rice and fish

>> No.16688582

>>16686853
>french > italian
>butter is simply better
i know france has more butter flavored dishes, there are some nice ones in italy too specifically northern italian cuisine (the regions on the same latitude as france..)
tortellini with butter and sage is very good
veal milanese is often cooked in clarified butter
most obvious is polenta made with butter
some risotto - risotto alla milanese
there is tagliolini pasta with butter and truffles
pizzoccheri is a buckwheat pasta with potatoes cheese and green veg, plus butter - mountain food.

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>>16688531
St. Louis has Provel Cheese which was a particular type of processed cheese common during WWII due to rationing. They put it on a pizza and consider it the best kind of pizza you can get. Done right it can actually be okay, but it's just kind of sad

here's an excerpt from a blog about it:

https://affotd.com/2013/05/22/the-five-worst-regional-pizzas-in-america/

>First, let us start with the crust. As opposed to other pizzas, or any type of bread other than matzo, St. Louis-style pizza doesn’t use yeast, resulting in a thin, cracker-like crust. Obviously, eating a burnt cracker is only so appealing, so to take things up a notch by putting sugar in their sauce, since if you’re going to make something awful, you might as well let it punish the diabetics stupid enough to try to eat it.

>Finally, they created their own type of cheese to put on this pizza. Having more in common with Velveeta than anything you’ve ever wanted to put on a pizza, Provel cheese is popular in St. Louis and nowhere else because just look at it. The fact that it’s the awful cheese put on an awful pizza would explain why it never caught on with the rest of the nation.

pic related, stl pizza

>> No.16688597

>>16686843
it doesn't work well in a restaurant format and the necessity of fresh ingredients for a lot of the dishes means that only special grocery stores carry them. IF you go to any south African country you will find that most of their restaurants serve only international dishes, the only way to eat good authentic south African food is to be invited by a family who is willing to go through the painstaking process of making it for you.

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>>16686843
This
Nigerian food is fucking impossible to find, and if you do its super expensive

>> No.16688622

>>16688587
I bet you've only had Imo's, the kind of St. Louis style pizza that no one in St. Louis actually eats unless you're a hoosier in Arnold or something. Every other place serving this kind of pizza has modernized it and made it delicious.

>> No.16688656

>>16688622
Cecil Whitaker's was damn good, I don't know if it's still around though. And yeah, STL style pizza can be good but IMO's fucking sucks and that's what people think of when they think STL style pizza. Provel is still weird as fuck

>> No.16688842

Jenny Craig. Call. Stop making these threads fatass. Did all the kids toys in the back come with the food?

>>16688342

yeah you would think it sounds like you because it's intolerable just like you peddling your little anime wares in the back of each of your pictures

>> No.16689624

>>16686869
dude, try it. it's delicious. i regularly order from the ethiopian place near me. it's fun to eat with your hands.

>> No.16689626

>>16686843
their main dish is fasting, what do you expect?

>> No.16689984

>>16687043
Have you met a single Italian person in your life?

>> No.16690045

>>16689984
I don't even know what Italy is

>> No.16690072

>>16686813
The only people complaining about gatekeeping are the ones that gate is supposed to keep out.

>> No.16690092

>>16688622
Imo's doesn't even clean their restaurants, and if the 15 year old that works there messes up your order in any way the manager will just yell at you if you say something about it

>> No.16690100

>>16686813
Italians by miles they did it so hard people who aren't even Italian do it for them.

>> No.16690163

>>16688587
What the fuck St Louis, that's /ck/ tier shitposting.

>> No.16690167

>>16686954
fufu deez nuts

>> No.16690168

>>16686853
I feel like the french would be genuinely surprised by a non-french making the food and approve it while an italian chef would bash you over the head because you added ingredients out of order

>> No.16690172

>>16686869
God I hate that “bread” shit.
The first time I went to an Ethiopian place I was looking forward to trying it, as I love various flatbreads.
But it isn’t “bread”. It’s more like a thin damp sponge. Like if you were to run a sponge through a deli-slicer, then dip it in water, and then wring it out. That’s the texture.

>> No.16690186

>>16690168
>I feel like the french would be genuinely surprised by a non-french making the food and approve it

I'm always excited watching foreigners make french food and have their own takes/twists on it. Cuisine is about technique and experimentation, there is no magic formula.

>> No.16690213

There's plenty of Somali restaurants where I live, and a few Eritrean

>> No.16690217

>>16690213
ok......... who asked???????

>> No.16690222

>>16690172
I'm ok with the texture, but not found of the sour taste

>> No.16690227

>>16686813
USA.
When your sole contribution to global cuisine is a slice of pasteurised, plastic ‘cheese’ you have to be protective.

>> No.16690267

>>16686813
shitalians are the worst by far.
they even bitch when other shitalian chefs improve a traditional dish.

>> No.16691134

>>16686964
>Man why don't more cuisines provide something like this to dip in the sauce alongside the meal.
Basically all of them have this, or something common to soak sauces. Bread of all sorts, potato dumplings/mashed potatoes, rice, pasta, yucca, the list goes on. All of these soak sauce/drippings to maximize intake.

>> No.16691177

>>16690217
Me, faggot
>>16690213
Are they nice?

>> No.16691314
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ITT: people that never interacted with either French or Italians

French are some of the most stuck up cunts you'll find, have a stink under their nose all the time and have an inflated sense of pride.
Bull-fucking-shit that French chefs would "love twists" in their dishes. Moreso for patisserie.
They'd (rightfully) laugh and be utterly scorful behind your backs.

Italians range from "I'll skin you alive if you open your mouth again" to "do what you want".
Like, no parsley doesn't go in carbonara pasta, but plenty of Italians do it anyway. There's even some that tolerate shit like pineapple pizza.

But above all, Americans just can't take any kind of criticism - constructive or otherwise - and much less, bantz.

t. worked in a French restaurant

>> No.16691366

>>16686813
Italians. Look how they react to American renditions of their national food on youtube. They're literally food nazis

>> No.16691522

>>16691314
Sound like a brit got buck broken by chef Pierre

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>>16690172

>> No.16691583

>>16687309
>>16687322
ACK ACK ACK

>> No.16691641

>>16690227
tomatoes
and squash

before they discovered the new world they were carving jack o lanterns out of turnips and radishes.

>> No.16691728

>>16688656
I ate at Cecil’s last week, it’s still around.

>> No.16691730

Italians are huge fags about absolutely every aspect of their culture.

>> No.16691834

>>16686813
Which culture gatekeeps their cuisine the least?

>> No.16691843 [DELETED] 

Italians are awfully arrogant about their food, it must be the non-white low IQ. Fucking pasta niggers.

>> No.16692177

>>16691314
>parsley doesn't go in carbonara pasta
Never saw anyone do this desu

>> No.16692258

Any asian country that has a spicy dish
Sorry white man, too spicy for you

>> No.16692301

>>16686843
haha yes. YES!

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>>16690172
It looks like a softer version of Indian Dosa. If it tastes around the same it should be good.

>> No.16692325

Yeah both French and Italians have that dumb shit where certain ingredients LEGALLY dont count unless they're from a certain region.

>> No.16692330

>>16686813
italy, but they aren't doing a good job of it

>> No.16692379
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I'm going to say Cajuns because of all the cultural groups, they're the ones who most often say stuff like "You gotta be a real cajun to appreciate this" or "that ain't real cajun cooking"

To be fair much of it's in jest, but they say it so much they probably believe it.

>> No.16692479

>>16692309
>It looks like a softer version of Indian Dosa. If it tastes around the same it should be good.

Injera is alright. Less like a dosa and more like a sourdough bao dough. Not my preference in cuisine but it works fine for sopping up appropriately spiced curry.

>> No.16692688

>watch anything related to Indian food
>endless stream of pajeets seething in the comments
So tiresome

>> No.16692707

>>16686949
Jollof rice is good

>> No.16692716

>>16691834
Maybe Koreans, they'll adopt any western dish and slap gochujang and kraft singles on it

>> No.16692743

>>16686813
A lot of Asian-"Americans" gatekeep Asian food in general

>> No.16692749

>>16692716
That's not gatekeeping, that's appropriating

>> No.16692756

>>16691834
i went to lithuania and the best food i had there was kebab. the "lithuanian" food was mostly just bland fried bread or smoked pig ears. i highly doubt anyone there would care if you attempt to make ceplini because you will for sure make it better than anything they can make. if you are lithuanian don't reply to me.

>> No.16692922

>>16692756

I'm lithuaian and I agree. RIP to my dad but damn he made the worst steak; fucking over cooked it to hell. According to my mom he was a really good cook before his coma but that was before I was born. When I was young my mom tried to get me involved in the local Lithuanian community. They had this day camp at this community center were they would teach us the language and about to culture and stuff but she pulled me out since they were all a bunch of cold hate filled duchy bags. One of the old ladies that ran it made me sit in the fucking corner for yawning.

>> No.16692946

>>16692922
that's a bummer dude. i was only being half-serious. the saltibarsciai i had was really good (not as good as the one i had in poland though) and there's a charm to just eating smoked meat, seasoned cottage cheese and beer all day. the one thing i didn't get to try was the moonshine, which i hope to when i go back someday.

>> No.16692963

>>16692946
Well I like there bread allot there did used to be this really good lithuanian bakery near me but it closed down.

>> No.16692989

>>16686843
Flyover detected. Go to any big city and you will find multiple african food places.

>> No.16692994

>>16691535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdDfF4hXfj4

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>>16688587
I've had multiple types of provel pizza. I was immediately reminded of vomit. Truly abhorrent

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not my problem

>> No.16693534

>>16686843
It's because it sucks. West African food is throwing meat, fish and vegetables in a pot, boiling it on high until its all mush and then not adding any spices.

>> No.16693812

>>16686843
Mate, they don't have any food

>> No.16693838

>>16692994
>bakery

heh

>> No.16693849

>>16686852
>Have you ever actually had African food?
Hey man don't know it until you've tried it.
A nice mud soup, with a couple of freshly sun-baked mud cookies for dessert...
mwah
*kisses fingers*
magnafeek

>> No.16694294

>>16691641
That's not really america alone, though. Potatoes and shit sorta just existed in that region (and probably others outside of the USA). It contributed tomatoes in the same way that grass contributes to milk. Sure, you need grass for the cows to eat, but it's not like the grass really did anything. The cows and farmers did the work, the grass was just a necessary stepping stone.

>> No.16694297

>>16692756
T. Polish

>> No.16694311

>>16692379
A lot of that is genuine though. If you add red salt and call it Cajun, it's not Cajun; it's a white girl pretending to be. Cajuns only gatekeep because retards will use red sauce, red salt, a jalapeno and a fuckijg green onion, call it jambalaya and call it a day. Like sure, maybe that's still gumbo, but it's not Cajun gumbo. it's not like Italians where if you split the spaghetti they'll get pissed off, they basically just say yeah it's not Cajun but whatever and frankly given how fucking butchered it is by basically everybody, that's more than fair imo.

>> No.16694313

>>16686820
fpbp

>> No.16694343

>>16693335
scum

>> No.16694350

>>16686813
Every culture does. It is only commercialization that does away with the rules for scalability's sake.

>> No.16694431

>>16688582
Veal schnitzel is stolen valor.

>> No.16694456

>>16690186
Roux, stock, wine and roux heavy cream brandy tastes fucking good no matter what.

>> No.16695503

>>16688582
>tortellini with butter and sage is very good
what the fuck am I seeing
surely you meant tortelli/tortelloni?

>> No.16696362

>>16695503
What's the difference, pizza bro?

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>>16696362
not him but tortellini with butter and sage is really strange. Tortelli/tortelloni and ravioli are
pic is tortellini

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>>16697759
>Tortelli/tortelloni and ravioli are
*Tortelli/tortelloni and ravioli with butter and sage are really common instead
pic is tortellini

>> No.16697771

>>16697766
> pic is tortellini
Fuck, I meant tortelloni

>> No.16697785

To be fair to Italians, they have had their cuisine absolute raped by Americans larping as Italians. You'd probably be angry if you had to put up with some new york pissant telling you that his sugar filled slop was actually Italian food

>> No.16697919

>>16686850
>subsaharan
Look on a map

>> No.16697925

>>16697785
nah i would be glad my culture is appreciated, the original food is still there to enjoy too

>> No.16697978

>>16697925
> the original food is still there to enjoy too
But the original italian food in america is vile and most of the time is passed off as italian

>> No.16697986

>>16686843
Because it's terrible? It's the kind of food you'd expect a Neolithic civilization to eat as a special event

>> No.16698029

now im hgungry for nigerian food... but it doesnt exist in my country...

>> No.16698051

>>16693335
What even is the point of this? Just to destroy something like a nigger?

>> No.16698054

>>16698051
people think spaghetti won't fit into their pot. that's literally it.

>> No.16698103

>>16696362
the other anon is right>>16697759
>>16697766
also, tortellini is filled with prosciutto crudo and Parmigiano cheese, while tortelloni is usually filled with either ragù, pumpkin, or spinach with ricotta cheese. Tortellini are almost exclusivley eaten with chicken/vegetable broth

>> No.16698106

>>16697978
the worst thing is that it's passed as italian. I wouldn't be angry if they just called it italian american, but don't pretend it's something it isn't

>> No.16699155

>>16691522
More like Pierre fucked his cush

>> No.16700200

>>16693812
Congratulations, you got the joke.

>> No.16701024

>>16693534
>not adding any spices
Then why do they always say whites add no spices to things if they don't either?

>> No.16701303

>>16692716
this.
Korean food at this point is just take whatever western dish and slap pork, cabbage, hot sauce and american ""cheese"" on it.

>> No.16701804

>>16686869
That's the good shit. And every time you eat ethiopian is steals their super rare special grain from a poor ethiopians plate. Win win.
>>16690172
That's the point. It's soft and delicious like a big perfect pancake.

>> No.16703143

>>16701024
as far as I know, the really spicy "african/black" food coes from the caribbeans, but I'm probably wrong

>> No.16703147

Thai food without question. It's fucking shit. It's basically college-grade meals that someone who is just learning to cook cooks. Then they offensively want you to enjoy it and pretend it's fancy because its Thailand. If you like this shit, you'd also like sink water.

>> No.16703159

>>16692325
That's just protectionism through regulations.

>> No.16703181

>>16698054
I mean yeah, my rice cooker literally will not close if I don't break the spaghetti first.

>> No.16703203

>>16703147
Please post a disclaimer that you live in Kansas

>> No.16703363

>>16703181
This is bait

>> No.16703389

>>16703363
I don't understand what's bait-like about it.

>> No.16703410

>>16703389
That's because you're American.

>> No.16703426
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16703426

>>16703410
Yes, and?

>> No.16703540

>>16686854
Ethiopia is an exception because
>Consistent with their cultural and linguistic diversity, Ethiopians display a high degree of genetic heterogeneity relative to non-Africans
The guy in the thread that thinks Ethiopia is sub-Saharan is retarded but Ethiopia really is its own animal because of all the contact over the last few thousand years.

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>>16703426

>> No.16706026

>>16704906
Tastes perfectly good man

>> No.16707496

>>16689984
No, they've all been involved or married due to pressure from their mothers.