/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16542576]

>Moderate wine intake (1-10 glasses a day) actually lengthens your life
Lol abstainers btfo

https://scielo.conicyt.cl/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0716-97602004000200002
>Since French males are considered the largest consumers of wine in the world, we conducted a study in Eastern France that included 34,014 middle-aged men (40 - 60 years at baseline) in which we evaluated mortality in relation to their alcohol intake, with a follow-up of 10 - 15 years, In that study, every social class consumed wine, and the largest consumers were workers and tradesmen (48.9 and 47.6 g/day respectively). Higher classes such as high-level managers consumed only 36.2 g/day of wine. In that cohort, wine was the main alcohol consumed (82 % of the total alcoholic beverages). A moderate intake of wine (2 - 3 glasses per day) was associated with a 24 - 31 % reduction in all-cause mortality, in smokers, ex-smokers and non-smokers.

[Anonymous No.16542583]

>>16542576
10 glasses of wine daily is far removed from "moderate wine intake".

[Anonymous No.16542591]

I now. I feel healthy when I drink a good wine.

[Anonymous No.16542598]

Arent french people also less obese…

[Anonymous No.16542601]

>>16542576
You sound like those potheads when they claim weed cures X and Y.

[Anonymous No.16542614]

>>16542583
for french people 10 glasses is moderate, believe me i have family in france they drink wine like mad, my grandma is 90 and drinks close to a bottle a day

[Anonymous No.16542615]

>>16542583
10 glasses is only 2 bottles of wine a day. you drink one in the morning, and one at lunch, and then have a sensible dinner. it's normal.

[Anonymous No.16542621]

>>16542598
more likely to smoke, smaller portion size, more emphasis on food laws which means less processed stuff compared to american diets

[Anonymous No.16542636]

>>16542598
the study only comprises of only french people, french wine drinkers compared to french abstainers of alcohol

Not french people compared to the rest of the world

[Anonymous No.16542677]

>>16542576
>10 glasses a day
>moderate
more like moderate alcoholism

[Anonymous No.16542721]

>>16542677
they still live longer tho

[Anonymous No.16542779]

>>16542576
>was associated with
key word associated. this is an association, no causal information is here. there could be 50 other factors that explain this effect that weren't measured but you believe what you want i guess...

[Anonymous No.16542799]

>>16542779
Studies can never be 100% positive unless they test the entire population of Earth, so they have to be vague to some degree. regardless this study tested 30,000 men and found most of the drinkers lived longer

[Anonymous No.16542854]

>>16542799
I'm not saying the association is incorrect but to infer a causal link when the strength of the association is so small is dubious... Most "associations" tend to be disproven when finally tested in clinical trials.

[Anonymous No.16542862]

>>16542799
also the fact that there isn't a consistent dose dependent relationship makes it less plausible. why does 1-9 drinks kill you more but 10-13 kill you less?

[Anonymous No.16542916]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31310-2/fulltext
you're wrong. the teetotalers also include former alcoholics who quit and dragged down the numbers. also moderate drinking is usually a social thing and therefore correlates with having healthy, happy relationships with other people. you're drinking poison (even if it's fun)

[Anonymous No.16542928]

>>16542916
>you're drinking poison
the dose makes the poison. the question here is how much is too much or does a moderate or small dose increase health/lifespan. i'd bet no but to really know you would have to do large, expensive randomized trials.

[Anonymous No.16542968]

>>16542928
>the dose makes the poison
fair enough, even water is "poisonous" at large enough quantities.
>the question here is how much is too much or does a moderate or small dose increase health/lifespan
i feel like there's not much of an argument in favor of any dose. you're giving your liver an extra burden while maybe getting some beneficial compounds from the alcohol's production process, but then you have to prove these compounds are useful, not immediately metabolized, and present in significant enough quantities to have an effect that outweighs whatever liver damage you might incur. that or you have to prove that the mental effects of alcohol somehow outweigh the physical damage. that's a very high bar to clear imo.
>you would have to do large, expensive randomized trials.
true, that's part of why it's difficult to get definitive answers on something like salt intake as well. however, whenever people talk about this stuff it feels like motivated reasoning to say "uh actually this is good for me." i think you can probably say it's good because it makes you happy, but making a scientific argument beyond that seems a little weird to me.

[Anonymous No.16543165]

>>16542614
the fuck kind of glasses do frogs use if a bottle is more than 10 glasses?

[Anonymous No.16543199]

>>16542576
>drinking wine instead of bud light
it's like you enjoy drinking shit.

[Anonymous No.16543212]

>>16542598
>>16542621
learn to read morons
the study is only among French people
>>16542862
take a fucking stats class jesus

[Anonymous No.16543216]

>>16542779
This. Correlation =/= causation.
/thread

[Anonymous No.16543356]

>>16543165
Thimbles apparently.
I use a half bottle per glass, but that's to satiate autism about even numbers for consumption.

[Anonymous No.16543406]

>>16543212
>take a fucking stats class jesus
what? I literally just accurately described the graph posted. not sure what you're on about

[Anonymous No.16543430]

>>16543406
>deleted
did you realize how dumb this was?
take a stats class

[Anonymous No.16543436]

>>16543430
yeah I realized i mistyped that and had them reversed

[Anonymous No.16543442]

>>16543430
my main point still stands though

[Anonymous No.16543458]

>>16543442
No it doesn't. Learn to read graphs

[Anonymous No.16543477]

>>16543458
I clearly don't understand can you explain it for me?

[Anonymous No.16543483]

>>16543477
No you need to take a statistics course

[Anonymous No.16543491]

>>16543483
So you don't know how to read graphs either? Looks like we're in the same boat.

[Anonymous No.16543503]

>>16543491
I know it how to read graphs because I took statistics courses
I'm not going to tutor you for free though

[Anonymous No.16543508]

>>16543503
Sounds like you can't read it either. If you could you could explain it in the time it took to reply to that post...

[Anonymous No.16543542]

>>16542721
According to this jewish science. Sure just let me give more money to booze grifters cause some mathemagicians said I'll live longer. Sure just let me jerk off to porn and drink booze cause I'll live longer, then smoke cigarettes cause my testosterone will increase. How about no and Christ is King.

[Anonymous No.16543552]

why don't you drug-addicted faggots just fucking say ''ye i drink/smoke/inject cus i like it'' instead of making up all these bitch ass excuses for your guilty pleasures

correlation does not equal causation.

[Anonymous No.16543656]

>>16543542
take your meds

[Anonymous No.16543672]

>>16543656
take a whiff of gas

[Anonymous No.16543703]

Hey
Basically I'm just gonna not drink it (alcohol)
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGH I know.... I know....
It's just that I'm not gonna drink it is all!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.16545277]

Let me redpill you on these studies. It's the classic "correlation is not causation" meme. What's the real cause of the pattern?

There's two kinds of people in the world--people who can handle moderate alcohol consumption, and alcoholics. People who can moderate their consumption are also good at moderating other unhealthy behaviors--overeating for instance.

So you have the alcoholics who swear off alcohol for good, but still haven't moderated other unhealthy behavior (left side of graph). You have the healthy people who can moderate their unhealthy behaviors including alcohol (middle of graph). And you have actual alcoholics (right of graph) who also can't moderate unhealthy behavior.

Wine is still unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.16545281]

>>16542614
How much is a bottle anon? 750ml is like 3 glasses.

[Anonymous No.16545283]

>>16545281
more like 7 glasses

most places serve 1 dl (100ml) portions, with a bit added for good measure

[Anonymous No.16545294]

"richer people drink less and have less dangerous jobs so they're less likely to die early"
shocking, it's almost as if the wine intake was irrelevant in that study. Should've taken a control group of rich and poor people who don't drink to see how the difference changed

[Anonymous No.16545297]

>>16545277
Based post. Unfortunately people are too dumb to interpret research.

[Anonymous No.16545300]

Fuck it boys. At this rate I'm going to live well into my 200s.

[Anonymous No.16545304]

>>16542576
10 GLASSES OF WINE IS NOT MODERATE LOL
T. ALCOHOL

[Anonymous No.16545305]

>>16542576
>Moderate
And where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.16545307]

>>16542598

[Anonymous No.16545308]

>>16545304
>>16545305
Doesn't moderate mean heaps? Like on Need For Speed Underground when you make the traffic moderate there's heaps more than when you make it light or medium.
>Mfw I don't into words and England

[Anonymous No.16545316]

>>16545307
>Yfw you finally found a scenario where you can use your reaction image you've had saved for 7 months

[Anonymous No.16545321]

>>16542576
I have zero glasses a day, because a plastic bladder isn't glass.

[Anonymous No.16545466]

why do people require academics to tell them if they should enjoy a certain food or not? Absolute faggotry. Have fun abstaining from Eggs one year and eat them in the next

[Anonymous No.16545486]

>>16545300
10 bottles of wine a day is the secret to immortality. The """"scientists"""" don't want you to know this

[Anonymous No.16545506]

>>16545316
I actually use that one pretty regularly and have been doing so for a lot longer than 7 months.

[Anonymous No.16545548]

>>16542576
The effect disappears when wealth is factored in.

[Anonymous No.16545724]

>>16542576
Every study suggesting health from wine consumption is funded by the wine industry. Alcohol is poison

[Anonymous No.16545736]

I have about zero confidence that a correlation study provides any meaningful information that I can utilize in my life.

[Anonymous No.16546539]

>>16545283
>mfw frenchies consider 3oz of wine a """""drink"""""
Lmao how fucking embarrassing. Is there a shortage over there or what?