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Adult men should eat a maximum of 36g of sugar a day (or 30g if you're British, the NHS doesn't allow you more without a loicense for eating sugar).

There is no difference between the sugars, by the way. 36g of honey is just as lethal to you as 36g of added sugar spread throughout the various garbage that 99.9% of people eat as innocent snacks, or as [any drink that isn't carbonated or non-carbonated water].

Have you tried living your life with less than 36g of sugar a day?

>> No.16542073

>>16542039
0g.

>> No.16542117

>>16542039
I used to eat a lot of ice cream, soda at lunch, and some other shit. I’d say around 150g of added and another 50g of natural. I was often tired.

>> No.16542139

>>16542073
Keto?

>> No.16542146

>>16542039
The only sugar I get is from fruit. I don't drink coffee or eat cereal. I mainly eat savory things.

>> No.16542157

>>16542146
>The only sugar I get is from fruit.
That should still be limited to 36g though.

>> No.16542161

I definitely eat less than 36g of sugar a day. I only eat two meals, one is oatmeal+homemade yogurt and the other is veggies+eggs.

I used to eat tons of sugar a day, like a whole sleeve of oreos in the morning and then peanut butter sandwiches in the evening. I was also doing a bit of physical labor then.

I've noticed absolutely no difference between the two diets. Never understood people claiming to suddenly become different people after cutting out sugar from their diet. I went from overdosing to basically nothing and feel basically the same. I'm pretty convinced most people just placebo effect themselves into thinking small diet changes make that huge a difference in their life.

>> No.16542166

>>16542157
I'm at 15g a day then. I don't understand the obsession with sweetness. Shit is too filling and I'm not even thin.

>> No.16542175

>>16542166
Well that's the advantage of eating sugar through fruit only. It fills you more, so you eat less sugar, and you shit out more fiber.

>> No.16542180

>>16542175
Makes sense. It feels good to eat better. And necessary after 28.

>> No.16542331

>>16542039
I eat about 200g of sugar a day because I refuse to cook. I'm a king, cooking is for slaves, and it's hella expensive (time to cook + time to shop + generally more expensive unless you buy tasteless shit like beans and

>> No.16542334

>>16542039
Probably like 30-120g a day.
160lbs 5'8"

>> No.16542341

>>16542334
>5'8"
My condolences

>> No.16542364

I eat a ridiculous amount of sugar, mostly in soda.
It's a very simple adversary, if you exercise enough to burn the calories, and you brush your teeth enough to stop your mouth bacteria eating it, you're completely fine. Sugar doesn't affect you in complicated ways, so if you take the simple actions to deal with it, you can eat as much as you like.

>> No.16542368

>>16542341
It sucks.

>> No.16542400

>>16542039
I've abstained from added sugar for a month. I don't track my natural sugar intake but it isn't much, fruit is almost too sweet for me now.

>> No.16542401

>>16542364
>It's a very simple adversary, if you exercise enough to burn the calories,
How much?

>> No.16542428

>>16542039
Well trimmed handsome boomer here: never cared. Eat any food, sweets I care for, drink my 4 litres of booze every week, pay for sex once a week. Living the life..jello?

>> No.16542438

>>16542401
I get up early and walk to work rather than taking public transit. comes out to 14km a day. Honestly the "brush your teeth" part is more worthy of a "how much", since most people never brush their teeth more than twice a day

>> No.16542445

>>16542139
0g would be zero carb or carnivore. Keto allows 20-50g of non-fiber carbs per day.

>> No.16542453

>>16542428
>will kill himself in less than 5 years from now

>> No.16542474

>>16542453
Actually planning but 15 years from now, and for other reasons.

>> No.16542476

>>16542438
Don't you have hobbies? Or is eating sugar and walking the only things you do?

>> No.16542483

80 grams of mostly fruit and vegetable sugar, 20 grams of synthetic sugar

>> No.16542484

>>16542474
All the holes in your legs from diabeetus?

>> No.16542488

>>16542401
If I masturbate three times a day, does that count as exercise?

>> No.16542510

>>16542484
As I said: well trimmed 6.2" , body 185lbs, brilliantly brainly gifted. Women should buy my semen.

>> No.16542528

Well trimmed = male pattern baldness

>> No.16542543

>>16542157

I don't think that's right. They're talking about added sugar. Fruit has fiber and shit to slow the sugars absorption. Not to mention all the other vitamins and antioxidants that fruit has.

>> No.16542548

>>16542476
lol

>> No.16542565

Probably about that much, yeah. 8g in oats or chutneys, some teas with some sugars, maybe some plain yogurt or something

>> No.16542570

>>16542510
>well trimmed 6.2"
Bro, you're only 6.2 inches tall? Are you an aborted fetus?

>> No.16542574

>>16542510
>Women should buy my semen.
Sign up at a sperm clinic and prove it. They'll pay you for your semen if everything you say is true, and you'll get bragging rights that women are literally paying for it.

>> No.16542584

>>16542570
Hell yeah, like I said: got brains, developed language thru mothers yapping. Can't wait till she pop me out.

>> No.16542589

>>16542543
Nope, it is indeed right. The advantage of fruit over added sugar is that the fiber is supposed to fill you up and reduce your sugar intake naturally through that. But for your body, sugar is still sugar.

>> No.16542597

>>16542146
coffee doesn't contain sugar retard

>> No.16542648

>>16542597
Coffee is even worse than sugar anyway. Especially the culture about it
>hehe I can't even exist without my cuppa joe :)
>hehe CODER = if coffee; produce code :)

>> No.16542871

I have no idea. I'm not a chick, fags.
>Oh I better log this in my diet book
You guys are so gay. You aren't going to live forever.

>> No.16542879

>>16542589
>sugar is still sugar.
true but the toxic effects come when you get high doses hitting your liver forcing it to convert it into fat. in natural fruit where it comes with fiber that is unlikely to happen unless you are binging on raisins or the higher sugar fruits

>> No.16543043

>>16542871
>You're not going to live forever so you should be hooked on to the sugar machine by your hand rubbing masters.

>> No.16543127

>>16543043
You are right. I enjoy sugar, not because humans are hardwired to enjoy sugar but because some nameless Jew told me to eat it.

>> No.16543153

>>16543127
You're literally not supposed to enjoy sugar the way your masters want you to. Anything sugary is not natural. I was going to say "any processed food" or something like that but there's almost nothing without sugar that you can buy, and even fruit is extra sweet compared to how it's supposed to be.

>> No.16543182

What does sugar taste like?

>> No.16543198

>>16542331
>I'm a king
Post your throne room.

>> No.16543314

>>16542445
no one eats 0g unless they go out of there way to eat like ribeye only, cream has 1g per tablespoon, eggs have 0.4g per egg, liver has a bunch, cheese has some

I do carnivore but would say im around 2g-6g per day

>> No.16543851

>>16542039
I eat between 200 to 400 g of sugar daily

>> No.16543859

>>16542039
You’re wrong buzzman. Sugar is bad for you and it’s why you have a twink body. Eat more meat.

>> No.16543934

isn't it 36g of added sugar not just sugar

>> No.16543943

>>16543851
No you don't

>> No.16543946

>>16543943
He literally does. It’s all he tweets about. And he spends like $300 a month on milk

>> No.16543950

>>16543946
that's lactose not sugar (sucrose)

>> No.16544065

>>16543950
The point is how bizarre your diet is.

Lactose is dietary sugar anyway.

>> No.16544070

>>16543950
Note that he didn’t deny spending $300 a month on milk

>> No.16544074

>>16543950
Hello.
I add significants amounts of the sucrose to all of my aliments; not solely of the lactose or the sugar of the milk.

>> No.16544085

>>16544070
I do spend something like this amount per month.

>> No.16544319

why does my table salt have dextrose in it bros

>> No.16544329

>>16544319
Anti-caking agent and filler.

>> No.16544350

>>16542039
Who cares? A healthy diet has never saved a single life.

Whether you eat a kale salad or eat a candy bar, we're all heading to the same place. So you might as well eat what you like.

>> No.16544374

>>16544350
diabetes and heart disease kills in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. of course you won't live forever but if you eat well and do a bit of exercise you will increase your health/lifespan by some amount

>> No.16544388

>>16544350
>A healthy diet has never saved a single life.
False unless you mean the vegan/vegetarian propaganda then I agree completely

>> No.16544398

>>16544350
Are you me? I couldn't care less?
This world had its time
Enjoy anons

>> No.16544908

>>16543182
It tastes sweet

>> No.16544910

>>16542039
>honey is fine but maple syrup is bad

>> No.16544914

>>16544910
>>16542039
>by the way. 36g of honey is just as lethal to you as 36g of added sugar

>> No.16544934

>>16542139
Yeah. Well, added, intentionally eaten refined sugar. Realistically, if I want to add up complex carbohydrates and count them as sugars it's more like 20g because I eat vegetables and shit, too. But I didn't think that's what the OP was asking.

>> No.16544952

>>16542161
how do you survive on only two small meals?

>> No.16544958

>>16542510
are you George Constanza?

>> No.16545007

>>16542331
it's only not expensive if you don't have a family

>> No.16545018

>>16545007
Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>> No.16545045

>>16542161
your shit looks boring my dude this is /ck/ not /fit/

>> No.16545050

>>16542039
No idea on the exact amount but all I eat is home cooked meals. No sodas, cakes etc. Though I do like bread. Going away for college soon so have to find a way to keep eating healthy.

>> No.16545245

Oatmeal with milk is full of sugar too tho

>> No.16545394

>>16542039
Honey and molasses isn't any better for you than any of that shit on the right. Wouldn't be surprised if this image was made by manufacturers of one of those two.

>> No.16545467

>>16545394
>Honey and molasses isn't any better for you than any of that shit on the right.
Literally said that in the OP.

>> No.16545621

If you're anti-sugar you are anti-science and an anti-Semite.

>> No.16545672

>>16545394
honey
>spikes your blood sugar
>has anti-microbial properties
sugar
>spikes your blood sugar

why is honey not any better?

>> No.16545701

>>16545672
You do know that eating any food will spike your blood sugar, right?

>> No.16545714

>>16545701
No it won't G-Fuel doesn't have any sugar.

>> No.16545763

>>16544350
>A healthy diet has never saved a single life.
Define "healthy." Vegan and vegetarian diets are not healthy.
Ever seen all those articles about people who live to be vibrant and healthy over 100, and they're interviewed about their habits? Almost every single time they talk about how they would eat all kinds of red meat, butter, saturated fats, few vegetables, etc. The people who write the articles always spin it as "Wow, what a LUCKY person who DID EVERYTHING WRONG and was STILL able to live to such an age!" But once you see enough of those you might start wondering... ARE they doing anything wrong? Maybe there's a reason every person living past 100 says they eat tons of meat and saturated fat.

>> No.16545769

>>16545701
to varying degrees, kinda the point of keto/carnivore, maybe I should have focused on the fructose and the liver instead of blood sugar
>>16545714
not really helping the argument, but it does got what plants crave

>> No.16545840

>>16545769
>but it does got what plants crave
?
how did you know I'm a CIA plant

>> No.16545860

>>16545840
oh, I assumed it was a electrolyte drink, anyways, glowies dont admit to being glowies

>> No.16546373

>>16545763
>Vegan and vegetarian diets are not healthy.
I get vegan but vegetarian? Didn't Japanese basically live on a vegetarian diet all their lives because of what The Buddha told them?

>> No.16546390

>>16546373
I would say Japanese people have a pescatarian diet, not a vegetarian one. They eat LOTS of seafood and LOTS of eggs. Those animal sources of food are what's so good.

>> No.16546396

>>16546390
Well vegetarians are allowed to eat those

>> No.16546402

Sugar is the devil.

In the 1960s, the sugar industry funded research that downplayed the risks of sugar and highlighted the hazards of fat, according to a newly published article in JAMA Internal Medicine.

The article draws on internal documents to show that an industry group called the Sugar Research Foundation wanted to "refute" concerns about sugar's possible role in heart disease. The SRF then sponsored research by Harvard scientists that did just that. The result was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1967, with no disclosure of the sugar industry funding.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

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These cereal bars are the only sugary thing I still regularly consume. Usually just 1 or 2 of these per day is enough to satisfy my sweet tooth and I think that still puts me under 36g if I don't have any fruit that day.

>> No.16546419

>>16542039
I don't think about it. I avoid being a glutton and try to practice moderation in most things. I don't feel the need to have dessert daily, don't drink soda, and don't sweeten my coffee. But I'm down to get donuts, order dessert at a nice restaurant, maybe go out for an ice cream cone, or have a coke if I'm hungover.

I think practicing moderation and being active is plenty for most people. I think losing the forest for the trees probably causes undue (and unhealthy) stress

>> No.16546424

>>16544319
Dextrose stabilizes the iodine. If you just add iodine without dextrose eventually the iodine will stop doing anything.

>> No.16546428

>>16546396
They just usually don't each much of them. There's a reason a separate label for pescatarian exists, and it's because pescatarians make seafood the primary staple of their diet while vegetarians make vegetables the primary staple of their diet and they do have different health outcomes because of that.

>> No.16546436

>>16546396
You aren't vegetarian if you eat fish.

>> No.16546441

>>16546436
Fish are basically an in between step between sentient beings and plants.

>> No.16546457

>>16546441
Okay. You're still not a vegetarian when you eat fish.

>> No.16546463

>>16546457
>malding vaginatarian

>> No.16546480

>>16546463
I'm not a vegetarian. I just think it's dumb to eat fish and pat yourself on the back because you think fish are plants.

>> No.16547079

>>16546402
How do we debunk this anti-Semitism?

>> No.16547100

>>16542039
Fruit sugar is offset by its natural fiber, not because it's natural.

>> No.16547120

>>16542039
>There is no difference between the sugars, by the way. 36g of honey is just as lethal to you as 36g of added sugar
Honey is sweeter than sugar though. You would just add less of it

>> No.16547156

>>16547100
>Fruit sugar is offset by its natural fiber, not because it's natural.
It's not offset by it's fiber, the fiber just happens to be filling which prevents you from eating too much fruit sugar. A fat fuck could easily get fat from eating fruit.

>> No.16547207

>>16547156
It also decreases the load on your liver so instead of it being dumped on it quickly from a soda it trickles onto and your liver can deal with it reasonably well.

>> No.16547209

>>16547156
The fiber slows digestion so you don't get the same blood sugar spike and crash compared to something like soda. Vitamin C in fruit has also been shown to help control blood sugar. Along with potentially other phytochemicals having even more positive effects on blood sugar. There seems to be quite a bit else in fruit that helps sugar not have the negative effects it does when refined and eaten on its own.

Also it is technically possible for someone to get fat on fruit but it's incredibly unlikely. It'd take you a lot longer to get 40g of sugar from whole fruit but you could drink that in seconds with a soda.

>> No.16547218

>>16547209
>but it's incredibly unlikely.
I wouldn't say incredibly unlikely. If you are eating a lot of the higher sugar fruits its pretty easy. You'd likely have to eat quite a lot of them though...

>> No.16547516

>>16547218
Mango has the highest amount of sugar for a single piece of fruit but it's still only like 200 calories and takes a while to eat. You can go way past that with a lot of other junk food in a short amount of time. Plus I always feel like fruit is a lot more satisfying to eat. Like I'd eat a handful of strawberries which is only 7g of sugar or so and want to stop eating, but I could easily eat way more cake and cookies. Might help that a lot of fruit is kind of acidic instead of just pure sweetness which helps limit your intake as well.

>> No.16547984

>>16546402
>Sugar is the devil.
Omg this, so much this, Karen!

>> No.16548050

>>16547984
something is causing diabetes and insulin resistance and its probably the sugar

>> No.16548140

>>16542648
>Coffee is even worse than sugar anyway.
How exactly?

>> No.16548418

>>16542039
I've seen a canned coffee beverage claim "zero added sugar", and turned it around to see honey in the ingredients list and "natural sugar" listed on the nutrition facts.

Natural vs Added sugar is nothing but marketing "propaganda" to sway people into thinking some sugary products are healthier than other sugary products.

>> No.16548442

>>16548418
it's like packages that say "no corn syrup" but it ends up having more sugar than other brands that use corn syrup anyway. more people really need to learn how to read nutritional labels and ingredient lists instead of relying on whatever the front of the package says which most of the time is intentionally misleading.

>> No.16548448

>>16548418
This.
Fuck the corporate lobbyists who have convinced the government to allow labeling "natural" sugars differently. If you added honey or cane sugar to your product then you fucking added sugar, you don't get to say otherwise. It's so retarded.

>> No.16548725

>>16548448
They've got plenty more tricks from where that came from. How about listing sugar as multiple different, obscure ingredients so they are further down the list...

>> No.16549489

>>16542039
White/added sugar? Almost none.
Sugar from fruit, vegetables and grains? About 30g a day

>> No.16549574

I just wish there wasn't so much added sugar in everything you can buy at the store. I eat two cup noodles a day (those have almost no sugar) and usually one "sweet" processed food that's less than 20g of sugar or tater chips. That's my lunch/dinner all in one. Don't eat breakfast. You'd think that I'd look like an Auschwitz prisoner after doing such diet but I don't actually lose much weight from that. Sugar really does a lot for you.

>> No.16549762

>>16549574
>NEET life

>> No.16549822

>>16548140
i learned too late caffeine withdrawal is a bitch. though i will say a coffee addiction doesn't look as bad as a sugar addiction and coffee does have the bonus of lasering your focus

>> No.16549851

>>16542039
I got taught that in living skills class. Murica's gone fatjob cuz of all the sugar being turned into fat from the liver. Especially when the video dished out the part where every consumable item in a grocery store has sugar in it. This came to limiting my sugar consumption to 1 can/ half a bottle of soda a day and then came all out limiting of it through diet soda. Now I'm at Kirkland trail mix and fruit for my sugar intake along with the occasional mug of hot cocoa and Calorie Mates

>> No.16549859

>>16542438
Does this happen to be you at boot camp?

>> No.16549917

>>16549851
>I got taught that in living skills class.
Do Americans... really?

>> No.16549943

Sugar deniers are like antivaxxers

>> No.16549945

>>16549943
Why not go straight to holocaust deniers?

>> No.16549949

>>16549822
There are people who proudly say they literally cannot work without their coffee drug.

I'm pretty sure most people can exist without eating sugar every morning. At worst, the withdrawal comes after a few days with no sugar.

>> No.16549959

>>16542438
I brush my teeth three times a day

>> No.16550004

>>16549959
Not enough

>> No.16550498

>>16549917
Parents here don't teach their kids life skills any more, they rely on schools to teach literally everything from diet to cooking to budgeting to doing laundry. Schools/government are the new parents now, it's terrifying.

>> No.16550515

>>16542039
20 grams of added sugar. 5 grams for every cup of coffee.

>> No.16550545

>>16550004
I brush my teeth once a day and my teeth are fine.

>> No.16550547

>>16549851
Do the life living skills classes teach you to not walk in your sneakers inside your home? Or do they give you some arguments to justify that at least?

>> No.16550562

>>16550547
>TV shows are real life
Fucking retard.

>> No.16550569

Is this board full of diabetics? They see a cupcake and they get PTSD.

>> No.16550570

>>16550562
Literally every American I asked said that they do in fact do that, which is why they think Japan is a mysterious culture because they take their shoes off.

>> No.16550574

>>16550569
Cupcakes did not exist prior to the 1920s. You're not supposed to eat sugary food. It's no different than living on a vegan diet. You're supposed to eat lots of red meat and fat. Men are carnivores.

>> No.16550598

>>16550574
Vegans live longer on average and have lower cancer and heart disease rates than meat eaters.

>> No.16550601

>>16550570
I'm American and it's true we leave our shoes on if we're visiting for a short time and planning to leave soon (like you just sit down in the front room or kitchen for an hour or two), but not if our shoes are dirty (if you'll track anything inside you damn well remove them no matter what). Sometimes you'll have a sort of indoor/outdoor gathering and people don't remove their shoes each time they head outside, but in most cases if we're planning to stay for an extended time we'll also take our shoes off, and certainly when you come home you take off your shoes. Maybe it's just a coastiefag thing to wear shoes literally all day long no matter what with no consideration for others because they're rude barbarians.

>> No.16550632

>Eat sugary food
>Suddenly have the urge to go die in the Middle East for Israel

>> No.16550648

>>16550632
What's the deal with these types who are scared by sugar also being racist schizoids?

>> No.16550650

>>16542039
I just did the biggest shit ever

>> No.16550701

>>16550648
See >>16546402

>> No.16550774

>>16550574
>Men are carnivores.
Carnivores don't have tastebuds for sweetness, or overdose on iron and vitamin A, or have enzymes in their saliva to digest starch. Most carnivores don't even really chew their food at all and just swallow pieces of it whole. I'm not denying that animal fat and protein are good for us though. Just saying we're not carnivores.

>>16550598
They also have higher rates of deficiencies compared to a good omnivore diet and have lower muscle mass on average which is actually pretty bad for people as they get older as it leads to a higher risk of fractures and other mobility problems.

>> No.16550810

Oh God a sugar cube is near me and I'm absolutely terrified what do?

>> No.16550832
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>>16550810
SHOOT IT

>> No.16550872

>>16542589
Please post a article that says you should limit natural sugar to >36g per day.
One banana and a slice of bread would be over if that was the case

>> No.16550894

>>16544952
He was lethargic before cause he was obese now he's lethargic cause of his 600 calorie intake a day.

>> No.16550949

>>16550872
>Please post a article that says you should limit natural sugar to >36g per day.
There are no such articles, because the 36g applies to sugar. Sugar is sugar. Natural sugar and "added sugar" makes no difference.

>> No.16550973

Um no sweetie, natural sugar is good for you>>16550894

>> No.16550982

>>16542161
>I went from eating lots of sugar and also physically laboring on a daily basis to eating very little sugar while being completely sedentary
>How come I didn't see a difference? It's not like activity levels affect how your body utilizes food energy or something, right?!

>> No.16551004

>>16550949
Almost everything I looked at has said you only have to limit added sugar while you don't have to worry about sugar that's naturally in unprocessed foods. There is a huge difference in how your body reacts to sugar from soda compared to fruit even if you're consuming an equal amount.

>> No.16551042

>>16551004
Then why does let's say a "100% natural orange juice" (like the expensive kind that you can tell was made from actual oranges) list its sugar as "sugar", just like every other product made from fruits?

>> No.16551054

>>16551004
>There is a huge difference in how your body reacts to sugar from soda compared to fruit even if you're consuming an equal amount.
There may be a difference between drinking a soda and eating an orange, but if you actually isolate the sugar from each and eat an equal amount there will be ZERO difference. A glass of pulp-free orange juice has no different effect on your body than an equally sized glass of Coca-Cola.

>> No.16551065

Since carb is sugar. About 70g and I'm trying my hardest to get it lower

>> No.16551072

>carb is sugar
He can't be this retarded, can he?

>> No.16551079

It's get broken down into glucose by your body and it's effectively the same
But stay ignorant if you want it doesn't really impact me

>> No.16551110

>>16551054
>A glass of pulp-free orange juice has no different effect on your body than an equally sized glass of Coca-Cola.
Mostly but not entirely. Vitamin C has been shown to help control blood sugar, which is in orange juice but not soda. You've still removed a lot of the other stuff from the orange when making juice though so the difference probably isn't that big.

>> No.16551119

>>16551079
>it's effectively the same
Uhm, this is not true. Fructose is horrible for you, because it doesn't elicit the same insulin response as glucose. So you have elevated blood sugar for way too long. This is why type 2 diabetes is so prevalent in the US, and basically nowhere else in the world. Because only the US stuffs HFCS in everything.

>> No.16551122

>>16551110
>You've still removed a lot of the other stuff from the orange when making juice though
That's my point. The sugar in each item is not different. Only the things surrounding them are different. There is a massive difference between saying "equal amounts of sugar from fruit or sugar from soda" and saying "an equal mass of fruit or soda." Because an equal amount of the sugar will affect you just the same, but an equal mass of fruit will contain much less sugar than the soda due to much of that mass being taken up by fiber, flesh, etc.

>> No.16551131

>>16551119
>fructose causes diabetes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5436961/
>RESULTS:
>Fifteen prospective cohort studies (251 261 unique participants, 16 416 cases) met the eligibility criteria, comparing the highest intake (median 137, 35.2 and 78 g/d) with the lowest intake (median 65, 9.7 and 25.8 g/d) of total sugars, fructose and sucrose, respectively. Although there was no association of total sugars (RR 0.91, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.76–1.09) or fructose (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.84–1.29) with type 2 diabetes, sucrose was associated with a decreased risk of type 2 diabetes (RR 0.89, 95% CI 0.80–0.98). Our confidence in the estimates was limited by evidence of serious inconsistency between studies for total sugars and fructose, and serious imprecision in the pooled estimates for all 3 sugar categories.

>> No.16551135

>>16551119
>type 2 diabetes is so prevalent in the US, and basically nowhere else in the world
It's on the rise everywhere as other countries adopt more and more American food and American food manufacturing processes, it's just not talked about much. Japan is getting more diabetic cases by the millions year on year thanks to the increase of processed foods and general westernization of their food-making processes.

>> No.16551145

>>16551131
>MUH PAID SHILL STUDIES
>IGNORE THE OBSERVABLE METABOLIC PROCESSES BRO
>DON'T MAKE CONNECTIONS FROM LOOKING AT HOW CERTAIN NUTRIENTS ARE PROCESSED BY THE BODY
>ONLY LISTEN TO OUR POORLY-DESIGNED STUDIES INTENDED TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC INTO GULPING DOWN MORE CORN SYRUP SWILL
Fuck off.

>> No.16551260

>>16544350
>fat person cope
lol

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>>16542334
>>16542368
>160lbs 5'8"
iktfb

>> No.16551285

>>16551131
>fructose doesn't lead to more diabetes
>sucrose leads to less diabetes
ergo, fructose leads to more diabetes.

>> No.16551314

>>16551131
Man, you need to learn about chemistry and biology. You have 3 types of monosaccharides, fructose, glucose and galactose.
Now normal table sugar consists of glucose and fructose, and e.g. lactose consists of galactose and glucose. Now your body is dumb, and was designed by evolution, and since glucose is present in pretty much all natural sources of sugar, it evolved to secrete insulin whenever glucose is detected. Now this works great for nature, because generally where there's fructose, there's glucose so you get insulin and your blood sugar stays under control. Now enter the HFCS industry that pumps your food full of fructose. Suddenly you no longer get the insulin response you need to manage your blood sugar, and you massively increase your risk of developing diabetes.
This is also exactly what the "study" you linked shows. It's an American meta-study, so "total sugars" will be dominated by fructose anyway, thus the total sugars and fructose categories are effectively the same, and give the same baseline reading "no association", you see that glucose yielded reduced occurrences of type 2 diabetes, exactly because it is glucose that elicits the body's insulin response.

https://www.longdom.org/open-access/the-role-of-fructose-in-type-2-diabetes-and-other-metabolic-diseases-2155-9600-1000659.pdf
First sentence >Fructose is a hexose that when ingested in high amount increases the risk of type 2 diabetes and other metabolic
diseases

Stop shilling for big sugar.

>> No.16551327

>>16551314
>>16551131
And to add on, their conclusion that fructose doesn't lead to T2 diabetes, based on their own numbers, is false. You see total sugars and sucrose at .89, .91 and fructose at 1.04. So there IS an increased risk from fructose.

Also look at how the fucking competing interests section could be a novel on its own.

>> No.16551353

>>16551327
Fructose increases liver fat at high doses and we also have epidemics of non alcoholic fatty liver disease in children as well as adults.

>> No.16551355

>>16542039
Not really. I like alcohol too much.

>> No.16551467

>>16551314
>>16551327
So you're telling me I should trust some random dude on 4chan over the experts and science?

>> No.16551496

>>16551467
>no input
Shut up then, retard.

>> No.16551497

>>16551467
>muh paid off experts
>muh bad science that literally gives conclusions counter to the presented data
No, we're telling you to engage your fucking critical thinking and read the study instead of blindly following the conclusion summary. There's nothing inherently wrong with experts or studies, but there are so many bad studies you really have to learn to analyze them yourself. Those posts didn't say, "Dude, trust me," they pointed to very specific flaws and discrepancies between the presented data and the presented conclusion.

>> No.16551568

>DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!

>> No.16551699

>>16551314
Prove that sugar is associatied with diabetes risk among thin people, fattie. You fat fucks obfuscate nutritional science.

>> No.16551752

>>16551699
My BMI is 21

>> No.16552147

>>16551752
Over 20 is skinnyfat at least

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>>16552147
right

>> No.16552273

>>16552261
>obese
>a bit heavy
I hate this shifting of definitions that's been happening.

>> No.16552430

>>16542039
I actually exercise, so no I don't have an eating disorder like most of you fatties that avoid 9000 food groups because your online blog told you to.

>> No.16552457

>>16551568
No, it's:
>ACTUALLY READ THE STUDIES BEFORE YOU LINK THEM

>> No.16552463

>>16552273
it's a meme that highlights how bmi doesn't work if you're an athlete

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>>16542039
Uhm honey isn't naturally occurring, Bees make that shit. Same with Mole Asses, that shit was processed, PROCESSED!
>milk
Do not even get me started.

>> No.16552475

>>16552430
>I exercise 30 minutes a week (!!! bet you're impressed guys !!!) so my 200 pounds are justified
>eats his 10th mars bar for the day

>> No.16552487

>>16542589
> But for your body, sugar is still sugar.
There are actual things that make sugar unhealthy though. It's not just bad because "it's sugar." If the effects of isolated sugar isn't the same as sugar from fruit, then it's not a worry.

Isolated sugar may be rapidly absorbed, and its digestion can cause oxidative damage that contributes to chronic disease risk. Fruit sugar is slowly absorbed and comes with antioxidants that more than make up for the digestive process and give health benefits on top of it.

>> No.16552545

>>16552469
Cane sugar and fructose are manufactured through photosynthesis. Not natural in the least.

>> No.16552670

>>16552545
Photosynthesis is natural rwtard

>> No.16552673

>>16552670
WHOOOOOSH

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>> No.16552751

>>16552670
>synthesis
Synthetic means NOT natural. IDIOT.

>> No.16552781

>>16549949
I'm ashamed to say I become a vegetable with work without coffee. should have just drank decaf but i didn't, and now I pay the price.

>> No.16553074

>>16552545
Natural sucrose and fructose is that, natural.
You eat the source, you gain the sugar.
Honey is made by Bees.
Mole Asses is manufactured by man.
"""milk""" is only healthy and natural from a female (female) [human] breast.
Eating cane sugar and fruit is perfectly healthy and natural.

>> No.16553818

>>16553074
>"""milk""" is only healthy and natural from a female (female) [human] breast.
Wrong. Just because humans extract it from cow tits too doesn't mean it stops being healthy. Ants do something similar with other tiny insect species in example.

>> No.16553839

>>16542039
I eat practically no added sugar and I'm fat as fuck.

>> No.16553850

>>16550547
Just shit we're not taught such as W-2s and taxes.

>> No.16553884

If sugar is so bad for you then why does being fat literally have the same word as fat (the substance)?

Fat has been making people fat since times immemorial.

>> No.16553894

I cook all of my meals and I generally am too lazy to add any sugar to my dishes, am 24 bmi so pretty fat
I think sugar is fine though and not really interested in any craze diets beyond low calories aside from limiting saturated fat intake which despite being a craze i'm ok with doing

>> No.16553897

>>16553839
You'd be surprised how much added sugar you actually eat. Those three Big Macs a day? They're not sugary are they? But there's actually like 10g of sugar in each of them. If you don't check yourself before you wreck yourself, you wreck yourself.

>> No.16554018

This thread convinced me unironically that anti-Sugar people are anti-Semites.

>> No.16554118

>>16553897
I don't even eat fast food on a monthly basis anon, let alone multiple times a day. I cook almost everything that I eat, so I know how much sugar is put into my food.

>> No.16554210

>>16554018
Anti sugar people are terrorists

>> No.16554546

If you go low sugar for 1 month you will be shocked by how mu

>> No.16554701

Ketofags are just delusional fatties

>> No.16554748

>>16554118
Bread from the grocery store contains high fructose corn syrup. You might want to start checking more labels if you think making your own food means you avoid all added sugar. Also all sugar is bad, whether it's called "added" or not, so if you think eating naturally sugary items helps you then you're wrong and that thinking is probably why you're fat.

>> No.16554749

>>16554546
Oh god, the sugar agents got him.

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>>16542589
>being this fucking stupid
lmfao

>> No.16554812

>>16554780
>thinks sugar found in fruit is chemically different from sugar anywhere else
>calls other people stupid

>> No.16554828

>>16554748
>all sugar is bad
>all salt is bad
>all cholesterol is bad
>all fat, saturated or otherwise, is bad
>all carbs are bad

>> No.16554834

>>16554828
>>all sugar is bad
yes
>>all salt is bad
no
>>all cholesterol is bad
no
>>all fat, saturated or otherwise, is bad
no
>>all carbs are bad
starches that convert directly to glucose are fine in moderation

>> No.16554998

>>16554828
Everything you listed except sugar is not bad. Cope, sugarscum

>> No.16555141

>>16554998
>>16554834
lol fatties see someone having an ice cream and start crying
Imagine being so obese sugar scares you

>> No.16555144

>>16542039
Great info graphic. The 36g in your text is madeup though. Natural sugar you can have unlimited. Added sugar except raw sugar you can have zero. Simple as.

>> No.16555149

>>16555144
>Added sugar except raw sugar you can have zero.
Not all of us are diabetic.

>> No.16555162

>>16555149
>he thinks all it does is cause diabetes
Enjoy your bad skin, deteriorated muscle growth, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, organ failure, insulin destroying goop. Yummy yummy xanthum gum.
>a little bit. Yes. Yeeees. Just a liiiiittle bit. Eeeeeeehehehehehehe. Yessss. Eat it. Yesssessssssss.

>> No.16555171

>>16555162
lol fattie

>> No.16555175

>>16555171
>assumes because the subject is simple sugar
Wouldn't a fattie be for simple sugar? And I can go on about skin care or the importance of not eating off plastics just as much as I can simple sugar.

>> No.16555187

>>16555141
It's fine to have an ice cream as long as you recognize and admit that it's bad for you. Just like it's okay to have a drink as long as you recognize and admit alcohol is bad for you. It's the people who say sugar is good for people that are literally poisoning all of society. Indulgence is fine on occasion, but many people eat lots of sugar daily with almost every meal and think it's actually healthy.

>> No.16555192

>>16555187
Bad according to whom?
Prove that sugar is unhealthy for thin, active people.

>> No.16555197

>>16555192
>the impetus is on you to prove your goop lab processed food is BAD for me, otherwise I choose to believe it is good for me, eventhough the definition of the word food is being stretched here
Ok. No convincing you then apparently. Emjoy.

>> No.16555407

>>16555144
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/added-sugar-in-the-diet/

The AHA suggests an added-sugar limit of no more than 100 calories per day (about 6 teaspoons or 24 grams of sugar) for most women and no more than 150 calories per day (about 9 teaspoons or 36 grams of sugar) for most men.

>> No.16555766

>>16542879
I cut almost all added sugar from my diet and reversed fatty liver ... doc celebrated with me and cheered me on for quitting alcohol.

I didn't ... I'm still downing a six pack a day. I've lost 15 lbs, and gained more muscle. All by cutting out non fruit sugars. Shits wild.

>> No.16555772

>>16555407
See >>16555162
No amount of added sugar is acceptable and even "scientists" are pulling it out of their ass that it is acceptable. Big ag lobbies routinely to blur the lines of the definition of the word "sugar".

>> No.16555910

>>16554748
I don't eat that corn syrup crap. You have this weird delusion that fat people must eat junk food and you're so stuck on it. It's not hard to get fat eating healthy food if you eat enough for two people like I do. I will eat a gallon of vegetable soup. I will eat an entire chicken. But I will not eat packaged snacks and sweets. Do you understand?

>> No.16555938

>>16555772
>see my post with no sources
Lol fattie pls

>> No.16556623

The big sugar companies sponsored this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

>> No.16556695

>>16542039
>0g carbs
And yes, fiber is a carb.

>> No.16556755

>>16556695
Who are you quoting honey?

>> No.16558141

>>16556695
its indigestible to humans and is usually not as nutritive as animal foods so why even eat them.

>> No.16558176

120-250g a day for almost 10 years, started drinking litres of soda a day as a kid. Still haven't been diagnosed with diabetes but I feel like crap a lot

>> No.16558191

>>16558176
>diagnosed with diabetes
you have it long before they diagnose it. by the time the doctor says your blood sugar is elevated you've been insulin resistant whipping the fuck out of your beta cells for years or decades already
SOYJJ

>> No.16558290

>>16558191
Yeah I've heard this before but like I said I've been consuming that much for 10 years, how much longer till I'm shooting insulin?

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>>16558290
there's no real way to know everybody has different thresholds and responses. one of the better numbers to find out would be your homa-ir which calculates your level of insulin resistance to some approximation. just test fasting blood sugar * fasting insulin * some number. this is one of if not the most prevalent medical conditions and your doctor likely has no idea of

>> No.16558584

>>16542039
Real men eat nothing but sugar

>> No.16558782

I eat lots of sugar because they put it in pretty much everything and I refuse to cook my own meals.

>> No.16559397

If sugar is bad for you then why does it make everything taste so much better?

>> No.16559851

>>16558584
>>16559397
Cocoa cola has deposited $0.05 in your accounts.

>> No.16559860

>>16555766
very interesting anon. congrats btw!