/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16503622]

What's up with this new right wing meme that "seed oils" are bad for you and are one of the root causes of the decline of western civilization?

[Anonymous No.16503633]

>>16503622
Furiously rubbing hands typed this post.

[Anonymous No.16503657]

>>16503622
The issue is that most of them go through extensive refining processes. Go look up how they're made with chemical solvents and deodorizers and whatever else. They're basically a processed food, and I don't think there's any dispute about processed food being less healthy. I don't think minimally processed oils are unhealthy though. Promoting them as a healthier alternative over animal fats was probably done more from an economic standpoint than an actual health standpoint, and it's normal for there to be eventual backlash to that. Especially after we found out that vegetable shortening killed a ridiculous number of people while it was claimed to be healthier.

I don't really think it's specifically a right-wing talking point though, as you'll find plenty of left-wing people criticizing processed foods as well. Although right-wing people are probably more likely to promote unprocessed animal products and left-wing people might promote unprocessed plant foods more.

[Anonymous No.16503706]

>>16503622
zero carb science, poly unsaturated fatty acids are bad for you while saturated fat is what we evolved to eat, your cells are made up of the fat you eat, fun fact, if you elimate PUFA's and only consume saturated fat, you can stay in the sun for twice as long without burning

keto tards still slop up the oils like crazy, when I question them about it I get responses like
>I only care about calories and carbs
this is the problem when a diet is promoted as a weightloss diet, you get retards with one thing on their mind
>I want to be skinny

[Anonymous No.16503709]

>>16503622
Vegetable / soybean oil is legitimately bad for you though.

[Anonymous No.16503714]

>>16503706
>if you elimate PUFA's and only consume saturated fat, you can stay in the sun for twice as long without burning
interesting

[Anonymous No.16503715]

>>16503622
It's all contrarian bullshit like everything with right wing. They are just against everything. And therefore they are almost always wrong.

[Anonymous No.16503718]

>>16503622
>muh right wing
Fuck off with your politics trolling /pol/cancer.

[Anonymous No.16503775]

>>16503715
EAT THE MACHINE OIL
TAKE THE JAB

[Anonymous No.16503784]

>>16503622
Its actually a really good lubricant for chainsaws.
Since you're sawing trees out in nature, you don't want a petroleum based lubricant. It gets consumed quickly as the chain cuts the wood, so a fair amount is left in the environment.
Refined seed oils fits the bill perfectly. Cheap and biodegradable, meets all the engineering requirements of and industrial lubricant.
Decline of western civilization, my ass. In decades past we would have used a petroleum based oil to lubricate our chainsaws. This is a huge leap forward.

[Anonymous No.16503795]

What does this have to with politics. It's just oil. People want to pay premium for alternative oils that's fine with me. Lard, butter oil, all the same. You simply don't eat enough of the stuff for the health differences to matter. Taste is far more important. You can't have tamales without lard, or bread without butter, or Certain Indian dishes without mustard oil. Canola oil,corn oil, peanut oil are all fine oils that have been produced for centuries. It's a meme to hate them. And like I said, cooking oils do not form bulk of your daily calories. Thinking one oil will dramatically increase your wellbeing over the others is falling for marketing.

[Anonymous No.16503803]

>>16503795
>Canola oil,corn oil, peanut oil are all fine oils that have been produced for centuries.
They haven't been produced exactly the same way that whole time though.

[Anonymous No.16503812]

>>16503803

True, but what has. You mentioned chemical processes. I don't see the issue. Are the chemical processes creating harmful byproducts? Are we consuming the chemicals themselves? Chemical processes in food have been used since the bronze age too. What is nixtamlization. Or Fermentation.

[Anonymous No.16503813]

>>16503622
It's kind of funny when the meat and dairy industry is the one receiving the overwhelming majority of the subsidies

[Anonymous No.16503821]

>>16503622
Look up "canola oil production flowchart" and if you don't get it - NGMI!

There shouldn't be anything "right wing" about this - any hippie in the 60's would have just cooked like a normal human with butter and lard.

"seed oil" products are way below peasant gruel and a convenient way to mask consumer goods inflation - not even fit for a dog.

[Anonymous No.16503825]

>>16503715
Love when leftists internalize Schmitt completely and thus become subconscious Nazis

There is no escape buddy

[Anonymous No.16503827]

>>16503813
You have no idea what you are talking about. Google "US corn subsidies" or "US Soybean Subsidies"

[Anonymous No.16503841]

>>16503812
The deodorization changes the nutritional content of the oil and actually does create some harmful byproducts. And that's just heating up the oil with some water, I'm sure the other more intensive forms of processing do something similar as well.

[Anonymous No.16503852]

>>16503622

Do not eat anything that has been processed, simple as.

[Anonymous No.16503854]

>>16503827
Woah I wonder whats eating all that corn and soybeans

[Anonymous No.16503876]

>>16503854
cows, chickens and pigs, but only one of those animals can concert most of the PUFA's to saturated fat, the other two become one with the corn

[Anonymous No.16503882]

>>16503622
Heart disease magically started appearing around the time Crisco introduced the first cooking oils. As cooking oil use has increased, so too has heart disease.

[Anonymous No.16503890]

>>16503882
havnt you seen the commercial, its heart healthy

[Anonymous No.16503891]

>>16503876
So the meat and dairy industry is overwhelmingly subsidised you admit and you practically lied, assuming you were the anon I replied to

[Anonymous No.16503892]

>>16503890

[Anonymous No.16503897]

>>16503891
no, hes gone, but the subsidies were put in place during the war, and when the government tried to revoke them after the farmers revolted because they got comfy with the cash, corn and soy is in enough human products too, see the chai tea I just posted

[Anonymous No.16503911]

>>16503622
I bet you think avoiding products with HFCS or soy protein isolate is a right wing meme too.

[Anonymous No.16503920]

>>16503897
About 6 percent of soybeans are used directly for human consumption compared to 83 percent for animal feed and 2 percent for soyflours and proteins for food use.

Should have all subsidies removed to stop the artificially lowered prices or at least equal the subsidies of other foods like fruit and vegetables

[Anonymous No.16503954]

>>16503920
meat, veggies and fruit would be ideal, but they seem to only subsidize high yielding trash like corn, soy and wheat

[Anonymous No.16503971]

>>16503882

oh come on, you realize that's about as relevant as saying as computer use has increased, heart disease has increased, therefore computers cause heart disease?

i have no dog in this race but just had to point out how stupid you sound.

[Anonymous No.16503980]

>>16503706
>act, if you elimate PUFA's and only consume saturated fat, you can stay in the sun for twice as long without burning
Source?

[Anonymous No.16503984]

>>16503633

[Anonymous No.16503986]

>>16503971
hows that the same, one thing you ingest and becomes part of the cells in your body, the other thing at most contributes to a lack of exercise

[Anonymous No.16503992]

>>16503841
Oh god no they’re processing the oil with hot wate-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.16503993]

>>16503980
anecdotal, from many carnivore eaters, I dont really do sources, I listen to where I see a large amount of anecdotes and try it and see if I like it too, I dont care what science has to say

[Anonymous No.16503995]

>>16503993
This poster has a 15 inch cock

[Anonymous No.16503999]

>>16503986
your post was:

as x increases, y increases, therefore x causes y.

that's boomer logic and holds no water. Just take this L and move on, you learn something new everyday.

[Anonymous No.16504000]

>>16503892
>27g of sugar

Can we stop with this ? I'd rather it tastes bland than drink that sugar.

[Anonymous No.16504011]

>>16503999
trips, but thats like 99% of nutrition science, how many 6oz servings of red meat did you eat in the last 6 months?

[Anonymous No.16504026]

>>16503992
Yeah that's why it's surprising to me that one of the more basic processing steps created a harmful byproduct. I'd be curious to see nutritional differences between every step of refining.

[Anonymous No.16504644]

>>16503622
>mfw I can be healthy and stick it to right wingers by getting vaccinated and eating canola oil

[Anonymous No.16505019]

>>16503622
I think I was reading an old book about how the jewish slave owners in the south were making money off of corn, tobacco, cotton, etc basically everything that makes the American way of life and they were basically cost effective to make and slaves made that better.

[Anonymous No.16505050]

It's only good for Marie's italian tomato sauce

[Anonymous No.16505064]

>>16503622
>>16503715
>>16504644
eating things fried in animal fat (though finding a good butcher is necessary) or butter does not cause me to feel like my heart will explode, which was commonly the case with sunflower oil (which is the only one that's affordable in this part of the world)
i dont think vedgetable oils are inherently bad but ill avoid frying shit in them as much as possible

[Anonymous No.16505104]

>>16505050
Jesus christ
how horrifying!

[Anonymous No.16505203]

>>16503980
his remarkably sunburnt ass

[Anonymous No.16505222]

>>16504011
>but thats like 99% of nutrition science
what kind of a defence is that? you're correct it's pseudoscientific horseshit so strange to assume that kind of argument would convince anyone with a brain.

[Anonymous No.16505225]

>>16503706
Is plive oil a seed oil????

[Anonymous No.16505271]

>>16505225
olive oil is still like 10% PUFA I believe, IDK, I just use butter

[Anonymous No.16505283]

>>16505222
trips, but I was replying to consuming something is not equal to using technology to shitpost

[Anonymous No.16505369]

>>16503715
>It's wrong because it's contrary to something I think is right
Well you're pretty dumb

[Anonymous No.16505378]

>>16504644
>we wuz healfy n shiet

[Anonymous No.16505385]

>>16505378
Get the vaccine, chud.

[Anonymous No.16505386]

>>16503784
>Since you're sawing trees out in nature, you don't want a petroleum based lubricant
not my problem

[Anonymous No.16505405]

>>16505385
No thanks incel, too busy doin ur mom

[Anonymous No.16505409]

>>16505405
Then die.

[Anonymous No.16505413]

>>16505385
>>16505409

[Anonymous No.16505435]

>>16505050
>>16505104
The video is needed for a full appreciation of Marie’s delicious sauce made by the namesake chef herself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I2LEB_AxY

[Anonymous No.16505471]

>>16503622
is this the ecofascist meat and dairy thing? I know processing canola particularly involves hexane-sumn?, other seed oils are likely processed chemically, there's sposed-to be something wrong with palm oil too but I don't know what.

and beware this fashy occult stuff it's a dangerous trick.

[Anonymous No.16505472]

/pol/ is pure cancer.
Be the chemo by reporting any and all political threads and posts as off topic.

[Anonymous No.16505477]

>>16503784
this is actually the intended use of seed oils, for lubricating machinery, whale oil works too

[Anonymous No.16505480]

>>16505050
Goddamn I haven't seen this in a while. I still can't believe that anon did a full fucking shot of the oil

[Anonymous No.16505589]

>>16503657
>deodorizers
They don't put them in a dryer with a deoderizer cloth. They blow hot steam through it, if they are in a hurry very hot steam.

In principle deoderization is not a problem at low temp, if it's lower than smoke temperature nothing much happens to the oil. Less than when you fry with it.

[Anonymous No.16505631]

>>16505271
Tallow is 4% PUFA and unless it's super frou frou or DIY, processed the same as processed seed oils.

[Anonymous No.16505675]

No one has a clue what they're talking about, especially here. No one takes the time to pause before hitting enter, or else they would unravel most of the posts they make and have nothing to submit. Which is what I advocate you do; just unravel every single post here.
>>16505631
For instance points out one person being wrong, and that one person being wrong being echoed by half the thread. This thread is full of people who think that because a product came from an animal, it's not processed. Which is wrong.

[Anonymous No.16505705]

>>16505675
>This thread is full of people who think that because a product came from an animal, it's not processed. Which is wrong.
I dont think anybody said that, I was worried about minimizing PUFA's

[Anonymous No.16505748]

>>16505378
Ah yes, there are no fat fuck anti-vaxxers.

[Anonymous No.16505793]

>>16505748
Yes