/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16479683]

I'm considering going vegan for environmental reasons. What should I get next time I get groceries ?

[Anonymous No.16479687]

>>16479683
Nothing.
Grow your own food.

[Anonymous No.16479688]

>>16479683
a bullet

[Anonymous No.16479692]

>>16479683
>for environmental reasons
Did you watch that video that says that cow burps are causing global warming? lmao

[Anonymous No.16479696]

>>16479683
So like, is this image supposed to shock me? Or is it for people who have been conditioned to have an irrational fear of death.
Becauuusee uhh. I'm gonna be slaughtering some animals in like 2 hours, so idk. Environment I guess?

[Anonymous No.16479703]

>>16479683
Cabbage, rice, beans, eggs, bones, peanut butter, farmer's market/seasonable vegetables, canned fruit, dried nuts, crackers...

That's probably the best you can do, and likely the only answer you'll get in this thread.

[Anonymous No.16479719]

>>16479696
I don't mind too much as long as you do it as quickly as possible so the animal never realizes what's happening. Although I do find it a little disturbing that all this machinery and technology is being used to just become more efficient at killing. I'm not afraid of dying but I think maybe if we didn't have to kill so many animals it might not be a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.16479729]

>>16479703
Also, milk and cheese.

Veganism is mental illness. You're telling me that if I love and care for an animal, I can't use it's abundance of milk and eggs? That's how you know you're not talking to a reasonable person, but an extremist.

[Anonymous No.16479733]

>>16479729
I've seen some vegans say they're okay with eating eggs if they come from somebody's pet chicken that isn't going to be slaughtered. But then you have the other ones who say humans should not interfere with animals at all and just leave them to struggle in the wild. I'm curious to see how veganism changes once lab-grown animal products are available in stores.

[Anonymous No.16479734]

>>16479683
Almost nothing from the grocery store. Most of it is a mini environmental disaster. From the mono cropping, to the shipping long distances, to all the still edible food that gets tossed out, to the over use artificial fertilizer that ruin watersheds.

[Anonymous No.16479735]

>>16479696
You type like a fag lol

[Anonymous No.16479737]

>>16479729
WHERE IS YOUR CONSENT CIS SCUM?!?!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.16479742]

>>16479683
I'll actually try to be nice and give a mature response as a change for once on this god forsaken website....

If you're considering going vegan for environmental reasons, consider hunting and fishing and trying to eat wild game or fish you harvest yourself. There are tons of good resources out there. MeatEater for example. In addition to that, you might as well try to start a garden or buy from local farmers markets or farmers as well. Anything organic/home grown/farm raised is infinitely better for your local community, and your body. In my opinion that investment is worth sticking it to these mega corps that factory farm all of our animals and produce. Additionally, hunting and conservation help do more for the environment than any of these whale wars/vegan/whatever bullshit activists do. We actually go out there and identify problems with ecosystems, and harvest our own food, instead of just going to the grocery store and buying soybean burgers from the same fucking people who make the cow sitting right next to them in the meat refrigerator part of Kroger.

Anyway, I would consider getting lots of fruits and veggies. The more natural food you can eat the better. I know a lot of vegans that are eating fucking pop tarts and pretend like they're holier than thou because I eat some Turkey or something

[Anonymous No.16479747]

>>16479733
>>16479729
>>16479737
Lots of animals need human intervention. Cows need to be milked. I think all vegans think all animals live forever as well. Or that farmers don't kill the ones that are trying to get their crops? I don't too many rural vegans. Most of them are city fags who watched one too many documentaries.

>>16479734
basically this

[Anonymous No.16479771]

>>16479742
What a pretentious faggot. Multiple posters in this very thread already gave a mature response to the question yet you're the only one that needed to stroke his own dick while doing it.

[Anonymous No.16479782]

>>16479683
Leafy green veggies, lots of varied colourful vegetables, bananas, frozen fruit and vegetables, tofu, nutritional yeast, plant based milk, peanut butter

[Anonymous No.16479787]

>>16479683
>for environmental reasons.
Such as...

[Anonymous No.16479789]

>>16479734
This anon is right. Becoming vegan won't help much compared to this.

[Anonymous No.16479819]

>>16479735
Women and fags probably type similarly. One thing is for sure, I am less of a fag than you.

[Anonymous No.16479825]

>>16479719
I don't know how you can be surprised with our worship of efficiency and convenience that we have created perfect killing machines.

In order to live, shit is gonna have to die. I think what bothers you is your lack of connection with the death involved in your food. Going vegan is just the technology worshiping consumers way of putting a band aid on an amputation.

Before you go vegan, go visit some small farms and actually talk to them without buzzwords.

[Anonymous No.16479827]

>>16479729
Most vegans are vegans because they don't want to support the industries that abuse animals for said milk and eggs. Most vegans will eat meat, dairy, and other animal products as long as they're local.

[Anonymous No.16479833]

>>16479827
>Most vegans will eat meat
doubt

[Anonymous No.16479841]

>>16479827
Why is it that vegans will claim they know what most vegans are like but seem to have no fucking clue what other vegans are actually like?

[Anonymous No.16479847]

>>16479729
Eggs are produced without human intervention but you do have to hormonally fuck around with cows and goats to keep them lactating year-round.
I eat meat and dairy but I see why vegans get rashy about dairy.

[Anonymous No.16479853]

>>16479847
You can keep cows milking longer just by milking them. Dairy breeds produce a shitload of milk anyways. Your typical jersey on a small homestead (like the only milk cow) will produce 10 gallons of milk per day.

[Anonymous No.16479872]

>>16479771
I didn't expect that to be honest. I figure most people here would talk about microwaving taquitos or yet another McDonalds thread. I rarely ever seen threads with people actually cooking.

>>16479827
>>16479833
>>16479841
>>16479847
Most vegans don't realize that you have to kill animals if you have a farm since they'll try to eat your food. They also don't realize what a lot of 'natural' food looks like. Ever see a banana or apple that we didn't chemically alter? They look totally different.

[Anonymous No.16479881]

>>16479872
>They also don't realize what a lot of 'natural' food looks like. Ever see a banana or apple that we didn't chemically alter? They look totally different.
That's absolutely beside the point.

[Anonymous No.16479887]

>>16479683
a good friend of mine recently decided to become vegetarian.
he's also becoming very "hippy like". he was talking about growing dreads and saying that he thought it would look cool. he bought a glass medallion and wears it everywhere. he wears harem pants almost exclusively.
he just got a new GF who is also a vegetarian and has been telling me about how good DMT is and how i should try it.

i'm not saying this is how you will end up, but there is a chance.

[Anonymous No.16479901]

>>16479683
Look for a helium tank, gas mask, and some rubber tubing.

[Anonymous No.16479923]

>>16479881
It is relevant because most vegans are go with the flow 'blue pilled' watch one documentary and become an expert, holier than thou know it alls who lecture you on why YOU should be vegan and why YOU are evil for eating meat instead of just minding their own fucking business. When I meat vegans I don't care. Eat whatever you want it doesn't effect me at all. The worse part is they claim to be 'pro conservation' and 'pro environment' but then they go after HUNTERS and ANGLERS instead of the people going to McDs or eating factory farmed horse shit.

They don't think critically

They don't shut the fuck up.

They don't know a smidgen of what they think they're an expert on. They think certain methods are evil and wrong, but don't realize basically the exact shit is being done to produce as well as meat.

Its relevant to the point 100% because >>16479734 as this guy said, unless you're 100% organic/home garden/off the grid you're still fucking up the environment and those animals are still dying.

The whole veganism thing just seems to be virtue signaling at a naive level for a lot of people. If people genuinely do not like meat that is a different thing entirely. If they oppose factory farming thats fine with me as well. If they shut the fuck up thats fine, but the problem is they don't. They won't leave me alone. Just leave me alone vegan demons!

[Anonymous No.16479932]

>>16479683
Try out of season fruit and vegetables shipped from across the world.

[Anonymous No.16479933]

>>16479683
avocados and almonds

[Anonymous No.16479939]

>>16479932
Oh and almonds. Definitely eats lots of almonds and avocados.

[Anonymous No.16480008]

>>16479825

>In order to live, shit is gonna have to die

Not him, but we don't need fifty billion people on this planet to where you have to kill (do the math and insert # here) animals to feed this scum species.

And if it's up to humans this would not be true. If it were up to them NO humans would die and twenty thousand people would still be born a day.

figure it out genius. The real bottom line here is humans. Go eat all you want, not even going to tell you to KYS, but do us a fucking favor and don't breed.

[Anonymous No.16480021]

>>16480008
ur so mature and querky for uere age haha we shjould kill all humans :) wanna join me in the van? :)

[Anonymous No.16480025]

>>16480008
I love this meme.

[Anonymous No.16480028]

>>16480021
>>16480025

humans aren't reproducing enough! OH MY GAWD! WTF ARE WE GONNA DO!

[Anonymous No.16480035]

>>16479683
Did you know that plants exhibit biochemical reactions very similar to pain when they're damaged? When one plant is damaged, other plants nearby show a sympathetic response. How long does it take for a plant to truly die? They're not like an animal with a central nervous system that can be instantly and painlessly killed. A plant will continue to feel pain even as it's chopped up into many pieces. How can you live with yourself?

[Anonymous No.16480036]

>>16479742
It isn't mature to type out 2.25 rambling paragraphs of badly researched self justification anon.

[Anonymous No.16480040]

>>16480008
>scum species

And that's the heart of the average vegan. They hate themselves/humans and see us as scum. We're animals too, have a little compassion.

Go tell Africa and Southern Asia to stop popping out so many kids if you really care about overpopulation, because that's where the issue is.

[Anonymous No.16480043]

>>16480028
Clearly the solution is to drop every child in a household born after the first one down a cliff. We're a scum species after all and our lives don't matter because we managed to evolve faster than chimps.

[Anonymous No.16480056]

>>16480043

>confuses don't breed with murder children

nice reading comprehension buddy

[Anonymous No.16480066]

>>16480056
Your posts are too retarded for me to give you a serious response.

[Anonymous No.16480085]

>>16480040
Oh yeah the real big issue is some poor villagers in Africa and Asia. Not the genocidal pedophiles responsible for 90% of emissions and general pollution. Creep faggot.

[Anonymous No.16480099]

Please. Respect yourself and get better bait.

[Anonymous No.16480102]

>>16480085
What do emissions and pollution have to do with overpopulation?

[Anonymous No.16480105]

>>16480043
>We're a scum species after all and our lives don't matter because we managed to evolve faster than chimps

nuclear explosions creating wastelands and oil rig blowouts spewing millions gallons of crude oil into the ocean uncontrollably sure is a sign of evolution

[Anonymous No.16480108]

>>16480036
What is so bad about eating meat from a local farmer or hunting animals as opposed to full blown veganism. Please enlighten me.

[Anonymous No.16480115]

>>16480102
All are related. More of everything = more possibilities = more pollution = more people = more food = more farts = accelerating climate change. Personally I think the earth will heal itself but eventually we will more or less kill each other not by the greenhouse effect bullshit but by contaminating the water supply and the soil and poisoning ourselves. Just my take though.

[Anonymous No.16480120]

>>16480105
Everything in moderation. We evolved our tools way too fast in the last few centuries while regressing in our thinking capabilities.

[Anonymous No.16480134]

>>16479692
It’s farts, and it’s true you moron

[Anonymous No.16480155]

>>16479683
Semen and saliva.

[Anonymous No.16480169]

>>16480134
the simple remedy is for (you) to go suck the farts out of cows before they can be farted

[Anonymous No.16480175]

>>16480169

where's your wife?

[Anonymous No.16480178]

>>16480169
stop stop. I can only get so erect

[Anonymous No.16480180]

>>16480175
>>16480178

[Anonymous No.16480182]

>>16480134
It is mostly burps actually. But that's not where most of the emissions from animal agriculture come from tearing down the forests and growing the food that we feed to the animals that we produce for their flesh.

[Anonymous No.16480186]

>>16480182
Yeah, imagine all that grass that we could be eating!

[Anonymous No.16480213]

>>16480035
this is a retarded thing to say. plants don't have anything analogous to a nervous system, lern u sum bio

[Anonymous No.16480218]

>>16479683
>What should I get next time I get groceries ?
shot

[Anonymous No.16480250]

Every current environmentalist action is just masturbation. Electric cars have a larger impact than used combustion engines due to inefficiencies of the conversion and storing of the electricity combined with the use of fossil fuels in production of the vehicle itself. Electricity that by the way for much of the world is still produced from coal and oil but it's not in your country where it could actually be overseen and regulated so it's not a concern. The soil only has about 40 years left before it's completely depleted and can no longer produce. Alternative methods of agriculture that can make the soil last longer/restore nutrients would require large increases in deforestation or massive depopulation of humanity to be even vaguely feasible. Which makes switching to a plant based diet for environmental reasons nothing but fantasy. If you actually give a shit produce your own food t's possible to do in a studio apartment even so there's really no excuses.

[Anonymous No.16480255]

>>16480120
that's nonsensical

[Anonymous No.16480260]

>>16480255
Think whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.16480437]

>>16479939
use palm as your primary cooking fat too! And make sure to use only thai coconuts and organic rice from southeast asia and india. And don't grow anything yourself.

[Anonymous No.16480447]

>>16480182
Most of the cow farms near me grow their own feed.

[Anonymous No.16480456]

>>16480182
It's actually all the soybeans and almond fields

[Anonymous No.16480463]

>>16479683
Get a dilator for your inevitable sex change operation you fucking queer

[Anonymous No.16480466]

>>16479683
>I'm considering going vegan for environmental reasons.
It's far better for the environment (and your health) to eat an omnivorous diet with well-sourced animal products.

Livestock are an essential part of regenerative agriculture.

[Anonymous No.16480468]

>>16479683
Why do you think meat is bad for the environment?

[Anonymous No.16480474]

>>16479683
5 pounds of bacon

[Anonymous No.16480595]

What a nice bait you got there. /ck/s blood is already cooking.

[Anonymous No.16480600]

>>16480595
blood sausage is good for your heart don't let anyone gaslight you into believing otherwise

[Anonymous No.16480618]

>>16479683
Toilet paper.

[Anonymous No.16481141]

>>16479683
If you really want to reduce you environmental impact food wise, raise chickens, start a garden and take up hunting. >>16479734 Like this anon said, if you're still going to a grocery store you're not really going to reduce your environmental impact. Buying locally produce and meat is good to.

[Anonymous No.16481255]

>vegan
>environmental reasons
unless you're in the tropics with plentiful year round rain you're not having a sustainable year round vegan diet
also don't vegans do dumb shit like not eating honey but will happy make use of bees for pollination for a lot of their crops?
know sure as hell they're not hand pollinating all their crops

[Anonymous No.16481317]

You deciding to go vegan is actually making the planet worse. It doesn't put a dent into the meat industry, and all it does is incentive giant corporations to build even more factories to produce your shitty beyond meat.

[Anonymous No.16481376]

>>16479683
Going vegan is actually worse for the environment and animal welfare due to the larger need for agricultural land that wild animals cannot use to live on
But you don't actually care about animals really do you? But rather the appearance that you do

[Anonymous No.16481385]

>>16479683
A nice juicy steak

[Anonymous No.16481397]

>>16481376
>Buries it 3 inches deep
At least the coyotes and raccoons will get a nice meal

[Anonymous No.16481402]

>>16481376
Damn, that's ice cold. Even the Quran gives you a free pass to eat pork meat if you're literally starving to death.

[Anonymous No.16481422]

>>16479683
>I'm considering going vegan for environmental reasons.
Let me guess, you're one of those hippy trippy retards who thinks we can solve huge energy demands with solar panels and wind turbines.

[Anonymous No.16481432]

>>16479683
I can ALMOST understand why people do this because of the animal abuse, but environmental reasons? Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.16481540]

eat some meat for health reasons
you could eat discarded cuts of meat from butchers, cook them into broth or w/e else.
foodbank donated meat that frozen instead of thrown in the trash
dumpsterdive.
no environmental impact from consuming those meats.

[Anonymous No.16481553]

>>16480102
populations make emissions and pollution
and when you have overpopulations, the pollution and emissions.... overcome

[Anonymous No.16481577]

>>16481376
Lol what’s the point of burying just 1 ham? why does that particular pig need a “burial” versus all the other hams In the store? Did nothing but waste money.

[Anonymous No.16481618]

>>16479683
Just eat bugs dude.

[Anonymous No.16481643]

>>16479683
The substitutes for foods that are usually non-vegan are actually pretty good (as a non vegan myself). I really like those beyond burgers, coconut milk yogurt, and almond milk though. If you're going straight up vegan: 1, make sure you get enough protein. 2, don't be a dick to people who aren't.

[Anonymous No.16481706]

locally grown whole produce, anything prepackaged, 'processed', or imitation meat defeats the entire point
grow as much as you can yourself

[Anonymous No.16481726]

>>16479683
>What should I get next time I get groceries ?
A gallon of bleach and a straw.

[Anonymous No.16481773]

>>16481376
dumb tranny the pig wanted to be cremated.

[Anonymous No.16481879]

>>16479841
I'm not vegan.

[Anonymous No.16481884]

>>16481879
then don't claim you know what they are like. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.16481886]

>>16479683
Lmao he believes in global warming

[Anonymous No.16482172]

>>16481884
But I do. I'm basing what I say off my vegan friend.

[Anonymous No.16482188]

>>16481577
It's not even a whole pig, just a shitty funeral for half his ass.

[Anonymous No.16482197]

>>16479683
If it's for environmental reasons you're fucked either way, anon. People don't bring it up as much as the methane produced by cattle, but current farming techniques are not sustainable either. There's huge issues with soil erosion and the phosphorus cannot keep up with the way produce is being grown even with the advent of fertilizers and organic products without the use of pesticides. Plus we kinda need that phosphorus in those plants we eat to live. This is without mentioning the contamination of sources of water/soil by the use of pesticides and certain pesticides as well as other issues. That shit will catch up to us before we know it.

Currently there's individuals and orgs looking into alternative ways of food production. If you wanna go vegan whatever it's your choice, but if you want to help the environment reading up on the sruff about the phosphorus cycle along with alternate ways of growing produce and spreading info about it might help.

[Anonymous No.16482415]

>>16479734
>still edible food being tossed out
And now for "liability purposes" they don't even give it to me

[Anonymous No.16482443]

daily reminder that us eating meat is the very reason 95% of the population of specific animals even exist, and by eliminating the need to have them you would cause virtual genocide to these species.

everyone going vegan tommorow would almost assuredly result in the death of 24 billion chickens alone.

[Anonymous No.16482458]

I'm vegan because I hate animals. The idea of putting their flesh and secretions into my body makes me want to puke. Filthy fucking critters fuck em all.

[Anonymous No.16482496]

America moment thread

[Anonymous No.16482518]

>>16479683
>for environmental reasons.
That's stupid. By all means, stop eating beef and reduce your meat consumption in general, but if you care about environment, you should focus more on things like preferring local produce over things that are shipped from half a continent away. Veganism is not inherently better for the environment.

[Anonymous No.16482522]

>>16479827
>Most vegans are not vegans
Retard

[Anonymous No.16482545]

>>16482458
this

[Anonymous No.16482546]

>>16479683
>environmental reasons
if you want to save the environment quitting meat isnt the way to go.
soy and almonds do much more damage to the environment than raising livestock does.

If you want to ACTUALLY save the planet, Nuke China instead.
After glassing that whole country, instantly you've
>reduced the world population by 1/3rd
>reduced co2 emissions and pollution by 2/3rds
>reduced world tension by 90% (they're the cause of basically everything going wrong in the world politically right now thanks to them spreading their influence everywhere)

[Anonymous No.16482687]

>>16479683
livestock are grazed on land unfit to grow crops on, they fertilize this land and other food may then be grown on it. Livestock exist within an ecosystem, in terms of greenhouse emissions livestock contribute only 2% of yearly emissions. Many more animals die from pesticide and other methods of pest control to keep them away from those crops we were just talking about.
The whole idea of going vegan for the environment is frankly a scam, and you've been had my man

[Anonymous No.16482705]

>>16479683
A rope for your neck.

[Anonymous No.16482724]

>>16479683
If it's for environmental reasons, you're better off just eating local than cutting animal products entirely; not all vegan products are cruelty free, palm oil for example

[Anonymous No.16482728]

I will now buy 3 times as much meat.
Congrats OP, (You) actually managed to make things worse.

[Vegtripper No.16482804]

This is a really funny thread. You guys really are insecure about your meat eating ways it seems. Anyway let’s get to the major hustle and bustle that seems to keep coming from this thread.


>le cow burps and farts
Yes methane is a gas that cows produce, yet I only see this as one of the lesser evils of the meat industry environmental disasters.


>le veganism is actually worse for the environment, monocrops kill, intensive agriculture!
If you even cared about the environment, which I doubt you do, you would realise that we would need less land to grow crops to feed people than to produce animal feed since animals are so bad at efficiency when it comes to becoming food hence reducing all of those associated evils. And intensive agriculture does far less damage than widespread agriculture could since its produces more food in comparison and therefore less crop land is needed, allowing far more land to be dedicated to natural habitat.

And I do appreciate how you keep going on about how soy is so bad for the environment, when that is one of the major components of animal feed, and is fed to humans in negligible amounts in comparison.

Furthermore, this is discounting the vast amounts of habitat destruction due to grazing land dedication. If it is “useless land” as you purport, grazing vast swathes of cattle over it will cause more destruction and desertification due to how fragile an environment it is, pic related. This grazing on top of their huge water consumption is a package for environmental disaster, discounting how they wreck local species, look up Australian dung beetles. And here in the UK in 90 percent of cases I can affirm it’s on deforested land where cattle graze.


>le buy local meat, it’s local so it’s good!
Factory farming is better for the environment in a morbid way since the animals move about less. And your local suppliers probably look like this anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y_FHhByhBk

[Vegtripper No.16482845]

>>16482804
>hunting
Same hunting culling wolves in Idaho to increase deer numbers (even though they were in some of their highest numbers with the wolves)?

Anyway, deer would practically go extinct in a couple days to cope with the meat demand. Keep making excuses to kill for meat you do not need.


>fishing
Would do less damage dropping all of the USAs nuclear arsenal into the Pacific Ocean than what fishing does and has done.


>veganism is being pushed by big crops, fuck le gubmint
The American government spends $38 billion each year to subsidize the meat and dairy industries, but only 0.04 percent of that (i.e., $17 million) each year to subsidize fruits and vegetables.

I never remember being taught how I got meat on my plate as a child. Moreover, look up ag-gag laws, real insidious stuff.


>now I will eat 3 times more meat just to BTFO you
I’m sure you were already downing 5 steaks a day a day, it will be interesting to see what fails first, your wallet or your health

[Anonymous No.16483077]

>>16479683
>I'm considering going vegan for environmental reasons.
just shoot yourself in the fucking head and become fertilizer if you care about the environment so much

[Anonymous No.16483118]

>>16481376
Cattle ranching takes up even more space you retard. Calorie for calorie meat is on average less efficient than greens.

[Anonymous No.16483119]

>>16482804
>environmental disasters.
Why are you cultists on every board?

[Anonymous No.16483129]

>>16483119
Cause the world Is ending and you fags are too busy sucking your own farts to save it.

[Anonymous No.16483132]

>>16479827
Vegan does not exist.
B12 supplements are made by pharma and are not vegan.
Dairy is not vegan
Egg is not vegan
Even bugs with the same iq as a venus fly trap is not vegan

[Anonymous No.16483560]

>>16482804
>>16482845
Dude. You aren't even vegan. Shut the fuck up until you move out of your moms house and actually abstain from meat you literal child.

[Anonymous No.16483616]

>>16479683
lentils, beans, rice, etc.
copy lots of indian food don't use their spice you properly won't like them. Try to experiment its quite easy. I always make a shitload of falaffel and vada in the oven.

[Anonymous No.16483678]

>>16482804
>Factory farming is better for the environment in a morbid way since the animals move about less.
You living in a tiny box and never walking around outside is better for the environment because you move around less.

[Anonymous No.16484241]

>>16483616
>don't use their spice you properly won't like them
What the fuck is wrong with Indian spices?

[Anonymous No.16484250]

>>16483616
>white vegans don't spice they lentils???

[Anonymous No.16484388]

>>16484241
Some people dislike the smell and the look idk some people are just not used to it so best start without it.

[Anonymous No.16484442]

>>16479683
Read this and realize you've been memed
https://aleph-2020.blogspot.com/2019/06/greenhouse-gas-emissions.html

[Anonymous No.16484619]

>>16482458
Extremely based post

[Anonymous No.16484629]

>>16482546
>blaming china for americas fucked up society
How very american of you

[Anonymous No.16484648]

>>16479683
You should get AIDS.

[Anonymous No.16484677]

>>16484648
>be a net negative for the healthcare system
Fuck yourself you bug chasing piece of shit

[Anonymous No.16484897]

>>16479688
this. OP is a faggot urbanite

[Anonymous No.16485047]

>>16479683
Get a mommy breeding gf and enjoy the gallons of sweet, nourishing milk from her big firm pacifier sized nipples while ur curled up on her huge motherly hips

[Anonymous No.16485721]

>>16479683
Buy the food you usually eat just without the animal products, genius.

[Anonymous No.16486733]

>>16479683
Do you even know if your groceries are ethically sourced? Just because you cut ham out doesn't mean some poor six-year old in Haiti didn't get the shit beat out of him over an underripe strawberry

[Anonymous No.16486743]

>>16479683
>I’m considering going vegan for environmental reasons
If you actually gave two slight fucks about literally anything you would grow your own garden and get some fucking chickens you absolute dipshit. Get some bees too, while you’re at it. Fucking vegans are worse than the scum on the bottom of my shoe after working in a restaurant run by niggers.

[Anonymous No.16486800]

>>16486743
yea, lemme just grow a garden with chickens in my studio apartment

[Anonymous No.16487663]

>>16486800
You only have yourself to blame for volunteering to be a cafo human. You even fucking pay to do it. At least chickens get to live in their battery cages free of charge.

[Vegtripper No.16487676]

>>16483678
I do not support factory farming, hence the term morbid
>>16483560
I do not eat meat

[Anonymous No.16487686]

>>16487676
you live with your mom and you still eat animal products. You are pathetic. You are like 17 and you think you know what is best for the entire world. Go namefag on a website that is more on your level.

[Vegtripper No.16487692]

>>16487686
Seems like false information seeing as I am 18, but go ahead, be angry and stressed

[Anonymous No.16487694]

>>16487692
Keep eating animal products and telling people to do what you aren't even doing. You are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.16488077]

>>16479683
Do you use your car to go shopping, rban fag?

[Anonymous No.16488666]

>>16479747
cows don’t need to be milked you fucking retard. don’t tell me you think they’ll explode if they don’t get milked. research how milk actually works and stop spreading dogshit lies.

anyway op you’re based for going vegan, ignore the bitches trying to tell you otherwise. mushroom sautéed in garlic and soy sauce is good, nobody really talks about it but i find that aubergine can resemble fatty meat in taste and texture if you cook it right. look into indian food.

[Anonymous No.16488673]

>>16479683
>What should I get next time I get groceries ?
necked

[Anonymous No.16488683]

>>16480456
Yeah, if you look into it you’ll find out that most agricultural land used to grow things like soybeans are mostly used to feed cows. Pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.16488698]

>>16488666
dairy cows absolutely need to be milked or else they risk mastitis infection. Dairy breeds of cows can produce up to 14 gallons a day. That's 33,000 calories of milk. At their peak a calf can drink about 3 gallons per day. And even then you put the calf at risk for scours.

>t. has actually researched how milk actually works

[Anonymous No.16488711]

>>16488698
you realise that the cows won’t produce milk if they aren’t forcefully inseminated, right? just don’t get the cow pregnant and it’s not a problem. it’s shocking how dense you retards are.

[Anonymous No.16488714]

>>16488711
How is 33,000 calories a day from an animal that eats grass a problem?

[Anonymous No.16488715]

>>16488711
Then why keep a cow in the first place, anon?

[Anonymous No.16488723]

Nobody cares about your culinary fetish, OP. And that's all it fucking is.

[Anonymous No.16488725]

>>16488723
what is that a deer?

[Anonymous No.16488741]

I don't understand veganism, as a diet?

What's unethical about actually *eating* animal products? It seems irrelevant to me. Surely the issue is economically supporting industrial animal farming, which means veganism in terms of ethics means an economic boycott (i.e. not purchasing these products), and therefore actually eating these products is irrelevant. I see vegans obsessing about omg I ate some milk, or whatever, but that is ethically irrelevant. It's not like an animal is saved or whatever, if you don't drink milk or what have you.

So ethically I don't see the issue with eating your moms cooking, or drinking milk from the work fridge, or having your date pay for your food, or all manner of 'exceptions'. Maybe you eating these things, has some sort of round about marginal effect on demand for the product, which then has some sort of negligble but prehaps not zero effect on the farmer?

But all food supply and production involves harm to animals, and humans (through economic exploitation, or outright slavery, or harm), etc. So it's kind of moot.

Veganism doesn't save animals, all animals are going to die. it's not like if you don't buy a chicken from costco, the farmer releases one into the wild or some shit. Basically in terms of actually helping animals, veganism does nothing. Perhaps in some sort of round about way, through reducing demand for animal products (although one person not buying milk or meat, would make basically no measurable difference, and even if it did the government would just subsidize these industries further..). And what's the actual goal here? reducing the demand for animal products doesn't save animals, but would lead to a reduction in production, so really what you have is a sort of antinatalism but applied to farm animals. Is that what vegans want? But that's not animal 'loving', or advocating for animal welfare, but rather for their death, extinction, annihilation, etc. Is that what vegans want?

[Anonymous No.16488754]

>>16488741
idk this is why I have my own livestock and shit. I don't pay for animals to be raised on farms that are below my personal code of ethics. Anyone can do the same thing without rearing livestock by just idk visiting farms.

[Anonymous No.16488806]

>>16488725
Yeah. Big whitetail. Fun fact: the exit hole in the hide over that gaping hole was about the size of a pencil.

At any event, she was delicious. Venison chili is one of God's own food groups.

[Anonymous No.16489463]

>>16479733
domesticated animals don't exist in the wild, the logic is retarded

[Anonymous No.16490298]

>>16486800
>the best argument vegans have to being environmentally irresponsible is that they choose to live in a building which is environmentally irresponsible
If you want to save the environment so bad but aren’t willing to live your little rat hole with your creature comforts, your only real option is to neck yourself fucking faggot
Git gud

[Anonymous No.16490357]

>>16488806
Based. How many lbs of meat did you get off of him?

[Anonymous No.16490473]

>>16480250
>Electric cars have a larger impact than used combustion engines due to inefficiencies of the conversion and storing of the electricity combined with the use of fossil fuels in production of the vehicle itself.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.16490479]

>>16479683
By all means, go vegan.
Keep The Cannibals Happy!

[Anonymous No.16490528]

>>16490473
You’re retarded. The difference between producing an electric and gas car is negligible except for the battery, which is far worse for the environment. The battery, while electric, still needs to be charged. Unless you live near a nuclear power plant, which most retarded environmentalists fear, you are still using fossil fuels to produce that electricity. What part of this is too hard for your retarded fucking brain to understand?

Literally the only other argument you could produce is solar, wind, or hydroelectric.
>solar
Literally retarded as dick inefficient and also bad for the environment in production
>wind
Potentially useful way to produce electricity but highly dependent on expensive construction costs and, in most cases, ends up being under-utilized due to poor efficiencies and the need for a GIANT BATTERY which is still bad for the environment
>hydroelectric
Yeah, go fuck yourself water systems, we don’t need ecology in the water just in the land and air

So yes, you’re a giant double nigger

[Anonymous No.16490549]

>>16490528
this is why I plan to be a woodshobo like my waifu Agafia

[Anonymous No.16490552]

>>16479683
You really shouldn't unless you actually know something about nutrition and health

[Anonymous No.16490851]

>>16490528
One diesel car burns 3x as much co2 as an electric car powered purely by burning coal. Turns out one giant engine is more efficient than multiple small ones.

I can tell you're an American, so I'll forgive you for being so stupid :)

[Anonymous No.16490860]

>>16490851
>diesel, an atypically powerful engine that doesn’t favor efficiency
>zero source
>whatever source this came from probably cherry-picked results heavily, considering you didn’t even name a vehicle, make, or model
Fuck off retard, science is about questioning things, not blindly accepting whatever bullshit feeds into your confirmation bias and ego.

[Anonymous No.16490863]

What's the vegan endgame? Say everyone stops eating meat, do they want the death of all livestock? Or should they just be sterilized and allowed to live out their lives at the expense of the farmer? Will taxes pay for that? Are they happy with the extinction of all these animals?

[Anonymous No.16490868]

>>16490552
I'm not vegan (just reduced my meat consumption to once a day) but this thread is interesting. The amount of of backlash and coping from someone mentioning they're vegan is ridiculous.

I wonder why, from a psychological perspective, this happens.

[Anonymous No.16490900]

>>16490868
I don't know about psychology but it's one of those things that if someone does something he wants you to do the same. Must be some evolutional shit or something. Group of people who do things the same way works better collectively. Works for vegans too. Or any other thing as well.

[Anonymous No.16491076]

>want to eat more "sustainable" and simply eat less meat from freerange animals
>even doing that sends the message of being a treehugging gigafaggot

vegans only have themselfes to blame. i will eat as much meat as i can :^)

[Anonymous No.16491077]

>>16479688
dubs checked

[Anonymous No.16491208]

>>16479696
That anon's right, you type like a girl from 2013 what the fuck

[Anonymous No.16491213]

>>16479729
You sound very sheltered. If you looked up the ways we actually farm eggs and milk you'd understand why someone who's vegan wouldn't want to eat them. I'm personally fine with the whole thing because I don't mind killing animals, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend I don't understand why vegans dislike it. If you truly agree that killing animals for pleasure is acceptable (I think it is) then why act so insecure, anon?

[Anonymous No.16491225]

>>16479923
I have literally never been lectured by a vegan ever and I dated a god damn vegan. You know what she did? She helped me make fry ups with bacon and sausages. I've had friends who were vegans and literally the "worst" thing they did was aggressively ask me to visit them so they could cook a vegan meal for me and show me how tasty it could be. I've met one (1) angry vegan and even she tried not to sperg out and only let slip some stuff sometimes.

You're an always online piece of shit whose only experience of people, let alone vegans, is from fucking twitter screencaps on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.16491452]

>>16491225
fucking vegans charged me $20 for a small smoothie, next time im going to the chocolate shop next door and getting a $5 milkshake

[Anonymous No.16491482]

>>16491452
Um alright, report back on the chocolate shop I guess

[Anonymous No.16491936]

>>16479683
What should I get next time I get groceries ?
A rope.

[Anonymous No.16492001]

>>16479683
if you want to do it becasue you dont like the conveyer belt suffering of animals thats fine, but dont do it for environmental reasons
it takes around 12 litres of water to grow one almond
the watering of avocado plantations literally leads to earthquakes in brazil

[Anonymous No.16492110]

>>16491452
I tried a vegan chocolate smoothie the other day and it was really good but 20 bucks?

[Anonymous No.16492137]

>>16479932
>>16479939
>>16480085
Autism

[Anonymous No.16492482]

>>16490863
veganism, as a political movement is just a wish wash of varied, sometimes contradictory, but mostly retarded goals. it ranges from efilists, to treehuggers, to those who hate humanity, to raw foodists, to fruitarians, freegans, plant based health gurus, freelee the banana girl shit, to all manner of other retarded shit.

mostly vegans want big animal agriculture to end, but what actually happens to these animals isn't discussed at all. vegans imagine they'll be set free to sanctuaries to live out their happy lives or some shit.

and I'm literally a vegan, but the movement as something with actual political end goals is a complete failure

the biggest issue I see is vegans seem to think the solution to oppressive animal agriculture is to preach everyone else into boycotting these industries. as if a sort of global boycott could even be acheived and the industries would therefore naturally restructure or die out altogether.

a lot of vegans quit because they realize how futile it is. a single person boycotting something literally basically makes zero difference, no animals are saved, nothing changes other than your health getting worse and you spending more on food and more time spend cooking

[Anonymous No.16492523]

>>16480134
You have to be 18+ to post here.

[Anonymous No.16492536]

>>16481402
Vegans worse than muhajideen confirmed

[Anonymous No.16492688]

>>16492482
>efilists, to treehuggers, to those who hate humanity, to raw foodists, to fruitarians, freegans, plant based health gurus, freelee the banana girl shit, to all manner of other retarded shit.

Which one are you?

[Anonymous No.16492917]

A suicide vest. You cannot justify the vegan phenomenon without justifying human extinction. So kill yourself in a massive explosion or admit you cannot commune with nature without conquering it.

[Anonymous No.16493091]

>>16479683
do what a functional person would do and not some american retard
>look at recipies you will eat
>go to store and buy ingredients for those recpies
you dont want to be the person who goes to the store not knowing what they want to buy those people waste half their food and only eat snacks

[Anonymous No.16493139]

>>16479688
heil hitler

[Anonymous No.16493140]

Lot of autism in this thread. I guess it's just endemic to every board on this website.