Just how bad is meat for you?

[Anonymous No.16446612]

Even sources that are not vegan and encourage you to eat meat still have to include the fact that you must limit your meat intake by a lot. The serving size of meat you should safely eat per day is pitiful. And pro-meat nutritionists and health nuts all admit the risks and downsides are all real. Why do we have to eat so little meat? The portion size recommended is fucking with my brain.

[Anonymous No.16446624]

>>16446612
Your ancestors have been eating meat for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. The only evidence of meat causing harm is from weak nutritional epidemiology not actual good quality science (randomized clinical trials).

[Anonymous No.16446626]

>stealth vegan thread
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.16446629]

Timestamp and post your limp wrists, OP.

[Anonymous No.16446632]

>>16446612
I eat grass fed lamb and beef multiple times a week, and 4-5 eggs a day. My local doctor is a fat paki so his opinion on nutrition is literally worthless to me.

[Anonymous No.16446634]

>>16446612
I eat meat every day, need my proteins to stay /fit/, fuck what everyone says.
I'm literally a bio medical researcher and don't trust a single word coming out of retarded anti-meat research papers.
Ancestors did it for millennia and I'm not gonna be the first faggot to stop because "muh poor animals", we are the fucking alpha and I'm gonna act like one, starting by eating the meat of the weak.

[Anonymous No.16446641]

>>16446634
>bio medical
>biomedical
Does most of your research take place on reddit?

[Anonymous No.16446643]

>>16446612
Red and organ meats in particular are the most nutrient dense foods on the planet. Combine that fact with the wide swathes of the populations deficient in vital nutrients best found in animal products.

[Anonymous No.16446647]

>>16446641
nah, I work in an actual lab.

[Anonymous No.16446648]

Not sure about the nutritional health aspects but eating lots of red meat builds up iron and other shit in your blood that your body has no natural way of getting rid of. The buildup should affect you when you hit old age if you eat it all your life.
Eating meat is for menstrators and pussies. Which one are you?
(PSA: If you regularly eat red meat consider donating blood as well to offset the buildup)

[Anonymous No.16446651]

>>16446612
A small amount of meat a day or every other day is healthy. But you should rotate meats, overloading one type can be the worst part of meats. I suggest red one day (lamb), fish one day, chicken one day, just egg and dairy one day, then back to red.
For each it should be about a serving or two, up to maybe 6 if youre working out.
Generally all calories should be coming from whole grains like rice and oats.

[Anonymous No.16446653]

>>16446648
Fack off cunt

[Anonymous No.16446657]

>>16446651
>Generally all calories should be coming from whole grains like rice and oats.
Aaand opinion completely discarded.

[Anonymous No.16446662]

>>16446624
>Your ancestors
That doesn't really mean anything because for all we know they were sicker and were dying at a worse rate than modern people.

>>16446626
I know I have to ignore ad hominems because they're just butthurt faggots but I just want to say I made this thread BECAUSE I want to eat more meat and feel more validated for feeling that way after all the research I read.

>>16446632
>>16446634
>anecdotes
Not saying you're wrong but anecdotes are pretty worthless in a discussion like this because anyone can just say anything. Also dismissing all research is a Flat Earther-type of habit and is usually what a hypocrite does. If you don't believe in research and papers then just throw away everything you learned from textbooks or everything you've been told by anyone who got their info from research.

>fucking alpha
>eat the meat of the week
Anon, you're on 4chan on its cooking image board. You're the least intimidating person on the planet, calm down.

[Anonymous No.16446665]

>>16446647
LMK when you start growing vat meat for public consumption. I want in for the beta testing

[Anonymous No.16446667]

>>16446662
They were dying from infection, parasites, and during childbirth. If yo lived past childhood you would live pretty long and noticeably absent in traditionally living populations are any chronic diseases that are plaguing us today like heart disease, cancer, dementia, diabetes, etc.

[Anonymous No.16446668]

>>16446647
My uncle is a literal doctor and says meat is bad. Nutritionists have said meat is bad. Being in a certain profession doesn't automatically make your opinion right.

[Anonymous No.16446669]

>>16446653
Notice how iron is only "underconsumed" by post-pubescent female?
Your infographic just echoes what I said you illiterate pussy. Absolute pathetic thinking/reading skills.
Stop getting your research from easily-digestible pictures you see on social media. People will only ever mock you for it.

[Anonymous No.16446674]

>>16446668
Well if the nutritionists say it surely they must be right. They've never been wrong before right?

[Anonymous No.16446675]

>>16446634
>need my proteins
>I'm literally a bio medical researcher
Then you're retarded because you don't need protein at all, you need amino acids, and all of them can be found in plants.
>Ancestors did it for millennia
My ancestors raped for millenia, guess what happens to your asshole next.

[Anonymous No.16446679]

>>16446669
And what food product could possibly contain the most bioavailable form of these nutrients I wonder...?

[Anonymous No.16446682]

>>16446657
Unless you're working out that day 4oz of red meat is plenty. On a workout day maybe triple would be acceptable. I hope youre bleeding too with leeches or donating blood though.

[Anonymous No.16446686]

>>16446674
>They've never been wrong before right?
>hurrr how does science work?????

[Anonymous No.16446688]

>>16446634
>>16446647
>nerd who does menial work in a lab
>alpha

[Anonymous No.16446689]

>>16446682
You could live off nothing but meat and be fine. Could you say the same for bread and rice?

[Anonymous No.16446694]

>>16446662
>for all we know they were sicker and were dying
bones say otherwise, the agricultural revolution was a mistake

[Anonymous No.16446695]

>>16446667
Yes they were dying from other things but that doesn't prove meat had no bad effects on them either.

>you would live pretty long if you lived past childhood
Subjective. People often say guys who died at 30/40/even 50 died "too young".

>diseases that are plaguing us today like heart disease, cancer, dementia, diabetes
But scientists actually did find evidence of cancer among our ancestors, look it up. And who's to say they didn't have their own diseases that are even worse than what we have today?

[Anonymous No.16446696]

>>16446679
>most bioavailable
People get fat exactly because it's highly bioavailable and nutrient dense. You eat more and fill your stomach more, then you don't get fat because you're satisfied with less calories.

[Anonymous No.16446697]

>>16446686
>TrUsT tHe sCieNce BrO
You're actually missing the point retard. If you've actually bothered to look into it you'd know there isn't any good quality evidence implicating meat it all comes from weak associational studies that can't show causation.

[Anonymous No.16446698]

>>16446682
>Doesn't work out everyday
>Has the audacity to comment on caloric intake
Put on a wig and dress for us.

[Anonymous No.16446701]

>>16446674
Anon, you might want to reread the post you're replying to if you're looking for a "gotcha" moment. Because I was saying the same thing. Being in a certain profession doesn't mean your opinion is right and experts in the same field often have a lot of disagreements.

[Anonymous No.16446705]

>>16446689
Did I suggest vegan? No you cant live off just grains or just meat. Humans are omnivores. That said our history we had more access to grains shown by McDougall up to 105,000 years ago. So our diet should be like 90% grains, 10% meat. On workout days I could see increasing the meat to like 30%. If youre in ketosis that is not healthy. And yes it will cut your life short.

[Anonymous No.16446707]

>>16446689
Why does that matter? Also, no you can't. You need at least blood, dairy, and organs as well.

[Anonymous No.16446710]

>>16446689
its pretty hard to be nutritionally balanced and get yourself to peak or ideal health, but at the same time its pretty difficult to kill a human through malnutrition, as long as we get some kind of food we seem to hold on even if it means living in suffering

[Anonymous No.16446713]

>>16446696
Yes meat which we've been eating for millions of years all of sudden causes obesity as you can see.

[Anonymous No.16446714]

>>16446698
I obviously meant with weights. If I am biking, walking, or jogging then I dont increase meat intake. If I lift i make sure to eat meat, but only occasionally increase the intake. All the endurance athletes agree carbs are superior for training.

[Anonymous No.16446715]

>>16446697
Never said anything about studies. Just that your argument about them "never being wrong" is nonsense. Most of the things we "know" now is wrong and will be corrected in the future.

[Anonymous No.16446722]

>>16446707
if you have meat(and by the context of his comment youre relying on the meat heavily) then you also have those others items and are consuming them

[Anonymous No.16446726]

>>16446713
Do you run and hunt? No you don't, you shove factory farmed meat in your throat and sit on your ass all day. People never ate this much meat before because factory farming didn't exist. Only the very wealthy could afford it in most societies (no, a nigger tribe that hunts isn't representative of the entire historical population)

[Anonymous No.16446731]

>>16446714
I was just fucking with you anyway. I lift 6 days a week and have for years...I still don't eat (red) meat more than a few times a week. There are a ton of other good proteins out there.

[Anonymous No.16446732]

>>16446722
Stop backtracking, the comment was "only on meat", which isn't true. If it said "only on animal products", then it would be correct.

[Anonymous No.16446734]

With the Bellevue experiments Vilhjalmur Stefansson showed it is possible to eat nothing but meat and be in perfect health. The only time he felt sick was when they made him eat lean meat and not enough fat.

[Anonymous No.16446735]

>>16446665
Not interested, currently doing research on Flesh-eating bacteria strains.
>>16446668
>>16446662
I just place my belief in what I studied and how my body reacted so far to what I've been eating. Most of the research papers demonizing meat are full of biases and influenced by the industry money.
Lots of researchers will publish whatever you want to hear as long as you give them money.
>>16446675
>ancestors raped
Good for them, survival of the strongest.
guess I'm gonna go fuck my gf harder than usual tonight.
>>16446688
checked, but also, suck a penis.

While there are plenty of other sources indeed, lean meat protein will forever be king. Anyone who disagrees is just a faggot.

[Anonymous No.16446739]

>>16446726
>Only the very wealthy could afford it in most societies
This is only true post agricultural revolution. For the other few million years of human evolutionary history we were hunters ad primarily ate meat. But however you need to cope I guess.

[Anonymous No.16446741]

>>16446732
i wasnt that guy, i was just saying if you are eating meat(and are eating for survival, as your comment was suggesting) then you defacto would be eating those other items, your original comment was kinda pointless

[Anonymous No.16446750]

>>16446705
>If youre in ketosis that is not healthy. And yes it will cut your life short.
Is there any evidence of this? And no diabetic ketoacidosis doesn't count its not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.16446761]

>>16446739
yeah nah, we ate mostly foraged items, meat was hard to come by on a daily basis.
its varies from between regions and climates of course, for one part of the year itll be berries, and then small game, and then a migration of caribou come along and they have a successful hunt and use the dried meat and rendered fat to last the winter.
the only people that meat a majority of meat are those that live pretty far into the northern latitudes where non-grass plants have a hard time growing

[Anonymous No.16446805]

>>16446735
>I’m right because I’m right, fuck you dumb pussies! haha >:)

[Anonymous No.16446812]

>>16446735
>lean meat protein will forever be king.
You still don't get it.

[Anonymous No.16446825]

>>16446750
Idk bro. How about evidence fire is hot? Or magnets. How do those work?

[Anonymous No.16446828]

>>16446825
Lol so you have literally zero evidence got it.

[Anonymous No.16446831]

>>16446828
Imagine only arguing with fallacies. Life would be so simple. You show me evidence. Lol wow that was easy.

[Anonymous No.16446834]

>>16446831
"A total of 10 RCTs were identified, fulfilling the inclusion criteria. Interventions were heterogeneous, acute or long term (45–180 d), including adherence to a ketogenic diet, intake of ready-to-consume drinks, medium-chain triglyceride (MCT) powder for drinks preparation, yoghurt enriched with MCTs, MCT capsules, and ketogenic formulas/meals. The use of ketoneurotherapeutics proved effective in improving general cognition using the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale-Cognitive, in interventions of either duration. In addition, long-term ketogenic therapy improved episodic and secondary memory."
https://academic.oup.com/advances/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/advances/nmaa073/5864685?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Not sure how asking for evidence of claims is a "fallacy" but whatever retard.

[Anonymous No.16446846]

>>16446668
Yeah well my uncle works at Nintendo

[Anonymous No.16446848]

>>16446834
It's sad generally only stupid people went into nutrition. You cant see past big meat shilling or more likely you probably are one. Ketogenic diets will kill your blood and if for some reason your heart keeps going and nothing else gets you eventually your kidneys will shut down. But thanks for the random info about a memory loss condition that most people don't get anyway.

[Anonymous No.16446859]

>>16446848
"Ketogenic diets will kill your blood"

What does this even mean? And once again you are providing ZERO evdience for YOUR claims. If you would like I could show you the evidence for these diets reversing diabetes, obesity, epilepsy, and more. But I'm sure those just are rare disease nobody gets right? I'm assuming you're the same McDougallnigger I argue with every week.

[Anonymous No.16446870]

>>16446612
>Every single one of da reputable sources tell me X
That's how you know it's an orchestrated lie. Do you think journalists just get to say whatever they like?

[Anonymous No.16446872]

>>16446859
It makes it sticky and clump. There is no effective way to chelate metals out of blood, yes I realize there are claims, but think critically for a moment, if you chelate while it's in blood youd make an aggregate, which is clearly dangerous. What does that leave? Bleeding. Thats the only way to restore your blood to health, other than kidney functions which again cant excrete it. If youre a premenopausal woman this doesn't apply.
Woah what if all the shit you've heard all your life was right? Bacon causes high cholesterol and high blood pressure. The body struggles to oxygenate its blood. And the blood struggles to deliver to muscle. Theres a reason athletes eat potatoes before the marathon, not chicken and broccoli

[Anonymous No.16446884]

jews REALLY don't want us eating animal products
take that as you will

[Anonymous No.16446887]

>>16446872
>Theres a reason athletes eat potatoes before the marathon, not chicken and broccoli
They have to carb load because they eat high carb diets and that's what their body is adapted to burning. As for the rest of your mumbo jumbo it sounds nice but once again you have zero hard evidence for this actually occurring from meat or high fat diets or whatever you're arguing against.

[Anonymous No.16446896]

>>16446872
Some more real data instead of bloviating from random retards.

"A systematic review and meta-analysis were carried out to study the effects of low-carbohydrate diet (LCD) on weight loss and cardiovascular risk factors (search performed on PubMed, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials and Scopus databases). A total of 23 reports, corresponding to 17 clinical investigations, were identified as meeting the pre-specified criteria. Meta-analysis carried out on data obtained in 1,141 obese patients, showed the LCD to be associated with significant decreases in body weight (-7.04 kg [95% CI -7.20/-6.88]), body mass index (-2.09 kg m(-2) [95% CI -2.15/-2.04]), abdominal circumference (-5.74 cm [95% CI -6.07/-5.41]), systolic blood pressure (-4.81 mm Hg [95% CI -5.33/-4.29]), diastolic blood pressure (-3.10 mm Hg [95% CI -3.45/-2.74]), plasma triglycerides (-29.71 mg dL(-1) [95% CI -31.99/-27.44]), fasting plasma glucose (-1.05 mg dL(-1) [95% CI -1.67/-0.44]), glycated haemoglobin (-0.21% [95% CI -0.24/-0.18]), plasma insulin (-2.24 micro IU mL(-1) [95% CI -2.65/-1.82]) and plasma C-reactive protein, as well as an increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (1.73 mg dL(-1) [95%CI 1.44/2.01])."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22905670/

[Anonymous No.16446901]

>>16446624
And old age in humans has only been 40 years old for millions of years

[Anonymous No.16446905]

>>16446887
>dietician believes in neurochemical receptors invented by alzheimer fake psychology but not basic chemistry
Not surprising. Nutritionists cannot grasp chemistry.
Too bad our bodies are entirely chemistry driven. Biotech is the closet thing to "understanding the human", sadly they've become so twisted their boarding on evil. That said people like me are far more in the know as classically trained analytical chemists than you as a dietician, and notably one who disagrees with almost all other dieticians.
>>16446884
This is not true. Jews love beef, the least environmentally friendly meat. Do not mix up Klaus Schwab philosophy with general Jewish philosophy. Yes Klaus says the environmental impacts of meat wont scale with the population we have even today if everyone ate animal meat, and yes he is correct.
>b b b but then doesn't that make environmentalists the bad guys
No.
>>16446896
I will not be reading a word of copy pasted information. I realize that's your thing as a sheeple, but i prefer to discuss things through my own ideas with others. If I was hear to read anything you chose I wish you'd have chosen little house on the praire, more my style for reading.

[Anonymous No.16446914]

>>16446612
From what I've read. It's mostly red meat you want to limit.
So basically something like one steak a week, or smaller portions throughout.
You can eat more white meat chicken, turkey, fish(be careful of mercury content), etc.

[Anonymous No.16446916]

>>16446905
Ok then I'll put in my own words for you. Ketogenic diets IMPROVE CVD risk factors more than other diets. Improvements in blood pressure, triglycerides and weight. Simple enough for you?

[Anonymous No.16446920]

>>16446914
Wait til you find out about mercury in fish, hormones in dairy, cholesterol in eggs, and processing in ham/bacon.
Generally avoid pork completely. Limit dairy, fish, shellfish, eggs, and beef. Eat as much lamb (yes this is red meat) and chicken as you want.
>>16446916
Not true when compared to a whole food diet mostly grains with some meat. It is far superior. apparently you argue this weekly so im not really in the mood to argue, I live my life and youd be wise to follow my advice

[Anonymous No.16446937]

>>16446920
>Not true when compared to a whole food diet mostly grains with some meat.

If by this you mean a low fat diet then it is false. One if not the largest diet trials has disproven this. But by all means eat however makes you feel best.

[Anonymous No.16446938]

>>16446612
Meat is pretty good for you if you aren't having it in pizza or borgers. I would suggest at least 6-16 ounces a day minimum for an active man man who is in half decent shape. If you are a fat sedentary wage slave maybe cut it down to 4-6. You need less food in general. The global elite organizations telling you to eat less than an ounce a day are kind of shitty and mostly are interested in oppressing the working class. You aren't going to die having a nice steak a once or even a few times a week and are otherwise perfectly healthy (don't drink, smoke, have a healthy bodyweight, don't do hard drugs, etc). Be sure to buy local, talk to farmers. There is something to be said for non implanted beef.

[Anonymous No.16446945]

>>16446905
>>16446916
>>16446920
>I dont trust research
The textbooks you learned from were all sourcing their info from research. Might as well discard everything you know about the human body and the planet just so you can keep being a flat earther. Not saying all research is correct but dismissing all of them without provide any convincing counterarguments (and your own valid credible research) just makes you a schizo conspiracy theorist, and besides every profession, even yours, sources their vital info from research.

Research >>>>>>> personal anecdotes from 4chan neckbeards

There's also the fact that your profession doesn't determine if you're right or wrong about a topic. Experts in the same field often have disagreements. Anecdotes mean nothing because anyone can just say anything.

[Anonymous No.16446946]

>>16446920
>cholesterol in eggs
Haven't studies shown the cholesterol in egg yolks don't effect blood serum cholesterol?

[Anonymous No.16446947]

>>16446916
How do they improve? What's the reason and causation? Why did you left the most important part out you cherrypicker? "however the effects on long-term health are unknown. "
t. different

[Anonymous No.16446961]

>>16446937
No I didn't mean whatever diet youre claiming I meant which fits perfectly with the one study you looked at. Taking fish oil daily is good. Our bodies like lipids. Generally though coconut oil, olive oil, and fish oil are the ones to stick to if youre taking refined oils. Remember even rice has lipids, thats part of why rice is so good. It is balanced.

[Anonymous No.16446967]

>>16446920
>Eat as much lamb
Huh?

[Anonymous No.16446969]

>>16446947
>"however the effects on long-term health are unknown. "

I could say the same for every diet ever. That is in fact the least important part. The important is what they tested in this trial and the results. They might be biased or incorrect but I am just reporting what the clinical trials have shown. The evidence is quite clear that ketogenic diets can reverse diabetes and obesity which are epidemics at the moment and continuing to get worse.

[Anonymous No.16446973]

>>16446945
Never said that. Youre rambling about stuff I never said. Not reading. I am way more of an expert than you. Youre the discredited one for using a fallacy to discredit me.
>>16446946
Generally whole foods are okay. It should again only matter in excess.
>>16446967
It is a much healthier red meat. Maybe not unlimited but if youre unsure what you ate last id almost always go with lamb.

[Anonymous No.16446981]

>>16446973
Why would you say lamb is "healthier" than beef or other red meats? >>16446643 shows that beef is in fact more nutrient dense. Perhaps you have some other criteria I'm not aware of.

[Anonymous No.16446987]

>>16446981
As of right now mostly because it is less injected with chemicals and fed better quality food such as grass. But also it is leaner. Animal fats aren't really needed in our diets.

[Anonymous No.16446991]

>>16446973
You're not discrediting anything because you haven't provided anything of substance that proves your claims. You just dismiss information and run away making passive aggresive comments.

[Anonymous No.16446993]

>>16446981
"Nutrient dense" is a great 2d way to compare foods which in the end has no meaning. Oh wow it has more iron per pound, oh wait I dont need iron

[Anonymous No.16446997]

>>16446987
>fed better quality food such as grass.
You could just get grass fed beef. Feeding all our livestock corn because it is so heavily subsidized could be causing some negative consequences but what might those be?

>But also it is leaner. Animal fats aren't really needed in our diets.
We do require fat but why not animal fats?
inb4 saturated fat bad

[Anonymous No.16446998]

>>16446993
>oh wait I dont need iron
>oh wait I dont need b12
etc etc
Have fun with your stunted children and your own stunted development I guess...

[Anonymous No.16447006]

>>16446945
Why are you replying to me I literally quoted from the studies and this Mongolian is saying its meaningless?

[Anonymous No.16447008]

>>16446991
All you do is appeal to authority fallacy. To me, you're discredited.
>>16446997
Ok but do people get grass fed beef? No
Animal fats are not very complex, like the fat in rice. It is good for your body to break down what you eat rather than eating it in an already refined form.
>>16446998
Im 6 foot tall adult. Thanks though. I said earlier in the thread to eat some meat daily (100g+), but youre claiming I dont get b12. Thats why I dont waste my time with people like you I can tell your clueless.

[Anonymous No.16447010]

>>16446973
How come lamb is healthier than beef?

[Anonymous No.16447016]

>>16447008
>Ok but do people get grass fed beef?
I do.

[Anonymous No.16447026]

>>16447010
its not

[Anonymous No.16447028]

>>16447010
I am not claiming it is insanely better but the treatment of lamb hasn't reached industrial agriculture levels. The beef industry is serving a monstrosity on a plate filled with hormones and essentially processed meat altogether. All these animals have pneumonia. They all live in shit and eat shit.
The best is really to raise your own cattle or lamb then it should be fine either way, only benefit then would be lamb is leaner and easier to chew.

[Anonymous No.16447034]

>>16446688
t. dumb poorfag

[Anonymous No.16447037]

>>16447008
>It is good for your body to break down what you eat rather than eating it in an already refined form.
And how does this apply to animal fats?

[Anonymous No.16447042]

>>16447037
Because they aren't raw

[Anonymous No.16447062]

>>16447028
I am probably gonna get my own beef cattle in a few years, but in the meantime I get it from local farms who rotationally graze and deep bed in the winter (if the animal even goes in a barn in the winter). Even conventionally minded small farmers have told me they found it wasn't worth it to implant the cattle with hormones as it didn't make them grow larger. It was just a waste of money.
If I wanted a really lean animal I'd hunt the deer on my property.

The problem with a lamb is one of them will feed me for a year, where as a cow could feed me for 4 times as long, plus the tallow harvested from it could be the only fat I need for cooking and even industrial uses like soap.

[Anonymous No.16447227]

>>16446612
If you're blood type A, it's actually quite bad for you because you lack the stomach acid to digest it
however, I think it might be okay to eat a mechanically processed meat like burgers, since it requires far less acid to digest

[Anonymous No.16447235]

>>16447227
and of course the other blood types have no issues with it.

ethnic groups who are prone to hemochromatosis might have some issues as well, only if they eat a lot of it (once a week is probably harmless)

[Anonymous No.16447241]

>>16447227
Why does this work?

[Anonymous No.16447244]

>>16447235
A lot of northern folk have blood type A. You do realize those fuckers live off of caribou, whale, and seal meat, right?

[Anonymous No.16447254]

>>16447244
What the hell, I can't tell if they're white or Asian.

[Anonymous No.16447272]

>>16447254
They are neither white or Asian. They are inuit.

[Anonymous No.16447329]

>>16446705
>That said our history we had more access to grains shown by McDougall up to 105,000 years ago. So our diet should be like 90% grains
Wild grains are much smaller and would take a long time to process. I'm not sure if it'd even be feasible to hit your daily calorie needs by manually processing wild grains. It's true that hunter-gatherers ate grain though, but it was in combination with way more than 10% of the diet being meat.

[Anonymous No.16447341]

>>16446705
>McDougall
He is a quack and he clearly is quickly becoming demented. No thank u. You do realized schizophrenia used to be called bread madness, right?

[Anonymous No.16447354]

>>16446612
A lot of recommendations about what to eat are ideological or business related. And perhaps because there isn't enough meat to go around for everyone to primarily subsist off of that. Processed meat does increase your risk of certain cancers, but fresh meat doesn't seem to have any issues associated with it assuming your diet overall is healthy and balanced.

People have eaten meat for a long time without noticing any downsides to it. Bigger issues would probably be obesity, drug use, processed foods, and lack of exercise. By comparison if meat is even an issue at all it would be minor compared to those things. Studies have generally shown that omnivores who exercise and eat properly are the healthiest. Vegetarians can be almost as healthy, but will generally have less muscle mass. Vegans have the lowest muscle mass and highest amount of nutrient deficiencies.

That doesn't meant plant foods are bad either though. Since we're omnivores we seem to do best when eating a combination of both in whatever amount we feel that we need.

[Anonymous No.16447370]

>>16447354
>Processed meat does increase your risk of certain cancers
Just like red meat it has only been associated with increased risk never actually proven in clinical trials. When colorectal cancer was tested in the Polyp Prevention Trial the results were null. The rest of your comment I find very reasonable.

[Anonymous No.16447411]

Whenever someone tries to say animal products are unhealthy, I just always think back to vegetable shortening being marketed as a healthier alternative to lard and it ended up killing so many people that it was going to be made illegal unless they could fix it.

[Anonymous No.16447428]

>>16447329
So get skinny like me and be a peak human. Our ancestors were twigs, not roided up muscle heads who eat 10 lbs of meat a day. I probably don't get 2000 calories a day, who knows. Whole grain diets with other raw foods with some meat and some fats is clearly the best diet. People over complicate stuff when its really that simple.

[Anonymous No.16447482]

>>16446679
What the fuck are you even talking about you illiterate mongoloid?
Go menstruate your way off this board, every single post you make is a confused embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.16447493]

>>16447482
Are you okay friend you seem a little agitated? And yes meat is most nutrient dense food as shown in >>16446643

[Anonymous No.16447500]

>>16446647
>he prides himself in doing academic monkey-work

[Anonymous No.16448123]

>>16447241
No idea, it just does.

>>16447244
most of the Siberian types with A-blood are primarily fishermen. Fish is much easier to digest.
Also sausages and other processed meat are probably fine

[Anonymous No.16448127]

>>16447482
>you illiterate mongoloid?
>calling someone illiterate and high IQ at the same time
do poids really?

[Anonymous No.16448174]

>le meat bad
Pseudo science from incels that collect crystals and think drinking beetroot juice will open their third eye

[Anonymous No.16448176]

>>16447370
>>16447370
>>16447370
>never actually proven in clinical trials
So all the studies saying meat causes cancer were debunked? Care to link your sources? Not saying you're wrong, just genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.16448185]

>>16448176
Care to post those studies that prove meat causes cancer? Are they generational cause and effect studies with control groups or simply associative 'may' 'perhaps' 'could' drivel coming from a biased source as usual?

[Anonymous No.16448208]

>>16448176
>>16448185
>>16448176
>>16448185
also most nutritional "science" is based heavily on survey data (i.e. list what you ate), which is usually crappy data

[Anonymous No.16448211]

>>16448176
Yeah sure I'll clarify. They weren't all "debunked" per se but these studies that claim an increase of risk in say cancer from red meat consumption are observational studies. What that means is that they can only show associations not causation except perhaps in extreme cases link cigarettes and lung cancer where the effect size is huge. We also know that most "associations" 80-100% from observational studies turn out wrong when tested in clinical trials. Here is one such example with colorectal cancer.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11522565/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7730878/

"After polypectomy for adenomatous colorectal polyps, 201 persons were randomized to receive counselling on a diet low in fat (the lesser of 50 g/day or 20% of energy) and high in fibre (50 g/day) (LFHF), or to follow a normal western diet (ND), high in fat and low in fibre. After 12 months of counselling, fat consumption was about 25% of energy in the LFHF group and 33% in the ND group; fibre consumption was 35 g and 16 g respectively. After an average of two years of follow-up, an intention to treat analysis led to a ratio of cumulative incidence rates of 1.2 (95% CL 0.6-2.2) for recurrence of neoplastic polyps, a finding which suggests no significant difference between dietary groups over the period of observation."

[Anonymous No.16448218]

>>16448208
This is also true but we do have some studies where people are kept in hospital wards for significant lengths of time and there is complete control over dietary intake. Although most of those studies also have other shortcomings...

[Anonymous No.16448237]

>>16448211
Here's another paper confirming what I've shown.

>"Adopting a diet that is low in fat and high in fiber, fruits, and vegetables does not influence the risk of recurrence of colorectal adenomas. "
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10770979/

[Anonymous No.16448254]

>>16446612
Meat is the single healthiest food that a human being can consume, BUT you have to not sit on your ass all day and actually do something with the calories. Lift heavy things, raise your heartrate. Improve yourself.

[Anonymous No.16448257]

>>16446662
>That doesn't really mean anything
>evolution isn't a thing because of my vegan diet
>false correlation between high protein source and made up sickness
fuck off with this absolute mouthbreathing faggotry

[Anonymous No.16448267]

>>16448254
Exercise is good but I don't think meat is a problem even if you don't. It maybe becomes an issue when you start eating it with fast food crap like soda, fries, high sugar bread, etc

[Anonymous No.16448278]

>>16448267
That's a significant part of it too, I just harp on exercise because it mitigates the effects of other, actually unhealthy, foods like soy or seed oils.

[Anonymous No.16448321]

>>16446761
Fuckin expert professor eh?

[Anonymous No.16448407]

>>16446612
I eat meat every day, mostly steak and eggs.

[Anonymous No.16448644]

>>16446901
People comfortably lived until 60+ in all ages of history anon.
Average life expectancy is dragged down by infant mortality.

[Anonymous No.16448647]

>>16448644
>there's a 110 year old woman in vietnam right now! people are living to be over 100 these days!

[Anonymous No.16448711]

>>16448647
Length of life is not a measure of quality of life. I would rather die after 60 fulfilling years than 90 empty ones.

[Anonymous No.16448719]

>>16446612
It isn't bad for you at all. There are generally no health risks. The environmental angle is also a lie. Refined carbohydrates (especially refined sugars) and refined seed oils are the health and environmental risks.

[Anonymous No.16448775]

>>16448647
You know they can see the cause of death on a lot of skeletons right? Most of the ones dying at younger ages were from injuries or children dying from disease. Not a whole lot of skeletons of people just dropping dead at 30 without injury.

[Anonymous No.16448812]

>>16448775
Ok, now keep going. You're almost achieving self enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.16449681]

[Anonymous No.16449701]

>>16446651
>Generally all calories should be coming from whole grains like rice and oats.
LITERALLY NO.

[Anonymous No.16449712]

>>16446726
>People never ate this much meat before because factory farming didn't exist.
No, they starved due to a steady diet of grain and roots.
Everyone knew that those who eat meat were healthier in every way.

[Anonymous No.16449724]

>>16446920
Mercury in fish? Just don't eat the top of the food chain and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.16449729]

>>16449712
>Everyone knew that those who eat meat were healthier in every way.
Not really

[Anonymous No.16449735]

>>16446647
Wow a bench jockey. Congrats on your bachelors degree, heard those really get you far these days.

[Anonymous No.16449738]

>>16449729
Lent is different. It's a way to suffer, share the burden, just like Jesus did.

[Anonymous No.16449741]

>>16449738
That's not lent, dipshit catholic.

[Anonymous No.16449751]

>>16449741
What is it? Is it a bunch of American Christians deciding they should eat corn so they stop masturbating?

[Anonymous No.16449770]

>>16449751
Dude, just read the bible and you'd know.

[Anonymous No.16449787]

>>16449770
>just read the bible
I would rather sin with 2D girls.

[Anonymous No.16449923]

>>16446612
If any of it were true Mongolians wouldn't exist, nor Inuits or any group that mostly eats meat.
Humans have eaten meat since they existed, whether through creation or evolution, we're meat eaters, nuff said.

Any bad shit is from preservatives or plastic.

[Anonymous No.16449936]

>>16449923
It would be more accurate to say we are obligate carnivores I'm pretty sure. So we value meat more highly but we can subsist of other food if the environment is such. That being said meat and in particular organ meat is the most nutrient dense food for us in existence yet is quite rare in modern grocers. You can thank the cholesterol con for this.

[Anonymous No.16450043]

>>16448719
This.
The only reason cow farts are even remotely a problem is because of what cows are being fed.
Grass fed cattle don't fart anywhere near as much.

[Anonymous No.16450048]

>>16446612
Meat is essential for you to efficiently uptake vitamins and nutrients from vegatables. Without meat you pretty much become ill over time.

[Anonymous No.16450060]

>>16446612
Meat is not bad for you, genius. We need meat to survive. Too much meat is what's bad for you. This isn't rocket science.

[Anonymous No.16450075]

>>16446901
Except that's a blatant lie by post-enlightenment effeminate faggots who like to look down on the past. There was high infancy mortality, but adults lived to their 60's.

[Anonymous No.16450076]

>>16446695
60 is beying subjective, and that's when people died.

[Anonymous No.16450826]

>>16450075
No they certainly did not.

[Anonymous No.16450837]

I dont think its bad for you at all. People who are likely to eschew meat are also less likely to smoke and more likely to exercize. Therefore any study you see correllating meat consumption to bad health needs to really be taken with a grain of salt.

I dont think its a good idea to be a carnivore but have a salad that is bigger than your steak with a healthy dressing and youre absolutely fine.

[Anonymous No.16450849]

>>16446686

>nutritionists are scientists

KEK. Have you ever met an actual nutritionist? They are fucking retarded women almost all of them and im sure their advice is basically the same thing as weight watchers.

[Anonymous No.16450859]

>>16450849
Couldn't be more true. Both of the "nutritionists" at my gym are deadeyed 20 somethings, and neither is in even decent shape. A fat nutritionist is almost as bad as a fat personal trainer.

[Anonymous No.16451236]

>>16446689
>You could live off nothing but meat
>What is scurvy?

[Anonymous No.16451237]

>>16451236

>what are eskimos

[Anonymous No.16451242]

>>16451237
Eskimos ate plants

[Anonymous No.16451284]

>>16451236
You can get vitamin C from offal though.

[Anonymous No.16451296]

>>16446901
no. for most of humanity you died young or you lived long.

[Anonymous No.16451319]

>>16451236
I've been carnivore for like 2.5 years and have not had one symptom of scurvy, and I rarely if ever consume organ meats

You don't need a bunch of vitamin c if you're not consuming carbs in excess. Processing carbs is one of the main benefits of vitamin c.

RDA recommendations are basically crap

[Anonymous No.16451375]

>>16451319
So you never eat vegetables, or any plants, or any fruits, or drink juice, or take any vitamins or supplements, and you have only exclusively eaten meat for 2.5 years, with zero carbohydrate intake?

[Anonymous No.16451390]

>>16451242
Very rarely most of the year they lived off nothing but whale blubber and seal meat or carribou. We also have experimental evidence showing that you really don't need much vitamin C so long as carbohydrate intake is low. Look into Stefannson's Bellevue experiment if you want to know more.

[Anonymous No.16451400]

>>16446612
You must limit your RED meat consumption. It's a proven carcinogen. Now, poultry and the rest is fine.

[Anonymous No.16451402]

>>16451375
I consume dairy products as well, but yeah. Lots of people eat this way, and I don't recall hearing reports of anyone getting scurvy or scurvy symptoms.

Turns out when you're not on a ship for months end with nothing to eat but stale, moldy ship's biscuit, it's a lot harder to get scurvy.

[Anonymous No.16451448]

I eat meat because the logical conclusion of veganism is machine life. You can’t take death away from life and be left with something organic. We must roll in the muck that we rise from.

[Anonymous No.16451451]

>>16451402
>Lots of people eat this way, and I don't recall hearing reports of anyone getting scurvy or scurvy symptoms.

Really?
https://www.health.com/diets/james-blunt-scurvy