/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16356940]

The eternal question, who does pizza better?

[Anonymous No.16356946]

>>16356940
Gobless Iowa!

[Anonymous No.16356956]

>>16356940
Americans. They have so much variety in their fast food culture that you find something suitable for every taste.

[Anonymous No.16356968]

za is for glutenfreaks, me I'm a bit better and not eating poison

[Anonymous No.16356980]

>>16356940
usa tbqhfam

[Anonymous No.16356992]

>>16356940
American pizza? Italian pizza? I just wanna execute anime posters by firing squad for G-d’s sake!

[Anonymous No.16357027]

umm sweetie actually korea invented pizza

[Anonymous No.16357033]

>>16357027
The only thing ever korea invented was sending their crazy people over here. is some bullshit

[Anonymous No.16357048]

>>16356940
What if they kissed haha

[Anonymous No.16357072]

>>16357033
Vtech just kicked in yo

[Anonymous No.16357085]

>>16357033
he was sane turned insane by a sick society

[Anonymous No.16357088]

>italy
>rigid structure of what constitutes a pizza
>usa
>you can get anything, including what italy does
I feel bad for Wops.

[Anonymous No.16357089]

>>16356992
Anime website

[Anonymous No.16357096]

>>16357089
>minority of boards are for anime content
>a-a-anim-m-m...
Time for your nap.

[Anonymous No.16357119]

>>16357088
without rules society turns to whatever it is you guys have

[Anonymous No.16357126]

>>16357119
A lot of people getting murdered by people who make the rules? Good.

[Anonymous No.16357140]

>>16357126
Days are numbered

You will be replaced mayotard

[Anonymous No.16357146]

>>16357140
They're invading Europe first, Dago.

[Anonymous No.16357147]

>>16357140
and then it will be brasil, just constant misery without end

[Anonymous No.16357151]

>>16357140
Based ketchupchad.

[Anonymous No.16357161]

The eternal answer: those who manage to put cheese® on their dough®.

[Anonymous No.16357194]

>>16357088
This. Dagos freak out over "muh tradition", even though all of their food is imported from the Americas and China, and the meals they consider "traditional" and part of their "heritage" are less than a hundred years old, including pizza. Meanwhile, in America, where we can actually afford more than a couple of slices of cheese and some fucking leaves, pizza is an actual meal. Everything "Italian" has been vastly improved by america.

[Anonymous No.16357211]

>>16356968
Post fizeek.

[Anonymous No.16357219]

>>16357194
So are you saying America is the spice of life?

[Anonymous No.16357226]

>>16357194
Why does it matter where your ingredients come from when you make it better than everyone else on the planet? Real traditional food is shit like fermented fish and stews where they throw whatever shit they can find in it. Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.16357230]

>>16356940

according to david chang unironically the japanese.

[Anonymous No.16357231]

>>16356992
Oke moshe

[Anonymous No.16357237]

Italy, American pizza is so mediocre that even the koreans and swedes are better at it

[Anonymous No.16357334]

>>16357226
Cope all you want, Tony baloney, wops can't do anything right. Food: mogged by every other cuisine. Cars: mogged by Germans and Japs. Military: hasn't won a single war in over a thousand years.

[Anonymous No.16357597]

>>16357089
Go back to /r/anime

[Anonymous No.16357607]

>>16357194
Agreed on the traditional part... But imagine needing 2k calories and half a kilo of fat to consider something a meal.

[Anonymous No.16357646]

>>16356940
I like both. The cool thing about cooking is that you don't have to choose.
You can just make either one whenever you want.

[Anonymous No.16357670]

>>16357096
>plurality of boards are anime/jap culture
It’s time you learn how online communities work, baby zooms.

[Anonymous No.16357678]

>>16356956
USAUSA

[Anonymous No.16357696]

>>16356940
>neither america-chan nor italy-kun serve their pizza with a garlic powder shaker
thank you chef... but objectively, my way is superior.

[Anonymous No.16357729]

>>16356940
>puts balls of cheese and full basil leaves on pizza
do italians really?

[Anonymous No.16357802]

>>16356940
Don't Italians just eat margherita and no other kinds? I'll have to go with America hete

[Anonymous No.16357818]

>>16357096
Every board is an anime board, retard
The boards without "anime" in the title are anime boards with side topics such as food & cooking

[Anonymous No.16357824]

>>16357802
Some eyetalians have told me on here that they do other toppings but it's mostly a gimmick a la 'The American Pizza' which is mostly served to kids.

[Anonymous No.16357834]

>>16356940
It depends. If you want a delicious, simple meal on a warm day, with a chilled white wine while you watch the sun go down over the water, then an Italian margarita pizza is great.
If you're hung over and need 2500 calories worth of bread, meat and cheese to be delivered to you in about half an hour because you drank way too much last night, and you need to replace lost water, salt and nutrients, then an American pizza is ideal. You wouldn't sit there and eat an American pizza at a fancy restaurant, and an Italian Margarita pizza when hung over would probably not be the ideal time to try and enjoy something that takes time and attention to properly savour

[Anonymous No.16357851]

>>16357824
I figured they must have other kinds. I'm from one of the countries bordering Italy and we have plenty of different kinds, though a bit different from American ones

[Anonymous No.16357854]

>>16357088
There are shitloads of different pizza variations in Italy.

[Anonymous No.16357889]

>>16356940
Americans and it's not even a question. When most people around the world think pizza they think American pizza. This isnt even up for debate.

[Anonymous No.16357896]

>>16357226
based take
any food popular before supermarkets was probably eaten out of necessity and gross compared to what we can make today.

[Anonymous No.16357901]

>>16357334
>cars
>mogged by germans
lmao. luxury cars sure but not cars that 90% of people buy.

[Anonymous No.16357905]

>>16357646
Pick a side and be mad and spiteful about it or get the fuck out and go to reddit.

[Anonymous No.16357909]

>>16357834
>takes time and attention to properly savour
why do europeans think this is a good cope?

[Anonymous No.16357931]

>>16356940
Hey buddy, could I get a slice?

[Anonymous No.16357934]

>>16356940
italians by a mile
t.french

[Anonymous No.16357939]

>>16357230
Pizza in tokyo is fucking lit. From the legit margs to the crazy shit like potato mayo. Also pizzala is super heavy.

[Anonymous No.16357952]

Will the Italians let me replace the tomato with barbeque and cover it with beef onions and mushrooms?

[Anonymous No.16357954]

>>16356940
all italian food is literally shit, that's why we americans had to improve it

[Anonymous No.16358013]

>>16357905
Arguing about food online is reddit :^)
You can't kill my cheery disposition because I've mastered warp walking and defeated the cosmic manifestations of your thoughts before you've even had them.

[Anonymous No.16358219]

>>16357818
>this is what tranime discord zoomer a actually believe

You HAVE to go back

[Anonymous No.16358278]

>>16358219

[Anonymous No.16358335]

>>16356940
I'm a yuro that prefers American style pizza, at least making that style of pizza at home. That being said, most American style pizza from places (especially chains like Dominos) is disgusting greasy shit. I prefer the American method and low moisture mozz but the freshness of Italian pizza is also pretty great, think I hit a happy middle with what I make at home.

[Anonymous No.16358346]

i've had both the best and the worst pizza ever in italy. most every place you walk by in a touristy area will serve it because tourists, but some do shit that would never pass even in america, like cut up hotdogs on pizza

[Anonymous No.16358351]

>>16358346
Is there a connection between price and quality? Is the shitty pizza cheaper?

[Anonymous No.16358355]

Italian. The debate is in the amerlard heads, anyone with a grownup palate would prefer good italian pizza all day long
Stick with mcdees and scooters for fat peole america. Leave cuisine to any western europe country

[Anonymous No.16358363]

>>16358351
not really, it just depends on the place. find a place with a wood fired brick oven and there's most likely someone that cares about pizza running it

[Anonymous No.16358375]

>>16356940
The US, because you can get it in a variety of styles.

The Italians do one thing REALLY GOOD, but after a while it's the same fucking thing. Really, the best pizza is US Style but not from the US because they just go fucking stupid with the level of ingredients.
"HAHA WHAT IF WE MADE A PIZZA BUT IT USES A GIANT PEPPERONI AS A BASE WITH A CHEESE SAUCE AND SHAPED CHEESE THAT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TOPPINGS AND WE TOP IT WITH A POUND OF MOZZARELLA AND BACON FLAVORED BACON"

But still, at least that's better than the Italians screaming about the destruction of their culture because someone tried something new, showing us just how Moorish they are by acting like a bunch of Muslims who heard about a woman who drove a car.

[Anonymous No.16358381]

>>16357901
Name some Italian car companies and I'll tell you who actually owns them. It's like the British, desperately pretending their shit isn't owned by Tata Motors.

[Anonymous No.16358406]

>>16358351
it depends on many factors. Neapolitan pizza is better in Napoli (which is the best style technically), but southern italy is poorer than northen italy and things obviously cost less. The same good pizza in naples could be around 4/6 euros in Napoli while in Milan would be 10/12 euros

Then it depends also on what kind of style you like more, some people argue that Roman style pizza is better which is more crunchy and thinner.

Amerilards that talk about the scarce number of styles have never been in Italy or they did the Milano-Firenze-Napoli 1 week trip. There are something like a different style for every region (not all of them) , but the most common one are the Neapolitan and the Roman styles. We also have the NY kinda style, which are what egiptians make in kebab places, they are mostly eaten when drunk or hungry at 2 AM.

In Naples there are some evolution of pizza style in these years, "canotto pizza" (pic), which is trend meant to stay (even more rised dough) and set new pizza standards.

[Anonymous No.16358419]

>>16358381
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, the list goes on

[Anonymous No.16358421]

>>16356940
The US makes better pizza and I say that as someone who hates America

[Anonymous No.16358437]

>>16358351
>>16358406
btw one rule is to never eat near the city center, unless you actually know that place is good. But that holds for any country in the world

[Anonymous No.16358510]

>>16358375
> But still, at least that's better than the Italians screaming about the destruction of their culture because someone tried something new
Tbh italian cuisine is stadily changing and evolving, it just happens that most of the "new" things tried around the world (especially in the US) are plain shit

Carbonara is less than 50 years old, and the cheese used changed later to balance the flavour, new styles of pizza (no new topping) are born less than 5 years ago, we get rid of cream since the '80, Ragu is no more the one coded in the original recipe and so on.
The problem is when the concep of **innovation** is "let's add some shit without any criteria" or "cover this in fused cheddar" or even worse "i like garlic hence galic goes everywhere"
So next time you want to make something new, just don't make something retarded

[Anonymous No.16358532]

>>16357824
you really think there's wops on here? wouldn't they be speaking, italian?
>>16358406
good read mate
>>16356940
italians seem healthier, but americans are sluttier, and i like my pizzas like i like my women. can't say for sure. but left there has bigger titties. so left.

[Anonymous No.16358546]

>CTRL+F
>0 matches Little Caesar's
Plebs

[Anonymous No.16358569]

>>16357851
> I figured they must have other kinds.
By kinds you mean toppings or differend dough styles?

Talking about toppings there are some "standard" pizza aside from margherita. The classic ones are
- margherita
- marinara: (no mozzarella, garlic and oregano)
- capricciosa (ham, artichoke, black olives, white champignons mushrooms)
- tuna and onions
- sausage and turnips (white pizza, in naples)
- seafood (mussel, octopus, squid, prawns. optionally mozzarella)
- bell peppers
- ham (prosciutto cotto) or prosciutto
- diavola (hell's pizza): (spicy salami)
- anchovies
- grilled vegetables (no mozzarella)
- american pizza (in some country "patapizza"): (slices hot dogs, french fries). This is a pizza meant for childs generally

And then every pizzeria does whatever it wants. But these are the one considered standard pizza

[Anonymous No.16358630]

>>16358419
>Alfa Romeo,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis
Stellantis N.V. is a Dutch automotive manufacturer, formed in 2021 on the basis of a 50-50 cross-border merger between the Italian-American[7] conglomerate Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and the French PSA Group.

>The principal activity of Stellantis is the design, development, manufacture and sale of automobiles bearing the Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Mopar, Opel, Peugeot, Ram and Vauxhall brands.

So we just covered Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and Lancia, as well as Fiat and Abarth, two more Italian car manufacturers from your list that goes on.
Lamborghini is owned by Audi, who is owned by Volkswagon.
https://www.mclarenchicago.com/blog/who-owns-lamborghini/#:~:text=Today%2C%20Lamborghini%20is%20owned%20by%20Audi.%20Ownership%20of,changed%20several%20times%20since%20its%20founding%20in%201963.

This also doesn't touch on where these cars are actually made, Volkswagon having come under fire for ties to Uighur forced labour in China.

Ferrari is the only one on your list owned by itself.

[Anonymous No.16358634]

>>16358510
>The problem is when the concep of **innovation** is "let's add some shit without any criteria" or "cover this in fused cheddar" or even worse "i like garlic hence galic goes everywhere"

Yes Luigi, I believe I covered that with a strawmanning of US "ingenuity." But like any Italian, I criticized your country so you just saw red.

[Anonymous No.16358649]

>>16358634
> Yes Luigi, I believe I covered that with a strawmanning of US "ingenuity.
That holds for other countries too. So you agree the change made are shit but you still think americans pizza is better?

> But like any Italian, I criticized your country so you just saw red.
I'm not italian althogh a lived a good amount of my life in italy

[Anonymous No.16358725]

>>16357854
This, I don't get all the memes
>pepperoni doesn't exist in italy
>this tropical fruit makes italians freak out
>burger pizzas are abomniations
No 1st world country is a monolith

[Anonymous No.16358757]

>>16356940
Papa John's is American, so obviously the USA. Papa John's makes one of the best pies I've ever tasted

[Anonymous No.16358930]

>>16356992
you're on an anime site, idiot

[Anonymous No.16358940]

>>16358757
Fuck right off you flyover mutt, you literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.16358944]

>>16358940
>muh flyover muh flyover
you done?

[Anonymous No.16358955]

>>16358940
I've been to Italy, new York, Chicago, and I've had all their best pizzas. And I still love my pjs

[Anonymous No.16359038]

I like fat Argentinian Pizza

[Anonymous No.16359042]

>>16359038
that's a cute slice

[Anonymous No.16359193]

America because we cut it before serving it

[Anonymous No.16359203]

>>16356940
Unironically Connecticut.

[Anonymous No.16359307]

>>16358649
>That holds for other countries too. So you agree the change made are shit but you still think americans pizza is better?

I agree that change CAN be shit, not that it inherently is.

[Fuckyoucaptcha No.16359317]

Anything from the 313 area code.

[Anonymous No.16359343]

>>16356940
obviously the one with bigger booba

[Anonymous No.16359419]

little caesers shits all over italian pizza

[Anonymous No.16359448]

>>16359307
> I agree that change CAN be shit, not that it inherently is.
And no italians ever opposed to good change, it's why it's one of the best cuisine in the world.

If the change happens to be shit like it happens most of the time, or the recipe has a different flavor that can no longer be identifies as strong with the original dish , change the name of the dish

I'm glad finally someone understand that

Name one recipe that americans really improved while mantaining the identity of the dish

[Anonymous No.16359510]

>>16358630
Ferrari was bought by Fiat like fiddy years ago champ

[Anonymous No.16359515]

>>16356992

[Anonymous No.16359525]

>>16356992
reminder of what fuels animu haters

[Anonymous No.16359582]

>>16359525
>phone poster
I'm fine with the anime posters as long as all phone fags get the rope.

[Anonymous No.16359583]

>>16359525
TLDR: Kochshill pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.16359594]

>>16356940
Scanlate please?

[Anonymous No.16360464]

>>16357939
Kyoto had a pretty bomb pizza shop too if you can find it

[Anonymous No.16360466]

>>16359448
Nigger, everyone in this thread is saying an example of exactly what you're looking for - is pizza. Not our fault your brain has been too fried by the grease in your hair to understand or accept that some people use their tongues to taste instead of their great-grandmother's pride.

[Anonymous No.16360487]

>>16360464
The metro area's got 1.5 million people... Do you have an area or intersection?

[Anonymous No.16360491]

>>16357230
>>16357939
No.

[Anonymous No.16360506]

>>16360487
If I can remember the name of the hotel I might be able to find it.

[Anonymous No.16360515]

>>16356940
American pizza is better, Italians use wet mozzarella that makes the pizza soggy if you add too much cheese or any more toppings. Americans use low moisture whole milk mozzarella which leaves the crust more crispy and allows more cheese + toppings. That's also why American pizzas can be made LARGER while Italians are limited to a single serving size, it's all in the cheese moisture

[Anonymous No.16360534]

>>16356940
What’s this weeab bullshit?
Animu is for faggots.

[Anonymous No.16360583]

>>16360515
This is an half lie. Some places on some pizza use (ready to eat) mozzarella. And not only that, on pizza we use fior di latte, mozzarella, mozzarella di bufala and provola.
This tread makes me want to open a tread about almost all of you don't know shit about Italian pizza.

[Anonymous No.16360601]

Everyone knows Brazilians make the best pizza.

[Anonymous No.16360611]

>>16360583
Make a thread about the things we don't know about Italian pizza. The only way the content in this place will get better is if we make better content.

[Anonymous No.16361332]

>>16360601
wow holy shit you're wrong

[Anonymous No.16361385]

>>16360466
>Nigger, everyone in this thread is saying an example of exactly what you're looking for - is pizza
So none?

>Not our fault your brain has been too fried by the grease in your hair
Kek, americans talking about grease while you have cheddar in your arteries

[Anonymous No.16361393]

>>16361332
>being this retarded

Okay kid

[Anonymous No.16361411]

>>16357027
Hello tranny

[Anonymous No.16361452]

>>16361393
now that video rules i take it back

[Anonymous No.16361500]

for all those people complaining about the anime stuff here, it's not anime anymore

[Anonymous No.16361525]

>>16359203
this guy gets it
i've been to new york and italy and neither can compare to new haven

[Anonymous No.16361535]

Americans. More variety, more creativity, Italy just has autism for a specific style of pizza and have refused to ever change and Americans can make it too, authentic Italian pizza really isn't that hard with the right equipment.

[Anonymous No.16361655]

>>16356940
>who does pizza better?

[Anonymous No.16361704]

>>16361535
You're obvious very uninformed because a pizza from Rome isn't remotely what you would consider traditional Margherita

[Anonymous No.16361750]

>>16356940
All pizza is good pizza, but if you're really asking; Argentinians make the best pizza

[Anonymous No.16361769]

These guys

[Anonymous No.16362170]

>>16361385
>bait reply
Hey, at least you can still play pretend on the internet, Josepi.

[Anonymous No.16362197]

>>16356940
Brazil.

[Anonymous No.16362221]

>>16362197
Some of the greatest pizzas of all time come from brazil

[Anonymous No.16362226]

>>16358569
>american pizza (in some country "patapizza"): (slices hot dogs, french fries). This is a pizza meant for childs generally
>The "American" pizza is one no American actually eats and would consider ridiculous
So Italians just seething over burgers like usual?

[Anonymous No.16362280]

>>16362221
That's a lotta cum, bro. Also it doesn't look healthy...

[Anonymous No.16362317]

>>16358346
Never eat in the city centre, I assume that is true not only for Italy

[Anonymous No.16362342]

>>16357089
This limp wristed passive aggressive comment always cracks me up. Like do you think this is a “gotcha” post?

[Anonymous No.16362343]

Why does everybody think only Margherita exists in Italy? I actually almost never eat it, I'd much rather have different toppings every time I have pizza

[Anonymous No.16362436]

>>16362342
Weebs have holes in their brains. Entire sections rotted away by constant exposure to cute girls doing cute things and sad pandas

[Anonymous No.16362441]

Yeah I think it's safe to say >we won this one

[Anonymous No.16363065]

>>16359203
>>16361525
I was told by somebody from Connecticut that my rich suburban town was a food desert because we didn't have a food desert. We have fucking Wegmans. I will literally never believe a single fucking thing from you idiots. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16363069]

>>16356940
The Middle East

[Anonymous No.16363071]

>>16363065
*didn't have a whole foods
had a stroke

[Anonymous No.16363084]

>>16356940
>better
that's subjective, but I personally don't see the point in comparing them, they're very diferent. If I had to choose one... I'd be sad, but probably pick the minced beef bbq pizza

[Anonymous No.16363099]

>>16357230
The pizza in Japan was legitimately some of the worst fucking pizza I have ever had.

[Anonymous No.16363111]

>>16356940
Fundamentally I don't care what you throw on your pizza, but everyone with a brain agrees that wood fired ovens and small pizzarias make the best pizzas, electric or gas ovens and chain restaurants can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.16363133]

>>16358355
>this is what europeans actually believe

[Anonymous No.16363135]

>>16363111
Right in my neighborughood, there is a traditional italian oven, makes shit pizzas, but then there is a industrial oven pizza joint, that makes pizzas that are out of this world

[Anonymous No.16363383]

>>16361500
あっ、ありがとうございます...!

[Anonymous No.16363396]

>>16362441
>Muslim chads dominating the fuck out of Italian betas yet again

History repeats.

[Anonymous No.16363411]

>>16356940
Looking at the eternal debate from a third person perspective, it really does appear as if it will never be resolved.

[Anonymous No.16363481]

>>16359583
>t. underdeveloped amygdala

[Anonymous No.16363486]

>>16362226
>So Italians just seething over burgers like usual?
French fries and hot dogs are an american thing from italian perspective, don't flatter yourself we barely think about you
Judging by the way you clumsily cook italian food, you can let one pass

[Anonymous No.16363499]

>>16362441
Any kebab place in italy does pizza kebab.
It's just not common seeing people over 20 yo eating them

[Anonymous No.16363712]

>>16363133
> this is what the part of the world that counts believe

[Anonymous No.16363858]

>>16356940
Do you like mushrooms on pizza? Aesthetically I do but from memory it's always made the pizza taste like a sock.

[Anonymous No.16363910]

>>16358940
Why would you want to live in nigger infested cities, coastie roastie?

[Anonymous No.16364318]

>>16362197
>>16362221
*pukes in throat*

[Anonymous No.16364337]

>>16357072
nice

[Anonymous No.16364364]

>>16357088
>>you can get anything, including what italy does
Only place in America I've been that has something close to Italian pizza is Pizza Rock in Vegas.

[Anonymous No.16364370]

>>16356940
only Americans think America is even in the conversation

stick to burgers obesefags

[Anonymous No.16364411]

>>16363383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wpUQqmTaVQ

[Anonymous No.16364567]

tokyo or melbourne

[Anonymous No.16364607]

>>16359203
new haven is very good as a new yorker even I have to admit this

[Anonymous No.16364632]

>>16356940
America. Anyone who says otherwise is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.16364717]

>>16360515
It's astounding that you can be so wrong in such a few lines

>American pizza is better,
The most obvious wrong statement

>Italians use wet mozzarella that makes the pizza soggy
It's not "wet" you mongoloid it's "milky", and it's a very good thing since that "wet" has a lot of flavour
Also if you don't explicitly request buffalo mozzarella they use "fiordilatte" which is a low moisture mozzarella like cheese, not the heavily processed shit you put in your amerilard face, you talk about it like using shit mozzarella is a pro.

>if you add too much cheese or any more toppings
That's why they use the right amount.
Americans don't know shit about nuance and basically have the brain of a ape "more = better"

>That's also why American pizzas can be made LARGER while Italians are limited to a single serving size, i
That's wrong. Italian pizza can be made as large as you want. I used to buy family size pizza which has 4/5 servings of american size pizza. Still i don't understand why not being able to make gigantic pizza, even if that was true, constitution a valid argument.

>all in the cheese moisture
It's all in your retarded head. You didn't get 1 thing right yet you still wrote that with such complancency like a true american boy.

[Anonymous No.16365459]

>>16357230
>the country that accepts mayo and canned corn as toppings
No.

[Anonymous No.16365792]

>>16359193
Holy shit this!

[Anonymous No.16365887]

>>16363486
>We barely think about you
I bet most Italians know who the US president is.
Most Americans, myself included, don't know or care if you guys even have a president or a parliament or a king or whatever.

[Anonymous No.16365940]

>>16363712
America?
>>16364370
>mentions America twice in the conversation

[Anonymous No.16366991]

>>16365887
>I bet most Italians know who the US president is.
We knew it was trump, but just because it was the sad copy of Berlusconi. Just another case of American that can't be original

>Most Americans, myself included, don't know
That's redundant, if you are american we assume you don't know

[Anonymous No.16367006]

>>16363910
Because they're retarded.

[Anonymous No.16367030]

>>16356940
Countries don't make food.

[Anonymous No.16367036]

>>16366991
>Berlusconi
Who? No, really. No one but yuros cares to know who that is.

[Anonymous No.16367069]

Do Italians dream about America(n pizza)?

[Anonymous No.16367306]

>>16360515
>That's also why American pizzas can be made LARGER while Italians are limited to a single serving size

Tell me more about your knowledge.

American think their pizza is better because they are American.
Italians think their pizza is better because they are italians.

[Anonymous No.16367341]

>>16357607
You know you don't have to eat the entire pizza, right? As opposed to shitalian pizza, which is poverty tier food that requires a man to eat the whole thing to be even slightly satiated. A couple of slices of American pizza should fill most stomachs.

[Anonymous No.16367357]

>>16357140
i like mayotard on my sandwiches

[Anonymous No.16367365]

>>16356940
obviously Italy. ive been to italy and their averag pizza outshines every non italian "pizza" i have had since. that is my subjective and highly biased OPINION tho, not a fact :^)

[Anonymous No.16367373]

>>16365459
>he doesnt eat fries with mayo and raw onions ontop
uts like youre not even trying to be dutch in a dutchmans world. get with the times old man

[Anonymous No.16367402]

>>16359448
Massimo Bottura, an Italian born and bred, got and still gets enormous amounts of shit for trying to do different things with Italian food. You "people" literally seethe if someone uses something other than pig cheeks when they make carbonara, screaming about muh tradition even though carbonara is less than a hundred years old. You "people" are extremely, autistically resistant to change.

[Anonymous No.16367405]

>>16367373
I was specifically talking about pizza toppings

[Anonymous No.16367409]

>>16367365
But is it Sicilian, Neapolitan, Roman, Venetian, or Milanese pizza that's best?

[Anonymous No.16367499]

>>16367409
Everyone has different taste.
Napoli has a small pizza, puffy dough and edge.
Roma can do Napoli style but has also a version that's bigger and crunchy (you can notice the edge of the pizza if is puffy or flat). They do this because in Roma they have two style of focaccia: normal (puffy, 1cm tall) and scrocchiarella (flat and crunchy).
Not an expert in other part of Italy, but since Milano is a global town (TV, dresses, and other expensive shit) has original neapolitan pizza. The joke is that Milano has the freshest fish of Italy.
Side note, the original pizza is cooked in a stone oven, in most part Italy they use an electric one(imagine bbq vs home stove). Ofc also in Napoli elec oven is used, but it's like mc donald, is cheep and so it's everywhere.

[Anonymous No.16367526]

>>16367402
>Massimo Bottura, an Italian born and bred
We don't care if he's Italian or not, we're no obsessed by nationality like mutts.

bottura is extremely appreciated in italy what the fuck are you talking about?
They don't teach to talk about something if you actually know the subject in America? It's something I noticed in general population

Bottura gets shit when he does shitty things, he's a chef, not a nuclear physicist
If you want a fair comparison, none shit on Cannavacciuolo, Oldani or Barbieri.

Carlo Cracco get shitted on because his gourmet margherita which was ridiculous

>You "people" are extremely, autistically resistant to change.
Italian cuisine change constantly over the years, you not knowing it or being able to recognize when a change is good is a problem of yours

>You "people" literally seethe if someone uses something other than pig cheeks when they make carbonara, screaming about muh tradition
Because guanciale is perfect for that recipe and if you had half of palate you would recognize it you cretin
Guanciale is a pill of sweet and salty grease that melts in your mouth, and it's perfect to cut the flatness of the egg and cheese salt

[Anonymous No.16367540]

>>16367526
>We don't care if he's Italian or not, we're no obsessed by nationality like mutts.
smirking anime girl.jpg

[Anonymous No.16367551]

>>16367409
I forgot:
It's also a matter of ingredients. Buffalo mozzarella, mozzarella and fiordilatte are a product of Napoli region. You can import them (as Milano do) but the average pizza in Napoli has access to great ingredients. Most don't and if they have are older because of import time, very few pay an express delivery for mozzarella.
Now, the reality is that the dough is the MC of the pizza (like rice in sushi). Everyone can do a great pizza dough in theory, but almost nobody will, because you need to levitate it for 24h. And time is money. Not even in Napoli everyone has a great dough, and for a buongustaio(like me lol) there are 7-8 places where you can eat a 'good pizza' in the whole city.

[Anonymous No.16367585]

>>16367402
>You "people" literally seethe if someone uses something other than pig cheeks when they make carbonara, screaming about muh tradition

Nah dude. In Italy cuisine is poor from its inception. We have l'arte d'arranggiarsi(do it with what you have).
Carbonara ok? You have eggs but no guanciale and no pecorino. Fuck it, we do it with parmisan and leftover sausage from yesterday's dinner. NOBODY in Italy won't tell you anything about that. The problem is if you pick up your custom made and try to pass it for the 'original'. Then EVERYBODY will have a problem with you.
In the 80s new cuisine started adding cream to the recipe, and throwing away the egg white. Ok, thats a 'revisitation', don't pass it for the original.

[Anonymous No.16367628]

>>16367409
It depends on the quality of the pizza and your taste obviously

Italian are divided between Neapolitan and Roman, which are "officially" considered the pizza of italy

If you like wet, chewy dough with soft airy crust you will like Neapolitan pizza more. If instead you like a more crunchy and dry dough, go for roman

The other regions do technically their pizza but they can be a hybrid.
For example Sfincione in Sicily is god tier even if it's not really a pizza, the same is pizza in Tuscany cooked in the "teglia"

But i suggest you to eat pizza napoletana in Neaples (in good pizzeria like Sorbillo, Starita, Franco Pepe, 50 kalo'') and Roman pizza in Rome.

In the other region, try what's typical there

[Anonymous No.16367653]

>>16367540
Only in America you hear something like "my great great great grandparents were Cherokee so I'm also Cherokee", the same with Italian grandfather or any other nationality
It's like people are ashamed to be called americans

[Anonymous No.16367663]

>>16367526
Bottura goes on and on in any documentary about him about how all of Italy hated him at first, just because he didn't do things the same way your nonna did. You only claim him now because he's proven to be the only decent chef to come out of Italy.
Guanciale isn't a normal cut of meat that people can easily and affordably get here, so people, mostly Italian immigrants desu, use bacon, and then shitalians scream and cry and stamp their feet about it, like you're doing right now. This whole thread, and honestly, any thread even slightly critical about Italian food, is proof positive that you wops are all autistic temper tantrum having toddlers.
And the food isn't even that good.

[Anonymous No.16367670]

>>16367585
Nobody ever passes it for the original, though, they're just a recipe that they use, only to have wops throw a fit over muh tradition for a dish that couldn't possibly ever be considered traditional, at least not for another century or so.

[Anonymous No.16367680]

>>16359419
that looks revolting.

[Anonymous No.16367706]

>>16367628
Lol, un collega sotto casa. Se giochi pure a Strive è finita

[Anonymous No.16367740]

>>16367663
>Bottura goes on and on in any documentary about him about how all of Italy hated him at first, just because he didn't do things the same way your nonna did.
If it was in a documentary then it was true for sure.

Dude, Gualtiero Marchesi was making open ravioli and gold in Milanese rice before bottura was even in his father ballsack. I don't know why and who precisely hated him but high end cuisine was a thing way before bottura.
It's not surely because "he didn't make like his grandmother did" you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.16367742]

>>16359419
American pizza everyone

[Anonymous No.16367783]

>>16367706
No, non sono di Napoli. Sono solo un appassionato di pizza napoletana

[Anonymous No.16367788]

>tranime

[Anonymous No.16367795]

>>16367653
I just thought it was funny that you said Shitalians don't obsess over nationality while bemoaning and obsessing "mutts"/Americans in the same breath.

[Anonymous No.16367811]

>>16367409
oroginal anon again. o fell in love woth the Roman pizza desu. shits outerworldly cash

[Anonymous No.16367814]

>>16367783
Well shit i nomi che hai messo in campo sono da applausi. Ti consiglio 'la notizia' in via Caravaggio, se non l'hai già provata.

[Anonymous No.16368412]

>>16367663
>only decent chef to come out of Italy.
>Italy is the third most starred country

American education?

[Anonymous No.16369080]

>>16357089
>>16358930
this

[Anonymous No.16369088]

Italy handles criticism like they handle a world war.

[Anonymous No.16369267]

>>16356968
Ah fuck you forgot your meds again

[Anonymous No.16369295]

>>16369088
>Italy handles criticism like they handle a world war.

Things could have gone very differently, had they gotten a star or blue shell. *sigh* Wa-hoooo...

[Anonymous No.16369383]

>>16359525
cute aggression doesn't lead to actual aggression you moron. this is deranged cope

[Anonymous No.16369412]

>>16356940
for me, its the lowkey NJ pizza shops that do it best. the only thing good about this state