dude just eat this lab-produced monstrosity lol

[Anonymous No.15696894]

Why don't Americans just eat chickpea and lentils? Making delicious veg dishes isn't difficult nor labor intensive.

[Anonymous No.15696900]

the impossible burger is just better

[Anonymous No.15696902]

>>15696894
Fixation with making non meat taste like meat

[Anonymous No.15696903]

> Why don't Americans just shit in the streets? Making poo in public isn't difficult nor labor intensive.

[Anonymous No.15696907]

>>15696894
Nutjob vegans just want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Anonymous No.15696910]

Sometimes I just want something that tastes like meat
Sorry I’m not a perfect vegetarian or vegan like you

[Anonymous No.15696916]

>>15696907
this post smells like receded hairline

[Anonymous No.15696919]

I eat meat but I have to tell vegetarians when they come over that I WILL make them delicious and satisfying vegetarian meals otherwise they bring this processed shit over. I don't even feel comfortable composting this trash. I feel like it will poison my crops.

[Anonymous No.15696930]

>>15696894
I've cooked impossible burgers before. They don't look and don't taste like real burgers, but they aren't bad. Just season them like you would a normal burger and they're fine.
>Why don't Americans just eat chickpea and lentils?
Stuff like impossible burgers originate from vegetarians and vegans, who definitely do eat chickpeas and lentils. Thing is, it gets boring eating veggies prepared the same way, and you eventually do get cravings for meat, or you just want to be able to eat a "burger" with your non-vegetarian friend. Bunch of reasons for why veggie burgers exist.

[Anonymous No.15696933]

>>15696919
I honestly preferred it to normal burgers even before I went vegetarian. I don’t feel like crap for an hour after I eat them.
Cooking actual meals for us is very nice though, thank you.

[Anonymous No.15696935]

>>15696907
Believe it or not, the target market for the Impossible burger comprises a lot of nonvegans. I myself am vegan and also a marketer, so I follow Impossible's communications pretty closely because I think the whole 'flexitarian' thing is interesting.

On one hand, I'm glad that there's a product out there that is encouraging more people to eat less meat, and it is kinda nice to have something that tastes pretty convincingly like a real burger, but on the other hand, I'm not crazy about how all these super-processed products are becoming the flagship for vegan foods. I like the Impossible burger, but it seems like most of the restaurants that used to have really delicious housemade veggie burgers are switching to Impossible because it sells better, and I just miss being able eat a tasty sweet potato or black bean burger.

[Anonymous No.15696938]

>>15696919
Imagine being scared of buzzwords like "processed."

[Anonymous No.15696951]

>>15696935
>black bean burger
Black bean burgers are so fucking awesome. And you're right, it kind of sucks that impossible burgers are taking over when they're just kind of underwhelming imitations rather than awesome alternatives.

[Anonymous No.15696957]

>>15696902
>>15696907
What else are you supposed to do if you like meat but aren't edgy enough to let animals suffer just for your own pleasure?

[Anonymous No.15696969]

>>15696935
>also a marketer
Kys

[Anonymous No.15696978]

>>15696938
if I cant make it from scratch then it's processed shit. It also smells like cat food.

[Anonymous No.15696987]

>>15696957
>Suffering

There is no law that humans have to eat an animal alive ass first in order to get meat.

Death and suffering are 2 different things, and no one gets out of here alive.

[Anonymous No.15696991]

>>15696894
Why not eat real meat? It' s not difficult to find meat from a farm where animals are raised with respect.

[Anonymous No.15696997]

>>15696991
Because they buy into propaganda that you can ONLY get factory farmed meat and it's literally impossible to support small farms.

By continuing to cling to processed foods and supermarkets they only encourage further consolidation of livestock.

it's sad, really.

[Anonymous No.15696999]

>>15696978
>if I cant make it from scratch then it's processed shit.
You can't make a cake from scratch. Hell, you can't even bake bread from scratch. What a retard.

[Anonymous No.15697005]

>>15696999
Yes you can.

[Anonymous No.15697010]

>>15696978
>if I cant make it from scratch
https://www.thespruceeats.com/homemade-impossible-burger-4801190
Literally the first google search result.

[Anonymous No.15697013]

>>15696987
Sure, death and suffering are indeed not the same thing. But there's a difference between dying and having your entire species systematically bred and slaughtered solely for the pleasure of another species. Especially when most factory farms exist primarily for cost cutting/profit growth for multibillion dollar food corporations. Not to mention the outsized environmental impact that animal agriculture has compared to plant agriculture.

>>15696951
The place down the street from me used to have the most incredible sweet potato/black bean burger. They actually still might have it, I just moved a few years ago and all the restaurants in my new area just want me to play 17 dollars for an impossible burger instead

[Anonymous No.15697017]

>>15697005
Then why can't you make an impossible burger from scratch? It's not hard, you fucking clown. Nah, you're full of shit and probably can't even toast bread.

[Anonymous No.15697024]

>>15697010
Yes but nobody brings an impossible burger over from scratch. They bring the prepackaged shit that smells like cat food.

[Anonymous No.15697030]

>>15696991
>>15696997
To be fair, small farms can not supply enough meat for the entire population and use more resources like land, water and often feed. The problem is not esting meat, the problem is overpopulation.

[Anonymous No.15697032]

>>15697024
>If I can't make it from scratch
But you can if you can actually cook. By saying you can't make it from scratch, you're just saying you're a dumbass who can't cook, and now you're shifting goalposts. Is every piece of food you eat something you make from scratch? Do you farm it all yourself too? Fucking hell, you're just a retard scared of words like "processed" because you never stop to think about anything. Use your fucking brain and stop posting.

[Anonymous No.15697035]

>>15697030
You have no idea how much food is wasted from large farms and unnecessary regulation, do you?

[Anonymous No.15697041]

>>15697032

Why would I make a fucking impossible burger when I have quiche, biscuits, cheesecake, along with salad and potatoes for my vegetarian guests?

[Anonymous No.15697042]

>>15697024
>Yes but nobody brings an impossible burger over from scratch.
I've made impossible burgers from scratch. They're not hard to make and are pretty much the same as the stuff you buy. I don't see the problem with buying one. Not everyone wants to spend their time making every meal from scratch, and it's kind of pointless to make everything you eat from scratch anyway.

[Anonymous No.15697050]

>>15697041
Goalposts shifted yet again.
>I can't make it from scratch!
>Well, I could, but nobody does!
>Why would I make it from scratch?
Goddamn dude just take an L.

[Anonymous No.15697051]

>>15697030
>The problem is overpopulation
I don't know if I agree with that, considering the absolutely insane amount of food waste that occurs in the US. The problem is capitalism. We could very easily produce enough food for the entire world using existing agricultural land, but that's not as profitable for shareholders/executives so it doesn't happen. I can't remember the exact stat but an unbelievably high percentage of the corn grown in the US goes into animal feed, if the government chose to subsidize a wider variety of crops that land could be used to produce food so much more efficiently than it currently is.

[Anonymous No.15697055]

>>15696987
>Death and suffering are 2 different things
Yeah and I'm talking about the suffering of the animal, not the death. Animals that become cheap meat have terrible lives

[Anonymous No.15697065]

>>15697017
Wow when/if you ever go to someone's home for a meal and they cater to your diet is this how you respond,

>"This is nice that you made a homemade 3 course meal for me with snacks, but where is my fake prepackaged animal products?!?"

I'm sure your hosts are thrilled to entertain you.

[Anonymous No.15697067]

>>15697030
>The problem is not esting meat, the problem is overpopulation
So until we can decrease the population, eating meat will be a problem.

[Anonymous No.15697072]

>>15697065
I'm not the guy you were arguing with but I have completely lost track of what this conversation was about.

>>15697055
Well said, anon.

[Anonymous No.15697080]

>>15696969
A cool and reasonable reaction to an otherwise bland and inoffensive comment

[Anonymous No.15697082]

>>15697055
That's why you carefully source your food... all of it.

One well sourced pig from a small farm can feed you for a year. A well sourced cow can feed you for 2 years. It's really not that hard, but people want their "cheap" tendies and want to live in a soul crushing office job that requires you sit in traffic for 2 hours a day instead of god forbid getting sunlight.

The atrocities of factory farmed livestock is just the tip of the corruption iceberg. Look close enough at these animals and you will see a typical city dwelling wage slave person reflected in each one of those miserable animals.

[Anonymous No.15697085]

>>15697080
Hey listen here buddy, my comment wasn't bland, I'll show you bland and inoffensive you son of a bitch

[Anonymous No.15697086]

>>15697072
I said I didn't like impossible burger and it triggered an autistic temper tantrum.

[Anonymous No.15697092]

>>15697072
>I'm not the guy you were arguing with but I have completely lost track of what this conversation was about.
He keeps shifting the goalposts. It was originally about him being scared because impossible burgers are "processed," and he defines "processed" as being "something he can't cook from scratch" even though there are numerous recipes online for how to make an impossible burger from scratch and he's basically just saying he can't cook. Now he's trying to make some strawman about being a guest at someone's house because he wants to "win" this conversation so bad that it doesn't matter to him what he argues, as long as he eventually is "right." Hence why I'm not replying to that dumbass any more. He can get his (You)s from somebody else.

[Anonymous No.15697093]

>>15696957
>>15697055
fags like you don't deserve meat. like fucking investigate where you can get more ethically raised animals or start hunting or something. not that hard, just do it. or don't and waa waa whine more like the pussy ass wimps you are.

[Anonymous No.15697102]

>>15697092

[Anonymous No.15697104]

>>15697082
I agree that factory farming is a product of the same late/shareholder capitalist forces responsible for some of the other factors you're talking about, like shitty wages/the 40 hour week/etc.

[Anonymous No.15697109]

>>15697035
>>15697051
>>15697067
My point is not that we can not feed the population at the time, or even that we cannot feed them meat. But having everyone eat small scale (organic) farm meat is not really feasable, because it is more resource(mainly land) intensive

[Anonymous No.15697118]

>>15697109
You know what's land intensive? Having one Bill Gates. He requires over 250,000 acres of farmland. Just look it up.

[Anonymous No.15697120]

>>15697118
Yes and?

[Anonymous No.15697123]

>>15697118
And yet he's the guy who wants you to eat bugs and live in a cubicle so he can keep living his "normal" life.

[Anonymous No.15697124]

>>15697109
We also have 50 million acres of lawns.

[Anonymous No.15697138]

>>15697109
>but having everyone eat small scale (organic) farm meat is not really feasible
You're correct, and that is why the solution is not organic meat, but less meat. Many people right now eat meat for nearly every meal, which is the part that isn't sustainable. I'm not saying people need to cut meat from their diets entirely, or that it's immoral to eat animals, but it will require a major shift in how the global economy works and a significant reduction in animal product intake. What I was trying to communicate in my earlier post is that the land that we currently use for crops to sustain animal agriculture should be diversified with crops that better support human life. So a wider range of vegetables and grains instead of just like, all corn and soy.

[Anonymous No.15697141]

>>15697120
I don't know what else to tell you. Just sit in your... what..... 1/100th of an acre piece of indoor sunless vertical land that doesn't even belong to you and eat your trash that you have no connection to.

[Anonymous No.15697149]

>>15697124
In all fairness that's less than 2% of America. 40% of America is used for agriculture. America also produces more than enough food to feed its entire nation.

[Anonymous No.15697156]

>>15696894
reminder that fake meat is meant as transitional food, not as part of a staple of an established plant-based diet (despite what the narrative is starting to force/big corporations want)

I view it as fast food and avoid it accordingly

[Anonymous No.15697171]

>>15697149
So imagine if people used their lawns to grow their own food? Instead of grass monocultures they composted kitchen scraps for fertilizer and had a small vegetable garden and a few fruit bushes/trees?

Wouldn't that also reduce the land needed for large scale agriculture? Add some backyard chickens to the mix and you also reduce the demand for eggs, shit, in the countryside where it's more spaced out you can even have hogs and poultry meat.

And wouldn't it be better if Americans relied less on imports, seeing as we have more than enough food to feed ourselves, wouldn't that also provide more food for countries that are food insecure that are shipping off their native foods to developed countries that have no issues feeding themselves?

[Anonymous No.15697213]

>>15697171
>So imagine if people used their lawns to grow their own food?
They wouldn't be able to grow shit because the ground isn't suitable for agriculture, not to mention things like power lines and water lines running under the ground that should make you wary of trying to till the land, and then whatever chemicals are in the soil. Not saying you can't have a nice little garden for yourself, it's definitely doable, but you aren't going to be able to use the soil in your lawn for that kind of thing.
At any rate, what's the point? The US already produces more than enough food. The US is one of the world's top producers of food. It's literally only slightly behind China despite China having way more people. US exports of food are practically everywhere on this planet. What do you mean the US needs to make more food?

[Anonymous No.15697228]

This is my least favourite thread on /ck/
You ever tried getting 50g protein a day on whole chickpeas and lentils? Unless you eat like a gorilla, it's hell.

[Anonymous No.15697239]

>>15697228
What's your favorite thread right now?

[Anonymous No.15697245]

>>15697239
Probably the evergreen english breakfast one

[Anonymous No.15697251]

>>15697213
I never said you should till. I advocate composting as it will not damage the soil (it will do the exact opposite)

And while we do have enough food, we produce too much, and the way we produce a lot of it is unsustainable. Every little bit helps, and you would be surprised what a small amount of land can do to feed people.

I never said the US needs to make more food, but it needs to be more sovereign about it. Way too many people are completely dependent on supermarkets year round for all of their food, when its so easy to grow certain crops.

We are all over the place. One person will say we can't feed the world, another will say we produce too much food. It's a mess. I'm just taking care of myself as best I can. The rest of you can be screeching monkeys. I'm just going to do my thing.

[Anonymous No.15697343]

>>15697251
>I never said you should till. I advocate composting as it will not damage the soil (it will do the exact opposite)
You said "Instead of grass monocultures they composted kitchen scraps for fertilizer and had a small vegetable garden and a few fruit bushes/trees?" which implies tilling their yards and using the soil to produce food, which I told you was a bad idea for multiple reasons: the land itself isn't going to support much even if you compost the hell out of it, power lines exist, water lines exist, chemicals in the ground exist, and you'd also be attracting all sorts of insects and vermin to your neighborhood that you and your neighbors would then have to deal with.
And what's the payoff? Your ultra-efficiency is pointless when America produces more food than its fat ass can consume. "Every little bit" doesn't help. Composting is only really good for reducing food waste, and honestly, there's better ways to reduce food waste. Korea, for example, turns food waste into animal feed through a recycling system. 95% of their food waste gets recycled. This helps them reduce their dependency on growing crops to be used as feed. Composting, by comparison, is a pointless waste of time. You're not going to be Farmer Joe in your backyard.
>I never said the US needs to make more food, but it needs to be more sovereign about it.
Why?
>Way too many people are completely dependent on supermarkets year round for all of their food, when its so easy to grow certain crops.
The time and money and effort you spend growing your own food isn't worthwhile when you can spend more just working a minimum wage job and buy more food and eat better. I'm not saying you shouldn't grow your own food, it can be fun, but reality is that it is a hobby, not something people should or need to do.
>We are all over the place.
Is this your first day on 4chan(nel)? You wind up talking to different anons who are going to have different ideas. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.15697355]

>>15697245
Cool I'm going over there.

[Anonymous No.15697394]

>>15697343
I did a no till garden and got great results. I didn't have to worry about anything under the grass. I still have food from last years garden.

I believe the US needs to be more sovereign with their food because it will teach people to be less wasteful. They will understand what goes into their food and be more respectful of it. I know getting into producing my own food made me appreciate it more.

It's like you say shortly after, you think the time spent at a dead end job is worth more than the time you spend taking care of a living thing and nurturing it until it can nourish you.


Also composting is so easy. I'm lazy and slow about it, so I don't even turn it. It takes about as much effort as throwing away garbage and taking it outside. Except instead of putting in a larger trash bin I put it in a large compost pile. When the time comes I dig the stuff out of the bottom and lay it out. It's super easy and it's very easy to garden and work a full time job at the same time. I mean shit. If people have time to rot on vidya and hellscapes like 4chan we have time to actually live a bit in reality.

Pic is my no till garden, which I am expanding this year.

[Anonymous No.15697396]

>muh evil scary lab
You “omg chemicals! :(“ fags would have been terrified of electric lights when those were new.

[Anonymous No.15697411]

>>15696894
What's the price compared to actual meat? If it tastes like meat but is significantly cheaper, then I'm willing to try.

[Anonymous No.15697444]

>>15696894
>>15696987
>>15696991
>>15696997

[Anonymous No.15697470]

>>15697411
If you're going to eat based on price, you should eat fake eggs, pagpag and gutter oil

[Anonymous No.15697482]

>>15697394
Cool you have a hobby.
Food waste isn’t from people being “wasteful.” It’s the side effect of the US producing more food than it can handle. A lot of food doesn’t sell and spoils. Only a fraction of food waste is from people wasting it.
Dead end job? A job that puts food on your table and a roof over your head isn’t a deadend. What is a deadend is thinking your little hobby is important. It isn’t. It’s a hobby. It’s the same as playing a video game except a video game is at least fun.

[Anonymous No.15697488]

>>15697470
Not him but the point is if I have to pay twenty bucks for an impossible burger I’ll just pay two bucks for a regular burger instead.

[Anonymous No.15697599]

>>15697394
Nice weeds

[Anonymous No.15697659]

>>15697482
What are you going to do when this "hobby" makes me money, and I enjoy doing it? Then not only am I feeding myself, but others too?

I think you're just seething because you absolutely hate what you do for work and it doesn't give you any fulfillment Sad times for anon. wop, wop.

[Anonymous No.15697675]

>>15697659
You’ll never make a cent on it for all the time and money you’ve wasted on it. Again, glad you have a hobby, and if you were just like “hey this is a cool hobby” I’d agree. Instead, you have your head up your ass thinking you’re living a superior life to others because you grew a couple plants, and I just have to laugh at you because you’re acting like a fool and I won’t play along with your delusions.

[Anonymous No.15697743]

>>15697470
Not based on price alone. Based on price/quality/taste.
If it tastes like shit then I won't eat it even if you give it for free.

[Anonymous No.15697748]

>>15696894
>Making delicious veg dishes isn't difficult nor labor intensive.
taste like shit.

[Anonymous No.15697770]

Falafels are a good option There satisfying like meat, and healthier than over-processed shit like impossible burger or beyond meat.

[Anonymous No.15697773]

>>15697770
>There satisfying like meat

no. sorry.

[Anonymous No.15697979]

>>15697773
Just put some MSG in it.
Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.15698102]

>>15697770
yeah honestly falafel is fucking great

[Anonymous No.15699237]

>>15697085
Almost as bland as a bean burger... almost.

[Anonymous No.15699260]

>>15697770
Falafels are good but so are impossible burgers.
Impossible burgers are literally just vegetables. Falafels are processed too so they’re not even different in that regard.

[Anonymous No.15699280]

>made from planets
Meh
Im waiting for the real shit, genuine beef made in a lab sounds like pure food kino

[Anonymous No.15699289]

>>15696935
Because it tastes like meat, and the taste, smell, and texture of meat is what people want. Not just something that tastes good and is shaped like a burger, but something that you might think is an actual burger. So they do think they're having their "healthy" cake and eating it too.

People crave meat, that's not going away. That's why a black bean/quinoa/whatever burger isn't going to satisfy the same way. They want their meat.

[Anonymous No.15699314]

>>15697411
It would cost you less than a dollar to make an impossible burger patty, and it gets cheaper the more you make them. Internet says a meat burger patty costs a little over a dollar (I don’t know for sure). So it’s a little cheaper if you make them yourself if that’s the case, and they’re simple to make. Premade, they cost way too much.

[Anonymous No.15699348]

>>15699289
Impossible burgers don’t taste exactly like meat and thus don’t really satisfy the craving to be honest. It’s a gimmick of marketing where they claim you can’t taste the difference but you absolutely can. Black bean burgers don’t pretend to be real burgers. Nonvegans/nonvegetarians get turned off by them though because they’re made of beans, but if you called them incredible burgers and claimed they were the same as real meat, people would gobble them up. Meanwhile, if you called impossible burgers “soy burgers,” they wouldn’t be as popular among the masses.

[Anonymous No.15699406]

>>15699260
>Falafels are processed too so they’re not even different in that regard
These things are a matter of degrees, all food is processed unless you're literally eating berries off the bush without washing them
Falafel is literally just ground up chickpeas or fava beans with herbs and spices and the ingredients are easily recognizable
Beyond products literally look like the pink slime chicken that makes awful processed McNuggets, so suspicion is warranted
People should always be suspicious of their food

[Anonymous No.15700085]

>>15696957
>I'm a faggot

[Anonymous No.15700414]

>>15696957
>What else are you supposed to do if you like a product made from animals suffering just for your own pleasure but you're also a pussy?

[Anonymous No.15700431]

>>15696935
>it seems like most of the restaurants that used to have really delicious housemade veggie burgers are switching to Impossible because it sells better
I grew up in a mostly vegetarian household eating shit like morningstar farms and veggie patties and I still like them to this day. This fake meat bullshit replacing veggie burgers is a tragedy.

[Anonymous No.15700689]

>>15696957
>edgy
Kill yourself faggot.

[Anonymous No.15700719]

>>15699406
An impossible/beyond burger is literally just ground up chickpeas or soy beans with herbs and spices and the ingredients are easily recognizable.
So how is it supposed to be different?

[Anonymous No.15700739]

>>15700719
One is ground up field peas with a fuckload of expeller pressed canola oil and soy leghemoglobin. The other one is soy protien iscolate, a fuckload of expeller pressed canola oil, byproducts of carrot and beet processing, and bamboo fiber. There is some coconut and a bunch of artificial bullshit in them too.

Its just another way to sell cash crops. Most of that shit has a ton of byproduct that has to be turned into livestock feed.

[Anonymous No.15700744]

>>15700719
BRB just grabbing these from my garden

[Anonymous No.15700772]

>>15700739
They're both the same thing, you just used scientific words to describe the latter.
>>15700744
Yes, you can put together an impossible burger with shit commonly found in a garden or grocery store when you drop the scientific names for shit.

[Anonymous No.15700783]

>>15700739
>>15700744
Here's the ingredients for a common falafel mix: hickpeas, Wheat Flour, Matzo Meal [Wheat Flour (Contains Gluten)], Spices and Coloring, Onion Powder, Salt, Parsley, Leavening Agent (Acid Sodium Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Stabilizer (Guar Gum), Natural Flavoring.
WHOA SCARY SCIENCE WORDS YIKES

[Anonymous No.15700795]

>>15700739
Both sound like overly processed junk to me. No thanks. I'll eat real food.

[Anonymous No.15700822]

>>15699406
>all food is processed unless you're literally eating berries off the bush without washing them
That's why saying "processed food is bad" is a load of shit, anon.

[Anonymous No.15700829]

>>15700719
>>15700772
>>15700783
This trend of defending heavily processed inorganic pesticide-laden foods by saying that people are just afraid of the scientific chemical names in the ingredients list is really weak

[Anonymous No.15700845]

>>15700829
Crying about science words is weak, anon. None of what you listed was a pesticide.

[Anonymous No.15700847]

>>15700822
Maybe for autistic pedants
Every language and culture on earth has a sense of what is 'reasonable' and the 'reasonable standard' is the foundation of most legal system
When someone says 'avoid highly processed food' they obviously to any reasonable person don't mean ground flour

[Anonymous No.15700852]

>>15700845
Is this seriously what you're going with? The pesticides used on the plant are never, ever listed in the ingredients

[Anonymous No.15700867]

>>15700847
Except there's no clean cut definition on what is "highly processed food" and what isn't. A falafel could be considered a highly processed food, but you have an anon defending it in this thread while attacking "highly processed foods."
You'd be better off saying what process actually are a cause for concern and why they should be avoided. What about the making of an impossible burger scares you, and why does it scare you, and what scientific research do you have to back that fear? Maybe if you were more specific instead of vague, you wouldn't have "autistic pedants" telling you you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.15700873]

>>15700852
So why list the ingredients and say they're scary if what you're really worried is about pesticides and not the ingredients? Anon, you're shifting goalposts here from "the ingredients are scary!" to "no the pesticides are scary!" Even more so that you went on a rant about processed foods when pesticides can be found in foods that aren't processed (in fact, it's easier to find them in unprocessed foods since you aren't treating them for pesticides).

[Anonymous No.15700884]

>>15700829
Nigga it takes zero time to look up those scary science words on google or whatever and find out what they really are. Instead of arguing this dumb shit online all day and looking like a fool, just look the shit up if it concerns you. Goddamn.

[Anonymous No.15700903]

>>15700829
>no stop attacking me for being a dummy who is scared of science
Wear the masks and get the vaccines, anon.

[Anonymous No.15700920]

>>15700903
Vaccines are highly processed so you shouldn't take them.

[Anonymous No.15700951]

>>15700873
>>15700884
>>15700903
I DO LOOK UP THE LE SCARY SCIENCE INGREDIENTS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM
DO YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT CULTURED DEXTROSE IS?
>While the food additive has been studied for safety, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not completed its assessment and has not given it generally recognized as safe, or GRAS, status.
You fags think you're hot shit just because you're not being reactionary.

[Anonymous No.15700997]

>>15700951
>DO YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT CULTURED DEXTROSE IS?
Yes. It's literally just fermented simple sugar made from corn, anon. How is that scary?
The GRAS list just exempts food additives from needing to be tested. Not being on that list doesn't mean that it's unsafe, just that it has to be tested when used in products. Trans fats were removed from the GRAS list. Are you scared of trans fats, too?

[Anonymous No.15701013]

>>15700951
>"I looked up 'cultured dextrose' on google, went to the first result, and freaked out when I saw it didn't have GRAS status!"
K. Next you should look up what GRAS status actually means, because all it means is they don't test that shit because it's common ingredients that pretty much everyone takes for granted won't poison you. The list was created so you didn't have to prove a bit of table salt was safe for human consumption with rigorous tests.

[Anonymous No.15701020]

>>15696894
Literally boomers who cannot cope with the way the world's changed because of their lack of self control

[Anonymous No.15701031]

>>15696894
The whole point is people want an alternative to meat that still tastes like meat, either because they're vegetarians/vegans, or they think meat is bad for the environment, or they just want something different.

[Anonymous No.15701039]

>>15700997
>>15701013
>fermented sugar corn syrup
>how can that be bad
Yeah gee anons I fucking wonder
>Are you scared of trans fats
Not in particular
I get it's important to be contrarian against the fact that people are moving toward more organic and less mass-market foods but you could lessen the shilling

[Anonymous No.15701040]

>>15699314
>It would cost you less than a dollar to make an impossible burger patty, and it gets cheaper the more you make them
You sound like a marketer trying to deceive me, or should I say (((You))) instead?
How about giving a price per Kg or per pound?

[Anonymous No.15701048]

>>15700951
>>15700997
>>15701013
>"GRAS" is an acronym for the phrase Generally Recognized As Safe. Under sections 201(s) and 409 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act), any substance that is intentionally added to food is a food additive, that is subject to premarket review and approval by FDA, unless the substance is generally recognized, among qualified experts, as having been adequately shown to be safe under the conditions of its intended use, or unless the use of the substance is otherwise excepted from the definition of a food additive.
From https://www.fda.gov/food/food-ingredients-packaging/generally-recognized-safe-gras
Sounds like they're right. It just means impossible burgers had to go through premarket review and test to get FDA approval. Doesn't mean it's unsafe to eat.

[Anonymous No.15701060]

>>15701039
>Yeah gee anons I fucking wonder
No, anon, you need to explain how that's bad. Give me scientific research that shows the side effects.
And you aren't afraid of trans fats even though they had their GRAS status REVOKED? You're a hypocrite. You're full of shit, anon. You're just mad at impossible burgers because you think they're scary, with no rational reason for thinking this. That's why people make fun of you, because you truly are "scared of science." Fire scare caveman anon, caveman anon go fuck off back to cave now.

[Anonymous No.15701077]

>>15701040
What would he be marketing, anon? He's telling you to make your own impossible burger, and even said the premade one was overpriced.

[Anonymous No.15701078]

sup?

[Anonymous No.15701091]

>>15701048
Anon, you're not supposed to actually look these things up. You're just supposed to go "gee that sounds bad, better get scared and wet myself" while also calling people shills for not buying into your fear tactics.

[Anonymous No.15701119]

>>15701060
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, keep eating whatever you like. It's sure looks like it's all healthy, don't bother reading the nutrition facts or looking up the ingredients.

[Anonymous No.15701131]

>>15701119
TRANSLATION: I can't prove what I'm saying because I'm wrong, but also refuse to admit I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.15701139]

Isn't impossible meat more expensive than actual meat?

[Anonymous No.15701178]

>>15700783
>Matzo Meal

[Anonymous No.15701183]

>>15701178
>tfw the salt is kosher

[Anonymous No.15701243]

>>15701139
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15701579]

>>15700414
>a pussy
as opposed to you, a chad who kills the animals himself. Die

[Anonymous No.15701724]

>>15696894
When fast food all switches to this shit will they at least charge less?

[Anonymous No.15702016]

>>15701724
No.

[Anonymous No.15702139]

>>15697013
This. Unless you are a poorfag, lowIQ fag, or too depressed to care (/pol/tards are all 3, hence the angry ooga booga replies), there aren't well defensible positions in which you can continue to consume meat in current year.

>inb4 le söy l3ddit memes
Reminder old /b/ was against animal suffering

[Anonymous No.15702178]

I was supposed to respond to everyone in order one by one but I can't detb

[Anonymous No.15702280]

>>15696894
Or better yet, why not just eat meat?

Humans are evolved to meat. We're omnivores. We require vitamin B12, which is naturally found only in animal products - meat and dairy. We also need protein, and plants are exceptionally poor sources of protein.

[Anonymous No.15702297]

>>15696957
Have you tried not being a fag

[Anonymous No.15702307]

>>15702280
"or better yet, why not just eat meat?"

Then eat ze bugs.
Gorilla's don't usually eat meat but they do eat bugs.

[Anonymous No.15702324]

>>15702307
>bugs
Bugs are not a usual foodstuff for humans.

Besides, I bet they're a much worse source of protein. And they're nowhere near as tasty as beef, chicken, or pork (not such a fan of lamb myself, unless it's a doner kebab).

[Anonymous No.15702549]

>>15702139
>old /b/ was against animal suffering
Yeah, but they didn't supported faggots vegans either

[Anonymous No.15702557]

>>15702139
>Reminder old /b/ was against animal suffering
Not really. They just went after animal abusers because it was someone to easily fuck with. Same with pedos. Meanwhile, the same bleeding hearts were posting images and videos of animals being abused for fun and see pee.

[Anonymous No.15702561]

>>15697444
Rent free

[Anonymous No.15702591]

>>15696991
That's usually expensive

[Anonymous No.15702604]

>>15697411
It's not cheaper than the cheapest meat. If you're a decent person and only buy meat where you know the animals were treated right, the vegetarian stuff might be cheaper.

[Anonymous No.15702608]

>>15696894
It's quite delish.

[Anonymous No.15702612]

>>15702297
t. psychopath
Do you torture animals for fun too?

[Anonymous No.15702615]

I typed this and other thread 404'd. Just in case seething underage Anon is here:

>>15702363
Nice try, but that paper is about B12 deficiency, not the source of B12 in animal products.
Let's start with the fact that some plants contain B12:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00007957
Also
>yeast
>mushrooms, especially Shiitake
>algae/seaweed
Etc.
https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/carnivores-need-vitamin-b12-supplements/2013/10/30
https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/livestock-biosecurity/cobalt-deficiency-sheep-and-cattle
The latter for deficiency in livestock. And these are just the first I found.
>You have no idea what you're talking about.
See above, nah, that's definitely you.

>I want to eat tasty meat, as nature intended.
The taste comes from herbs and spices. Did nature intend to season your food with plants so you like it? Why aren't you eating it raw instead of with plants?

>I have the same question that you can't answer.
That's not a question, that's whataboutism. Other Anon put it better than I could.

>You seem like a seething vegan to me.
I'm also a pig, the police, a nigger, female, have two penises, sew my asshole shut etc. Whatever makes you sleep at night and overcome the dreading feeling of inadequacy that surely motivates your imbecile behavior here.

[Anonymous No.15702623]

>>15700689
Edgy is the perfect word to describe you and anyone else who lets animals suffer for their own pleasure.
Wouldn't you call someone who tortures animals for fun edgy? Buying cheap meat is no different from that.

[Anonymous No.15702638]

>>15702280
The eating habits of almost everyone these days cause a lot of animals to suffer in factory farms. If we just ate meat from animals that were treated well or hunted, we'd have to eat a lot less than nowadays or at least pay a lot more for it

[Anonymous No.15702643]

>>15700085
You have no morals and are like an insect. We should eat you instead.

[Anonymous No.15702645]

>>15702638
>we'd have to eat a lot less than nowadays or at least pay a lot more for it
I'd do both just for better meat quality.

[Anonymous No.15702662]

Imagine thinking that it's worse to oppose what's happening in this picture than to be responsible for it.

[Anonymous No.15702670]

>>15702662
And that's not even a bad image.

[Anonymous No.15702683]

>>15697093
Do you only eat ethically raised or hunted animals? You never buy any cheap meat?

[Anonymous No.15702754]

>>15696999
Anon I...

[Anonymous No.15702759]

>>15702324
They're actually pound for pound a better source of protein than beef but of course noone wants to eat thousands of them a day just to maintain a healthy diet

[Anonymous No.15702765]

>>15702615
Imagine seething so much that you have to post in this thread LMAO. Jesus Christ I made you seethe.

>that paper is about B12 deficiency
Doesn't matter. As it says:
>Vitamin B12... is naturally found in animal food products, including meat, poultry, (shell)fish, eggs, milk, and other dairy products (2). Vitamin B12 is generally not present in plant foods
Cope and seethe, vegan freak. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>The taste comes from herbs and spices.
No it really doesn't. Meat by itself is tasty.

>Why aren't you eating it raw
I already told you, humans have evolved to eat cooked meat.

>That's not a question
Yes it is a question, and you're too stupid to answer it. If vegans want to end meat-eating, why don't they advocate culling omnivorous and carnivorous animals? If they don't want to do this, then they're not truly against meat-eating. They're inconsistent, speciesist, and moronic.

>I'm also a pig
Are you? If you say so.

>the dreading feeling of inadequacy
Says the guy who feels so inadequate that he had to carry this argument over to a new thread LMAO.

[Anonymous No.15702769]

>>15702759
>They're actually pound for pound a better source of protein than beef
Source? Do they really have all the amino acids? In good levels?

I dunno, the idea of eating bugs is just disgusting to me really. All those legs and wings and shit. Nasty. I'd rather just eat pure animal muscle.

[Anonymous No.15702771]

>>15702615
>>15702765
Oh I forgot to provide the link which I was quoting from:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6611390/

[Anonymous No.15702797]

>>15702139
You're not an intelligent person, which is why poltards terrify you. Meat is an acceptable product to consume because it is being produced, manufactured, and delivered entirely by american citizens to american citizens. My step mom rekts a dish sometimes but I still eat it because I have respect and loyalty to my fellow people. To assume that eating meat is wrong because it kills the animal is to assume that ~20 million people would happily lose their jobs to be virtuous. Not every dish she makes is edible, but it's more palatable than nothing or dirt. I'm open to meat alternatives too, but those are too expensive to make a reasonable meal for 5+ people. When the american people choose to become more altmeat invested, so will I.

[Anonymous No.15702798]

>>15702765
>Meat by itself is tasty.
Not him but no and yes. Seasoning is definitely a key component to the taste, and you're missing out if you don't season your meats. That said, I've prepared impossible burgers, season them like I would a normal one, even seasoned the fuck out of one, and there's still a difference in taste between real and fake burger meat. Impossible burgers don't taste bad to me, just different. So I'd say seasoning is a major factor but it's not the only factor and can only take a food so far.

[Anonymous No.15702820]

>>15702798
For me, unseasoned beef, chicken, or pork is still extremely tasty.

Moreover, it's satisfying to eat, probably because my body craves protein. Same with eggs too. I mean I would prefer some salt and pepper on my eggs, but even without seasoning, they're satisfying to eat.

[Anonymous No.15702824]

>>15702797
>assume that eating meat is wrong because it kills the animal is to assume that ~20 million people would happily lose their jobs to be virtuous.
Just raise a lot fewer animals but the same amount of people working. Then the animals would have much better lives and there would be much fewer vegans complaining

[Anonymous No.15702827]

>>15702612
no I pay extra to make sure they meat their end as fast and comfortable as possible and then use them as nutrition as god intended

[Anonymous No.15702828]

>>15697013
there really is no aggregate difference in suffering between that and a wild pig living in fear, hunted by predators every day of its life.

[Anonymous No.15702841]

>>15702820
To each their own I suppose. Personally, even when I'm eating raw meats, I always use a dipping sauce or dipping salt and pepper. I think the only time I don't is when I want something that will cleanse my palate. But if you're saying unseasoned meat is your bag, have at it my man. Don't need my permission.
I still stand by my statement that no matter how you season an impossible burger, it still won't taste like meat 100%.

[Anonymous No.15702850]

>>15697396
Except electric lights work.

There's no point to add chemicals to something that tastes good by itself.

[Anonymous No.15702854]

>>15702824
Hey, if we can do that, surely. But currently, too much is needed and way more is wasted. People would be better at learning to conserve and use meat rather than the corpos learning to be less greedy

[Anonymous No.15702877]

>>15696935
Black bean burgers are something else, that better not go away from the based boy burgers being shilled everywhere.

[Anonymous No.15702915]

>>15702841
I like seasoned meat. I just disagree with him saying that all the taste of meat comes from herbs and spices. That's just false. There is flavour to the plain meat already.

Also I don't eat raw meat. But I think you're using "raw" to mean "unseasoned".

>I still stand by my statement that no matter how you season an impossible burger, it still won't taste like meat 100%.
Exactly, so there is flavour to meat besides the seasoning.

[Anonymous No.15702917]

>>15702670
Most normal human beings oppose that. It's just that vegans also oppose this picture as well.

Might as well ban women and children too because human trafficking exists.

[Anonymous No.15702938]

>>15702827
You never buy cheap meat?

[Anonymous No.15702942]

>>15702917
Most people don't oppose the one I posted. They gladly pay for it to happen and get angry at ones who point out their lack of morals.

[Anonymous No.15702960]

>>15697030
Most of the world's arable land isn't even used.

[Anonymous No.15702964]

>>15701078
Hi

[Anonymous No.15702965]

>>15702942
Then isn't the problem not animal agriculture, but poor animal husbandry being pushed onto people? Saying "go vegan" is just going to make a bunch of half assed slacktivists who usually end up going back to meat anyways. Wouldn't it be better to educate people on how to source pasture raised regenerative animal products and support small farms and educate people on how these megafarms push out small farms? For example, I know a dairy farmer who could easily half his herd and make the same amount of money if he could just direct sell to a handful of people.

[Anonymous No.15703015]

ze bugs are a fine alternative, fellow 4channel posters

[Anonymous No.15703178]

>>15702638
Animals suffer when hunted too. A lot of deaths in the wild are extremely gory and induce suffering.

So really it's just nature, isn't it. Yes factory-farmed animals suffer, but so do animals that are killed in the wild. Humans are just one of many, many animals that eat other animals. It's just nature. It's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.15703200]

>>15702917
Probably. I prefer it. There's one such farm near me which offers a variety of rare pigs that are almost extinct due to mass-production. Tastes really intense and interesting.

[Anonymous No.15703209]

>>15697093
>just start killing shit bro

[Anonymous No.15703224]

>>15702765
>Jesus Christ I made you seethe.
Seeing as you're using 90% memespeak in your post, that's definitely you. I just didn't want to have typed all that for nothing.
>Doesn't matter
It does tho. It's not their primary goal so they can ignore the details. Read my sources. You won't though, since you're scared of having your puny worldview challenged.
>Meat by itself is tasty.
So you never ate unseasoned meat. K.
>humans have evolved to eat cooked meat.
Like they evolved to be able to sustain on plant-based diets. You have no argument.
>Yes it is a question
No, it's still a lame whataboutism and you're not interested in either learning or a discussion, as already clear by your refusal to address the sources I posted.
>Are you? If you say so.
I'm also BLM protestor, news anchor (Fox News), scientist, Facebook mom, alcoholic, etc. Whatever helps you cope with your mental disability.

[Anonymous No.15703232]

>>15702915
> him saying that all the taste of meat comes from herbs and spices.
I didn't say that. You're really bad at reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.15703323]

>>15703224
>>15703232
You're a seething vegan freak who can't answer my question which correctly points out the hypocrisy of veganism.

Seething vegan freak.

[Anonymous No.15703382]

>>15697093
Way harder than buying a burger made of pea protein which tastes just as good

[Anonymous No.15703523]

>>15703382
Just give Bill Gates all your money so he can buy up all of americas farmland.

[Anonymous No.15703571]

So it is only some expensive meme """""meat""""".

[Anonymous No.15703950]

>>15703323
Ask a question that isn't whataboutism.
Ad hominems show you're not even capable of doing so tho.

Also your swearing shows that you're the one seething here. Enjoy the butthurt.

[Anonymous No.15703969]

>>15696894

my moms a fake vegetarian and a nutritionist and she told me not its not good so ill stay away from it

[Anonymous No.15704082]

>>15703950
>N-NO U
Pathetic. You're seething like mad.

[Anonymous No.15704096]

>>15696999
>You can't make a cake from scratch. Hell, you can't even bake bread from scratch.
Are you fucking retarded, or just pretending?

[Anonymous No.15704328]

>>15704082
Just let go you annoying child. You've been BTFO.

[Anonymous No.15704466]

>>15704328
The only person who's been defeated is you, you couldn't answer my question which correctly identified the hypocrisy of veganism.

[Anonymous No.15704487]

>>15704082
Yeah, super mad here that you've been btfo'd so easily. Get some reading comprehension lessons. Honest suggestion.
I'm not other Anon.

[Anonymous No.15704597]

>>15704487
You're seething like mad that you've been completely BTFO because you couldn't answer my question which correctly identified the hypocrisy of veganism.

Next time don't seethe so much when you're BTFO.

[Anonymous No.15705225]

>>15704597
Yikes

[Anonymous No.15705272]

>>15704597
You must be 18 or older to post here.

[Anonymous No.15705284]

>>15696894
>Organicfags
dude just eat this plant covered in literal feces

[Anonymous No.15705444]

>>15696957
mademereply/10

[Anonymous No.15705449]

>>15696916
t. small dick energy af

[Anonymous No.15705483]

>>15696894
because you are substituting one element for the other. Wait until we opt out of meat and we destroy the planet cutting down trees because we need endless fields to sustain a vegetarian planet.

[Anonymous No.15707123]

>>15705483
But meat and the food required to grow it take up multitudes more space than current veg space..?

[Anonymous No.15707152]

>>15702643
Eat my nut you little sissy.

[Anonymous No.15707225]

ill stop eating meat when vegans stop having kids

[Anonymous No.15707260]

>>15707225
well we'd ask for you and the rest of /ck/ to stop being fat asses and being heart disease riddled but clearly you want more of it so have at it

[Anonymous No.15707324]

>>15705225
>>15705272
Imagine seething this much. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.15707327]

>>15707260
Who is we? No one likes vegans. Even vegans hate eachother.

[Anonymous No.15707334]

>>15707123
I mean... i guess? Why have perennial grasslands when you can just till and chemically spray the fuck out of it for people to eat.

[Anonymous No.15707627]

>>15696894
One of the cringiest things I ever did was try and be vegan for a year in highschool. The honest answer: no matter how hard vegans insist the human body is fine without meat, you crave it literally constantly when you go vegan. Like it becomes an obsession after a while. I've done other restrictive diets, and could manage fine, but your body is obsessed with eating meat when you go vegan, and you are desperate to eat the closest thing to meat while you are unable to eat it.

[Anonymous No.15707771]

>>15702915
>I like seasoned meat. I just disagree with him saying that all the taste of meat comes from herbs and spices. That's just false. There is flavour to the plain meat already.
Alright, yeah, I can definitely agree with that.

[Anonymous No.15707795]

>>15707324
>n-n-no I'm not s-seething
>i-it's you! You are s-s-seething!
Those people weren't even me btw. You're literally a child it seems.

[Anonymous No.15707861]

>>15697093
>ethically raised animals
Oh fuck off you inconsistent shit.
Humans don't have a reason to care about animal well-being in any capacity whatsoever.
I respect hardcore carnivores who buy whatever the fuck they want, and I respect sissy vegans who are "uguu dont kill de animels >...<", but I fucking hate dumbass centrists like yourself.
We would never make this kind of argument for human slavery ("We make sure the slaves are happy, we make sure that they're fed well, groomed and have recreational facilities..."), why the fuck would you care about someone's suffering when you don't care about them dying? Oh, does the animal's will to live not matter as much as their will not to suffer?

I respect a bottom-class chink boiling a dog alive more than I respect hypocrites like you who arbitrarily extend morality to animals.

[Anonymous No.15707865]

>>15707627
>I wAnTeD mEaT sO eVeRyoNe DoEs
Fuck off you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.15707959]

>>15707861
You are a spiritual nigger if you are not an actual nigger.

[Anonymous No.15707971]

>>15707959
Nope, just 5 times more intelligent than the average /ck/ poster. The fact that you couldn't present a single argument proves my inellectual superiority.

[Anonymous No.15707993]

>>15707971
ok soulless nigger

[Anonymous No.15708082]

>>15696935
Faggot

[Anonymous No.15708167]

So, like, we all know this plant-based stuff won't ever be completely accepted over meat but when there's vat-grown meat and stuff, right? Do you think there'll be alternative meats? You know, exotics that might be hard to acquire for one reason or another like bison, cassowary, and long pig? Or will it just be the standard meats?

[Anonymous No.15708198]

>>15696894
I'm not a fan of plant-based 'meat' but I do like meat mixed with plant based, uh, plants.
Beef and lentils is good.
Chicken and chickpeas too.

[Anonymous No.15709127]

>>15707861
>I respect a bottom-class chink boiling a dog alive

You heard it here, guys.

If you eat meat, you might as well torture it to death. Any sort of animal welfare standards don't make ANY sense since hell, they are just going to die anyways. Also you aren't allowed to stop animal abuse. Next time you see someone beat the shit out of an animal instead of doing anything about it remember you eat meat and just let it happen because you are no different than the guy beating the shit out of a puppy or whatever.

And remember, slaves are EXACTLY like livestock animals.

[Anonymous No.15709150]

>>15709127
>If you eat meat, you might as well torture it to death.
Yeah, that's literally what I said. Lampshading it won't make you appear smarter, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.15709182]

>>15709150
So you advocate for animal torture?

[Anonymous No.15709186]

>>15709182
Advocate implies support, I am saying it's morally neutral, not morally positive, unless you're vegan, in which case it should be a moral sin.

[Anonymous No.15709205]

>>15709186
Does that mean vegans shouldn't eat rice since it depends on the labour of 10s of thousands of domesticated ducks?

Should all those ducks be tortured because they are domesticated?

[Anonymous No.15709225]

>>15709205
I can see arguments for how some forms of agriculture fuck with the environment, and thus, animals, yeah. If the vegan is an act utilitarian ontop of that, he'd have to argue that more animal lives are saved this way.

[Anonymous No.15709249]

>>15709225
The ducks are used to prevent environmental damage to rice paddies by using heavy machinery and chemical poison.

I still think it's stupid that someone who eats meat can't be against animal abuse. I think it's incredibly retardedly black and white to say that just because someone eats meat they have to get it from shithole factory farms.

As far as lives being "saved" it feels like vegans don't want these domesticated animals existing in the first place. There are certain breeds of domesticated animals that don't make much sense existing or existing in such large quantities, but there are also endangered domesticated animals. Some of which require very little human input.
What I'm trying to say is your black and white thinking really cripples you logically. The world isn't a black and white place.

[Anonymous No.15709307]

>>15709249
>The ducks are used to prevent environmental damage to rice paddies by using heavy machinery and chemical poison.
Then obviously a vegan would be against the use of ducks.
>I think it's incredibly retardedly black and white to say that just because someone eats meat they have to get it from shithole factory farms.
>What I'm trying to say is your black and white thinking really cripples you logically.
There literally is no inbetween. Respecting an animal's will to avoid suffering but not respecting an animal's will to live is absolutely illogical and you haven't given a single argument otherwise. We wouldn't extend this kind of logic to humans, unless that human is in an extreme state of chronic agony and cannot be cured with anything but death.
>but there are also endangered domesticated animals.
We usually do not gain anything from preserving animals. A species going extinct cannot be incorporated into a suffering-based moral formula, except for maybe the fact that the last members of a species will have a lot of trouble finding a mate, leading them to feel depressed, if they are capable of such emotion.

[Anonymous No.15709382]

>>15709307
Wait so a vegan would be against the use of the domesticated ducks even though it would mean catastrophic environmental damage if the farmers don't use them?

>We wouldn't extend this kind of logic to humans

Human euthanasia is illegal. I'm not saying it shouldn't be. But it is. An old person in a nursing home suffering and begging for death will not get it. And if you think humans respect one another for a second just remember wage slaves and sweatshops exist. Also, it's only illegal to kill someone if you are poor. If you're rich and politically powerful generally speaking you will get away with it.

I know you are just being contrarian because you want to be right, but the world is not in black and white. Believing there is no moral middle ground on anything is a sign of clear mental illness.

[Anonymous No.15709417]

>>15696903
kekd

[Anonymous No.15709455]

>>15709382
>Wait so a vegan would be against the use of the domesticated ducks even though it would mean catastrophic environmental damage if the farmers don't use them?
As I said, it would depend how many animal/ human lives are saved. I don't know enough about duck-rice farms, but there is no need to discuss it when we're much better off just debating abstractions.
>Human euthanasia is illegal.
Most of the western world allows passive euthanasia in contrast, that is, euthanasia caused by switching a machine off that's vital for someone's survival.
>And if you think humans respect one another
Whether humans respect eachother is largely unrelated to my argument.
>I know you are just being contrarian because you want to be right
I am not being contrarian. I love stirring shit up to attract anons to argue with, yeah, but my moral positions are ones I have thought about for years and I have made strives to make it as consistent as possible in all regards (every topic I come across) using a simple rule-utilitarian framework.
>but the world is not in black and white.
I am still not seeing an argument as to why someone who enjoys eating animals should care about the well-being of the animals he in the process of devouring. We can make arguments such as "free-range animals taste better" and whatnot, but those aren't the kind of arguments you would want to make.

[Anonymous No.15709552]

>>15709455
I don't understand how you can't figure out that just because someone is eating meat means they completely lack empathy. And I do agree that well raised animals taste better. The closer they get to a natural diet and the more natural behaviors they get to express in a more natural setting while still getting the protection that domesticated animals get does improve the taste of the meat. I know the animals I raise taste way better than the animals pumped full of empty calories in sunless rooms. It's literally meat vs cardboard. It's no wonder that some people claim a bunch of machine regurgitated legumes could be argued to taste the same as poorly raised livestock.

Not to mention domesticated animals are also important alive. Using animal manure to fertilize crops prevents the mining of artificial fertilizer. Procuring these materials poisons water, and spraying it on tilled soil (I am also against tilling) causes even more water poisonings, killing countless sea life. I mean shoot, without bees, we couldn't have most of our produce. In fact, did you know in California in just one winter alone, 50 billion bees died for almond production? They get trucked in and are forced to wake up from dormancy way too early to pollinate the almonds.

Grazing animals can be incredibly important for preventing overgrowth of grass and other shrubs which can cause forest fires, which obviously kill tons of wild animals. There are many groups of people using herds of domesticated grazers and browsers like goats as an alternative to slash and burn weed management.

Again, for the millionth, the world is not in black and white. You can't just look at people and put them into 2 neat little categories of "good" and "bad".

I don't doubt you have considered your morals for years, who doesn't? But no ones morals are objectively correct. And people will take advantage of that. So look out.

[Anonymous No.15709565]

The fucking mind-bending mental gymnastics in here I swear.

Objectively:
1. Eating meat is fine.
2. The conditions in mass-production facilities at emorally and ethically fucked and should be ended asap.
3. If you want to eat/live vegan, do it, but don't be a dick about it.
4. If you want to eat animal products, do it, but don't be a dick about it.
5. Health data for anything is completely inconclusive. Vegans need B12, but they supplement and through that are likely better served than average meat-eaters.
6. The typical vegan eats a broad diet, not just oats and apple juice. This is technically vegan, but objectively completely retarded. Comparing every vegan to these brainfarts is retarded and you should feel bad for even considering it.
7. The "how do you know someone's vegan? Hell tell you. Haha hahaha" joke was never funny and is even less funny now. Pure cringe. In eating situations they obviously have to tell you.
8. The quality of average meat is complete shit and we should change that asap.

[Anonymous No.15709607]

>>15709552
>I don't understand how you can't figure out that just because someone is eating meat means they completely lack empathy.
They might feel empathetic towards an animal they find out has been raised in poor living standards, but that empathy is rooted in an inconsistent moral framework from which someone operates.
My argument would be that we can use that empathy to point out that the person we have in mind is inconsistent and should probably become vegan in an attempt to obtain mental clarity.
>I know the animals I raise taste way better than the animals pumped full of empty calories in sunless rooms.
That's great! It's just impossible to use "animals taste great when they are handled well" as a /moral/ argument in any capacity, which was the original reason of me bringing that up in the first place.
>You can't just look at people and put them into 2 neat little categories of "good" and "bad".
No, but I can tell who is consistent with their beliefs and who is not.
>But no ones morals are objectively correct.
I agree, my choice of words heavily implies that I do not believe in objective morality, as I on several occasions assumed the moral framework of a hypothetical vegan.
Instead, what I am arguing is that most meat eaters are more arbitrary than other dietary groups when it comes to extending empathy to specific entities.
Something else that greatly annoys me is when meat eaters will argue that eating dogs is immoral, while they feast on cows and other mammals on the daily.
And when I say "eating dogs", I also mean the hypothetical act of raising a dog in good conditions and slaughtering them in a """humane""" way, rather than what you see on chinese liveleak sites.

I think that all kinds of animal cruelty and animal consumption laws should be lifted as they are merely a compromise among inconsistent meat-eaters.

[Anonymous No.15709673]

>>15709607
>no, but I can tell who is consistent with their beliefs and who is no

So if vegans are consistent, why are so few of them pro lifers? I mean, don't unborn babies want to live too?

Also why do so few of them grow their own food? If they want the least amount of animal deaths, any vegan with a lawn should have a garden. Just because you don't eat animal products does not mean you are morally consistent.

Also, honestly, if meat dogs were raised humanely why would anyone have a problem with people eating them? The whole issue with dog meat is that the chinese have a backwards belief that adrenalized animals that suffer before they die will make you more powerful or some shit. Meanwhile people have discovered that a stressed out animal will actually taste worse, and that it's no surprise that chinese will pay more money for American meat than what they raise locally.

I mean, if you are going to eat meat, would you rather eat the meat of an animal skinned and boiled alive, or an animal that was raised well shot in the head at their home? Like I said, it's not black and white.

[Anonymous No.15709681]

>>15696907
This isn't for vegans it's for you.

[Anonymous No.15709695]

>>15709681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKhpZcJ-DD4&ab_channel=UnnaturalVegan

[Anonymous No.15709734]

>>15709673
>So if vegans are consistent, why are so few of them pro lifers?
I feel like this is a false equivication. When humans ought to be recognized as humans is an incredibly loaded philosophical topic that requires a lot more nuance beyond "suffering bad". That said, I don't really want to defend vegans on issues that are unrelated to their dietary habits.
>Also why do so few of them grow their own food? If they want the least amount of animal deaths, any vegan with a lawn should have a garden.
Probably because most vegans live in very dense cities, not to mention that you'll need a lot of land to be self-sufficient, so reaping a couple of pounds of potatoes and tomatoes a year isn't really going to lead to demonstrable good to the world.
>if meat dogs were raised humanely why would anyone have a problem with people eating them?
The common argument used is that we have a spiritual obligation to continue the tradition of using domesticated dogs exclusively for companionship.
Highly illogical, but a belief just as common as "we need better conditions to raise animals for the animals' sake".
>if you are going to eat meat, would you rather eat the meat of an animal skinned and boiled alive
Depending on whether I am more concerned about taste or nutrition on that day, I'd have to look at which animal is more suitable for either.
But I wouldn't be morally compelled either way; choosing between an animal who was tortured to death and one who was killed in a "humane" way would be like choosing between a chocolate donut and a vanilla donut.

[Anonymous No.15709761]

>>15709565
>The "how do you know someone's vegan? Hell tell you. Haha hahaha" joke was never funny and is even less funny now. Pure cringe. In eating situations they obviously have to tell you.

it's still funny cause it's still TRUTH.

[Anonymous No.15709790]

>>15709734
So you are basically saying vegans who are pro choice are not morally consistent.

Also, can you even argue that supporting cities, which absolutely destroy natural environments is ethical? I used to live in a large city, for a very long time in fact, and I can tell you it is nothing short of madness to do so. You also don't need a ton of land to be more self sufficient. Rural areas continue to be depopulated, and just a single acre, even half or hell, one 10th of an acre, can provide an astonishing amount of food for a person. It's just that having any connection to your food will force you to really think about what goes into what you eat. It's a very profound thing. I would strongly recommend every single man, woman, and child does it at least once in their lives.

Finally, when it comes to dogs, it's all cultural. The now extinct Polynesian poi dog was a breed raised for meat. Guinea pigs, which in the Eurocentric west, are seen as pets, but they were originally domesticated for meat, and can still be consumed today, even in the united states. Pidgeon were brought to the United States as meat birds. Not to mention, someone's companion can also be abused.

Maybe learn to stop being so divided with 98% of the population, and you will learn that factory farmed atrocities are just the tip of the post modern industrial hyperconsumption culture iceberg.

[Anonymous No.15709794]

>>15696894
You're trying to to imply that livestock as we know them now aren't just genetically modified freaks of nature?

[Anonymous No.15709828]

>>15696894
How does it taste?

[Anonymous No.15709847]

reading some of this thread makes me wanna keep eating meat purely out of spite

[Anonymous No.15709858]

>>15709790
>So you are basically saying vegans who are pro choice are not morally consistent.
No, I am saying that this is an entirely different discussion and I have no interest in defending vegans in that regard.
>You also don't need a ton of land to be more self sufficient.
It's certainly unsustainable when we consider that vegans want everyone to hop on a non-meat diet.
A vegan might also make an argument that people shouldn't make extreme sacrafices like giving up on their lifestyle to become a slave-like subsistence farmer in the middle of nowhere for very negligible benefits. I'd make a distinction between acting morally good/ neutral and morally optimal.
>Finally, when it comes to dogs, it's all cultural.
I have been assuming positions that were not my own the entire time. I personally don't care about the suffering of animals one bit and recognize what you are regurgitating very well to be true.

[Anonymous No.15709914]

>>15709858
Do you really think a small garden takes up that much time? You can literally work a full time job and play vidya and take an hour a day to get some fresh air and live in reality for a bit. You clearly have no idea how much some plants and animals can yield for very little work. You also act like this disgusting hyperconsumption lifestyle is somehow meaningful and amazing and totally not what is causing a massive influx of mental illness. You are clearly demonstrating your lack and white extremist mindset if you think there is no middle ground between living in a dystopian metropolis and living as a peasant serf.

I still stand by what I said. You can care about domesticated animals, wildlife, and humanity, and still eat meat.

Your apathetic nature is clearly a byproduct of urban brainwashing. Get out while you still can.

[Anonymous No.15709922]

>>15709914
This conversation is becoming awfully boring, you seem to want to talk about something completely different.

[Anonymous No.15709991]

not reading all that bullshit. does anyone have a video of how plant based meat is made? not a domestic hobby chef vid but the scaled process.

[Anonymous No.15710002]

>>15707861
People feel empathetic towards animals, and don't want them to suffer because they in turn wouldn't want to suffer. That isn't contradictory to wanting to kill and eat the animal.
Do you hate lions and bears because they'd eat you? No, you understand that it's in their nature. They also don't torture and abuse the animals they kill, at least not on purpose.

[Anonymous No.15710058]

>>15709991
Basically two retards who don't understand that worldviews essentially boil down to "what i feel" and think that there's rhyme and reason behind it.

[Anonymous No.15710064]

>>15710058
i quickly surmised it was meat vs vegan argument #495295872957987569348679847395874395789 and skipped to the end

[Anonymous No.15710067]

>>15696916
>>15696907
VEGANS
ARE
HEALTHY

[Anonymous No.15710068]

No

Nobody wants this

Fuck off

[Anonymous No.15710070]

>>15696894
>Why don't Americans just eat chickpea and lentils?
because the end goal is to swap out all the meat the working class eats with fake meat

[Anonymous No.15710084]

>>15696894
I recently tried wookie meat. It was chewy.

[Anonymous No.15710489]

>>15709761
It was never true.