/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.15589124]

>asian food
>full of spice
>aztec food
>tortillas dipped in spice
>Europe
>had mustard
Why do I feel like that spices have their own stories? And why do I feel like Europe sucks when it came to spices?

[Anonymous No.15589169]

>spice

[Anonymous No.15589177]

>>15589124
If you don't know about indigenous European spices just say so.

[Anonymous No.15589233]

>>15589177
if you look at ancient roman recipes it's just cumin and fish sauce on everything.

[Anonymous No.15589237]

>>15589124
Hungary and the Balkans would like to have a word with you

[Anonymous No.15589243]

>>15589237
I said Europe. Bringing up the Balkans is stretching it.

[Anonymous No.15589250]

>>15589233
There are a few dozen native European spices. Many of them don't get much use today outside of niche local communities.
Besides the common Mediterranean herbs, some others that still see popular use include coriander, juniper, anise, saffron, myrtle, angelica, fennel, sumac, truffle, celery, chive, and horseradish.

There are so few preserved ancient Roman recipes and many of them include herbs and spices we no longer know today, like silphium.

[Anonymous No.15589263]

>>15589124
>spices have their own stories
They do, and scholarly histories have been written about them. I wish I could remember a title to recommend, but if you google "history of spices" or similar, you should get a couple hits.

[Anonymous No.15589278]

>>15589243
Last I checked the Balkans are firmly in Europe

[Anonymous No.15589279]

>>15589243
Ok chud

[Anonymous No.15589293]

Do we really need to go over this again? Spices were used to cover up the taste of shitty rotting produce

[Anonymous No.15589464]

>source : my ass

[Anonymous No.15589480]

>>15589293
This. Hence why spices are so popular in Indian and Africa cuisines.

[Anonymous No.15589485]

>>15589480
Why do you answer yourself?

[Anonymous No.15589493]

>spices must be spicy
lrn2herbs

>>15589243
this dude thinks Europe ends in Berlin

[Anonymous No.15589572]

Can we talk about ork cooking, instead?
>squig soup
>squig pie
>squig steak
>squig filet mignon
>squig porridge

[Anonymous No.15589582]

>>15589250
>Besides the common Mediterranean herbs, some others that still see popular use include coriander, juniper, anise, saffron, myrtle, angelica, fennel, sumac, truffle, celery, chive, and horseradish.
Doesn't that really confirm that colder climate and spicy food don't tend to traditionally happen? Once again its mainly centered on warmer Med area.

[Anonymous No.15589595]

>Europe
>Literally developed the entire world and waged war for centuries to control spice trade
>durrrr yurop can't into spice

Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15589601]

What's wrong with mustard

[Anonymous No.15589612]

>>15589601
It burns horribly.

[Anonymous No.15589618]

>>15589612
Isn't that the point?

[Anonymous No.15589619]

>>15589618
>posting NSFW on a blue board
MOOOODS!!

[Anonymous No.15589621]

>>15589601
It defies Neo-Marxist logic. It's similar to East Asian success in schools and business.

[Anonymous No.15589622]

>>15589618
Anglos don't really do mustard on their roast chicken.

[Anonymous No.15589683]

>>15589124
stupid fucking nigger
kill yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.15589693]

>>15589493
Europe did end in Berlin.

[Anonymous No.15589739]

>>15589683
what a problematic and toxic post
Mods?

[Anonymous No.15589807]

>>15589739
RETARD FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.15589854]

>>15589124

[Anonymous No.15589887]

Herbs > spices

[Anonymous No.15589943]

>>15589485
Try again, faggot

[Anonymous No.15589947]

>>15589887
>I hate foreigners
Lmao back to your brainrot circlejerk /pol/cuck

[Anonymous No.15589955]

>>15589582
It's to cover up the taste of bad meat
Not a problem for northerners

[Anonymous No.15589965]

>>15589124
because euro food mainly uses herbs not spices, because spices were expensive and the peasants didn't have them, so they used herbs instead.

[Anonymous No.15589966]

>>15589955
>referencing dark-age culinary practices
Yep it's a Northerner.

[Anonymous No.15589968]

>>15589124
Dumb niggers will reply to this bait thread.

[Anonymous No.15589969]

>>15589124
>Literally sail to the end of the world and conquer people you've never even knew existed to acquire spices
>FFW 4 centuries
>REEEEEEE WHY DO YUROS NOT USE SPICES/YUROS NEED TO APOLOGISE FOR COLONIALISM
ffs make a choice

[Anonymous No.15589980]

>>15589968
>>15589969
Go back to your containement board, /pol/.

[Anonymous No.15590002]

>>15589582
>Doesn't that really confirm that colder climate and spicy food don't tend to traditionally happen?
Ehhhh. If so, mostly incidentally. Pretty much every people used what they could get, which meant either living near the tropical or subtropical areas where those spices were easily cultivated (like India) or having access to a significant trade network (like Rome and Renaissance Italy).

[Anonymous No.15590058]

>>15589947
lmao seething faggot.

[Anonymous No.15590060]

>>15589955
ah, the old /pol/ retardation

[Anonymous No.15590070]

>>15589980
Likewise

[Anonymous No.15590079]

>>15589243
lolwut
what continent would you put them on then?

[Anonymous No.15590519]

>>15589980
>it's only /pol/ if I disagree with it

[Anonymous No.15590539]

>>15589293
in europe they were status symbols

[Anonymous No.15590545]

European food is pretty good, but the mediterranean and the Middle East have the greatest food. Very sorry bros.

[Anonymous No.15590555]

>>15590539
also basically erbs and spice are "functionally" the same thing but herbs=cheap and spice=expensive
but to be more precise everything that was an expensive ingredient was considered a spice, even sugar

[Anonymous No.15590581]

>>15590079
Middle East. Aka Shitlands.

[Anonymous No.15590689]

>>15589595
the spices europeans wanted was shit like cinnamon and nutmeg.
>wow karen these gingerbread cookies are too spicy for me

>>15589955
explain all the spicy indian food that's vegetarian then

[Anonymous No.15590726]

>>15590689
>vegetables can't spoil

[Anonymous No.15590737]

>>15589966
>cultural practices have no practical origins

[Anonymous No.15590747]

>>15590060
>implying there is something racial about what I said somehow
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15590788]

>>15590581
>middle east is a continent
Make like a kebab and get removed

[Anonymous No.15590813]

>>15590737
I know the concept of flavour hasn't reached your lot yet but the modern application of herbs and spices has changed quite a bit in the 900 years you weren't paying attention.

[Anonymous No.15590815]

>>15589243
Nice another American mutt.

[Anonymous No.15590826]

>>15589947
Lol, you're such a fucking faggot.
Get off 4chan, please we could use the better quality.

[Anonymous No.15590832]

>>15590060
Okay nigger.
See this fucking immigrant from reddit? He constantly brings up pol for no reason what so ever, absolutely seething someone from pol ripped his shitty arguments out so now he has to come here.

[Anonymous No.15590836]

>>15590581
The Balkans, also known as the Balkan Peninsula, are a geographic area in southeastern Europe with various definitions and meanings, including geopolitical and historical. The region takes its name from the Balkan Mountains that stretch throughout the whole of Bulgaria. Wikipedia
Population: ca. 55 million (32 million only the peninsula's part)
Location: Southeast Europe (12 Countries)
And you useless niggers call poltards, tards unironically.
Get fucking murdered or kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15590860]

>>15590836
>wikipedia
>reliable
Good cuck.

[Anonymous No.15591546]

>>15589250
What are these niche spices you speak of?
>>15589293
First of all, that is a bullshit folk theory- they were used for many purposes including flavor, ritual, and preservation. Secondly, literally every cuisine has been extensively shaped by preservation techniques, so this 'fun fact' that pops up in every thread about yuro cuisine is retarded to begin with. If you wonder why techniques like confit, smoking, curing, fermentation, and pickling exist, there is your answer.

[Anonymous No.15591554]

>>15590826
>we
Speak for yourself retard

[Anonymous No.15591797]

>>15591546
Covering up the flavour of rot =/= preservation

[Anonymous No.15591808]

>>15590832
blow it out your ass

[Anonymous No.15591876]

>>15589279
Chud= Chad+Stud

[Anonymous No.15591888]

>>15589947
>Triggered this hard by condiments

There are only 2 genders

[Anonymous No.15591898]

>>15591554
I agree with him, that makes it a we

[Anonymous No.15591932]

>>15591876
ahhh now i get it. Thanks for the clarification anon.

[Anonymous No.15591967]

>>15591932
yeah, at least its what I think it is, makes sense to me.

[Anonymous No.15592036]

>>15591797
Many spices have been a precious resource for most of recorded history. Somebody who could afford a spice like nutmeg or saffron would not be using it on spoiled meat. The ancients didn't establish hazardous international trade routes to exchange poorfag goods.

[Anonymous No.15592078]

>>15590689
Because in addition to covering up spoiled or old meat spices and herbs also taste good.

[Anonymous No.15592099]

>>15589233
We don't have hardly any records of European cooking before the spice trade blew up. Its all word of mouth and peasant food. Seriously we don't even have a terribly good idea of what medieval foods for kings was like.

Its not that Europeans didn't have spices in their food, it's that the spice trade completely obliterated old dishes because we had so many new combinations and literacy.

[Anonymous No.15592170]

>>15589124
You never made it past middle school I take it?
And you think Milk comes from a carton?
The state of education these days.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_trade

[Anonymous No.15592183]

>>15592099
Europe has tonnes of spices, it's just that the 'new' flavours introduced from spice trade ushered in a new era of progressive wealth and luxury. And can arguably be the point where the term middle class first came I to existence.
Think items like vanilla, tea and cocoa.

[Anonymous No.15592215]

>>15592099
yeah but no one applies the no spice meme to countries that adopted new world ingredients like spain and italy. it's just shitty ones like england and norway that ignored them to keep eating blood sausage and rotten fish that get insulted.

[Anonymous No.15592291]

>>15589237
They only have spices because black ottomans ruled over them for centuries

[Anonymous No.15592379]

>>15592215
That's a retarded statement Spain has tonnes of blood sausages that blow out yer asshole.

[Anonymous No.15592436]

The diversity of flora in the subtropics is why there are many spices that are not endemic to evropa

[Anonymous No.15592498]

>>15592036
One mans poorfag daily item is another mans treasure

[Anonymous No.15592619]

>>15589582
>>15590002
capsicum peppers are native to the americas and were not introduced to the old world and asia until about the 16th century when the conquistadores returned. depending on your definition of "traditional" it can be argued that their use doesnt extend back far enough historically to be considered "traditional". also, and this is by far the more contributing factor of their lack of presence in colder climate cultures, chilies are very temperature sensitive and difficult to grow in colder environments. i live in the NE USA and i would not be able to grow peppers in any decent capacity without modern climate control.

conversely, consider how much cabbage and garlic is featured in higher-latitude cuisines. many cultivars of cabbage thrive in cold soil and garlic needs to be planted in the fall and grows through winter.

tl;dr cuisines are based on what grows easily their environments

[Anonymous No.15593024]

>>15592619
what are you talking about warm countries like mexico, italy, and china use way more garlic than cold ones. the only thing nothern countries have going for them is dairy.

[Anonymous No.15593203]

>>15593024
you know that a good half of Italy sits on about the same latitude as Maine? not to mention that most of that is relatively high-altitude because theyre in the middle of the Alps. a good portion of China is on a similar latitude also, and a good portion of China is mountainous too. that being said Chinese cuisine is so regionally diverse that its a mistake to lump them all together under the "Chinese" label. not to mention that regular trade between cold and warm cultures skews this all.

look, im not saying that mexico cant grow garlic, or cabbage, or other colder weather crops. my point is more that colder climates are more restricted when it comes to crop choice due to a shorter growing season, while lower latitude cultures have a much wider gamut of what they can grow in a season. because of that, there is less "emphasis" on those cold weather crops.

[Anonymous No.15593534]

>>15589124
It's a climate thing. You can grow most spices in cold climates. That's why Europe colonized the world for their spices.

[Anonymous No.15593605]

>>15589582
Spices are not the same as "spicy." Not all spices are spicy.
Horseradish, however, is incredibly spicy, so I think you're just retarded.

>>15591546
>niche spices like celery (seed) or coriander
Makes one think.

[Anonymous No.15593626]

>>15589243
What a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.15593681]

>>15593534
How come spices in Europe are considered to be a matter of taste while they're considered standards in Mesoamerican or Asia?

[Anonymous No.15593706]

>>15589124
>feel
There's your problem buddy

[Anonymous No.15593779]

[Anonymous No.15593825]

>>15593534
Edit: can't
>>15593681
Likely culture. If your parents didn't use spices, you're unlikely to value well seasoned food. If you live in a plave where spices are plentiful, its more likely that a food is seen as to have certain spices or its done 'wrong'.

[Anonymous No.15593863]

>>15593825
I see. From what I know, Aztecs used a lot (and I do mean a lot) of spices, and whenever they needed to fast (fasten? Not sure), they dropped the spices and ate their stuff raw.