Behold!

[Anonymous No.15578809]

The future of farming!

[Anonymous No.15578816]

>>15578809
That's fine for bullshit like lettuce.

Try growing potatoes hydroponically.

[Anonymous No.15578829]

>>15578816
potatoes produce co2, WE don't want them anymore.

[Anonymous No.15578841]

>>15578816
They do, dipshit. And it's faster than conventional farming. Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.15578863]

>>15578816
>Try growing potatoes hydroponically.
This is literally something that they do in school projects; growing potatoes in a shallow glass of water. The reason why is because it's incredibly easy, I don't think you could have chosen a worse plant.

[Anonymous No.15578881]

>>15578809
Can't wait for it to be more commonplace so I stop getting cucked out of ethical nutrient enriched food.

[Anonymous No.15578892]

But what will happen to all the Mexicans

[Anonymous No.15578903]

>>15578863
Okay.

How about corn? Rice? Any fruit tree.... Wheat. Sugar cane...

[Anonymous No.15578904]

>>15578809
i assume there are significant downsides to this but they're being swept under the rug

[Anonymous No.15578918]

I find the concept of absolute control over produce absolutely erotic

[Anonymous No.15578959]

>>15578903
Do away with em all

[Anonymous No.15578979]

>>15578829
Don't plants need co2

[Anonymous No.15578984]

>>15578809
Nice try Dahir Insaat. I'm onto you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn30aKZERr8

[Anonymous No.15579026]

>indoors farming
expect produce prices to rise tenfold

[Anonymous No.15579061]

>>15578979
No, plants need c2o. Co2 is lethal

[Anonymous No.15579069]

>>15578903
>just listing a bunch of random shit in the hopes that one of them will stick
dumb as fuck

[Anonymous No.15579083]

>>15579026
It won't it will create more jobs, and more innovation. Eventually it will all be automated.

[Anonymous No.15579085]

>COVID empties out office buildings
>build indoor farms in them
>cut on space while allowing fresh produce to be delivered at your doorstep
Good

[Anonymous No.15579157]

>>15578903
Rice is literally knee deep in water.

Shit anon, you're dumb as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15579168]

>>15578809
How about harvesting?

[Anonymous No.15579198]

>>15579083
>it will create more jobs
>it will all be automated
Liberals are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.15579203]

>>15578809
Where are the nutrients coming from?

Now don' t tell me you enslave poor little fish to shit in your veggies.

Bad libshitz!

[Anonymous No.15579251]

>>15579198
>automation is bad

I bet you're the type who wants to tip over the self checkout kiosks right?

If you can't understand or grasp the future potential for an automated world, you'll be stuck in the victim-hood conservative mindset and still be looking for shit jobs. While nations that adopt such technology will be giving food out for basically free.

[Anonymous No.15579268]

>>15578809
I don't object to hydroponics if it's capable of producing nutrient dense food, at least compared to normal means of production, but I see in it another facet of our tendency of isolation and artificial ways of life.

[Anonymous No.15579273]

>>15579268
Ok boomer

[Anonymous No.15579296]

In theory vertical farming via hydroponics would be based, because it would dramatically decrease the use of land and resources while also potentially resulting in higher yields.
In practice I don't know if it's actually feasible in the way that they want it to be.

[Anonymous No.15579309]

>>15579273
Okay, zoomer.

[Anonymous No.15579337]

>>15579251
He didn’t say automation is bad, you’re literally shadow boxing. He’s calling you retarded for thinking “it will be automated” whatever that even means. “It” won’t. The reason you’re retarded is because you think automation will take over the farming industry, when in the objective reality that we all live in, farming has already been as automated as it can possibly be for many decades now. Maybe one day when we have super sentient robots then farming could be “fully” automated(still not really full automated). But we don’t have that now. What we have are purpose built machines that serve extremely specific tasks on an industrial scale. Of which, need to serviced on a daily basis and the vast majority of times require various forms of human labor. You wouldn’t understand any of this because you’ve never done any work of the sort. You’re the type of person who wants to “seize the means of production,” despite having never stepped foot in any industrial factory, let alone your daddy’s garage. Subsequently, you have a wildly skewed view of production processes.

[Anonymous No.15579344]

>>15579337
Hydroponic farming isn't the same as traditional farming. In OPs pic I can see several potentials for an automated system. It's not very hard.

[Anonymous No.15579348]

>>15579273
spiteful tranny

[Anonymous No.15579382]

>>15578904
Resource usage for one. And while it allows to grow produce in hermetically sealed rooms under strict control, it also requires strictly controlled produce. One slip up could mean the loss of all the crops due to infection.

The downsides are pretty significant if you consider that a normal plant is largely fine with space, sunlight and water. Hydroponics require plastics, metals and electricity.

[Anonymous No.15579386]

>>15579344
>hydro/not hydro
Doesn’t make a difference, also hydro doesn’t scale effectively
>I can see several potentials for an automated system
We get it kid you’ve got a bachelors in engineering like everyone else 21-35. This is more shadow boxing, literally not one said things can’t be automated. They already have been. The process of farming food, not matter how it’s done, will never be “fully automated” and will always inherently necessitate human labor, and quite a bit of it for the time being. E.g What do you think happens when the automated purpose built machine breaks down 7 times per day? You think there’s some kind of purpose built machine that fixes the purpose built machine? There’s not. Even if you build one, you’re getting extremely complex and this has to be incorporated into the entire process, at this point god forbid any minor hitch in the system as we would be building a massively expensive deck of cards. There’s just too many problems that our current and foreseeable technology is incapable of in order to produce food on a massive scale. At a certain point automation becomes not only currently impossible, but a diminishing return as well in terms of both profit and sheer amount of food produced.

[Anonymous No.15579399]

>>15578816
>bullshit like lettuce
Now this is an American post

[Anonymous No.15579418]

>>15579399
>thinking leafy greens are good for you
Now this is a retarded post

[Anonymous No.15579451]

>>15578809
Good. Dirt is yucky :P

[Anonymous No.15579455]

>>15579344
You're so fucking dumb

[Anonymous No.15579603]

>>15578829
>potatoes produce CO2
We know you do, you fucking retard, so go fucking die already you genetic miscarriage
>>15579026
>>15579083
>it will temporarily boost the economy before becoming ultimately too expensive and crashing the economy further into the dumpster fire it already is
Zoomers are following in the boomer path better than I thought
>>15579268
It won’t. It’ll basically be slightly flavored water. Tomatoes are already this bad, cucumbers, celery, even many tree fruit are losing their nutrients because we need them to be massively overgrown and flush with water, for profit.
>>15579296
In theory, human beings not being part of an international trend that involves turning specific regions into extremely population-dense food deserts is a good idea.
>>15579382
B-but goyim!!! Over-producing and over-buying manufactured goods is what keeps the world economy running!!! Who needs silly old dirt to grow your plants, we have the finest in plant-growing materials ™ for all your organic™ growing needs!

[Anonymous No.15579663]

>>15579083
Are you retarded? If automation comes about then hundreds of farmers will be rendered obsolete and they will be laid off.
>>15579251
Oh I see you are a retard. Ignoring your schizophrenic ad hominems, how many employees do you see at your local Walmart? Not many because those cashiers were all laid off thanks to those automated kiosks.
>giving food for basically free
I hope this is just bait.

[Anonymous No.15579669]

>>15578809
I was thinking of applying for a PM job for one of these various vertical farming companies desu it looks cyberpunk as shit

[Anonymous No.15579680]

>>15579386
>>15579663
>>15579455
It's called thinking forward you boomer retards. People lose their jobs all the fucking time. Economics isn't a static or stagnant set of principles.

How delusional are you? You probably voted for Trump hoping jobs would come back, they aren't. And new ones will come, and new jobs will build a newer economy. That's how it works, life sucks, stop trying to think in the short term
>BUT MUH JERBS! JERBS JERBS JOBS!

Automation has already rendered millions of jobs useless you think it's just gonna stop one day to give some retarded fly over his dumb manufacturing or farming job back?

[Anonymous No.15579707]

>>15579386
Of course there will be jobs to maintain the machines. Is that your best argument? You are making up dumb obvious points. The bulk of jobs can be done by robots.
Look at the tool and die, CNC, metal fabrication world, it's become extremely automated, are we all living in economic turmoil because we can now pump out massive amounts of machined and welded parts? No, it's made them cheaper and more accessible.

[Anonymous No.15579708]

>>15579669
>desu it looks cyberpunk as shit
You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.15579710]

>>15579399
Leafy greens do not a diet make

[Anonymous No.15579712]

>>15579710
shut up boomernazi

[Anonymous No.15579714]

>>15579680
You're original post said that automation would create more jobs but now you're saying that millions are losing jobs thanks to automation.
>but new jobs will be created
Like what? Jobs that need a high skill set to do like engineering and IT? Are you also telling people on the street to just learn to code?

[Anonymous No.15579726]

>>15579669
But there are no bugs in these halls?

[Anonymous No.15579728]

>>15578809
Wow that could feed one person for a few days

[Anonymous No.15579744]

>>15579714
It will create lots of jobs in the short term, and alleviate economic pressures in the long term, prices for food will drop, people will work less, or work on something more meaningful to the growing economy. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
A hundred years ago people were still working in dangerous factories for almost nothing. Now days factories pay livable wages and pump out ten fold product.
That's how capitalism works, it builds better and more efficient capital upon old and outdated, including the labor market.

[Anonymous No.15579745]

>>15579728
>t. Very Hungry Caterpillar

[Anonymous No.15579776]

>>15579157
Watch the video on youtube of the guy down south spearing some pigs in a rice paddy. I'm about to go to sleep and to lazy to find it

[Anonymous No.15579797]

>>15579680
It removes low-tier jobs and the only possible replacement are med-tier to high-tier jobs in much lower quantities or else it wouldn’t be economically feasible.

It quite literally puts thousands out of work and replaces them with hundreds. The thousands get hungry eventually, and the hundreds don’t like sharing. Welcome to how to start a revolution: French style.
>>15579744
>food prices will drop
Rich people don’t want money anymore in this reality?

[Anonymous No.15579806]

>>15579344
Wasted digits. I always swear I will never see a bigger retard than I did the day before on any place online yet you are the top contender today. Flat earthers don't count.

[Anonymous No.15579808]

>>15579744
>it will create lots of jobs in the short term
People will lose lots of jobs in the short term, you have already admitted to that and you make it seem like a sacrifice that has to be made
>prices for food will drop
Other products that have become automated are still expensive because the companies are witholding the supply
>people will work less
because they'll be laid off while a few IT guys maintain the machines
>work on something more meaningful
when you take a break from work 60% of the time will be doing dumb shit like going on social media. This isn't Star Trek where nearly every minute off is spent being productive.
>people were working in dangerous factories for almost nothing
This is a false equivalence, there were no unions or OSHA back then to stop companies from giving their employees piss poor wages and unsafe work places.

[Anonymous No.15579818]

>>15579708
You first faggot. It looks like something out of blade runner, deal with it

[Anonymous No.15579830]

>>15579818
>blade runner,
miss me with that boomer shit

[Anonymous No.15579832]

>>15579806
You're an idiot.

>>15579797
Free markets correct what the 'rich' want. Money is almost meaningless in today's world, look at the ridiculous markets we live in now. Compare them to even just a few years ago.
Also, you're thinking in terms that rich people only want 'money', there's lots of rich people who became rich because of an initial good cause. Amazon on the surface is seen as nothing but a black hole of capital consumption, but in reality it's create thousands of jobs, driven an entire economy towards e-commerce, and made consumerism much more efficient.

You're brain on flip flopping liberal victomhood complex's cloud your views on future economies. A UBI isn't a far fetched idea either.

[Anonymous No.15579840]

>>15579808
Nah, times change. This is real life, not business 101 university class. Life isn't fair. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.15579846]

>>15579818
Blade Runner had a disgusting grey and brown color mixed with neon lights to mask how shitty the city looked. This looks more like advanced sci-fi because of how emotionless and slick everything looks.

[Anonymous No.15579849]

Yep you win tard of the day for me.

[Anonymous No.15579858]

>>15579832
> it's create thousands of jobs,
Jobs with piss-poor conditions, lack of humanity/dignity, and frequently cause injuries as they’re warehousing jobs that hire 5 foot tall women that weigh 120 lbs. bravo. They really did a great job.
>driven an entire economy towards e-commerce, and made consumerism much more efficient.
You act like either of those things are good. Being a lazy wastrel that clicks things to your house on a daily basis is absolutely retarded. The reason middle class and lower class stay at that class is because they can’t resist consumerism, while the rich on the other-hand tend to only get richer as their investments pay off and they don’t waste an absurd amount of money on a daily basis.

You really have a lot of faith in the rich, while most of the country recognizes them to be a net negative on the average person, so I guess you’re more optimistic than me. From what I’ve seen in the world, the rich (and even the upper middle class, and even the lower class if you consider “the hustle never ends”) will continuously and constantly exploit each other for as much economic gain as possible whenever possible. They do it through stock markets, they do it through housing, they do it through scams, they do it whatever fucking way they can because everybody wants money. There’s nowhere near as many charitable rich as there are greedy, and most celebrities/rich that give to literal “charities” know just as well as anyone else that 90% of that money is going to another rich person.

[Anonymous No.15579865]

>>15579840
You’re right, life isn’t fair. So why the fuck do you choose to believe that when jobs get automated the millions that lose those jobs won’t be told to go starve?

You’re seriously diluted with your own ideas to the point that you don’t realize they conflict. You’re retarded. Also, you’re probably 14 you fucking nigger faggot.

[Anonymous No.15579870]

>>15579707
I welcome shitty Chinese steel into our country. It will most kill cityfags anyway

[Anonymous No.15579876]

>>15579840
Uhhh what are you saying no to? Did you even read the post? Do you have nothing else to say other than "lol life isn't fair"?

[Anonymous No.15579888]

>>15579712
Okay go eat only lettuce for the rest of your life

[Anonymous No.15579904]

>>15579745
Well maybe a week if the person was sedentary

[Anonymous No.15579924]

>>15579744
>people will work on something more meaningful than producing food
Anon...

[Anonymous No.15579934]

>>15579846
I think he means the new bladerunner

[Anonymous No.15579938]

>>15578809
>>15578863
>>15579157
Now we just need to do it in SPACE and Mars.

[Anonymous No.15579953]

>>15579858
True. If you ever want to donate to charity look at where the money is really going to before you chip in

[Anonymous No.15580105]

>>15579418
they ARE good for you
I bet you shit once a fortnight

[Anonymous No.15580178]

>>15579203
they manually add them to the water. you can buy nutritients specifically for hydroponic growing.

[Anonymous No.15580268]

>>15579858
And your solution? Because the solution i have you won't like I guarantee it.

But the reality is you either grow with the economy or you sink. It's that simple, wealthy and rich people will exists whether you like it or not. Automaton is coming, and will dominate the work force soon. It doesnt matter how much we hate or judge rich people that's human nature, the system will always have people left in the dust to live in dire situations.

Automation can alleviate such conditions tied with the right economic and political climate. But rich and powerful will still exist.

[Anonymous No.15580278]

>>15579865
Such a hyperbole. No one is telling people to go starve, youre just painting the doom and gloom. Solutions will be made to keep everyone afloat. The current economic system thrives off human labor, it won't be the case in an automated world. That's the kind of forward thinking we need, to grow with it instead of fearing it.

[Anonymous No.15580306]

>>15580268
>>15580278
These are just empty PR phrases.

[Anonymous No.15580311]

>>15578984
Why his videos have so many views and so few comments?

[Anonymous No.15580328]

>>15578984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9UufzGgYQ

What the fuck are these vids?

[Anonymous No.15580333]

>>15580178
Nutrients don't spawn in a warehouse ready for you to buy.

[Anonymous No.15580344]

>>15580328
in russia i was hydroponics engineer scientist, in america i drive cab. that's why i stay in america.

[Anonymous No.15580352]

>>15580278
>automated world
lel, the company I work for spends 3 months automating a fucking Excel report. the automated world is never coming.

[Anonymous No.15580356]

>>15580344
Dahir İnşaat[1][2] (Turkish for "Dahir Construction"), often written without Turkish letters as Dahir Insaat, is a company founded in Istanbul by Russian engineer and inventor Dahir Kurmanbievich Semenov (Russian: Дaхиp Кypмaнбиeвич Ceмeнoв[3]). It is known for its futuristic design concepts, including concepts for large quadcopters, automation, and prefabrication. The designs are generally dismissed as wildly impractical, but the animated videos featuring them have frequently gone viral on the internet.[4][5][6][7] Semenov has been compared to prolific inventor Buckminster Fuller.[8]

One of Dahir Insaat's designs is for a bed that becomes a "fortress" in an earthquake. Critics have described it as a claustrophobic coffin.[9]

Another design is for an aerial train. Designers say it could travel at 400 mph with electricity supplied by a tether that is linked to an electrified rail. This rail runs on the ground between stations.[8]

The firm's other designs include a drive-thru supermarket which would literally be driven through[10] and a gyroscopic transport vehicle that would move above traffic.[11] A video proposal for a pothole filling machine was also produced by the Turkish engineering company, while U.S. company Patch Management in Fairless Hills near Philadelphia has already been producing and selling this type of machine called the Pothole Killer.[12]

Well this is weird

[Anonymous No.15580446]

>>15580352
You want instant gratification? Typical.
>waaahhh I can't wait for automation for my niche specific job to become stream lined it will never happen.

Said every entry level manufacturing job ten years ago. Now look at them.

[Anonymous No.15581113]

>>15579603
Nutrient void crops are fake vegan propaganda cherry picked

[Anonymous No.15581126]

>>15578809

[Anonymous No.15581128]

>>15578809
It may be efficient but it tastes like shit/nothing. Fuck flavorless dutch hydroponic vegetables/herbs. I'd rather go get shit from an arab market with dirt on it, at least it tastes like something.

[Anonymous No.15581156]

>>15581128
>why yes I do enjoy the taste of vegetables, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.15581628]

>>15580356
Every now and then I have horrible invasive thoughts and nightmares about the drive market.

[Anonymous No.15582028]

>>15580268
>>15580278
What is your solution, retard? That 10% of the people who maintain automation and business serve the rest of the world that sits on their ass and does nothing? What makes you so sure that the working 10% is gonna give a fuck about the 90%?

You’re literally making an assumption that somehow the world will just work for us. Someone has to supply power. Someone has to mine resources. Someone has to create the technologies to do so. No matter what, this is far limited compared to the need for daily, menial jobs. Do you think the 10% of people making all the money in these industries are just going to feed and clothe the rest of the population out of the goodness of their hearts? You don’t have any solutions. You just think we can “grow and evolve” with the world around us, but that’s not now and not ever how humanity has worked. Through ever technological boom, the older generation has had to be drug through the gates kicking and screaming, and occasionally while decapitating all of the people at the top.

You are seriously under-educated for how smart you think you are. It’s obvious you’re a /pol/ reject that everyone ignores because you’re too infantile to bother with.

[Anonymous No.15582044]

>>15580278
>>15580268
You know what else, faggot? Where does the energy to run all these machines come from? Do we just make magic energy from thin air?

We have to mine coal, oil, natural gas, even radioactive materials to produce energy. The world is turning towards renewable energy, which (for automating an entire fucking city) is absolutely not viable. It would take a state the size of Rhode Island to power Las Vegas with solar, and you think we can just automate every last fucking thing every fucking where?

We are supposed to be moving to a greener future, not turning our environmental degradation factor to turbo mode by turning everything into a robot. Conservation of electricity and robotics do not mix. You’re such a fucking delusional fucking cunt because you haven’t logically thought about this from a single angle other than:
>maybe if we automate everything than one day when I’m old enough I can sit on my ass collect checks and not have a job
Which, if that’s what you want, there’s plenty of niggers doing it all over the country and you’re absolutely free to join them you fucking cunt. McFuckingKillYourself you absolute fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.15582076]

>>15582044
>>15582028
I'm way to high for this level of samefag projection lmao dude, energy isnt an issue, and neither is thinking people will just sit around doing fuck all if we allow a certain level of automation. Humans by nature will be productive one way or another.

[Anonymous No.15582180]

>>15580278
>Solutions will be made to keep everyone afloat
There is no potential benefit to be made out of this concept so no one would be willing to allocate resources for it.

[Anonymous No.15582892]

>>15582076
>humans by nature will be productive one way or another
Are you retarded? Tell me, are you actually retarded? Do you know how many e-beggars exist? Not to mention literal beggars? People who live off of welfare?
Not only this, think about how many fat people exist in wealthier countries. They don’t have any obligation to anyone to exercise, and so they don’t. Do these people have drive? Motivation? Are they going out of their way to be productive with their time?

You live in an idealized fantasy realm. Truthfully you must be underaged.

[Anonymous No.15582907]

>>15579061

[Anonymous No.15583243]

>>15580333
Of course not, they are manually synthesized with accordingly with their respective components

[Anonymous No.15583253]

>>15578979
they NEED to shit it out in our ozone

[Anonymous No.15583356]

>>15579663
Automation is the Great Filter

[Anonymous No.15583377]

>>15579744
>better
>more efficient
What makes you think these are equivalent?

[Anonymous No.15583401]

>>15578809
Have fun paying your electricity bill.

[Anonymous No.15583403]

>>15578809
YES! Green lettuce for a whole week!

Whoozers and leapin' lizards!

[Anonymous No.15584554]

>>15582892
That's life man. Been that way for thousands of years. Some people are productive, some are lazy assholes.

That's why we have rich and poor.

[Anonymous No.15584602]

>>15578809
>giving up natural farming so you can be a slave to big greenhouse
Idk bro doesnt sound fun. Do they give the plants nutrient water or something? Iirc plants absorb nutrients n stuff from the soil which is what makes them have nutrients n stuff in em

[Anonymous No.15584649]

>>15584554
You've sound like you've gone off your meds by missing the point of every post replying to you

[Anonymous No.15584675]

>>15582907
Well, no shit. Optimal CO2 concentration for plants is 0.5% while the air only contains 0.04%.

[Anonymous No.15584683]

>>15578841
Flyover brains aren't smart enough to understand why their economy is about to be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.15584799]

>>15584649
No. I think you have. Life doesn't just work, people arent pawns on a chessboard that can be moved around.

[Anonymous No.15584888]

>>15581128
Supremely based.

[Anonymous No.15585285]

>>15579934
Then the Reddit accusation stands.

[Anonymous No.15585425]

>>15579157
>Rice is literally knee deep in water.
The reason why is to prevent weeds from growing, it's not for the rice itself.

[Anonymous No.15585457]

>>15578816
this dumb nigger hasnt seen the Martian

[Anonymous No.15585594]

>>15581126
>>15581156
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY!!!!!!

I POSTED THE MEME IM THE BIG BRAIN LOOK MOMMY!!

[Anonymous No.15585759]

>>15579268
No one forces people to stay isolated. It is each one's own choice. There's no reason to dump people's own stupid life choices on the no-automation bandwagon.

[Anonymous No.15585776]

>>15579399
Brazilian, actually.

And lettuce IS bullshit.

Tastes like fucking nothing.

Waste of space.

Give me some arugula or whatever with some FLAVOUR!!

[Anonymous No.15585902]

>>15579083
>>15579251
>>15579344
>>15579680
>>15579744
>>15579832
>>15579840
>>15580268
>>15582076
>>15584554
>>15584799
>being this mentally ill
This, here, is why you don’t put your kids in public education. This is why you don’t send your kids off to some university where they’ll be brainwashed. This, right here, is why you support your kids and educate them and help them to be the person they were meant to be.

This man was clearly not guided through life by anyone, and the first “people” to “educate” him were “woke” people on Twitter telling him that we can just get rid of all jobs and not exterminate 90% of the population at the same time.
Think about it. He’s been brainwashed into thinking “progress” is literally throwing the value of humanity down the drain. His idea of “progress” is to increase power consumption in the US exponentially, and yet “forward-thinkers” are supposed to conserve the environment. This person can NOT think. He is subject to doublethink, and his brain isn’t able to get out of the loop.

I mean, just read this shit. Every time he gets argued into a corner, which is quite easy as he’s almost literally retarded, he just responds with a non-sequitur or ad hominem. There are no thoughts in this man, just parroted ideas that have been criss-crossed together into an unfathomable web of lies.

[Anonymous No.15585932]

>>15578809
All that sterile produce. Imagine the diseases we'll see in the cominng years from a lack of a divere but microbiome.

[Anonymous No.15586135]

>>15579726
People ate the bugs.

[Anonymous No.15586141]

>>15578809
YOU VILL EAT ZA BUGS

[Anonymous No.15587292]

>>15584602
very true.
Indoor hydroponic growing is absolutely backwards and impractical. We should ideally be moving towards a small scale permacultural system of land use. This means working with nature and taking advantage of the free resources it provides. Most importantly free solar power, free minerals and free water.
When you grow indoors you have to pay for all of those things. Why in God's name would anyone want to pay for artificial sunlight when the sun is giving it away? Why would you want to supplement your plant's nutrients with synthetic additives instead of cultivate soil bacteria that will harness the already available inorganic compounds present in every square inch of soil on this plant? I mean, we all know that taking a multivitamin does not deliver the full spectrum of micronutrients a plant does (as in a carrot contains more than just "vitamin A/beta carotene") and the minerals inside of plants are more bioavailable than if a human were to take a vitamin supplement, the exact same principle applies to giving soil or in the case of hydroponics- water, a synthetic fertilizer rather than proper biologicals.

The idea of indoor growing is so backwards and unsustainable. I'm sure everyone will figure it out eventually. For now I'm just happy to be my own boss and farm diverse fruits and vegetables on a small acreage.

[Anonymous No.15587389]

>>15578903
Anon, you do not know as much about horticulture as you think you do.

[Anonymous No.15587418]

>>15579337
Farming could actually be more automated than it is currently. The reason why it's not is because that automation comes at a high cost in startup expenses and labor. We already have GPS/LPS guided tilling, furrowing, planting, irrigation, fertilizing, and harvesting capability requiring zero human interaction during operation. The reason why they're not more widespread is that those machines cost in the millions of dollars and require extensive setup. Of course, there are crops that need hand harvesting that you cannot automate, but for most grains and a lot of the hardier vegetables we're no where near peak mechanical efficiency. If you're trying to argue that we'll no longer need humans at all in farming you'd be correct, but that'd also be an argument in bad faith. To put it in perspective, Maine's blueberry harvest output increased by 80% between 2005 and 2015 while it's work force for that harvest decreased by 70% due to mechanization.

[Anonymous No.15587429]

>>15585902
Stfu progress involves suffering whether you like it or not even in a welfare state. You're deluded into thinking this neo - philosophy - free markets and capitalism will fix everything in a smooth manner. This is how fucking deluded Americans are.

[Anonymous No.15587567]

>>15578809
cool
Does it grow nuts? Grains?

How u grow squash without a medium?
What about apples?

[Anonymous No.15587592]

>>15587389
>>15579069
>>15579157
all these responses without any explanation on how to grow them on vertical farms is just one big cope.

[Anonymous No.15588702]

>>15587292
Do you actually make enough to sustain yourself or is this just a side project for fun?

[Anonymous No.15588945]

>>15585902
>Literally
>literally
Low IQ post, opinion discarded.
Want to try again?

[Anonymous No.15588949]

>>15588945
>nnnnoooo, you can't heckin use hyperbole and exaggeration!!!!

[Anonymous No.15588971]

>>15588949
>>nnnnoooo, you can't just heckin point out that im a pseud who uses the word literally incorrectly because i can't express myself properly usong the correct language!!!
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.15589000]

>>15588971
>noooooo words can't gain new meaning!!!!!!
Do you also speak old english?

[Anonymous No.15589001]

>>15588971
Only pseuds get triggered by people using the word "literally" figuratively.

[Anonymous No.15589016]

>>15585902
Faggots replying to you will be faggots. You're right

[Anonymous No.15589024]

>>15579399
>is devoid of nutrients
nothing personnel kid. You too poor to afford vegetables with actual nutritional value?

[Anonymous No.15589039]

>>15588702
You don't need much land to live off of your homegrown vegetables. My mom does it every spring and we eat fresh veggies all summer long. However it's a small garden so it's not possible to keep producing forever. I'm sure if she significantly extended it we could eat that stuff all year round

[Anonymous No.15589055]

>>15589001
>literally
>figuratively
Pick one

>>15589000
Dony9u call a chair a kettle and expect people to take you seriously?

[Anonymous No.15589060]

>>15578809
>make some kind of short corn plant
>layers and layers of corn

I for, one am, excited.

[Anonymous No.15589065]

>>15589060
placed those commas weird. blame the liquid corn I'm drinking.

[Anonymous No.15589069]

>>15589001
>literally
>figuratively
Pick one

>>15589000
Do you call a chair a kettle and expect people to take you seriously?

[Anonymous No.15589088]

>>15589069
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inflammable

[Anonymous No.15589100]

>>15588702
My mom and I (family farm) make a moderate amount, file taxes as self-employed, save receipts and have a lot of deductions. It's kind of beautifully sustainable. I make a poverty tier amount of money on paper, but eat top tier food and always have bartering objects to trade for things like chicken feed or carpentry work or locally roasted coffee.

This year we are planning to get an extra 50 chickens which will give us an extra $5000 for the season. Also want to start a tree/shrub/plant nursery which will also net a casual $2000 extra depending on how much of the walnut/hazelnut grove and fig tree cuttings we get potted up.

[Anonymous No.15589105]

>>15579399
It's not bullshit. You can't feed huge numbers of people efficiently with leafy green plants

[Anonymous No.15589110]

>>15579085
What would be better is to clear out suburbs and replace them with farms, as people can now work from anywhere, so they can live out in the country once we get internet everywhere

[Anonymous No.15589817]

>>15589088
>comparing the word "inflammable" to not using the word "literally" incorrectly.
Now you are just desperately clutching at straws (figuratively.)

[Anonymous No.15589827]

>>15587592
Isnt it you who is coping because you said something stupid in a topic you dont know shit about because technology bad?

[Anonymous No.15589831]

>>15589105
first worlders have higher standards than merely getting enough calories. Being 'fed' also entails getting a good amount of nutrients.
You can't do that with carb staples.

And no one suggests vertically farming carb staples.

[Anonymous No.15589882]

>>15578979
Yes so much so that an upswing in co2 helps them grow. Some parts of the world are greener than ever

[Anonymous No.15590616]

>>15589827
Where did I say technology is bad?
You are fishing because you don't have any valid arguments against the people who don't blindly support everything that looks like it came straight out of a sci fi as a sustainable solution.

Of course technology isn't bad, but some technology is better than others.

Tell me hot shot, how would you grow fruit and nut trees on a vertical farm?

[Anonymous No.15590629]

>>15590616
Sideways.

[Anonymous No.15590659]

>>15590629

[Anonymous No.15590670]

>>15579296
Another cool thing about this tech is that it allows farming to take place in climates that were previously unusable, like Greenland. Might be slightly more capital intensive than open air farming in Idaho, but it enables food security.

[Anonymous No.15590678]

>indoor farming
gross

[Anonymous No.15590720]

>>15578841
>faster
the price inflation too.Don't worry, when biden pass some of the anti CO2 laws those farms will close overnight.

[Anonymous No.15590742]

>>15588702
>direct had hominems when talking about society level behaviour
brain dead retard.

[Anonymous No.15590946]

>>15578809
They've actually got one of these set up just outside of the Hongshulin MRT/LRT station. There's also a small tank which sometimes has fish in it in front. Sometimes there's a guy hanging around it, I don't know whether he's guarding it or selling the lettuce.

[Anonymous No.15591039]

>>15589817
You are literally incorrect

[Anonymous No.15591042]

>>15590678
From what I have heard we have enough arable land for each man, woman, and child to have an acre. Which means a large family would have more acres.

Pretty neat, huh?

[Anonymous No.15591099]

>>15591042
Yeah, until you learn Bill Gates has been buying up farmland like crazy and invested in GMO companies like BayerMonsanto which sue organic farmers if their seeds drift into their land.

[Anonymous No.15591112]

>>15591099
Yeah its sad until I remember I own 400 acres of private land. Bill Gates can suck my cock. I wouldn't sell this beautiful property for any funny money.

[Anonymous No.15591175]

>>15578903
Nigga you can't grow a tree indoors, the lack of wind and weather forces acting upon them means their roots don't strengthen enough to eventually hold up their adult size and they collapse under themselves eventually.

[Anonymous No.15591212]

>>15591175
Also no one factors in the amount of plastic and electricity needed to power these places.
Instead of sun you need lights, even if it's solar powered it's still less sustainable and uses more resources.

Then with a roof you need water since the plants have no access to rain.

Also there is no fucking soil. A lot of these vertical farms use fucking bullshit paper towel mediums. A HUGE waste of recourses as opposed to using dirt.

Finally, OP's pic is growing fucking leafy greens. Any jackoff with a grow light and a sink can do this, and probably do it better if they learn how to do some basic composting.

You couldn't grow a tree indoors. Especially trees like walnut that take decades to start yielding at full production. People who talk about this future of farming shit have no idea how to grow anything and watch too much sci fi.

[Anonymous No.15591408]

>>15591099
>which sue organic farmers if their seeds drift into their land.
That's never happened. The last big Monsanto lawsuit was against a farmer who bought up soybeans from the local grain elevator to replant, and then sprayed the field with RoundUp to kill off all the ones that weren't GMO.

Funny, you'd think that you "muh Monsanto is de debbil!" types would want to lynch that farmer too. But then you might actually have to read the court ruling instead of just making shit up.

[Anonymous No.15591442]

>>15591408
It happens all the time, GMO shill. They even sued a seed cleaner for providing a service to organic farmers. You shills are so fucking pathetic, you pop up in every fucking thread that even mentions your garbage product that belongs in the trash. Go drink roundup, loser.

[Anonymous No.15591502]

>>15591442
Nice to see chem trails exist even in the utopia

[Anonymous No.15591897]

>>15587429
Yes thousands of people you know and love have to fucking die or else progress will never happen. Go out and start shootin, anon, it sounds like you have a good idea of which humans aren’t gonna make the cut.
>>15588945
The first time was well within bounds of hyperbolic use and the second time was LITERALLY using the word correctly you fucking faggot. Also, you should literally fucking kill yourself for being a tremendous faggot.

[Anonymous No.15591964]

>>15590629

[Anonymous No.15591990]

>>15578829
I'm NOT giving up my french fries!!
DEAL WITH IT

[Anonymous No.15591997]

>>15591502
its more like a contrail, if bad, nowhere as bad as a proper chemtrail

[Anonymous No.15592000]

>>15587592
why don't you explain why it is you think the random crops you are naming couldn't be grown in vertical farms? couldn't be because you have no idea how they work, could it?

[Anonymous No.15592101]

>>15578809

Yes, but don't tell California about this. And the cartel owned avocado farmers about this.

[Anonymous No.15592112]

>>15578904
they lack nutrients compared to the conventionally grown in the soil with a full spectrum of minerals

[Anonymous No.15592130]

>>15578829

The amount they produce vs what get's exchanged by the natural photosynthesis is negligible. I love meat don't get me wrong but plants make more sense to grow long term.

[Anonymous No.15592459]

>>15592000
The "random crops" need something called FOOD in order to grow. You can't just grow them in a paper towel medium like which is commonly used in vertical farming. You need a proper medium with nutrients. They also have something called ROOTS, their roots get INCREDBLY long and need to be long. This is why you cant grow apple trees in pots unless you are growing some stunted high maintenance bonsai shit.

I grow crops. I grow trees too. Taking away sun, rain, and soil would put me at a massive disadvantage.

What do you grow?

[Anonymous No.15593030]

>>15592459
hydro can also be done outdoors

[Anonymous No.15593034]

>>15590678
lmao i love how you goobers fetishize the manual labour lifestyle aesthetic. you spend all day bitching about your lives on a fucking anime forum, even if all this was built for you it would collapse under your leadership in under a month and you would probably off yourselves out of rage because you can't even post any dank fashwave memes about how it's actually the jews' fault. don't bother replying to this post, im going to bed anyway and i don't care what you have to say about it

[Anonymous No.15593136]

>>15591442
>It happens all the time, GMO shill.
Funny how you guys never manage to actually provide any cases showing it. Instead you just point to the asshole farmer who bought from the local grain elevator then replanted and sprayed with RoundUp, and say "SEE?!?!?? THOSE WERE REALLY HIS OWN SEEDS THAT GOT CROSS-POLLINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Repeating the lie doesn't make it true, any more than the Dems shrieking about "muh Russian Collusion!" was anything other than Dem lies.

[Anonymous No.15593151]

>>15593030
Well sure, it can be, but that's like fornicating on a freeway. You have to deal with insects and evaporation losses, or in the analogy, smog and getting run over by trucks.

[Anonymous No.15593676]

>>15579157
>Rice is literally knee deep in water.
rice can be grown without that much water if there's adequate ground covering to prevent the soil from drying out and other plants from overtaking the rice.

[Anonymous No.15593748]

the problem is that you burn so much energy to keep the green house and the fertilizer ingredients that it make growing plants a CO2 generating power plant, instead of a way to assimilate it back to solid matter. Nederlands are one of the most polluting country in Europe because of that shit.

[Anonymous No.15593786]

>>15578809
Kek that was my final highschool project
We inherited from other seniors that fucked up, we never got it to work either
To be fair I did nothing but passed because failing was a death sentence to me so the professor felt sorry for me, I did spend the last couple of years on so much prescription drugs I would randomly pass out tho and I caught the professor crying after school and I was nice to him so I kind of earned it

[Anonymous No.15594190]

>>15593030
>>15593030
The problem with vertical farming and hydroponics is that while yes, it is space efficient, it is HIGHLY recourse intensive. So on a mass scale it simply is not sustainable.

Incentivizing more people to have polyculture regenerative market gardens would have more benefit to the environment than delving even deeper into recourse intensive technology.

[Anonymous No.15594196]

>>15594190
you get it

[Anonymous No.15594249]

>>15578892
They will go back.

[Anonymous No.15595487]

>>15593136
>literally citing GMO shill propaganda
>wonders why nobody wastes time arguing with them
Drink roundup.