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How much money do you need to start your own pizzeria?

>> No.15201730

>>15201715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqEC66E7hk

>> No.15201734

>>15201715
take this over to >>/biz/ nigga we know how to cook not how to run a business lmao

>> No.15201739

>>15201715
hi anon, entrepreneur consultant and hobbiest cu/ck/ here, please tell me where you live and i'll give you a quote within 5 minutes

>> No.15201740

>>15201734
>we know how to cook
thanks for the hearty guffaw

>> No.15201764

At least $100.

>> No.15201768

>>15201715

We only know fast food aspects too bad

>> No.15201774

somewhere in the realm of $1 to $1 billion.

>> No.15201780

>>15201715
pizza ovens are expensive af.
bout three fiddy

>> No.15201899

>>15201715
I would guess 100k but you can get most of it as a loan, so you need like 20k cash and a real business plan and maybe a suit to go beg Elijah at the bank

>> No.15201946

>>15201734
Not only does /ck/ not know how to cook, but the people they watch and idolize don't know how to cook

>> No.15202080

>>15201899
Nah, Mordecai won't loan unless you sign a contract to only use Israeli Kosher imports.

>> No.15202193

>>15201715
If it's a small 2 man shop and you went with used equipment you could pull it off for about $40k but payroll would suck until you got your feet off the ground

>> No.15202200

>>15202080
Kosher pizza could work

>> No.15202225

>>15202200
t. Mosha ben Eisen Liebowitz

>> No.15202296

>>15201715
>what state
>what city
>what part of town
>what square footage
>what kind of service? fast or dine in with lots of seating
>how big of a menu
>new or used equipment
>how much staff
>how do you plan to market

tldr youre a fucking idiot

>> No.15202338

>>15201734
>>15201740
>>15201946
I'm a highly-skilled cook with knowledge of how to make virtually any dish you could imagine. Just because you're a tastelet who doesn't cook doesn't mean everyone here is.

>> No.15202547

>>15202296
Based /biz/bro! How much did you lose today on the latest scam?

>> No.15202576

>>15201715
used commercial pizza ovens cost around $20k, median cost of opening a restaurant is $3k per seat. best hope is probably to do a food truck instead and then partner with landlords to park them outside business towers at lunch.

>> No.15202599

>>15202547
not that anon but i flipped a pizzeria for 90k last november (2019)
dude who bought it ran it to the ground before covid even hit

>> No.15202616

>>15202599
Since you sold it and it won't hurt you to divulge, what was your dough and sauce recipe since it sounds like you hit a home run?

>> No.15202633

>>15202616
i did not start the business and had no involvement in day to day activities aside from marketing and social media, i only owned it for a month
they had good quality which is what appealed to me for the flip, i just ran a marketing & social media campaign for a month and found another buyer

>> No.15202661

>>15201715
You just need enough to open a pizza shop

>> No.15203053

>>15202547
ive never been to /biz/ but i do own a few nutrition shops on the west coast.

i dont even get the meme response. these are basic questions when starting any concept regardless of the industry. The fact that OP asks such a broad question on a fast food board leads me to believe he or she hasnt put any more than 2 minutes of thinking into it.

Im also an idiot for responding so whatever

>> No.15203909

>>15202661
Ah ok thank you

>> No.15203933

>>15201715
i'd say 100k to 300k
you need some cash and credit to get a loan though

>> No.15203943

Why? You can get the same thing at a supermarkets freezer for a tiny fraction of the cost and cook it at home and not even have to go out or make a call.

>> No.15203967

>>15203943
have sex

>> No.15204593

Cheese is the most expensive ingredient.

>> No.15204679

>>15201715
about tree fiddy

>> No.15204691

>>15202296
yep hate these generic fucking questions on the site all the time

>> No.15204700

>>15201715
Honestly?
$40,000 (low end estimate)
Most of the money goes into equipment, real estate, and marketing

it has nothing to do with taste or skill and everything to do with ability to sell pizza

if you started now, you could sell frozen pizzas and expand into a typical pizzeria

>> No.15204706

>>15202338
just because you're not a tastelet, doesn't mean half of the threads now are about food youtubers and celebrities or fast food

>> No.15204707

>>15201780
I hear the germans built cheap, incredibly durable ovens en mass. maybe you can get one cheap?

>> No.15204719

>>15203053
>she
There are no women here.

>> No.15204983

>>15201739
St george utah area. Not op just curious.

>> No.15204987

>>15201734
>We know how to cook
L M A O

>> No.15205041
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>>15202576
>used commercial pizza ovens cost around $20k
lol no

>> No.15205307

>>15201715
6 million Jews died in the holocaust and you're talking about blatantly antisemitic things here. It defies belief.

What of my poor grandmother and her sisters? Led into the gas chamber nude. That's the result of your hatred.

>> No.15206125

>>15202296
Even more important, how much traffic do you get going past the place? Opening in a cheap space with no traffic (foot or vehicle) is just going to bleed you slowly. Opening a slices-for-lunch place in the middle of a major business center where everyone walks past and rent seems ridiculously high, do the numbers first, but you'll probably make a fortune.

Opening right next to a big university dorm complex that inexplicably doesn't have any pizzerias in the area because ridiculous hypotheticals? You'll be a multimillionaire in a month.

>>15202576
>used commercial pizza ovens cost around $20k,

You can make your own out of bricks and some heating elements. Looks "authentic pizzeria from Napoli", costs a thousand at most.

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>>15201715
>How much money do you need to start your own pizzeria?
My grandfather started a pizzaria with 12 dollars and a firm handshake.
Just be yourself, be confident , and grab them by the proverbial pussy

>> No.15206568

You could drop ship pizzas for like 35 a month entry fee
Make and ship your own for maybe 50 starting out
Food truck you could rent and do starting at around 2500 I think.
Brick and mortar about 15-20k

>> No.15206617

Based on franchise prospectus for take and bake; they're suggesting around $300k to start playing.
Buildout and equipment will be more for cooked pizzas, more yet for delivery.

If you don't franchise, you save on franchise fees, but get to figure out your own supply chain. Sysco/PFG is going to slap you around because you're not big enough to get economy of scale.

>> No.15207581

>>15206617
>take and bake; they're suggesting around $300k to start playing.
them niggas dont even gots pizza oven

>> No.15207620

>>15201715
I assume it would heavily depend on where you live

>> No.15207624

>>15206617
>franchise pizza
don't

>> No.15207901

>>15207581
>dont even gots pizza oven
Yeah, but they've got a pretty nice industrial stand mixer, and those bastards aren't cheap either.

You're saving on the pizza oven and hood, plus opening yourself up to the lucrative EBT consumer base.

>>15207624
>don't
Completely fair assessment.
You wouldn't want to benefit from national advertising campaigns or volume supplier discounts, after all.
Live or die by your own abilities, like a real man.
They don't know anything about pizza or the pizza business, they just want your franchise fee and a cut of revenue.

>> No.15207958

>>15207901
>lucrative EBT consumer base.
wat

>> No.15208120

>>15207901
Why even open a restaurant if all you want to do is make disgusting barely digestible profit-maxed slob

>> No.15208126

>>15208120
So i can buy a house and raise a family

>> No.15208223

>>15201715
about tree fiddy

>> No.15208428

>>15207624
what aboot shakeys

>> No.15208569

>>15206125
>You can make your own out of bricks and some heating elements. Looks "authentic pizzeria from Napoli", costs a thousand at most.
Lol, no. To build one big enough for a restaurant according to code (that means a professional craftsman) will be 5 figures. I built a small one in my backyard myself and it cost @$600 just for materials. Fire brick and mortar capable of withstanding 1200F+ temperatures are not cheap.

>> No.15208572

Stay home stay safe
DON'T RISK YOUR LIFE AND EVERYONE ELSE'S LIFE BY STEPPING OUTSIDE

>> No.15208657

>>15201715
If your mindset is that you just need an amount X and you're good to go then you are not ready to run a business. You need to have a strict business plan for ~2 years at least, have all your expenses figured out, have plan for scaling up and down to adjust to market. Running a business is not easy and running a restaurant is especially hard (I mean it was, now it's impossible). Most restaurants don't last more than a few months because their owners don't do their homework beforehand.

>> No.15208669

Going to cost you about $1m so probably around 100k

>> No.15208775

>>15208569
>according to code
Those codes are different everywhere , where I live there would not be a pizza oven code and you would have to work it out with your inspector. If you did good work or hired someone that did good work that passed is cursory inspection , you would be fine.

>> No.15208988

>>15202599
how do you flip a business? i always wonder how small business sell. is it word of mouth or are there listings??

>> No.15208997

>>15208775
So iow, where you live you can pay off inspectors to auto pass you. How much does that cost?

>> No.15209000

>>15201715
there's was a rich MBA student at Penn on barstool who was slanging top tier pizza out of his Philly apartment with just an electric oven and one of those bricks. he was making the sauce and fermenting the dough for a few days-- but everything was from the local whole foods. pornoy was about to give him an 8.1 which is top tier in the nation pie

>> No.15209203

>>15208988
you get a crane and pick it up and turn it so the door faces the other way

>> No.15209230

>>15208997
No, where I live, and in most places, building inspectors have a lot of discretion and no one has any sort of license for things like building pizza ovens.
Our code book is fairly thin and manageable
I am sure in NYC or California the codes are fucking brutal and enforcement a bitch

>> No.15210029

>>15201715
enough to buy a portal pizza oven and a pick up truck to put it in the back. Then you set up road side pizza

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>>15210029
>portal pizza oven

>> No.15210700

>>15201734
/biz/ doesn't know a damn thing about running a business

>>15201715
I'm a tax accountant. I don't do much small business work at my current firm. Running a restaurant is hard as hell. Very few of them make it, and even fewer make significant money from it.

>> No.15210701

>>15209203
I thought shoplifting was illegal

>> No.15210736

>>15202193
There's all sorts of shit you have to pay for besides rent and outfitting the restaurant

>multiple kinds of insurance
>local restaurant and business licenses
>Accounting
>Advertising
>trash hauling
>utilities


>>15208988
There are business brokers who specialize in business sales, but word of mouth or selling to existing employees is a thing too. Small businesses can be a bitch to sell, and a lot of people who think they're going to retire by selling their small business get a lot less than they expected.

>> No.15210807

>>15210701
Heh

>> No.15210833

>>15207958
>EBTwat
Take and bake pizzas are not hot food, ready to eat.
Unlike other restaurant models, people can pay with food stamps in many areas.
Tired single parent, no energy to cook, no cash for takeout chicken until Friday, $14 left on the foodstamp card... captive consumer base.

>> No.15210842

>>15209230
>no one has any sort of license for things like building pizza ovens
I have a feeling a brick pizza oven is going to look a lot like a brick fireplace to an insurance agent, fire marshall or building inspector.
They'll likely have some guidelines.

>> No.15211807

>>15209230
>>15209000
>pizza out of his Philly apartment with just an electric oven
Must be nice. I looked into doing a sidewalk food thing in Illinois and the laws said I had to have a "professional kitchen" that was inspected and certified and all that shit.

A restaurant I liked burned down (stupid tenant in an upstairs apartment set the whole building on fire with candles left burning while she went to classes) and the owner said the same, no way he could operate catering or anything else without renting a licensed kitchen facility.

My father ran a business (now destroyed thanks to the shutdowns) and was always bitching about the annual "heater inspection" the county pulled. Some asshole would drop by, count the number of industrial heaters, and tell him he owed $2500 per unit for the "inspection", which was literally just counting them. Yay Illinois.

>>15208657
I know one that lasted less than a week. Guy picked a shitty location with no nearby parking and figured people would just magic themselves to his door. Zero customers in the entire week of operation, was already permaclosed when I made it there on the second Saturday. (First Saturday was the grand opening.)

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>>15201734
>we know how to cook
Oh, my sweet summer child

>> No.15211995

bump

>> No.15212028

>>15208126
Which you can do with a job outside of the hospitality sector that's not incredibly risky and requiring huge numbers of hours a week.

>> No.15212046

>>15211807
> Guy picked a shitty location with no nearby parking
There's an Italian Pizza and Deli place near me that has no access to parking, and is on a very busy main road that leads in and out of town so foot traffic is effectively zero and it's been there since 1985. I legitimately have no idea how it stays open because I barely ever see anyone in it. It's not mob either, the only mobsters we have are brown and slav.

>> No.15212051

>>15201715
>boxes
>phone app
>supplies for first week

Basically put it on internet, make a page on fb and start advertizing through friends and do home deliveries.
Now it's easier than ever to start your pizzeria and you don't even need to rent business space

>> No.15212097

>>15210736
Understood, but I know what used restaurant equipment costs and I have even seen a pizza shop's worth of equipment up for auction in the past. It really isn't that expensive to outfit an empty building with an oven and a stand mixer and some stuff. You could afford to outfit a building and run payroll for like 6 months on $40k, but you won't be paying for more than 2 employees.

>> No.15212123

>>15201734
>people come lurk on /ck/ because they are skilled cooks
kek

>> No.15212146

>>15204707
Turkish germans.
They basically mass produced it and spread across europe as "authentic pizzerias"